> @Sunil_Prasannan said: > > @AndyJS said: > > The whole of Britain will declare tonight except for the Western Isles where the Sabbath is still observed — (and they obviously don't believe in starting a job at one minute past midnight). > > You mean they make the DUP look godless and secular?
> @JackW said: > @MikeSmithson said: > > "Do we know if the lectern is ready at LAB HQ so it can be wheeled out tomorrow morning?" > > ............................................................ > > And will it have the red flag logo on it ?
> @TheWhiteRabbit said: > > @StuartDickson said: > > Social Democrats 25% > > Moderates 18% > > Sweden Democrats 17% > > Centre 10% > > Greens 10% > > Christian Democrats 8% > > Left 6% > > Liberals 4% > > Pretty similar to the last national elections then
Yes, indeed. Greens twice as big, but otherwise I cannot at first glance see much movement from GE. Mind you, although Greens had a fantastic result today, they have still lost 2 MEPs compared with 2014
> @WhisperingOracle said: > Yes, I corrected that ; their promise is to their voters, not their members. And it's a promise of false participation.
What has the internal procedures of the party got to do with it then? Otherwise ever party is a scam, given that only a small fraction of the electorate can decide party policy.
> @bookseller said: > > @oldpolitics said: > > > @bookseller said: > > > > @brokenwheel said: > > > > Anecdata for the count here in Abingdon, Oxfordshire - neck and neck between BXP and LD...but a lot of LD momentum with Layla in this neck of the woods, so probably no surprise. > > > > Not sure about turnout but the count finished some time ago and they have to hang around until 10pm... > > > > Neck and Neck? That's a 56.7% Remain area. > > > Yep - and finely balanced between Tory and LD. Which leads me to believe Tory vote majorly hemorrhaging to BXP... > > > (Sorry, is there an official acronym? BXP or TBP?) > > Finely balanced? The Council is 31 Lib Dems, 6 Tories, and a Green. > I was referring to the OxWAB constituency: 43.7% LD, 42.4% CON
Here in my part of OxWAB (Jericho part of Oxford) there is nothing but a sea of Orange posters/boards up - and this at council level returns the Labour councillors with 4 figure majorities. There are a couple of Green posters - but nothing at all for Lab/Con/TBP
But I suspect TBP voters tend not to talk about it in polite society let alone put up a poster
If the snp only get 2 meps they will be disappointed. I can’t see Ruth Davidson being impressed either. She is ready to use this election as an excuse to take much stronger control of the Scottish conservatives following her maternity leave. Another reason why hard brexit has died tonight.
Labour shutting down all debate about Europe, the EU, and Brexit at last years conference has been in some ways a masterstroke. They can pretend everything was unanimously approved by the membership. Total dog poo.
> @brendan16 said: > > @StuartDickson said: > > Sweden exit poll: > > SD up 7 > > M up 4 > > Greens down 6 > > Liberals down 6 > > Feminist Initiative collapse (no meps > > Is that seats or per cent? I presume SD is the Sweden democrats? > > How come the Feminists have lost support?
They were IMHO “borrowing” support from disillusioned Social Democrats. It is a consequence of the Social Democrat base firming up.
Did anyone notice Labours new spin on their Brexit position. I heard a spokesman that it is both leave and remain as they are splitbdown the middle - wait for it - like the British public. I nearly spat out my coffee when I heard that one. Just flagging it here in case they try it again tonight
> @RobD said: > > @WhisperingOracle said: > > Yes, I corrected that ; their promise is to their voters, not their members. And it's a promise of false participation. > > What has the internal procedures of the party got to do with it then? Otherwise ever party is a scam, given that only a small fraction of the electorate can decide party policy.
But the Tories and Liberal Democrats, and even Labour with Momentum integrating themselves into their structure, haven't been presenting themsekves as entirely spontaneous, bottom-up movement, with no fixed structures, and all signficant funding and direction coming from below, though. That's a different level of misrepresentation to voters.
