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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,071
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Spelman Amendment passes

    For 318
    Against 310

    So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!

    May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
    The EU wouldn't accept that. Parliament would have to specifically order her to revoke.
    If it's constitutional, they couldn't refuse. It would be constitutional.
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,128
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Spelman Amendment passes

    For 318
    Against 310

    So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!

    May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
    The EU wouldn't accept that. Parliament would have to specifically order her to revoke.
    What nonsense.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,249

    I vote we replace Parliament with a trained African Gray that you feed it a cracker and it goes "Nothing has changed! Nothing has changed! Who's a pretty boy then?!"

    Couldn't be worse and would be much cheaper.
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    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Spelman Amendment passes

    For 318
    Against 310

    So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!

    May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
    The will of Parliament is for a Deal yet to be determined
    Parliament has shown very clearly its will is for doing nothing, at all, for as long as possible and would you PLEASE leave us alone we're trying to avoid having an opinion about anything THANK YOU.
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    It's no deal unless those on the Labour benches, who oppose no deal, switch to supporting Mrs May's WA. Either way we are on our way out. Thank the Lord.
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    Wonder at what point the cult will realise this?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,898
    edited January 2019
    Brom said:

    TGOHF said:

    Trying to blame ‘no deal’ on remainers is just hilarious. Just utterly ridiculously laughable.

    It's up the the EU now - do they want a deal ?
    It's absolutely a realistic concession/renegotiation for the EU to make. If they won't even take another look at it then they're as complicit as the most awkward factions within parliament in allowing no deal to happen.
    And they have 39 billion reasons to at least discuss if they want to regetotiate, or if they would prefer to have no deal, no backstop and no money.
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    Scott_P said:
    Should shut Peoples Voters up at least.

    How does an MP abstain. Is it as simple as not voting, or can they walk through a lobby and spoil their paper?
    They vote by going into one or other of the lobbies, so they abstain by staying put or going somewhere else out of the chamber during the vote (or simply not go to the chamber in the first place). ISTR there was an MP a few years back who went into both lobbies as a protest or something.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Spelman Amendment passes

    For 318
    Against 310

    So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!

    May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
    The EU wouldn't accept that. Parliament would have to specifically order her to revoke.
    Would they? The Supreme Court said that Parliament had to approve triggering article 50 because it removed rights from British citizens. Revoking article 50 would not.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,010
    edited January 2019

    HYUFD said:

    Spelman Amendment passes

    For 318
    Against 310

    So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!

    Isn't it only "advisory"? Has no force, when push comes to shove......
    Though May herself reportedly told Ministers last week she would rule out No Deal, she now has a Commons mandate for that
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,704
    The Spellman vote pushes May's deal 'back' on the table as a last option....sigh...here we go again.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,775
    1 Lab MP voted for the SNP amendment, 2 against Corbyn's. I don't recall Jim Fitzpatrick.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,283

    It's no deal unless those on the Labour benches, who oppose no deal, switch to supporting Mrs May's WA. Either way we are on our way out. Thank the Lord.

    Don't be so sure. A large part of the Cabinet has held its fire tonight, on a promise that looks hard to deliver.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,010
    edited January 2019
    dr_spyn said:
    All will surely be targets for deselection by People's Voters and Labour Remainers
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,775
    alex. said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Spelman Amendment passes

    For 318
    Against 310

    So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!

    May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
    The EU wouldn't accept that. Parliament would have to specifically order her to revoke.
    Would they? The Supreme Court said that Parliament had to approve triggering article 50 because it removed rights from British citizens. Revoking article 50 would not.
    It seems pretty clear the Court would be asked by someone to answer that question, if it were to be attempted.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Spelman supports May's deal does she not I think ?
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850

    HYUFD said:

    Spelman Amendment passes

    For 318
    Against 310

    So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!

    May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
    Debateable legally, and impossible politically.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,793

    HYUFD said:

    Spelman Amendment passes

    For 318
    Against 310

    So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without voting for any of the means to stop it!

