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  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,411
    > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > @Sean_F said:
    > > > @RobD said:
    > > > > @brokenwheel said:
    > > > > More and better rumours
    > > > > https://twitter.com/antcritchley/status/1132711107997704192
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Cons 33%, UKIP 30% and Labour 18% in 2014.
    > > >
    > > > 20% up on UKIP in 2014? :o
    > >
    > > That would imply that TBP are polling well over 40% nationally, which I find hard to believe.
    >
    > It could be that the Tories have been utterly destroyed in seats like this, though, while holding on to some more affluent voters in the country and places like the south.

    Cheshire is definitely affluent.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 20,972

    Not sure how late I can stay up, I'm sharing a hotel room with my mum and my brother who are both early sleepers!



    Now you know why I was whinging about the election count not being on Thursday!

    If the hotel has WiFi you can go down to the bar, buy a soft drink, then go sit at a table or the lounge and surf in peace.

  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    This is exciting again!

    Just for the lolz, renewed prediction:

    BXP - 39
    LDS - 33
    Green - 13
    Tories - 8
    Labour - 7
    CUK - minus 48, and Gavin “I’m GAVIN ESLAR!” Eslar to fingerstab himself to death
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,367
    Cannot go into specific details but it was pointed out to me that Labour have a lot of the following voters

    1) Really passionate Leavers

    2) Really passionate Remainers/Revokers

    Both have abandoned the party.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,843
    edited May 2019
    It's a significant election at a significant time, I would say, because of the confluence of the rise of the Brexit party, a rightwinger-dominated Tory leadership campaign, and the possibility of a Remainer vote upset to counteract the first two.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,038
    > @viewcode said:
    > Anyhoo, I was visiting rellies over the weekend and doing useful social things like helping my rellies garden, despite them having four working limbs and ability to afford a gardener. I took revenge by making them watch the season finale of season 2 of ST:Discovery twice, so balance was restored,... :)
    >
    > But as a result of this distraction I forgot that yesterday was International Towel Day. More info here.

    Yep. I celebrated with a few like minded friends.

    A triple nerd event.

    International Towel Day
    The 42nd anniversary of the Premier of Star Wars
    The Glorious 25th May from Terry Pratchett's Night Watch. - "Truth, Justice, Freedom, Reasonably-Priced Love and a Hard-Boiled Egg!"

    Next year's International Towel Day will be a special one as it falls on the 42nd anniversary of the first radio transmission of HHGTTG
  • eekeek Posts: 27,352
    > @Pulpstar said:
    > > @Sean_F said:
    >
    > > That would imply that TBP are polling well over 40% nationally, which I find hard to believe.
    >
    > If you were to go by twitter, the Brexit party should be around 10% or so !

    The problem with Social media is that everyone lives and reads their own echo chamber...
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited May 2019

    Anecdata for the count here in Abingdon, Oxfordshire - neck and neck between BXP and LD...but a lot of LD momentum with Layla in this neck of the woods, so probably no surprise.



    Not sure about turnout but the count finished some time ago and they have to hang around until 10pm...

    Neck and Neck? That's a 56.7% Remain area.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 50,526
    > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > It's a significant election at a significant time, I would say, because of the confluence of the rise of the Brexit party, a rightwinger-dominated Tory leadership campaign, and the possibility of a Remainer vote upset to counteract the first two.
    ----------

    If the new Tory leader can't form a government, this could be a prelude to a summer General Election dominated by Brexit.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,504
    Pulpstar said:

    > @ah009 said:

    > > @IanB2 said:

    > > Anyone who has £5000 sitting in an instant access account and is willing to trust BF with it doesn’t need £5

    >

    > Obviously I'm talking about all the geniuses on here who continually make money with their predictions, have over 5k sat in BF ready to withdraw. Might as well grab the free money. Should be paid out by this time tomorrow.



    It's a fair shout but I don't have 5 grand in Betfair at the moment.

    A true genius would have their balance already riding, not sitting on the sidelines!
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Finland

    84% counted

    National Coalition 20% (3 seats)
    Social Democrats 15.2% (2)
    Centre 14.9 (2)
    Greens 14.4 (2)
    True Finns 14.1 (2)
    Left 6.9 (1)
    People's Party Swedish People 6.2 (1)
    Christian Democrats 5.1 (0)
  • oldpoliticsoldpolitics Posts: 455
    edited May 2019
    > @bookseller said:
    > Anecdata for the count here in Abingdon, Oxfordshire - neck and neck between BXP and LD...but a lot of LD momentum with Layla in this neck of the woods, so probably no surprise.
    >
    > Not sure about turnout but the count finished some time ago and they have to hang around until 10pm...