> @brokenwheel said: > Anecdata for the count here in Abingdon, Oxfordshire - neck and neck between BXP and LD...but a lot of LD momentum with Layla in this neck of the woods, so probably no surprise. > > > > Not sure about turnout but the count finished some time ago and they have to hang around until 10pm... > > Neck and Neck? That's a 56.7% Remain area.
You seem to be forgetting that BXP is the main recepticle for leave votes whereas the remain votes will split between several parties. If 43.3% of the area voted leave and those voters coalesce behind 1 party then that party will be doing well. The fact they are neck and neck with the leading remain party is hardly that surprising.
> @WhisperingOracle said: > > @RobD said: > > > @WhisperingOracle said: > > > Yes, I corrected that ; their promise is to their voters, not their members. And it's a promise of false participation. > > > > What has the internal procedures of the party got to do with it then? Otherwise ever party is a scam, given that only a small fraction of the electorate can decide party policy. > > But the Tories and Liberal Democrats, and even Labour with Momentum integrating themselves into their structure, haven't been presenting themsekves as entirely spontaneous, bottom-up movement, with no fixed structures, and all signficant funding and direction coming from below, though. That's a different level of misrepresentation to voters.
But they haven't been presenting themselves as a bottom-up movement (at least in terms of policy). It's quite clear who is running the show, and it ain't the supporters.
> @Cicero said: > > @NickPalmer said: > > Are we getting results announced by constituency tonight? > > > @NickPalmer said: > > Are we getting results announced by constituency tonight? > > Council Area, I think, Nick
> Anecdata for the count here in Abingdon, Oxfordshire - neck and neck between BXP and LD...but a lot of LD momentum with Layla in this neck of the woods, so probably no surprise.
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> Not sure about turnout but the count finished some time ago and they have to hang around until 10pm...
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> Neck and Neck? That's a 56.7% Remain area.
You seem to be forgetting that BXP is the main recepticle for leave votes whereas the remain votes will split between several parties. If 43.3% of the area voted leave and those voters coalesce behind 1 party then that party will be doing well. The fact they are neck and neck with othe leading remain parties is hardly that surprising.
But I thought you were waxing lyrical about TBP not speaking for most Leavers either?
On posters, the Labour posters that were up for the local elections no longer are - though I expect the new District councillor has voted Labour still ! Only seen one poster up around these parts for the euros - a solitary Brexit party poster in the window of a big house in Hooton Levitt.
> @bookseller said: > > @oldpolitics said: > > Finely balanced? The Council is 31 Lib Dems, 6 Tories, and a Green. > > I was referring to the OxWAB constituency: 43.7% LD, 42.4% CON
That's fine but the count in Abingdon will surely be for the council area, which has none of urban Oxford in it, rather than the constituency?
> @RobD said: > > @WhisperingOracle said: > > > @RobD said: > > > > @WhisperingOracle said: > > > > Yes, I corrected that ; their promise is to their voters, not their members. And it's a promise of false participation. > > > > > > What has the internal procedures of the party got to do with it then? Otherwise ever party is a scam, given that only a small fraction of the electorate can decide party policy. > > > > But the Tories and Liberal Democrats, and even Labour with Momentum integrating themselves into their structure, haven't been presenting themsekves as entirely spontaneous, bottom-up movement, with no fixed structures, and all signficant funding and direction coming from below, though. That's a different level of misrepresentation to voters. > > But they haven't been presenting themselves as a bottom-up movement (at least in terms of policy). It's quite clear who is running the show, and it ain't the supporters.
We could argue this all day. Their fundamental promise is democracy, internal participation and representation. I would say that it's false, and particularly where financing is concerned, that could have legal implications.
> @Pulpstar said: > On posters, the Labour posters that were up for the local elections no longer are - though I expect the new District councillor has voted Labour still ! > Only seen one poster up around these parts for the euros - a solitary Brexit party poster in the window of a big house in Hooton Levitt.
