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  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,338
    kle4 said:

    Does anyone have a link to the 7? amendments to be voted on tonight please?

    These?
    https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/parliament-next-steps-brexit

    Also shows the nonselected ones.
    Ah thanks. I had the link but hadn't spotted the right-hand column, doh!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,130

    The role of Govt. in this is quite horrifying. Trashing businesses. Started 2008, on Labour's watch. Carried on through the Coalition, so no party political point-scoring.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47047699

    That’s absolutely shocking, especially the internal emails. Will rightly cost hundreds of millions in compensation.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,575
    If Cooper fails by one, the absence of the MP for Peterborough could have proved crucial to Brexit....
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,307
    dr_spyn said:

    What is the point of electing MPs, if they devolve hard decisions to an undefined Citizens' Assembly?

    https://twitter.com/stellacreasy/status/1090321148347383808

    This proposal is barking.

    I agree. It is ridiculous.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,307
    kle4 said:

    Does anyone have a link to the 7? amendments to be voted on tonight please?

    These?
    https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/parliament-next-steps-brexit

    Also shows the nonselected ones.
    Here is a good write up. Shows the order.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/29/amendments-to-may-statement-brexit-bill
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    Who is the MP reading the results out. I always wonder at PMQ's as she is prominent in the camera angel?

    TIA.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 120,871
    Corbyn Amendment 296 For 327 Against so on party lines, same likely with Blackford then it gets interesting


  • One of the main revelations of last night's excellent BBC programme on the subject was the genuine sadness amongst the EU representatives when the referendum result came through. I was also surprised at just how much flexibility that had shown in their negotiations with Cameron. They were genuinely trying to help him.

    I agree with the sadness bit. Though the reasons for that sadness were not perhaps what you thought they were. I disagree entirely on the question of their flexibility. They gave away nothing at all. Not that they necessarily should have done but they certainly didn't help Cameron and the overriding impression they gave was one of annoyance with democracy in action.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 120,871
    TGOHF said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    John Rentoul predicts the Brady amendment will be defeated, he earlier predicted the Cooper amendment will pass

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1090276755871547397

    Betfair thinks he's wrong on both counts.
    Rentoul has crunched the numbers in quite some detail in his tweets, Betfair is guesswork
    Any cabinet ministers supporting Cooper ?
    Abstaining I expect
  • If Cooper fails by one, the absence of the MP for Peterborough could have proved crucial to Brexit....

    Yup, I'll have lost a fiver on Betfair. Will never forgive her.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    Who is the MP reading the results out. I always wonder at PMQ's as she is prominent in the camera angel?

    TIA.

    Leadsom as Leader of the House maybe?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,411
    I'm backing Cooper on Betfair, might as well try and make money out of this farce.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,411
    SNP motion about to be walloped lol
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    If Cooper fails by one, the absence of the MP for Peterborough could have proved crucial to Brexit....

    Yup, I'll have lost a fiver on Betfair. Will never forgive her.
    You are a very unforgiving sort
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,352



    One of the main revelations of last night's excellent BBC programme on the subject was the genuine sadness amongst the EU representatives when the referendum result came through. I was also surprised at just how much flexibility that had shown in their negotiations with Cameron. They were genuinely trying to help him.

    I agree with the sadness bit. Though the reasons for that sadness were not perhaps what you thought they were. I disagree entirely on the question of their flexibility. They gave away nothing at all. Not that they necessarily should have done but they certainly didn't help Cameron and the overriding impression they gave was one of annoyance with democracy in action.
    Cameron made mistake after mistake after mistake. Leaving the EPP was a costly error, with no upside.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    Barnesian said:

    Charles said:

    Barnesian said:

    Caroline Lucas has just used my "pointing a gun at your own head" analogy.

    EDIT: Here it is again in full

    My analogy is a person pointing a gun at their own head and threatening to pull the trigger and spatter the other side with blood if they don't get their own way. They are probably bluffing but they might not be, or might accidentally pull the trigger, particularly as some who are not in the line of fire are egging them on. Letwin believes it is reckless behaviour and not to be tolerated.