    Neck and neck in a Remain area where the Lib Dems just won the council in a landslide? I'm starting to worry about my BXP<40% bet! Still don't see how it's mathematically possible, but I guess if Labour and Tories are in single figures. This suggests the higher turnout in Remain areas wasn't Remainers.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    You can’t use east Cheshire as a proper bellwether because in most nw seats Labour were not in third place .
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,541
    > @brokenwheel said:
    > Anecdata for the count here in Abingdon, Oxfordshire - neck and neck between BXP and LD...but a lot of LD momentum with Layla in this neck of the woods, so probably no surprise.
    >
    >
    >
    > Not sure about turnout but the count finished some time ago and they have to hang around until 10pm...
    >
    > Neck and Neck? That's a 56.7% remain area.

    lol :D
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,843
    edited May 2019
    > @Pulpstar said:
    > > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > > @Sean_F said:
    > > > > @RobD said:
    > > > > > @brokenwheel said:
    > > > > > More and better rumours
    > > > > > https://twitter.com/antcritchley/status/1132711107997704192
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Cons 33%, UKIP 30% and Labour 18% in 2014.
    > > > >
    > > > > 20% up on UKIP in 2014? :o
    > > >
    > > > That would imply that TBP are polling well over 40% nationally, which I find hard to believe.
    > >
    > > It could be that the Tories have been utterly destroyed in seats like this, though, while holding on to some more affluent voters in the country and places like the south.
    >
    > Cheshire is definitely affluent.

    I suppose it is ; but it's also more fluid and socially mobile. I'm thinking more of the most deep, dyed-in the wool Tory shires.
  • TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,683
    > @RobD said:
    > > @nico67 said:
    > > Regarding Cheshire east at the last EU elections it was close between UKIP and the Tories roughly 30% each with Labour in third with 18% .
    > >
    > > If the BP has taken 50% that’s not a surprise .
    >
    > Which would be enough to grab all three seats in the region. Ah, PR. :smiley:

    -------------
    Cheshire's in the NW....
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,184
    > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > @Sean_F said:
    > > > @RobD said:
    > > > > @brokenwheel said:
    > > > > More and better rumours
    > > > > https://twitter.com/antcritchley/status/1132711107997704192
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Cons 33%, UKIP 30% and Labour 18% in 2014.
    > > >
    > > > 20% up on UKIP in 2014? :o
    > >
    > > That would imply that TBP are polling well over 40% nationally, which I find hard to believe.
    >
    > It could be that the Tories have been utterly destroyed in seats like this, though, while holding on to some more affluent voters in the country and places like the south.

    Cheshire East is an affluent district.
  • John_McLeanJohn_McLean Posts: 71
    > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > It's a significant election at a significant time, I would say, because of the confluence of the rise of the Brexit party, a rightwinger-dominated Tory leadership campaign, and the possibility of a Remainer vote upset to counteract the first two.

    Bull. Brexit Party is being investigated on several different levels, most of which could mean that Farage could possibly see the inside of a prison cell for some considerable time. Probably get free milkshakes though.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    > @RobD said:
    > > @brokenwheel said:
    > > Anecdata for the count here in Abingdon, Oxfordshire - neck and neck between BXP and LD...but a lot of LD momentum with Layla in this neck of the woods, so probably no surprise.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Not sure about turnout but the count finished some time ago and they have to hang around until 10pm...
    > >
    > > Neck and Neck? That's a 56.7% remain area.
    >
    > lol :D

    Yes but the Remain vote is split . The BP can win even in Remain areas , it depends whether the split is more even between the pro EU parties .
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,497
    edited May 2019
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    @ydoethur
    > Who knows what the BP have Putin?
    The party was certainly built in a Russ.

    There was no time for Stalin?
    They had to steppe on it.

    That attempt at a pun is so far from our previous efforts it is Virgin on the ridiculous.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 20,972
    edited May 2019

    viewcode said:

    Anyhoo, I was visiting rellies over the weekend and doing useful social things like helping my rellies garden, despite them having four working limbs and ability to afford a gardener. I took revenge by making them watch the season finale of season 2 of ST:Discovery twice, so balance was restored,... :) But as a result of this distraction I forgot that yesterday was International Towel Day. More info here.

    Yep. I celebrated with a few like minded friends.

    A triple nerd event.

    International Towel Day
    The 42nd anniversary of the Premier of Star Wars
    The Glorious 25th May from Terry Pratchett's Night Watch. - "Truth, Justice, Freedom, Reasonably-Priced Love and a Hard-Boiled Egg!"

    Next year's International Towel Day will be a special one as it falls on the 42nd anniversary of the first radio transmission of HHGTTG
    May 25th is also Geek Pride Day, oddly enough. I don't know if it's a coincidence.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,843
    edited May 2019
    > @another_richard said:
    > > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > > @Sean_F said:
    > > > > @RobD said:
    > > > > > @brokenwheel said:
    > > > > > More and better rumours
    > > > > > https://twitter.com/antcritchley/status/1132711107997704192
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Cons 33%, UKIP 30% and Labour 18% in 2014.
    > > > >
    > > > > 20% up on UKIP in 2014? :o
    > > >
    > > > That would imply that TBP are polling well over 40% nationally, which I find hard to believe.
    > >
    > > It could be that the Tories have been utterly destroyed in seats like this, though, while holding on to some more affluent voters in the country and places like the south.
    >
    > Cheshire East is an affluent district.