There's one house in my town with five CUK posters (multicoloured supermarket barcodes is what they look like).
I was stunned, surprised and amused. More or less in that order.
I think they will hold on to at least 1 MEP in the East of England, losing about half of their 2014 vote (which was already half of the Tory or Tory-leaning parliamentary vote)
It is a shame Scotland can't just be sprinkled around England a bit for the purposes of this evening. All that differential turnout concentrated and wasted.
> @AndyJS said: > 50.2% turnout in Edinburgh could potentially be a very good result for the LDs if SNP supporters have decided to back them this time. > > I wonder if a lot SNP supporters have indeed switched to the LDs on this occasion as the best way of stopping Brexit.
I doubt that. All the pro-Remain tactical voting initiatives recommended voting SNP unless you're a strong unionist.
> @Cicero said: > > @NickPalmer said: > > Are we getting results announced by constituency tonight? > > > @NickPalmer said: > > Are we getting results announced by constituency tonight? > > Council Area, I think, Nick
Yes we will get two sets of numbers. Council area vote split together with the aggregated data for each regions. In some cases the council outcomes will be known first in other the regional one.
> @Pulpstar said: > On posters, the Labour posters that were up for the local elections no longer are - though I expect the new District councillor has voted Labour still ! > Only seen one poster up around these parts for the euros - a solitary Brexit party poster in the window of a big house in Hooton Levitt.
Round our way we also had local (district council) elections before the Euros. I've counted about half-a-dozen Lib Dem yellow diamonds and one Labour poster, and that's it.
> @WhisperingOracle said: > > @RobD said: > > > @WhisperingOracle said: > > > > @RobD said: > > > > > @WhisperingOracle said: > > > > > Yes, I corrected that ; their promise is to their voters, not their members. And it's a promise of false participation. > > > > > > > > What has the internal procedures of the party got to do with it then? Otherwise ever party is a scam, given that only a small fraction of the electorate can decide party policy. > > > > > > But the Tories and Liberal Democrats, and even Labour with Momentum integrating themselves into their structure, haven't been presenting themsekves as entirely spontaneous, bottom-up movement, with no fixed structures, and all signficant funding and direction coming from below, though. That's a different level of misrepresentation to voters. > > > > But they haven't been presenting themselves as a bottom-up movement (at least in terms of policy). It's quite clear who is running the show, and it ain't the supporters. > > We could argue this all day. Their fundamental promise is democracy, internal participation and representation. I would say that it's false.
Yeah, we could Whereas I argue they have never promised internal participation and representation, so you cannot justifiably call them a scam.
> @Casino_Royale said: > > There's one house in my town with five CUK posters (multicoloured supermarket barcodes is what they look like). > > I was stunned, surprised and amused. More or less in that order. > > I've never seen any anywhere else.
It could be one of their candidates or a relative of one.
> @Pulpstar said: > Labour's strategy all along has been about how best to screw the Tories. Amusing they've got Nige, Vince and Caroline all gnawing into their vote now.
> @state_go_away said: > > @AndyJS said: > > Has anyone got anything nice in the fridge to drink while the results come in? > > a bottle of budweiser, then stella then some weiss bier
I'm hoping that's Budweiser Budvar, not US rice pee?
Has anyone got anything nice in the fridge to drink while the results come in?
A very nice red for me to go with braised pork with red cabbage, which my son has been cooking. It smells delicious!
He is showing quite an aptitude for cooking which is wonderful, even if it is playing havoc with my diet.
That definitely needs encouraging. Everyone always seems a bit shocked when they find out I can cook because I'm relatively young and male, but it does impress visitors and makes eating healthily so much easier. I'm just glad I never got into baking cakes
> @Alistair said: > 50.2% turnout in Edinburgh could potentially be a very good result for the LDs if SNP supporters have decided to back them this time. > > > > I wonder if a lot SNP supporters have indeed switched to the LDs on this occasion as the best way of stopping Brexit. > > No, they will have switched to Greens if they are going to switch.