    Get in there
    It's advisory. It cannot compel Parliament to vote for a deal, it cannot compel Government to ask for a different deal, it cannot compel the EU to offer a different deal. So it's gesture politics.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,249
    Chris said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Spelman Amendment passes

    For 318
    Against 310

    So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!

    May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
    The EU wouldn't accept that. Parliament would have to specifically order her to revoke.
    What nonsense.
    How? The ruling demanded 'in accordance with our constitutional requirements.' In case you hadn't noticed there is a law saying we leave the EU two months from today. That would have to be repealed and a new law instructing the Government to revoke passed.

    I can't help it if you and @williamglenn don't like facts. When it comes to your posts, however, I don't know why you think random abuse is a substitute for reasoned arguments.
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    steve_garnersteve_garner Posts: 1,019
    There may be stronger words between Labour MPs tonight!
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,283

    HYUFD said:

    Spelman Amendment passes

    For 318
    Against 310

    So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!

    Isn't it only "advisory"? Has no force, when push comes to shove......
    That's the thing with votes that are just advisory.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Spelman Amendment passes

    For 318
    Against 310

    So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!

    Isn't it only "advisory"? Has no force, when push comes to shove......
    Though May herself reportedly told Ministers last week she would rule out No Deal, she now has a Commons mandate for that
    What does that Spellman amendment mandate her to actually DO though?
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Danny565 said:

    Alistair said:

    So the non binding advisory amendment with no force goes through?

    What a shock.

    Responsibility shirking wankers.

    Much as I hate the term, the Spelman amendement really is "virtue signalling".
    Exactly what I said on another chat board.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,010

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Spelman Amendment passes

    For 318
    Against 310

    So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!

    May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
    The will of Parliament is for a Deal yet to be determined
    Parliament has shown very clearly its will is for doing nothing, at all, for as long as possible and would you PLEASE leave us alone we're trying to avoid having an opinion about anything THANK YOU.
    I am beginning to come round to a 'Citizens' Assembly', they might actually come to a decision and we would not have to pay them £70k a year each of taxpayers money to avoid making up their mind
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Commons in student union mode tonight, voting against bad stuff, but not voting to do anything about it.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    HYUFD said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All will surely be targets for deselection by People's Voters and Labour Remainers
    Skinner out... that will confuse Momentum.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,071
    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Spelman Amendment passes

    For 318
    Against 310

    So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!

    May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
    Debateable legally, and impossible politically.
    It's impossible politically until it's inevitable politically. The pressure just needs to become high enough.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,249

    Commons in student union mode tonight, voting against bad stuff, but not voting to do anything about it.

    I think that's very unfair. Aberystwyth Students' Union did pass one good law, back in 1967.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,010

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Spelman Amendment passes

    For 318
    Against 310

    So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!

    Isn't it only "advisory"? Has no force, when push comes to shove......
    Though May herself reportedly told Ministers last week she would rule out No Deal, she now has a Commons mandate for that
    What does that Spellman amendment mandate her to actually DO though?
    Anything to stop No Deal but that 'anything' not yet defined and up to May
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,283
    rpjs said:

    Scott_P said:
    Should shut Peoples Voters up at least.

    How does an MP abstain. Is it as simple as not voting, or can they walk through a lobby and spoil their paper?
    They vote by going into one or other of the lobbies, so they abstain by staying put or going somewhere else out of the chamber during the vote (or simply not go to the chamber in the first place). ISTR there was an MP a few years back who went into both lobbies as a protest or something.
    I think you just made that up.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited January 2019
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Spelman Amendment passes

    For 318
    Against 310

    So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!

    May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
    The will of Parliament is for a Deal yet to be determined
    Parliament has shown very clearly its will is for doing nothing, at all, for as long as possible and would you PLEASE leave us alone we're trying to avoid having an opinion about anything THANK YOU.
    I am beginning to come round to a 'Citizens' Assembly', they might actually come to a decision and we would not have to pay them £70k a year each of taxpayers money to avoid making up their mind
    Bad that MPs are, I really don’t fancy Maureen from margate, mr stop brexit and yellow vest twat deciding this, cos they are the sort of people who would be motivated to be part such an assembly.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,249
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Spelman Amendment passes

    For 318
    Against 310

    So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!