    Yes ; but as mentioned below, not really the kind of affluent Tory rural heartland I was really meaning to mention.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 50,526
    The People's Vote organisation sounds like it cares more about the Labour party than about Remain.
  • booksellerbookseller Posts: 504
    > @brokenwheel said:
    > Anecdata for the count here in Abingdon, Oxfordshire - neck and neck between BXP and LD...but a lot of LD momentum with Layla in this neck of the woods, so probably no surprise.
    >
    >
    >
    > Not sure about turnout but the count finished some time ago and they have to hang around until 10pm...
    >
    > Neck and Neck? That's a 56.7% Remain area.

    Yep - and finely balanced between Tory and LD. Which leads me to believe Tory vote majorly hemorrhaging to BXP...

    (Sorry, is there an official acronym? BXP or TBP?)
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,184
    > @TheScreamingEagles said:
    > > @TheScreamingEagles said:
    >
    > > I've heard similar
    >
    > >
    >
    > > https://twitter.com/NicolaRBartlett/status/1132715298761711617
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Any details ?
    >
    > Cannot go into specific details but it was pointed out to me that Labour have a lot of the following voters
    >
    > 1) Really passionate Leavers
    >
    > 2) Really passionate Remainers/Revokers
    >
    > Both have abandoned the party.

    Thanks.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,132

    > @ah009 said:

    > > @Theuniondivvie said:

    > >



    >

    > :wink:

    > The political media equivalent of volunteering to climb into the Wicker Man.





    I sense Barry Gardiner will have a busy night.
    Heart of gold.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,411
    > @williamglenn said:
    > The People's Vote organisation sounds like it cares more about the Labour party than about Remain.

    Reminds me of the #SNPout twitter hashtag which was used almost exclusively by Scottish Tories.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    The Lib Dems are appaling at expectation management (see Gordon 2007, Westminster 2010, Westminster 2015)

    I am not reacting to any news of positive Lib Dem joy.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,475
    Don't know what the % increase is but I'm guessing there is one.

    https://twitter.com/JohnClarkSNP/status/1132718143707713536
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,019
    > @viewcode said:
    > Not sure how late I can stay up, I'm sharing a hotel room with my mum and my brother who are both early sleepers!
    >
    >
    >
    > Now you know why I was whinging about the election count not being on Thursday!
    >
    > If the hotel has WiFi you can go down to the bar, buy a soft drink, then go sit at a table or the lounge and surf in peace.

    That's sound advice, but it will mean creeping back up into the room in the wee hours without waking them up :)
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,184
    Am I right in thinking that the country which voted first is going to be the last to report results ?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,038
    > @viewcode said:
    > > @viewcode said:
    >
    > > Anyhoo, I was visiting rellies over the weekend and doing useful social things like helping my rellies garden, despite them having four working limbs and ability to afford a gardener. I took revenge by making them watch the season finale of season 2 of ST:Discovery twice, so balance was restored,... :)
    >
    > >
    >
    > > But as a result of this distraction I forgot that yesterday was International Towel Day. More info here.
    >
    >
    >
    > Yep. I celebrated with a few like minded friends.
    >
    >
    >
    > A triple nerd event.
    >
    >
    >
    > International Towel Day
    >
    > The 42nd anniversary of the Premier of Star Wars
    >
    > The Glorious 25th May from Terry Pratchett's Night Watch. - "Truth, Justice, Freedom, Reasonably-Priced Love and a Hard-Boiled Egg!"
    >
    >
    >
    > Next year's International Towel Day will be a special one as it falls on the 42nd anniversary of the first radio transmission of HHGTTG
    >
    > May 25th is also Geek Pride Day, oddly enough. I don't know if it's a coincidence.

    Funnily enough I read the history of this earlier today. Apparently it was the confluence of Towel Day and the anniversary of the Star Wars Premier that led to the date being considered Geek Pride Day. Apparently Pratchett then chose the day for his fictional rebellion on purpose to coincide with it. But then Star Wars fanned adopted the (rather obvious) May the 4th as Star Wars Day and Geek Pride took a bit of a battering. There are attempts to resurrect it, particularly with the big 42 anniversary next year.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,367
    Labour as fucked as a stepmon on Pornhub.
  • John_McLeanJohn_McLean Posts: 71
    Until, and only then, that Westminster starts taking seriously, understanding and working with the EU will the UK be able to leave it, or more probably seriously want to stay in. Reading the comments so far doesn't give me much hope though.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,843
    > @John_McLean said:
    > > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > It's a significant election at a significant time, I would say, because of the confluence of the rise of the Brexit party, a rightwinger-dominated Tory leadership campaign, and the possibility of a Remainer vote upset to counteract the first two.
    >
    > Bull. Brexit Party is being investigated on several different levels, most of which could mean that Farage could possibly see the inside of a prison cell for some considerable time. Probably get free milkshakes though.