The Edinburgh vote has a massive student impact. If the Lib Dem’s do well it will be the point they are forgiven for the student fees vote.
> @Theuniondivvie said: > > @state_go_away said: > > > @AndyJS said: > > > Has anyone got anything nice in the fridge to drink while the results come in? > > > > a bottle of budweiser, then stella then some weiss bier > > > I'm hoping that's Budweiser Budvar, not US rice pee?
> @brokenwheel said: > > @brokenwheel said: > > > Anecdata for the count here in Abingdon, Oxfordshire - neck and neck between BXP and LD...but a lot of LD momentum with Layla in this neck of the woods, so probably no surprise. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not sure about turnout but the count finished some time ago and they have to hang around until 10pm... > > > > > > Neck and Neck? That's a 56.7% Remain area. > > > > You seem to be forgetting that BXP is the main recepticle for leave votes whereas the remain votes will split between several parties. If 43.3% of the area voted leave and those voters coalesce behind 1 party then that party will be doing well. The fact they are neck and neck with othe leading remain parties is hardly that surprising. > > But I thought you were waxing lyrical about TBP not speaking for most Leavers either?
If the snp only get 2 meps they will be disappointed. I can’t see Ruth Davidson being impressed either. She is ready to use this election as an excuse to take much stronger control of the Scottish conservatives following her maternity leave. Another reason why hard brexit has died tonight.
It would be a huge blow for them and ironically would be used by the headbangers in the party to demand leadership change when it is the headbangers that have caused the SNP to leak votes.
> @AlastairMeeks said: > > @AndyJS said: > > Has anyone got anything nice in the fridge to drink while the results come in? > > I’m hoping to open a nice bottle of schadenfreude.
Given the state of UK politics, I’m thinking a bottle of meths.
> > We could argue this all day. Their fundamental promise is democracy, internal participation and representation. I would say that it's false. > > Yeah, we could Whereas I argue they have never promised internal participation and representation, so you cannot justifiably call them a scam.
Ultimately though, our dispute will have less significance than the ongoing investigations that John Maclean mentions. We shall see, as they say.
> @malcolmg said: > Reasoning being SNP are as Pro EU as the Lib Dems and the Lib Dems anti indy stance won't be rewarded. > > However the Greens are both pro EU and pro indy. > > Also they SNP are not lying unprincipled charlatans like the LD's. You could trust them as far as you could throw a Tory.
Always easy to spot when we've got you beat Malcolm. Lib Dems looking good in Edinburgh and the North.
> @malcolmg said: > > @Alistair said: > > > 50.2% turnout in Edinburgh could potentially be a very good result for the LDs if SNP supporters have decided to back them this time. > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if a lot SNP supporters have indeed switched to the LDs on this occasion as the best way of stopping Brexit. > > > > > > No, they will have switched to Greens if they are going to switch. > > > > The Edinburgh vote has a massive student impact. If the Lib Dem’s do well it will be the point they are forgiven for the student fees vote. > > Anybody that votes for a bunch of numpties led by Willie Rennie should be sectioned.
Has anyone got anything nice in the fridge to drink while the results come in?
A very nice red for me to go with braised pork with red cabbage, which my son has been cooking. It smells delicious!
He is showing quite an aptitude for cooking which is wonderful, even if it is playing havoc with my diet.
That definitely needs encouraging. Everyone always seems a bit shocked when they find out I can cook because I'm relatively young and male, but it does impress visitors and makes eating healthily so much easier. I'm just glad I never got into baking cakes
I leave that to my wife , whilst I make sure the wine is suitable.
Comments
"Do we know if the lectern is ready at LAB HQ so it can be wheeled out tomorrow morning?"
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And will it have the red flag logo on it ?
> > @AndyJS said:
> > The whole of Britain will declare tonight except for the Western Isles where the Sabbath is still observed — (and they obviously don't believe in starting a job at one minute past midnight).