    Isn't it only "advisory"? Has no force, when push comes to shove......
    Though May herself reportedly told Ministers last week she would rule out No Deal, she now has a Commons mandate for that
    What does that Spellman amendment mandate her to actually DO though?
    Anything to stop No Deal but that 'anything' not yet defined and up to May
    Too late then, we leave in March :smile:
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,869

    Wonder at what point the cult will realise this?
    Wonder at what point Dan will give up on predictions
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    HYUFD said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All will surely be targets for deselection by People's Voters and Labour Remainers
    And all will surely be targets for a seat in the Lords in May's resignation honous list - if they vote for her Deal......
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    alex. said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Spelman Amendment passes

    For 318
    Against 310

    So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!

    May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
    The EU wouldn't accept that. Parliament would have to specifically order her to revoke.
    Would they? The Supreme Court said that Parliament had to approve triggering article 50 because it removed rights from British citizens. Revoking article 50 would not.
    It's not just A50. Parliament has also voted to repeal the ECA 1972
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited January 2019
    I strikes me that had a lot of unlikely events not occurred we almost certainly would not be leaving right now. It's almost like destiny.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,283

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Spelman Amendment passes

    For 318
    Against 310

    So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!

    May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
    The will of Parliament is for a Deal yet to be determined
    Parliament has shown very clearly its will is for doing nothing, at all, for as long as possible and would you PLEASE leave us alone we're trying to avoid having an opinion about anything THANK YOU.
    I am beginning to come round to a 'Citizens' Assembly', they might actually come to a decision and we would not have to pay them £70k a year each of taxpayers money to avoid making up their mind
    Bad that MPs are, I really don’t fancy Maureen from margate, mr stop brexit and yellow vest twat deciding this.
    It would be like asking SeanT to decide.
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    IanB2 said:

    rpjs said:

    Scott_P said:
    Should shut Peoples Voters up at least.

    How does an MP abstain. Is it as simple as not voting, or can they walk through a lobby and spoil their paper?
    They vote by going into one or other of the lobbies, so they abstain by staying put or going somewhere else out of the chamber during the vote (or simply not go to the chamber in the first place). ISTR there was an MP a few years back who went into both lobbies as a protest or something.
    I think you just made that up.
    Nope: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-21591602
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    Sean_F said:

    alex. said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Spelman Amendment passes

    For 318
    Against 310

    So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!

    May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
    The EU wouldn't accept that. Parliament would have to specifically order her to revoke.
    Would they? The Supreme Court said that Parliament had to approve triggering article 50 because it removed rights from British citizens. Revoking article 50 would not.
    It's not just A50. Parliament has also voted to repeal the ECA 1972
    But has that part of the withdrawal act been commenced yet?
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    Commons in student union mode tonight, voting against bad stuff, but not voting to do anything about it.

    image
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,249
    IanB2 said:

    rpjs said:

    Scott_P said:
    Should shut Peoples Voters up at least.

    How does an MP abstain. Is it as simple as not voting, or can they walk through a lobby and spoil their paper?
    They vote by going into one or other of the lobbies, so they abstain by staying put or going somewhere else out of the chamber during the vote (or simply not go to the chamber in the first place). ISTR there was an MP a few years back who went into both lobbies as a protest or something.
    I think you just made that up.
    Nope, it was over same-sex marriage, and there were five of them:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21591602
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,793
    Sandpit said:

    Brom said:

    TGOHF said:

    Trying to blame ‘no deal’ on remainers is just hilarious. Just utterly ridiculously laughable.

    It's up the the EU now - do they want a deal ?
    It's absolutely a realistic concession/renegotiation for the EU to make. If they won't even take another look at it then they're as complicit as the most awkward factions within parliament in allowing no deal to happen.
    And they have 39 billion reasons to at least discuss if they want to regetotiate, or if they would prefer to have no deal, no backstop and no money.
    Parenthetically, at this level money is meaningless. They own the bank. They can just inflate the Euro and let money illusion plug the gap.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    Sean_F said:

    alex. said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Spelman Amendment passes

    For 318
    Against 310

    So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!