    The Brexit party is an online-organised sham, or scam ; that doesn't make the results insignificant, though.
  • booksellerbookseller Posts: 504
    > @nico67 said:
    > > @RobD said:
    > > > @brokenwheel said:
    > > > Anecdata for the count here in Abingdon, Oxfordshire - neck and neck between BXP and LD...but a lot of LD momentum with Layla in this neck of the woods, so probably no surprise.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Not sure about turnout but the count finished some time ago and they have to hang around until 10pm...
    > > >
    > > > Neck and Neck? That's a 56.7% remain area.
    > >
    > > lol :D
    >
    > Yes but the Remain vote is split . The BP can win even in Remain areas , it depends whether the split is more even between the pro EU parties .

    Quite. My FB timeline was 'I've voted Green'...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,504
    RobD said:

    Checks clock... still 2 hours to go...

    Whoever would have thought we’d all be awaiting the EU parliament election results with such anticipation?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,541
    > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > @John_McLean said:
    > > > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > > It's a significant election at a significant time, I would say, because of the confluence of the rise of the Brexit party, a rightwinger-dominated Tory leadership campaign, and the possibility of a Remainer vote upset to counteract the first two.
    > >
    > > Bull. Brexit Party is being investigated on several different levels, most of which could mean that Farage could possibly see the inside of a prison cell for some considerable time. Probably get free milkshakes though.
    >
    > The Brexit party is an online-organised sham, or scam ; that doesn't make the results insignificant, though.

    In what way is it a scam?
  • TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,683
    > @Black_Rook said:
    > https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1132715814774292482

    ---------------------
    Using election results to determine policy is a 'democratic outrage'? Peoples' Vote are at least consistent in their definition of 'democracy'.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,541
    > @TheScreamingEagles said:
    > Labour as fucked as a stepmon on Pornhub.

    We've left dockside hooker territory? :o
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Don't know what the % increase is but I'm guessing there is one.



    +3%
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Le Pen in the lead also in Guyane, Guadaloupe, St Pierre, St Martin and St Bertholemy
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,367
    Alistair said:

    The Lib Dems are appaling at expectation management (see Gordon 2007, Westminster 2010, Westminster 2015)

    I am not reacting to any news of positive Lib Dem joy.

    You forget the 2006 Dunfermline and West Fife by-election when Labour were I think 1.02 as the candidates walked onto the stage.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2019
    The whole of Britain will declare tonight except for the Western Isles where the Sabbath is still observed — (and they obviously don't believe in starting a job at one minute past midnight).
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Do we know if the lectern is ready at LAB HQ so it can be wheeled out tomorrow morning?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,367
    RobD said:

    > @TheScreamingEagles said:

    > Labour as fucked as a stepmon on Pornhub.



    We've left dockside hooker territory? :o

    Ooops that was for a private message and not public consumption.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,184
    > @TheScreamingEagles said:
    > Labour as fucked as a stepmon on Pornhub.

    Is that more or less than stepsisters or stepdaughters ?

    I don't doubt that the data is available somewhere.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,132

    I think I'm going to vote for Gove if he makes the final two.



    I think I'll get disowned and removed from a few WhatsApp groups though.

    Great to hear.

    If there is any justice in the world Michael will beat Johnson.

    It's a mismatch IMO - one of them is top drawer, the other one is top shelf.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited May 2019

    Alistair said:

    The Lib Dems are appaling at expectation management (see Gordon 2007, Westminster 2010, Westminster 2015)

    I am not reacting to any news of positive Lib Dem joy.

    You forget the 2006 Dunfermline and West Fife by-election when Labour were I think 1.02 as the candidates walked onto the stage.
    The Lib Dems were insisting they had beaten Alex Salmond in Gordon in 2007 as the returning officer came on stage.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,843
    edited May 2019
    > @RobD said:
    > > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > > @John_McLean said:
    > > > > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > > > It's a significant election at a significant time, I would say, because of the confluence of the rise of the Brexit party, a rightwinger-dominated Tory leadership campaign, and the possibility of a Remainer vote upset to counteract the first two.
    > > >
    > > > Bull. Brexit Party is being investigated on several different levels, most of which could mean that Farage could possibly see the inside of a prison cell for some considerable time. Probably get free milkshakes though.
    > >
    > > The Brexit party is an online-organised sham, or scam ; that doesn't make the results insignificant, though.
    >
    > In what way is it a scam?