>
> You mean they make the DUP look godless and secular?
Is Northern Ireland counting tonight?
Prognosis MEPs:
S 5 nc
M 4 +1
SD 4 +2
> @MikeSmithson said:
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> "Do we know if the lectern is ready at LAB HQ so it can be wheeled out tomorrow morning?"
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> And will it have the red flag logo on it ?
White flag perhaps?
> https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1132707971669086212
In terms of votes, that would be quite evenly balanced between "No Deal" and "Revoke" parties.
> > @StuartDickson said:
> > Social Democrats 25%
> > Moderates 18%
> > Sweden Democrats 17%
> > Centre 10%
> > Greens 10%
> > Christian Democrats 8%
> > Left 6%
> > Liberals 4%
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> Pretty similar to the last national elections then
Yes, indeed. Greens twice as big, but otherwise I cannot at first glance see much movement from GE. Mind you, although Greens had a fantastic result today, they have still lost 2 MEPs compared with 2014
> It'll be funny if Labour come behind Gavin Esler in London.
It would be but I'm struggling to see that :@)
> Has anyone got anything nice in the fridge to drink while the results come in?
a bottle of budweiser, then stella then some weiss bier
> It'll be funny if Labour come behind Gavin Esler in London.
No more x rated references please - it’s not yet 10pm!
> Has anyone got anything nice in the fridge to drink while the results come in?
Oat Milk for the Liberal Democrats and Greens, Theakston's Old Peculiar for the Brexiters. Humble pie for the Labour and Tories.
> Yes, I corrected that ; their promise is to their voters, not their members. And it's a promise of false participation.
What has the internal procedures of the party got to do with it then? Otherwise ever party is a scam, given that only a small fraction of the electorate can decide party policy.
> > @oldpolitics said:
> > > @bookseller said:
> > > > @brokenwheel said:
> > > > Anecdata for the count here in Abingdon, Oxfordshire - neck and neck between BXP and LD...but a lot of LD momentum with Layla in this neck of the woods, so probably no surprise.
> > > > Not sure about turnout but the count finished some time ago and they have to hang around until 10pm...
> > > > Neck and Neck? That's a 56.7% Remain area.
> > > Yep - and finely balanced between Tory and LD. Which leads me to believe Tory vote majorly hemorrhaging to BXP...
> > > (Sorry, is there an official acronym? BXP or TBP?)
> > Finely balanced? The Council is 31 Lib Dems, 6 Tories, and a Green.
> I was referring to the OxWAB constituency: 43.7% LD, 42.4% CON
Here in my part of OxWAB (Jericho part of Oxford) there is nothing but a sea of Orange posters/boards up - and this at council level returns the Labour councillors with 4 figure majorities. There are a couple of Green posters - but nothing at all for Lab/Con/TBP
But I suspect TBP voters tend not to talk about it in polite society let alone put up a poster
> > @StuartDickson said:
> > Sweden exit poll:
> > SD up 7
> > M up 4
> > Greens down 6
> > Liberals down 6
> > Feminist Initiative collapse (no meps
>
> Is that seats or per cent? I presume SD is the Sweden democrats?
>
> How come the Feminists have lost support?
They were IMHO “borrowing” support from disillusioned Social Democrats. It is a consequence of the Social Democrat base firming up.
> > @WhisperingOracle said:
> > Yes, I corrected that ; their promise is to their voters, not their members. And it's a promise of false participation.
>
> What has the internal procedures of the party got to do with it then? Otherwise ever party is a scam, given that only a small fraction of the electorate can decide party policy.
But the Tories and Liberal Democrats, and even Labour with Momentum integrating themselves into their structure, haven't been presenting themsekves as entirely spontaneous, bottom-up movement, with no fixed structures, and all signficant funding and direction coming from below, though. That's a different level of misrepresentation to voters.