    A little tasteless given yesterday’s news

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.wsbradio.com/news/national/louis-police-officer-killed-colleague-died-during-game-russian-roulette-authorities-say/AX8aiSm1zLKen8wXgrlUWO/amp.html
    A little tasteless to go searching for that story to try undermine an important issue here in parliament.
    A story that hasn't even made the national use here in the US (at least not this morning's breakfast news).
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    HYUFD said:

    TGOHF said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    John Rentoul predicts the Brady amendment will be defeated, he earlier predicted the Cooper amendment will pass

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1090276755871547397

    Betfair thinks he's wrong on both counts.
    Rentoul has crunched the numbers in quite some detail in his tweets, Betfair is guesswork
    Any cabinet ministers supporting Cooper ?
    Abstaining I expect
    Names will be noted. Perfidious cowards.
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    Pulpstar said:

    SNP motion about to be walloped lol

    They are the Billy no mates party in Westminster.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,914
    edited January 2019
    Pulpstar said:

    SNP motion about to be walloped lol

    I'm sure they'll be heartbroken. What do they care if they look isolated at Westminster?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,411
    Lock the doors !

    Must say Bercow has a good set of lungs on him.


  • One of the main revelations of last night's excellent BBC programme on the subject was the genuine sadness amongst the EU representatives when the referendum result came through. I was also surprised at just how much flexibility that had shown in their negotiations with Cameron. They were genuinely trying to help him.

    I agree with the sadness bit. Though the reasons for that sadness were not perhaps what you thought they were. I disagree entirely on the question of their flexibility. They gave away nothing at all. Not that they necessarily should have done but they certainly didn't help Cameron and the overriding impression they gave was one of annoyance with democracy in action.
    Indeed. I was a Remain supporter throughout the negotiations I know a number of other people who switched in part due to the negotiations failure.

    The comments the other day were Tusk smugly said how he had told Cameron the referendum was a mistake was very hubristic.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,338
    What are the odds on every amendment failing tonight?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,575
    Pushing the EU line that convicts should get the vote?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,135

    What are the odds on every amendment failing tonight?

    You should have tried to get an accumulator!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,130
    edited January 2019
    If she’d taken the Chiltern Hundreds when she was convicted, Peterborough might have had an MP to represent them tonight. Even Chris Huhne was honourable enough to do that.

    (Edit. Or this is a joke, and the correct answer is that she should get her brother to do it for her, or maybe the Russian tenant?).
  • Pushing the EU line that convicts should get the vote?
    Well, she is "in confinement".
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,411
    Winning tellers stand to the right always, didn't know that.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Barnesian said:

    Charles said:

    Barnesian said:

    Caroline Lucas has just used my "pointing a gun at your own head" analogy.

    EDIT: Here it is again in full

    My analogy is a person pointing a gun at their own head and threatening to pull the trigger and spatter the other side with blood if they don't get their own way. They are probably bluffing but they might not be, or might accidentally pull the trigger, particularly as some who are not in the line of fire are egging them on. Letwin believes it is reckless behaviour and not to be tolerated.

    A little tasteless given yesterday’s news

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.wsbradio.com/news/national/louis-police-officer-killed-colleague-died-during-game-russian-roulette-authorities-say/AX8aiSm1zLKen8wXgrlUWO/amp.html
    A little tasteless to go searching for that story to try undermine an important issue here in parliament.
    It was in the times this morning

    I don’t like people using violent analogies for political discourse. It debases us all
  • Pushing the EU line that convicts should get the vote?
    Fake news, the Hirst case was nothing to do with the EU.
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    I was wrong Plaid like the SNP.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 120,871
    edited January 2019
    SNP motion trounced 39 to 327, Labour and LDs abastained.

    Grieve amendment up now


  • One of the main revelations of last night's excellent BBC programme on the subject was the genuine sadness amongst the EU representatives when the referendum result came through. I was also surprised at just how much flexibility that had shown in their negotiations with Cameron. They were genuinely trying to help him.