    It seems to pose as a bottom-up organisation, but actually seems to be a top-down directed party, both in terms of its policy direction, and a large chunk of its funding. It looks like a strange cross between something like Jeremy Corbyn's 2017 campaign with the Cambridge Analytica/Banks approach.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,460
    edited May 2019
    > @stodge said:
    > The Danish exit poll confirming the collapse of the Dansk Folkeparti and a strong result for the centre-left and left parties.

    Yes, anti-EU and anti-immigration parties routed there. In general the far right is having a patchy night - quite a good score in Belgium, very poor in Spain, in the lead in France but only with 20-odd, which they've had before. In Germany the AfD are just up 3% to 11% total - the attention is going to the Greens, who have romped past the Social Democrats for a strong 2nd place.

    https://www.zdf.de/
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046
    > @brokenwheel said:
    > Anecdata for the count here in Abingdon, Oxfordshire - neck and neck between BXP and LD...but a lot of LD momentum with Layla in this neck of the woods, so probably no surprise.
    >
    >
    >
    > Not sure about turnout but the count finished some time ago and they have to hang around until 10pm...
    >
    > Neck and Neck? That's a 56.7% Remain area.

    With a lot of Tories
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    Far right tanking in Denmark and the so called surge in Spain by Vox has delivered 6% !

    The media will of course ignore all this .
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    > @SandyRentool said:
    > > @RochdalePioneers said:
    > > My prediction for the NE: BXP, BXP, LD. If we're lucky..
    >
    > Shitting feck. If Labour can't win a seat in the NE we are in for a total humiliation.

    It would be very satisfying to see both the Tories and Labour comprehensively caned in this election.

    In the longer run, neither party is fit to govern. Barring a total collapse I suppose that one or the other will still provide the PM for the foreseeable future, but it would be better for everyone if neither ever won an outright majority again.

    Untrammeled power should not be placed in the hands of these narrow and wholly unrepresentative cults.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,749
    > @AndyJS said:
    > The whole of Britain will declare tonight except for the Western Isles where the Sabbath is still observed — (and they obviously don't believe in starting a job at one minute past midnight).

    Surely there is enough heathens on the island to join in with the rest of the UK?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    > @MikeSmithson said:
    > Do we know if the lectern is ready at LAB HQ so it can be wheeled out tomorrow morning?

    Brilliant Mike , that’s so funny .
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,541
    > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > @RobD said:
    > > > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > > > @John_McLean said:
    > > > > > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > > > > It's a significant election at a significant time, I would say, because of the confluence of the rise of the Brexit party, a rightwinger-dominated Tory leadership campaign, and the possibility of a Remainer vote upset to counteract the first two.
    > > > >
    > > > > Bull. Brexit Party is being investigated on several different levels, most of which could mean that Farage could possibly see the inside of a prison cell for some considerable time. Probably get free milkshakes though.
    > > >
    > > > The Brexit party is an online-organised sham, or scam ; that doesn't make the results insignificant, though.
    > >
    > > In what way is it a scam?
    >
    > It seems to pose as a bottom-up organisation, but actually seems to be a top-down directed party, both in terms of its policy direction, and a large chunk of its funding. It looks like a strange cross between something like Jeremy Corbyn's 2017 campaign with the Cambridge Analytica/Banks approach.

    How does it pose as a bottom-up organisation? I think they are explicit that you aren't becoming a member.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,830
    edited May 2019
    > @AndyJS said:
    > The whole of Britain will declare tonight except for the Western Isles where the Sabbath is still observed — (and they obviously don't believe in starting a job at one minute past midnight).

    In the days of the fishing fleets in North East Scotland they remained in harbour until one minute past midnight on the Sabbath when they cast off to sail to their fishing areas returning on fridays
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,843
    edited May 2019
    > @RobD said:
    > > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > > @RobD said:
    > > > > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > > > > @John_McLean said:
    > > > > > > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > > > > > It's a significant election at a significant time, I would say, because of the confluence of the rise of the Brexit party, a rightwinger-dominated Tory leadership campaign, and the possibility of a Remainer vote upset to counteract the first two.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Bull. Brexit Party is being investigated on several different levels, most of which could mean that Farage could possibly see the inside of a prison cell for some considerable time. Probably get free milkshakes though.
    > > > >
    > > > > The Brexit party is an online-organised sham, or scam ; that doesn't make the results insignificant, though.
    > > >
    > > > In what way is it a scam?
    > >
    > > It seems to pose as a bottom-up organisation, but actually seems to be a top-down directed party, both in terms of its policy direction, and a large chunk of its funding. It looks like a strange cross between something like Jeremy Corbyn's 2017 campaign with the Cambridge Analytica/Banks approach.
    >
    > How does it pose as a bottom-up organisation? I think they are explicit that you aren't becoming a member.