> Are we getting results announced by constituency tonight?
> @NickPalmer said:
> Are we getting results announced by constituency tonight?
Council Area, I think, Nick
He is showing quite an aptitude for cooking which is wonderful, even if it is playing havoc with my diet.
Apparently Tories are losing a lot of votes not just to the BP but their Remainers are ditching them for the Lib Dems.
> Anecdata for the count here in Abingdon, Oxfordshire - neck and neck between BXP and LD...but a lot of LD momentum with Layla in this neck of the woods, so probably no surprise.
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> Not sure about turnout but the count finished some time ago and they have to hang around until 10pm...
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> Neck and Neck? That's a 56.7% Remain area.
You seem to be forgetting that BXP is the main recepticle for leave votes whereas the remain votes will split between several parties. If 43.3% of the area voted leave and those voters coalesce behind 1 party then that party will be doing well. The fact they are neck and neck with the leading remain party is hardly that surprising.
> > @RobD said:
> > > @WhisperingOracle said:
> > > Yes, I corrected that ; their promise is to their voters, not their members. And it's a promise of false participation.
> >
> > What has the internal procedures of the party got to do with it then? Otherwise ever party is a scam, given that only a small fraction of the electorate can decide party policy.
>
> But the Tories and Liberal Democrats, and even Labour with Momentum integrating themselves into their structure, haven't been presenting themsekves as entirely spontaneous, bottom-up movement, with no fixed structures, and all signficant funding and direction coming from below, though. That's a different level of misrepresentation to voters.
But they haven't been presenting themselves as a bottom-up movement (at least in terms of policy). It's quite clear who is running the show, and it ain't the supporters.
> > @NickPalmer said:
> > Are we getting results announced by constituency tonight?
>
> > @NickPalmer said:
> > Are we getting results announced by constituency tonight?
>
> Council Area, I think, Nick
OOo Goodie. That means lots more to analyse.
Only seen one poster up around these parts for the euros - a solitary Brexit party poster in the window of a big house in Hooton Levitt.
I wonder if a lot SNP supporters have indeed switched to the LDs on this occasion as the best way of stopping Brexit.
> > @oldpolitics said:
> > Finely balanced? The Council is 31 Lib Dems, 6 Tories, and a Green.
>
> I was referring to the OxWAB constituency: 43.7% LD, 42.4% CON
That's fine but the count in Abingdon will surely be for the council area, which has none of urban Oxford in it, rather than the constituency?
> > @WhisperingOracle said:
> > > @RobD said:
> > > > @WhisperingOracle said:
> > > > Yes, I corrected that ; their promise is to their voters, not their members. And it's a promise of false participation.
> > >
> > > What has the internal procedures of the party got to do with it then? Otherwise ever party is a scam, given that only a small fraction of the electorate can decide party policy.
> >
> > But the Tories and Liberal Democrats, and even Labour with Momentum integrating themselves into their structure, haven't been presenting themsekves as entirely spontaneous, bottom-up movement, with no fixed structures, and all signficant funding and direction coming from below, though. That's a different level of misrepresentation to voters.
>
> But they haven't been presenting themselves as a bottom-up movement (at least in terms of policy). It's quite clear who is running the show, and it ain't the supporters.
We could argue this all day. Their fundamental promise is democracy, internal participation and representation. I would say that it's false, and particularly where financing is concerned, that could have legal implications.
> On posters, the Labour posters that were up for the local elections no longer are - though I expect the new District councillor has voted Labour still !
> Only seen one poster up around these parts for the euros - a solitary Brexit party poster in the window of a big house in Hooton Levitt.
There's one house in my town with five CUK posters (multicoloured supermarket barcodes is what they look like).
I was stunned, surprised and amused. More or less in that order.
I've never seen any anywhere else.