    May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
    The EU wouldn't accept that. Parliament would have to specifically order her to revoke.
    Would they? The Supreme Court said that Parliament had to approve triggering article 50 because it removed rights from British citizens. Revoking article 50 would not.
    It's not just A50. Parliament has also voted to repeal the ECA 1972
    It needs primary legislation to revoke, but the date can be amended without. Parliament just voted against changing the date.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Spelman Amendment passes

    For 318
    Against 310

    So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!

    Isn't it only "advisory"? Has no force, when push comes to shove......
    Though May herself reportedly told Ministers last week she would rule out No Deal, she now has a Commons mandate for that
    What does that Spellman amendment mandate her to actually DO though?
    Anything to stop No Deal but that 'anything' not yet defined and up to May
    So one little non-binding advisory amendment has empowered May to become a Benevolent Dictator to prevent No Deal how she so decides? Wow, who knew?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,071

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Spelman Amendment passes

    For 318
    Against 310

    So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!

    May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
    The will of Parliament is for a Deal yet to be determined
    Parliament has shown very clearly its will is for doing nothing, at all, for as long as possible and would you PLEASE leave us alone we're trying to avoid having an opinion about anything THANK YOU.
    I am beginning to come round to a 'Citizens' Assembly', they might actually come to a decision and we would not have to pay them £70k a year each of taxpayers money to avoid making up their mind
    Bad that MPs are, I really don’t fancy Maureen from margate, mr stop brexit and yellow vest twat deciding this, cos they are the sort of people who would be motivated to be part such an assembly.
    They'd be called up like jury service, so the process should avoid filling the assembly with partisans of either side.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Please let Bercow have casting vote.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,898
    ydoethur said:

    Commons in student union mode tonight, voting against bad stuff, but not voting to do anything about it.

    I think that's very unfair. Aberystwyth Students' Union did pass one good law, back in 1967.
    In 1996 they voted to ban KitKats from being sold in the Union’s shop. That takes some beating.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,775

    Wonder at what point the cult will realise this?
    Wonder at what point Dan will give up on predictions
    Pundits never stop, no matter how often they are wrong.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Brom said:

    TGOHF said:

    Trying to blame ‘no deal’ on remainers is just hilarious. Just utterly ridiculously laughable.

    It's up the the EU now - do they want a deal ?
    It's absolutely a realistic concession/renegotiation for the EU to make. If they won't even take another look at it then they're as complicit as the most awkward factions within parliament in allowing no deal to happen.
    And they have 39 billion reasons to at least discuss if they want to regetotiate, or if they would prefer to have no deal, no backstop and no money.
    Parenthetically, at this level money is meaningless. They own the bank. They can just inflate the Euro and let money illusion plug the gap.
    Hmm, it's quite a bit more difficult for the EU to do that.
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    BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    Surprised to see Jo Johnson didn't vote for Cooper's amendment. That's a bit of a blow to the People's Vote campaign.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,283
    rpjs said:

    IanB2 said:

    rpjs said:

    Scott_P said:
    Should shut Peoples Voters up at least.

    How does an MP abstain. Is it as simple as not voting, or can they walk through a lobby and spoil their paper?
    They vote by going into one or other of the lobbies, so they abstain by staying put or going somewhere else out of the chamber during the vote (or simply not go to the chamber in the first place). ISTR there was an MP a few years back who went into both lobbies as a protest or something.
    I think you just made that up.
    Nope: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-21591602
    Did you read the article? Voting analysis website the Public Whip documents hundreds of instances of voting both ways since 1997, when its records begin.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,793

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Spelman Amendment passes

    For 318
    Against 310

    So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!