    It's based around the concept of online democracy and votes for members, but the key policy direction, storing and direction of members' data and online activities, and possibly the decisive funding, seems to all come from the top.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,019
    > @AndyJS said:
    > The whole of Britain will declare tonight except for the Western Isles where the Sabbath is still observed — (and they obviously don't believe in starting a job at one minute past midnight).

    You mean they make the DUP look godless and secular?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,038
    > @RobD said:
    > > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > > @RobD said:
    > > > > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > > > > @John_McLean said:
    > > > > > > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > > > > > It's a significant election at a significant time, I would say, because of the confluence of the rise of the Brexit party, a rightwinger-dominated Tory leadership campaign, and the possibility of a Remainer vote upset to counteract the first two.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Bull. Brexit Party is being investigated on several different levels, most of which could mean that Farage could possibly see the inside of a prison cell for some considerable time. Probably get free milkshakes though.
    > > > >
    > > > > The Brexit party is an online-organised sham, or scam ; that doesn't make the results insignificant, though.
    > > >
    > > > In what way is it a scam?
    > >
    > > It seems to pose as a bottom-up organisation, but actually seems to be a top-down directed party, both in terms of its policy direction, and a large chunk of its funding. It looks like a strange cross between something like Jeremy Corbyn's 2017 campaign with the Cambridge Analytica/Banks approach.
    >
    > How does it pose as a bottom-up organisation? I think they are explicit that you aren't becoming a member.

    Indeed. They are very clear that you are not becoming a member if you support them and are rather contributing to their success in achieving a shared objective.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Any minute: Sweden’s exit poll
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    > @SandyRentool said:
    > > @RochdalePioneers said:
    > > My prediction for the NE: BXP, BXP, LD. If we're lucky..
    >
    > Shitting feck. If Labour can't win a seat in the NE we are in for a total humiliation.

    Surely Labour will get at least one seat in the North East.
  • John_McLeanJohn_McLean Posts: 71
    > @MikeSmithson said:
    > Do we know if the lectern is ready at LAB HQ so it can be wheeled out tomorrow morning?

    Do we know if the lectern at LibDem hq is ready to be rolled out tomorrow tomorrow morning so that Cable can declare that his party is ready for government and he has measured up the curtains in no 10?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,541
    > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > @RobD said:
    > > > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > > > @RobD said:
    > > > > > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > > > > > @John_McLean said:
    > > > > > > > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > > > > > > It's a significant election at a significant time, I would say, because of the confluence of the rise of the Brexit party, a rightwinger-dominated Tory leadership campaign, and the possibility of a Remainer vote upset to counteract the first two.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Bull. Brexit Party is being investigated on several different levels, most of which could mean that Farage could possibly see the inside of a prison cell for some considerable time. Probably get free milkshakes though.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > The Brexit party is an online-organised sham, or scam ; that doesn't make the results insignificant, though.
    > > > >
    > > > > In what way is it a scam?
    > > >
    > > > It seems to pose as a bottom-up organisation, but actually seems to be a top-down directed party, both in terms of its policy direction, and a large chunk of its funding. It looks like a strange cross between something like Jeremy Corbyn's 2017 campaign with the Cambridge Analytica/Banks approach.
    > >
    > > How does it pose as a bottom-up organisation? I think they are explicit that you aren't becoming a member.
    >
    > It's based around the concept of online democracy and votes for members, but the policy direction, and possibly the decisive funding, seems to all come from the top.

    Where do they say members get votes? The website is explicit that you are not becoming a member.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,460
    > @Alistair said:
    > The Lib Dems are appaling at expectation management (see Gordon 2007, Westminster 2010, Westminster 2015)
    >
    > I am not reacting to any news of positive Lib Dem joy.

    I'm not a LibDem, but to be fair I think they're going to be the big story tonight.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 20,972
    edited May 2019

    Funnily enough I read the history of this earlier today. Apparently it was the confluence of Towel Day and the anniversary of the Star Wars Premier that led to the date being considered Geek Pride Day. Apparently Pratchett then chose the day for his fictional rebellion on purpose to coincide with it. But then Star Wars fanned adopted the (rather obvious) May the 4th as Star Wars Day and Geek Pride took a bit of a battering. There are attempts to resurrect it, particularly with the big 42 anniversary next year.

    I did not know that, thank you
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 50,526
    edited May 2019
    > @TheScreamingEagles said:
    >
    >Mary Creagh
    >
    >If we’d said referendum, remain & reform, Labour would’ve beaten Farage.

    Labour's three R's Brexit policy: Random, Wrong and Wrecked.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    > @bookseller said:
    > https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1132708207485489153

    Note: if the sequence of the dots on this map suggests the finishing order of the parties, as I suspect it does, then it implies that the Tories have beaten the Lib Dems in the South East, despite the Brexit Party finishing in the lead by some margin.