    I agree with the sadness bit. Though the reasons for that sadness were not perhaps what you thought they were. I disagree entirely on the question of their flexibility. They gave away nothing at all. Not that they necessarily should have done but they certainly didn't help Cameron and the overriding impression they gave was one of annoyance with democracy in action.
    Indeed. I was a Remain supporter throughout the negotiations I know a number of other people who switched in part due to the negotiations failure.

    The comments the other day were Tusk smugly said how he had told Cameron the referendum was a mistake was very hubristic.
    Thank goodness events have proved Tusk wrong.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Pulpstar said:

    Winning tellers stand to the right always, didn't know that.

    It rather removes the suspense once you learn, doesn't it? :)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,571
    Eastenders on record

    Holby on record
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    TGOHF said:

    HYUFD said:

    TGOHF said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    John Rentoul predicts the Brady amendment will be defeated, he earlier predicted the Cooper amendment will pass

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1090276755871547397

    Betfair thinks he's wrong on both counts.
    Rentoul has crunched the numbers in quite some detail in his tweets, Betfair is guesswork
    Any cabinet ministers supporting Cooper ?
    Abstaining I expect
    Names will be noted. Perfidious cowards.
    How do you write so many posts while permanently toting a pitchfork?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,411

    Pulpstar said:

    Winning tellers stand to the right always, didn't know that.

    It rather removes the suspense once you learn, doesn't it? :)
    Wonder if any MPs are on Betfair with their "live pics" lol
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,135
    _Anazina_ said:

    TGOHF said:

    HYUFD said:

    TGOHF said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    John Rentoul predicts the Brady amendment will be defeated, he earlier predicted the Cooper amendment will pass

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1090276755871547397

    Betfair thinks he's wrong on both counts.
    Rentoul has crunched the numbers in quite some detail in his tweets, Betfair is guesswork
    Any cabinet ministers supporting Cooper ?
    Abstaining I expect
    Names will be noted. Perfidious cowards.
    How do you write so many posts while permanently toting a pitchfork?
    He puts the heads on a pike, it leaves one hand free to type with.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 120,871
    2 Labour tellers for the Grieve amendment
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,130
    edited January 2019
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Winning tellers stand to the right always, didn't know that.

    It rather removes the suspense once you learn, doesn't it? :)
    Wonder if any MPs are on Betfair with their "live pics" lol
    LOL, courtsiding in Parliament!

    Robert @rcs1000 should add the Commons to CrowdScores ;)
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    Graham Brady Old Lady has added preciously zero value to proceedings. What a chump.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,338



    One of the main revelations of last night's excellent BBC programme on the subject was the genuine sadness amongst the EU representatives when the referendum result came through. I was also surprised at just how much flexibility that had shown in their negotiations with Cameron. They were genuinely trying to help him.

    I agree with the sadness bit. Though the reasons for that sadness were not perhaps what you thought they were. I disagree entirely on the question of their flexibility. They gave away nothing at all. Not that they necessarily should have done but they certainly didn't help Cameron and the overriding impression they gave was one of annoyance with democracy in action.
    Indeed. I was a Remain supporter throughout the negotiations I know a number of other people who switched in part due to the negotiations failure.

    The comments the other day were Tusk smugly said how he had told Cameron the referendum was a mistake was very hubristic.
    Thank goodness events have proved Tusk wrong.
    :lol:
  • Didn’t know ch4 were showing this live, calling their coverage the secret lives of 5 year olds seems a bit harsh though.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,238
    Barnesian said:

    dr_spyn said:

    What is the point of electing MPs, if they devolve hard decisions to an undefined Citizens' Assembly?

    https://twitter.com/stellacreasy/status/1090321148347383808

    This proposal is barking.

    I agree. It is ridiculous.
    I’m particularly bemused that Stella Creasy, one of the brightest stars on the Labour benches, is behind it.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,575
    So do MPs want Grieve's extra six sitting days do we reckon?
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    edited January 2019
    This really is a ridiculous way of conducting Parliamentary business. Not too bad when you have one big vote, but when you have 7 ......... jeez it's slow.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,130
    Andrew said:

    This really is a ridiculous way of conducting Parliamentary business. Not too bad when you have one big vote, but when you have 7 ......... jeez it's slow.