    May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
    The will of Parliament is for a Deal yet to be determined
    Parliament has shown very clearly its will is for doing nothing, at all, for as long as possible and would you PLEASE leave us alone we're trying to avoid having an opinion about anything THANK YOU.
    I am beginning to come round to a 'Citizens' Assembly', they might actually come to a decision and we would not have to pay them £70k a year each of taxpayers money to avoid making up their mind
    Bad that MPs are, I really don’t fancy Maureen from margate, mr stop brexit and yellow vest twat deciding this, cos they are the sort of people who would be motivated to be part such an assembly.
    I like the "Citizen's Jury" concept, where they are chosen at random.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,249
    dr_spyn said:

    HYUFD said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All will surely be targets for deselection by People's Voters and Labour Remainers
    Skinner out... that will confuse Momentum.
    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1090346935989555200
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,249
    edited January 2019
    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    alex. said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Spelman Amendment passes

    For 318
    Against 310

    So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!

    May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
    The EU wouldn't accept that. Parliament would have to specifically order her to revoke.
    Would they? The Supreme Court said that Parliament had to approve triggering article 50 because it removed rights from British citizens. Revoking article 50 would not.
    It's not just A50. Parliament has also voted to repeal the ECA 1972
    It needs primary legislation to revoke, but the date can be amended without. Parliament just voted against changing the date.
    But the date on its own cannot be amended without the consent of the EU.

    So it's as-you-were.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,071
    Brom said:

    Surprised to see Jo Johnson didn't vote for Cooper's amendment. That's a bit of a blow to the People's Vote campaign.

    Many of the People's Vote people think they need to let the pressure build so it's logical to avoid an extension at this stage.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,704
    Brady wins!!
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,283
    Brom said:

    Surprised to see Jo Johnson didn't vote for Cooper's amendment. That's a bit of a blow to the People's Vote campaign.

    As I said below, the only story from tonight is that May has bought herself another two weeks.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,775
    Breaking headline of MPs rejecting No deal brexit feels a little premature.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,898
    317-301 in favour of Brady’s Amendment.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,249

    dr_spyn said:

    HYUFD said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All will surely be targets for deselection by People's Voters and Labour Remainers
    Skinner out... that will confuse Momentum.
    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1090346935989555200
    They're getting all Bolsie now.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,010
    Brady Amendment passes

    For 317
    Against 301

    Thus the unicorn no backstop Deal proposal goes to the EU next week, they will almost certainly reject it and the Commons must now either get behind May's Deal as it stands or they own a No Deal they supposedly voted against tonight
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    steve_garnersteve_garner Posts: 1,019

    Brom said:

    Surprised to see Jo Johnson didn't vote for Cooper's amendment. That's a bit of a blow to the People's Vote campaign.

    Many of the People's Vote people think they need to let the pressure build so it's logical to avoid an extension at this stage.
    Starting to sound a little desperate now.
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    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Spelman Amendment passes

    For 318
    Against 310

    So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!

    May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
    The will of Parliament is for a Deal yet to be determined
    Parliament has shown very clearly its will is for doing nothing, at all, for as long as possible and would you PLEASE leave us alone we're trying to avoid having an opinion about anything THANK YOU.
    I am beginning to come round to a 'Citizens' Assembly', they might actually come to a decision and we would not have to pay them £70k a year each of taxpayers money to avoid making up their mind
    Bad that MPs are, I really don’t fancy Maureen from margate, mr stop brexit and yellow vest twat deciding this, cos they are the sort of people who would be motivated to be part such an assembly.
    I like the "Citizen's Jury" concept, where they are chosen at random.
    Hopefully not the same kind of jury that couldn’t work out if a mystery Russian took an MPs Nissan micra for a joyride!
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    If no deal happens it will be by the same logic as war in 1914.

    People don't want no deal. They just don't want to avoid no deal enough.
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    The UNICORNS have it, the UNICORNS have it.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    A good day in the office for May. Off she goes unicorn hunting.
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    BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    Brom said:

    Surprised to see Jo Johnson didn't vote for Cooper's amendment. That's a bit of a blow to the People's Vote campaign.

    Many of the People's Vote people think they need to let the pressure build so it's logical to avoid an extension at this stage.
    That message didnt get across to all the others then
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    El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 3,870
    Frankly I hope Europe tells “us” to piss off.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,775
    IanB2 said:

    Brom said:

    Surprised to see Jo Johnson didn't vote for Cooper's amendment. That's a bit of a blow to the People's Vote campaign.