    I stand to be corrected by events, but that prediction at least really does smell a bit.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,910
    > @MikeSmithson said:
    > Do we know if the lectern is ready at LAB HQ so it can be wheeled out tomorrow morning?

    Jezza will be on his allotment on bank holiday Monday. :)
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Sweden exit poll:
    SD up 7
    M up 4
    Greens down 6
    Liberals down 6
    Feminist Initiative collapse (no meps
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,830
    > @NickPalmer said:
    > > @Alistair said:
    > > The Lib Dems are appaling at expectation management (see Gordon 2007, Westminster 2010, Westminster 2015)
    > >
    > > I am not reacting to any news of positive Lib Dem joy.
    >
    > I'm not a LibDem, but to be fair I think they're going to be the big story tonight.

    Actually Nick I think the big story tonight, and over the coming days, will be labour's collapse and how they move to a referendum
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    > @MikeSmithson said:
    > Do we know if the lectern is ready at LAB HQ so it can be wheeled out tomorrow morning?

    THAT bad?
  • oldpoliticsoldpolitics Posts: 455
    > @NickPalmer said:
    > > @stodge said:
    > > The Danish exit poll confirming the collapse of the Dansk Folkeparti and a strong result for the centre-left and left parties.
    >
    > Yes, anti-EU and anti-immigration parties routed there. In general the far right is having a patchy night - quite a good score in Belgium, very poor in Spain, in the lead in France but only with 20-odd, which they've had before. In Germany the AfD are just up 3% to 11% total - the attention is going to the Greens, who have romped past the Social Democrats for a strong 2nd place.
    >
    > https://www.zdf.de/

    Unless "and" means "which are both" as opposed to "both of", it's a little simplistic to say anti-immigration parties were routed in Denmark, as the Danish left are increasingly anti-immigration.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/11/denmark-election-matte-frederiksen-leftwing-immigration
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited May 2019
    Not really, a few polls had them in the 20s, and at the start of the campaign they were 3/1 to win

    Just checking the doing down Leave vote expectation management levels for later

    BXP+UKIP
    52%+ turnout down on referendum
    50% down on referendum
    49% Remain majority

    BXP win with
    38% didn’t match arbitrary personal expectation
    36% didn’t match best poll
    32% didn’t match average poll (disaster territory)
    30% might as well call 2nd referendum next week
    29% or less Revoke A50 immediately
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Social Democrats 25%
    Moderates 18%
    Sweden Democrats 17%
    Centre 10%
    Greens 10%
    Christian Democrats 8%
    Left 6%
    Liberals 4%
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,914

    Labour as fucked as a stepmon on Pornhub.

    You've used that one quite a few times lately- I take it you too saw the movie The Long Shot?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I don't believe the Brexit Party are on 50% in Cheshire East which almost voted Remain in 2016.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    > @solarflare said:
    > https://twitter.com/jamesmatthewsky/status/1132722303899492353

    That’s the highest turnout so far . And voted 74% Remain in 2016 .
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Can't wait to see Corbyn spinning this result tomorrow.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,411
    > @StuartDickson said:
    > Sweden exit poll:
    > SD up 7
    > M up 4
    > Greens down 6
    > Liberals down 6
    > Feminist Initiative collapse (no meps

    That's unhelpful given Sweden has both the Swedish and the Social Democrats.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,914
    TudorRose said:

    > @Black_Rook said:

    >





    ---------------------

    Using election results to determine policy is a 'democratic outrage'? Peoples' Vote are at least consistent in their definition of 'democracy'.
    I suspect they'd take a different tune if ld came top.
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    > @StuartDickson said:
    > Sweden exit poll:
    > SD up 7
    > M up 4
    > Greens down 6
    > Liberals down 6
    > Feminist Initiative collapse (no meps

    Is that seats or per cent? I presume SD is the Sweden democrats?

    How come the Feminists have lost support?
  • oldpoliticsoldpolitics Posts: 455
    > @bookseller said:
    > > @brokenwheel said:
    > > Anecdata for the count here in Abingdon, Oxfordshire - neck and neck between BXP and LD...but a lot of LD momentum with Layla in this neck of the woods, so probably no surprise.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Not sure about turnout but the count finished some time ago and they have to hang around until 10pm...
    > >
    > > Neck and Neck? That's a 56.7% Remain area.
    >
    > Yep - and finely balanced between Tory and LD. Which leads me to believe Tory vote majorly hemorrhaging to BXP...
    >
    > (Sorry, is there an official acronym? BXP or TBP?)

    Finely balanced? The Council is 31 Lib Dems, 6 Tories, and a Green.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,367
    kle4 said:

    Labour as fucked as a stepmon on Pornhub.