    And there’s more than another hour of it to go. 14 minutes between divisions so far.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,571
    Surely Grieve should give a good indication of Cooper??
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,914
    Andrew said:

    This really is a ridiculous way of conducting Parliamentary business. Not too bad when you have one big vote, but when you have 7 ......... jeez it's slow.

    They have the time. Brexit may not have much time, but taking 15-20 minutes to vote on a measure, however slow, is not going to affect anything.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,352
    So far nothing has changed.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,575

    Barnesian said:

    dr_spyn said:

    What is the point of electing MPs, if they devolve hard decisions to an undefined Citizens' Assembly?

    https://twitter.com/stellacreasy/status/1090321148347383808

    This proposal is barking.

    I agree. It is ridiculous.
    I’m particularly bemused that Stella Creasy, one of the brightest stars on the Labour benches, is behind it.
    Being the brightest white dwarf on the Labour benches isn't saying much....

    Talking of which - ladies, an Earth-sized diamond!

    http://www.astronomy.com/news/2014/06/remarkable-white-dwarf-star-possibly-coldest-dimmest-ever-detected
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,914
    Jonathan said:

    So far nothing has changed.

    Thank goodness for that, I cannot abide change.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 120,871
    Grieve Amendment fails

    Votes for 301
    Votes Against 321


    Though if Cooper amendment passes it will likely be back again

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 20,972
    dr_spyn said:

    What is the point of electing MPs, if they devolve hard decisions to an undefined Citizens' Assembly?

    https://twitter.com/stellacreasy/status/1090321148347383808

    This proposal is barking.

    It's actually quite clever. They're subcontracting their entire job function back to their employers whilst keeping their salary and getting their employers to pay them for the privilege.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited January 2019
    This reminds me of when the Commons was voting on Lords reform a few year ago. There were about 10 different options and they were all rejected, even though a majority of MPs favoured change of some type.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,830
    edited January 2019
    HYUFD said:

    Grieve Amendment fails

    Votes for 301
    Votes Against 321


    Though if Cooper amendment passes it will likely be back again

    Why and how ?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,352
    So MPs vote for holiday. Who knew.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited January 2019

    Barnesian said:

    dr_spyn said:

    What is the point of electing MPs, if they devolve hard decisions to an undefined Citizens' Assembly?

    https://twitter.com/stellacreasy/status/1090321148347383808

    This proposal is barking.

    I agree. It is ridiculous.
    I’m particularly bemused that Stella Creasy, one of the brightest stars on the Labour benches, is behind it.
    Even Hubble couldn't find any talent on the Labour benches.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,238
    That’s a substantial margin. Not looking hopeful for Cooper.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,132
    Quisling Grieve has gone down!
  • No Deal here we come!!!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,571
    HYUFD said:

    Grieve Amendment fails

    Votes for 301
    Votes Against 321


    Though if Cooper amendment passes it will likely be back again

    We have been joking about Peterborough MP but it could actually come down to 310-311

    What happens if its 310-310???
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,914
    AndyJS said:

    This reminds me of when the Commons was voting on Lords reform a few year ago. There were about 10 different options and they were all rejected, even though a majority of MPs favoured change of some type

    Different that these ones, as a few did get support in the commons at least?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_of_the_House_of_Lords#Votes_of_March_2007
  • SunnyJimSunnyJim Posts: 1,106
    kinabalu said:

    Quisling Grieve has gone down!