    As I said below, the only story from tonight is that May has bought herself another two weeks.
    Bully for her. Gets her ever closer to overtaking Spencer Percival in the PMs by tenure list. Not much else though.
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    ArtistArtist Posts: 1,882
    Only a small number of Tory rebels said the backstop was the main problem with the deal.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,079
    🦄
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,898
    PM is going back to Brussels to try and renegotiate the backstop. Good luck Theresa!
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,972
    Can kicked with a flourish again...
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,249
    Sandpit said:

    317-301 in favour of Brady’s Amendment.

    So, May has to go back to EU.

    Big deal.

    Unless someone can tell us different, it is a total non-event.

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    It's war with Ireland !
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    So with a majority of 16, I think the EU should chance it and give some ground on the backstop. That would be enough to get the deal over the line and enough to ram through all of the follow up legislation, especially if the deal gets through. The Tory hold outs would also get on board.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,249
    dr_spyn said:
    Which is still as relevant as the eunuchs and the condoms.

    I don't like Barnier, or Juncker, or Selmayr, or indeed any drunken Fascists.

    But I will have a certain sympathy with them when they say crossly 'which part of "we will not renegotiate" are you too fucking stupid to understand?'
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    The British are coming! The British are coming!

    Quick lads, hide the unicorns.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Sandpit said:

    PM is going back to Brussels to try and renegotiate the backstop. Good luck Theresa!

    Will she even get on the aircraft, or will the EU scupper it before she sits down in the Commons?
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,704
    Artist said:

    Only a small number of Tory rebels said the backstop was the main problem with the deal.

    Overvoted by this amendment clearly.
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    eekeek Posts: 24,981
    So it's a unicorn or anything that is NOT No Deal....

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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    I think @TheScreamingEagles estimation of No Deal Brexit is rather on the low side now.

    Un fucking believable.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,249

    Sandpit said:

    PM is going back to Brussels to try and renegotiate the backstop. Good luck Theresa!

    Will she even get on the aircraft, or will the EU scupper it before she sits down in the Commons?
    She'll go anyway. Just for the TV pics.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,869
    Corbyn blinks
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,793
    MaxPB said:

    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Brom said:

    TGOHF said:

    Trying to blame ‘no deal’ on remainers is just hilarious. Just utterly ridiculously laughable.

    It's up the the EU now - do they want a deal ?
    It's absolutely a realistic concession/renegotiation for the EU to make. If they won't even take another look at it then they're as complicit as the most awkward factions within parliament in allowing no deal to happen.
    And they have 39 billion reasons to at least discuss if they want to regetotiate, or if they would prefer to have no deal, no backstop and no money.
    Parenthetically, at this level money is meaningless. They own the bank. They can just inflate the Euro and let money illusion plug the gap.
    Hmm, it's quite a bit more difficult for the EU to do that.
    You know more about this than I do, but I remember the chaos around 2010-11 when they were just throwing institutions and funds together, all acronyms beginning with "E", to cope with the Greece not-a-default and associated shrapnel. I didn't know whether to be impressed or horrified.
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Would a time-limited backstop (or equivalent regulatory conformance clause) meet the requirements of the Brady amendment, or does it require the wholesale removal of the backstop?

    Asking for a friend who's too lazy to google it.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,249

    Sandpit said:

    317-301 in favour of Brady’s Amendment.

    So, May has to go back to EU.

    Big deal.

    Unless someone can tell us different, it is a total non-event.

    It may give Tory loyalists the horn.

    Pause.

    Ah, my coat...
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Jeremy Corbyn redefining meeting of "emphatic"
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,010
    edited January 2019
    May speaking and suggesting moves on workers rights to also try and win Labour MPs votes for the Deal
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,704
    Corbyn looks like someone kicked his tofu...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Very gracious by May

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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,249
    MaxPB said:

    So with a majority of 16, I think the EU should chance it and give some ground on the backstop. That would be enough to get the deal over the line and enough to ram through all of the follow up legislation, especially if the deal gets through. The Tory hold outs would also get on board.

    What ground?
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