> https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1132728087706255362
I think they will hold on to at least 1 MEP in the East of England, losing about half of their 2014 vote (which was already half of the Tory or Tory-leaning parliamentary vote)
> https://twitter.com/jamesmatthewsky/status/1132722303899492353
It is a shame Scotland can't just be sprinkled around England a bit for the purposes of this evening. All that differential turnout concentrated and wasted.
> The Tories holding on in Abingdon isn't too bad a result for them. You'd think the LDs would win easily there.
I read the rumour as BXP/LD well ahead, with lots of *past* Tory votes. But maybe you've had a different rumour?
> 50.2% turnout in Edinburgh could potentially be a very good result for the LDs if SNP supporters have decided to back them this time.
>
> I wonder if a lot SNP supporters have indeed switched to the LDs on this occasion as the best way of stopping Brexit.
I doubt that. All the pro-Remain tactical voting initiatives recommended voting SNP unless you're a strong unionist.
> > @NickPalmer said:
> > Are we getting results announced by constituency tonight?
>
> > @NickPalmer said:
> > Are we getting results announced by constituency tonight?
>
> Council Area, I think, Nick
Yes we will get two sets of numbers. Council area vote split together with the aggregated data for each regions. In some cases the council outcomes will be known first in other the regional one.
> https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1132728087706255362
Not a great surprise.
> @Pulpstar said:
> On posters, the Labour posters that were up for the local elections no longer are - though I expect the new District councillor has voted Labour still !
> Only seen one poster up around these parts for the euros - a solitary Brexit party poster in the window of a big house in Hooton Levitt.
Round our way we also had local (district council) elections before the Euros. I've counted about half-a-dozen Lib Dem yellow diamonds and one Labour poster, and that's it.
> > @RobD said:
> > > @WhisperingOracle said:
> > > > @RobD said:
> > > > > @WhisperingOracle said:
> > > > > Yes, I corrected that ; their promise is to their voters, not their members. And it's a promise of false participation.
> > > >
> > > > What has the internal procedures of the party got to do with it then? Otherwise ever party is a scam, given that only a small fraction of the electorate can decide party policy.
> > >
> > > But the Tories and Liberal Democrats, and even Labour with Momentum integrating themselves into their structure, haven't been presenting themsekves as entirely spontaneous, bottom-up movement, with no fixed structures, and all signficant funding and direction coming from below, though. That's a different level of misrepresentation to voters.
> >
> > But they haven't been presenting themselves as a bottom-up movement (at least in terms of policy). It's quite clear who is running the show, and it ain't the supporters.
>
> We could argue this all day. Their fundamental promise is democracy, internal participation and representation. I would say that it's false.
Yeah, we could
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1132727414293966848
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> There's one house in my town with five CUK posters (multicoloured supermarket barcodes is what they look like).
>
> I was stunned, surprised and amused. More or less in that order.
>
> I've never seen any anywhere else.
It could be one of their candidates or a relative of one.
> Labour's strategy all along has been about how best to screw the Tories. Amusing they've got Nige, Vince and Caroline all gnawing into their vote now.
They've ended up digging two graves.
Apt.
Moderates held on to just 67%.
A heck of a lot of “churn”.
However the Greens are both pro EU and pro indy.
> > @AndyJS said:
> > Has anyone got anything nice in the fridge to drink while the results come in?
>
> a bottle of budweiser, then stella then some weiss bier
I'm hoping that's Budweiser Budvar, not US rice pee?
> https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1132728087706255362
If the Tories are in single figures they will get two or fewer MEPs in all probability.
42% law and order
39% European coalition
> Exit Polls from Portugal
>
> https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1132727414293966848
Too many acronyms there!
> Has anyone got anything nice in the fridge to drink while the results come in?
I’m hoping to open a nice bottle of schadenfreude.
> Exit Polls from Portugal
>
> https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1132727414293966848
Interesting results given the last GE there
Initial exit poll seems to have been reasonably accurate. Amazing success for Greens
Fidesz-KDNP-EPP: 56%
MSZP-P-S&D-G/EFA: 10%
DK-S&D: 10%
Jobbik-NI: 9%
Momentum-ALDE: 7%
LMP-G/EFA: 3%
Mi Hazánk-NI: 3%
MKKP-NI: 2%
https://twitter.com/ryland1/status/1132726600871686145?s=21
Still awaiting numbers.