    Good.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 120,871

    HYUFD said:

    Grieve Amendment fails

    Votes for 301
    Votes Against 321


    Though if Cooper amendment passes it will likely be back again

    Why and how ?
    As obviously if there is a Brexit extension and no change to the backstop position from the EU MPs will have to take control
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,914

    HYUFD said:

    Grieve Amendment fails

    Votes for 301
    Votes Against 321


    Though if Cooper amendment passes it will likely be back again

    We have been joking about Peterborough MP but it could actually come down to 310-311

    What happens if its 310-310???
    Bercow does whatever pisses off the government the most.
  • HYUFD said:

    Grieve Amendment fails

    Votes for 301
    Votes Against 321


    Though if Cooper amendment passes it will likely be back again

    We have been joking about Peterborough MP but it could actually come down to 310-311

    What happens if its 310-310???
    Bercow decides
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,914
    Presumably Grieve will moan about the government ignoring parliament even after his own amendment was not backed by parliament?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    edited January 2019

    Who is the MP reading the results out. I always wonder at PMQ's as she is prominent in the camera angel?

    TIA.

    Wendy Morton, Government whip I think
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,575
    If Cooper's amendment fails, it will be a rare moment of sanity in the whole sorry process.

    How can it not pass then?
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Grieve Amendment fails

    Votes for 301
    Votes Against 321


    Though if Cooper amendment passes it will likely be back again

    Why and how ?
    As obviously if there is a Brexit extension and no change to the backstop position from the EU MPs will have to take control

    The Tories are about to vote for a No Deal Brexit! Jeremy Corbyn could never have imagined this. His dream is going to come true!

  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,388

    HYUFD said:

    Grieve Amendment fails

    Votes for 301
    Votes Against 321


    Though if Cooper amendment passes it will likely be back again

    We have been joking about Peterborough MP but it could actually come down to 310-311

    What happens if its 310-310???
    Bercow decides
    But by convention he votes to keep the status quo so would presumably vote No
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    Betfair seems to think Cooper is about 20%ish.

    I wonder if you could look out for abstainers on Parliament TV and get a clue from that.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Grieve Amendment fails

    Votes for 301
    Votes Against 321


    Though if Cooper amendment passes it will likely be back again

    Why and how ?
    As obviously if there is a Brexit extension and no change to the backstop position from the EU MPs will have to take control
    Yes - vote for the deal - it has been hiding in plain sight
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,571
    kinabalu said:

    Quisling Grieve has gone down!

    Please dont use the same phrase if Cooper loses

    A picture in my head will compound my financial loss

    Although worst case is now -80
  • HYUFD said:

    Grieve Amendment fails

    Votes for 301
    Votes Against 321


    Though if Cooper amendment passes it will likely be back again

    We have been joking about Peterborough MP but it could actually come down to 310-311

    What happens if its 310-310???
    Bercow decides
    But by convention he votes to keep the status quo so would presumably vote No
    what is the status quo on an amendment to a radical change to the UK's future?
  • HYUFD said:

    Grieve Amendment fails

    Votes for 301
    Votes Against 321


    Though if Cooper amendment passes it will likely be back again

    We have been joking about Peterborough MP but it could actually come down to 310-311

    What happens if its 310-310???
    Bercow breaks Speaker Dennison's Rule.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Winning tellers stand to the right always, didn't know that.

    It rather removes the suspense once you learn, doesn't it? :)
    Wonder if any MPs are on Betfair with their "live pics" lol
    LOL, courtsiding in Parliament!

    Robert @rcs1000 should add the Commons to CrowdScores ;)
    I picked off 16 pence @ 1.02 on Grieve :D
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 120,871

    No Deal here we come!!!

    The key is the Cabinet, plenty of whom and senior Ministers oppose No Deal, if they had resigned and voted for Grieve it would have passed, as may also be the case with Cooper.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,575
    Jonathan said:

    So far nothing has changed.

    You are Theresa May, and I claim my fiver.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,914

    HYUFD said:

    Grieve Amendment fails

    Votes for 301
    Votes Against 321


    Though if Cooper amendment passes it will likely be back again

    We have been joking about Peterborough MP but it could actually come down to 310-311

    What happens if its 310-310???
    Bercow decides
    But by convention he votes to keep the status quo so would presumably vote No
    He doesn't like precedent and has openly admitted not thinking about longer term consequences to not following it. He would probably follow convention in the event of a tie, but his temperament suggests there is the possibility he would do otherwise.