    You've used that one quite a few times lately- I take it you too saw the movie The Long Shot?
    Yup.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,843
    edited May 2019
    > @RobD said:
    > > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > > @RobD said:
    > > > > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > > > > @RobD said:
    > > > > > > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > > > > > > @John_McLean said:
    > > > > > > > > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > > > > > > > It's a significant election at a significant time, I would say, because of the confluence of the rise of the Brexit party, a rightwinger-dominated Tory leadership campaign, and the possibility of a Remainer vote upset to counteract the first two.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > Bull. Brexit Party is being investigated on several different levels, most of which could mean that Farage could possibly see the inside of a prison cell for some considerable time. Probably get free milkshakes though.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > The Brexit party is an online-organised sham, or scam ; that doesn't make the results insignificant, though.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > In what way is it a scam?
    > > > >
    > > > > It seems to pose as a bottom-up organisation, but actually seems to be a top-down directed party, both in terms of its policy direction, and a large chunk of its funding. It looks like a strange cross between something like Jeremy Corbyn's 2017 campaign with the Cambridge Analytica/Banks approach.
    > > >
    > > > How does it pose as a bottom-up organisation? I think they are explicit that you aren't becoming a member.
    > >
    > > It's based around the concept of online democracy and votes for members, but the policy direction, and possibly the decisive funding, seems to all come from the top.
    >
    > Where do they say members get votes? The website is explicit that you are not becoming a member.

    If you look, part of their entire raison d'etre and promise to their supporters is online participation, democracy and equality. They are a shell party, or "company" as Farage proudly puts it, for something else entirely.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,442
    > @StuartDickson said:
    > Social Democrats 25%
    > Moderates 18%
    > Sweden Democrats 17%
    > Centre 10%
    > Greens 10%
    > Christian Democrats 8%
    > Left 6%
    > Liberals 4%

    Pretty similar to the last national elections then
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    @TheScreamingEagles said:

    "Labour as fucked as a stepmon on Pornhub."

    .........................................................................................................

    Your exotic movie exploits are hardly suitable for airing before the watershed !!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,541
    > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > @RobD said:
    > > > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > > > @RobD said:
    > > > > > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > > > > > @RobD said:
    > > > > > > > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > > > > > > > @John_McLean said:
    > > > > > > > > > @WhisperingOracle said:
    > > > > > > > > > It's a significant election at a significant time, I would say, because of the confluence of the rise of the Brexit party, a rightwinger-dominated Tory leadership campaign, and the possibility of a Remainer vote upset to counteract the first two.
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > Bull. Brexit Party is being investigated on several different levels, most of which could mean that Farage could possibly see the inside of a prison cell for some considerable time. Probably get free milkshakes though.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > The Brexit party is an online-organised sham, or scam ; that doesn't make the results insignificant, though.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > In what way is it a scam?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > It seems to pose as a bottom-up organisation, but actually seems to be a top-down directed party, both in terms of its policy direction, and a large chunk of its funding. It looks like a strange cross between something like Jeremy Corbyn's 2017 campaign with the Cambridge Analytica/Banks approach.
    > > > >
    > > > > How does it pose as a bottom-up organisation? I think they are explicit that you aren't becoming a member.
    > > >
    > > > It's based around the concept of online democracy and votes for members, but the policy direction, and possibly the decisive funding, seems to all come from the top.
    > >
    > > Where do they say members get votes? The website is explicit that you are not becoming a member.
    >
    > If you look, part of their entire raison d'etre and promise to their members is online participation, democracy and equality. They are a shell party, or "company" as Farage proudly puts it, for something else entirely.

    They have no members. I still fail to see where the scam is. If the website said "sign up here and you will have a say in policy", then you might have a point.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 1,950

    Don't know what the % increase is but I'm guessing there is one.



    37% last time
  • booksellerbookseller Posts: 504
    > @oldpolitics said:
    > > @bookseller said:
    > > > @brokenwheel said:
    > > > Anecdata for the count here in Abingdon, Oxfordshire - neck and neck between BXP and LD...but a lot of LD momentum with Layla in this neck of the woods, so probably no surprise.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Not sure about turnout but the count finished some time ago and they have to hang around until 10pm...
    > > >
    > > > Neck and Neck? That's a 56.7% Remain area.
    > >
    > > Yep - and finely balanced between Tory and LD. Which leads me to believe Tory vote majorly hemorrhaging to BXP...
    > >
    > > (Sorry, is there an official acronym? BXP or TBP?)
    >
    > Finely balanced? The Council is 31 Lib Dems, 6 Tories, and a Green.

    I was referring to the OxWAB constituency: 43.7% LD, 42.4% CON
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,843
    edited May 2019
    Yes, I corrected that ; their promise is to their voters, not their members. And it's a promise of false participation.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,840
    > @AndyJS said:
    > Can't wait to see Corbyn spinning this result tomorrow.

    He won't. He will leave others to do the hard work. It will be an important day on the allotment for him
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 1,950

    Am I right in thinking that the country which voted first is going to be the last to report results ?

    God bless the Hebridean Sabbath!
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