First numbers in about 1 and a half hours
It might not effect their seats as much because of the type of PR we have in these elections but the vote shares will be effected .
Scotland and London are really the firewall against a better night for the BP.
Tory posters seemingly excited by that like old times, whilst entirely missing the point.
> 50.2% turnout in Edinburgh could potentially be a very good result for the LDs if SNP supporters have decided to back them this time.
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> No, they will have switched to Greens if they are going to switch.
The Edinburgh vote has a massive student impact. If the Lib Dem’s do well it will be the point they are forgiven for the student fees vote.
> > @state_go_away said:
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> > a bottle of budweiser, then stella then some weiss bier
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> I'm hoping that's Budweiser Budvar, not US rice pee?
No its the US version !
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> You seem to be forgetting that BXP is the main recepticle for leave votes whereas the remain votes will split between several parties. If 43.3% of the area voted leave and those voters coalesce behind 1 party then that party will be doing well. The fact they are neck and neck with othe leading remain parties is hardly that surprising.
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> But I thought you were waxing lyrical about TBP not speaking for most Leavers either?
When was I doing that?
https://twitter.com/edmundgriffiths/status/1132694166855667713?s=21
https://twitter.com/edmundgriffiths/status/1132730338780823552?s=21
EEP 173
S D 147
Both big losses
Greens and Liberals: big gains
Heart of stone, etc.
https://twitter.com/RichBJC/status/1132720293951234049?s=19
Top beer from Yorkshire's oldest brewer.
> > @AndyJS said:
> > Has anyone got anything nice in the fridge to drink while the results come in?
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> I’m hoping to open a nice bottle of schadenfreude.
Given the state of UK politics, I’m thinking a bottle of meths.
> A Labour collapse makes a Tory recovery harder. You can't "beat Corbyn" if Corbyn isn't your most important opponent.
Two sclerotic pillars propping each other up.
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> Yeah, we could
Ultimately though, our dispute will have less significance than the ongoing investigations that John Maclean mentions. We shall see, as they say.
> Labour councillor
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> https://twitter.com/ryland1/status/1132726600871686145
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Of course Adonis will still argue that if Labour had been the Party of Remain they'd be winning these elections.....
> A Labour collapse makes a Tory recovery harder. You can't "beat Corbyn" if Corbyn isn't your most important opponent.
Spot on. They desperately need each other.
https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/716184709496180736?s=21
> I wouldn't be shocked if Dan Hannan is the only Tory MEP elected tonight.
You could easily imagine him defecting in the morning too.
> Reasoning being SNP are as Pro EU as the Lib Dems and the Lib Dems anti indy stance won't be rewarded.
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> Also they SNP are not lying unprincipled charlatans like the LD's. You could trust them as far as you could throw a Tory.
Always easy to spot when we've got you beat Malcolm. Lib Dems looking good in Edinburgh and the North.
> Oxford Lib Dem’s 👍🏻
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He's says there was a spoilt ballot with someone writing "PLAID CYMRU" on it.
> This aged well...
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> https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/716184709496180736
Yet we are still in the EU, and bound by state interference rules.
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> Anybody that votes for a bunch of numpties led by Willie Rennie should be sectioned.
Never a good look to insult the voters...
> Alastair probably ruing the Hungarian poll (not an exit poll I don't think):
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> Fidesz-KDNP-EPP: 56%
> MSZP-P-S&D-G/EFA: 10%
> DK-S&D: 10%
> Jobbik-NI: 9%
> Momentum-ALDE: 7%
> LMP-G/EFA: 3%
> Mi Hazánk-NI: 3%
> MKKP-NI: 2%
Sadly expected.