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Grieve Amendment fails

    Votes for 301
    Votes Against 321


    Though if Cooper amendment passes it will likely be back again

    Why and how ?
    As obviously if there is a Brexit extension and no change to the backstop position from the EU MPs will have to take control

    The Tories are about to vote for a No Deal Brexit! Jeremy Corbyn could never have imagined this. His dream is going to come true!

    Maybe. Depends what the government does when it, again, fails to secure changes.
  • BF now almost certain that Brady passes. But whose votes? Labour abstentions and almost a perfect Tory whip?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,411
    Can't believe this amendment is going to fail after all the hype lol
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    If any of our learned friends are in how on earth did Onasanya get 3 months - with the texting as well - when her brother got 10 months when pleading guilty?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 120,871

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Grieve Amendment fails

    Votes for 301
    Votes Against 321


    Though if Cooper amendment passes it will likely be back again

    Why and how ?
    As obviously if there is a Brexit extension and no change to the backstop position from the EU MPs will have to take control

    The Tories are about to vote for a No Deal Brexit! Jeremy Corbyn could never have imagined this. His dream is going to come true!

    Unless Corbyn commits to EUref2 with a Remain option, Labour Remainers defecting to the LDs will make his dream become a nightmare
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,914
    Chris_A said:

    If any of our learned friends are in how on earth did Onasanya get 3 months - with the texting as well - when her brother got 10 months when pleading guilty?

    She's a role model.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Grieve Amendment fails

    Votes for 301
    Votes Against 321


    Though if Cooper amendment passes it will likely be back again

    Why and how ?
    As obviously if there is a Brexit extension and no change to the backstop position from the EU MPs will have to take control

    The Tories are about to vote for a No Deal Brexit! Jeremy Corbyn could never have imagined this. His dream is going to come true!

    Though if the Brady amendment passes, it is the EU who will have delivered No Deal.
  • HYUFD said:

    Grieve Amendment fails

    Votes for 301
    Votes Against 321


    Though if Cooper amendment passes it will likely be back again

    We have been joking about Peterborough MP but it could actually come down to 310-311

    What happens if its 310-310???
    Bercow decides
    But by convention he votes to keep the status quo so would presumably vote No
    You think Bercow would stick to convention?
  • kle4 said:

    Chris_A said:

    If any of our learned friends are in how on earth did Onasanya get 3 months - with the texting as well - when her brother got 10 months when pleading guilty?

    She's a role model.
    she loses a lot more going to prison
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 120,871

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Grieve Amendment fails

    Votes for 301
    Votes Against 321


    Though if Cooper amendment passes it will likely be back again

    Why and how ?
    As obviously if there is a Brexit extension and no change to the backstop position from the EU MPs will have to take control
    Yes - vote for the deal - it has been hiding in plain sight

    That is unlikely to happen unless No Dealers fear BINO or EUref2 unless the Deal passes
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    Scott_P said:

    Who is the MP reading the results out. I always wonder at PMQ's as she is prominent in the camera angel?

    TIA.

    Wendy Morton, Government whip I think
    Thank you very much.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Grieve Amendment fails

    Votes for 301
    Votes Against 321


    Though if Cooper amendment passes it will likely be back again

    Why and how ?
    As obviously if there is a Brexit extension and no change to the backstop position from the EU MPs will have to take control

    The Tories are about to vote for a No Deal Brexit! Jeremy Corbyn could never have imagined this. His dream is going to come true!

    Though if the Brady amendment passes, it is the EU who will have delivered No Deal.

    Good luck with that!!

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,571
    Scott_P said:
    Should shut Peoples Voters up at least.

  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,098

    BF now almost certain that Brady passes. But whose votes? Labour abstentions and almost a perfect Tory whip?

    Are there actually lots of Labour MPs away?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,575
    Mortimer said:

    BF now almost certain that Brady passes. But whose votes? Labour abstentions and almost a perfect Tory whip?

    Are there actually lots of Labour MPs away?
    There's only one been put away.

    Oh.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,757
    squeaky bum time for snowflake...
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