I vote we replace Parliament with a trained African Gray that you feed it a cracker and it goes "Nothing has changed! Nothing has changed! Who's a pretty boy then?!"
So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!
May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
The will of Parliament is for a Deal yet to be determined
Parliament has shown very clearly its will is for doing nothing, at all, for as long as possible and would you PLEASE leave us alone we're trying to avoid having an opinion about anything THANK YOU.
It's no deal unless those on the Labour benches, who oppose no deal, switch to supporting Mrs May's WA. Either way we are on our way out. Thank the Lord.
Trying to blame ‘no deal’ on remainers is just hilarious. Just utterly ridiculously laughable.
It's up the the EU now - do they want a deal ?
It's absolutely a realistic concession/renegotiation for the EU to make. If they won't even take another look at it then they're as complicit as the most awkward factions within parliament in allowing no deal to happen.
And they have 39 billion reasons to at least discuss if they want to regetotiate, or if they would prefer to have no deal, no backstop and no money.
How does an MP abstain. Is it as simple as not voting, or can they walk through a lobby and spoil their paper?
They vote by going into one or other of the lobbies, so they abstain by staying put or going somewhere else out of the chamber during the vote (or simply not go to the chamber in the first place). ISTR there was an MP a few years back who went into both lobbies as a protest or something.
So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!
May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
The EU wouldn't accept that. Parliament would have to specifically order her to revoke.
Would they? The Supreme Court said that Parliament had to approve triggering article 50 because it removed rights from British citizens. Revoking article 50 would not.
It's no deal unless those on the Labour benches, who oppose no deal, switch to supporting Mrs May's WA. Either way we are on our way out. Thank the Lord.
Don't be so sure. A large part of the Cabinet has held its fire tonight, on a promise that looks hard to deliver.
So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!
May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
The EU wouldn't accept that. Parliament would have to specifically order her to revoke.
Would they? The Supreme Court said that Parliament had to approve triggering article 50 because it removed rights from British citizens. Revoking article 50 would not.
It seems pretty clear the Court would be asked by someone to answer that question, if it were to be attempted.
So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without voting for any of the means to stop it!
Get in there
It's advisory. It cannot compel Parliament to vote for a deal, it cannot compel Government to ask for a different deal, it cannot compel the EU to offer a different deal. So it's gesture politics.
So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!
May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
The EU wouldn't accept that. Parliament would have to specifically order her to revoke.
What nonsense.
How? The ruling demanded 'in accordance with our constitutional requirements.' In case you hadn't noticed there is a law saying we leave the EU two months from today. That would have to be repealed and a new law instructing the Government to revoke passed.
I can't help it if you and @williamglenn don't like facts. When it comes to your posts, however, I don't know why you think random abuse is a substitute for reasoned arguments.
So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!
May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
The will of Parliament is for a Deal yet to be determined
Parliament has shown very clearly its will is for doing nothing, at all, for as long as possible and would you PLEASE leave us alone we're trying to avoid having an opinion about anything THANK YOU.
I am beginning to come round to a 'Citizens' Assembly', they might actually come to a decision and we would not have to pay them £70k a year each of taxpayers money to avoid making up their mind
How does an MP abstain. Is it as simple as not voting, or can they walk through a lobby and spoil their paper?
They vote by going into one or other of the lobbies, so they abstain by staying put or going somewhere else out of the chamber during the vote (or simply not go to the chamber in the first place). ISTR there was an MP a few years back who went into both lobbies as a protest or something.
So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!
May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
The will of Parliament is for a Deal yet to be determined
Parliament has shown very clearly its will is for doing nothing, at all, for as long as possible and would you PLEASE leave us alone we're trying to avoid having an opinion about anything THANK YOU.
I am beginning to come round to a 'Citizens' Assembly', they might actually come to a decision and we would not have to pay them £70k a year each of taxpayers money to avoid making up their mind
Bad that MPs are, I really don’t fancy Maureen from margate, mr stop brexit and yellow vest twat deciding this, cos they are the sort of people who would be motivated to be part such an assembly.
So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!
May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
The EU wouldn't accept that. Parliament would have to specifically order her to revoke.
Would they? The Supreme Court said that Parliament had to approve triggering article 50 because it removed rights from British citizens. Revoking article 50 would not.
It's not just A50. Parliament has also voted to repeal the ECA 1972
So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!
May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
The will of Parliament is for a Deal yet to be determined
Parliament has shown very clearly its will is for doing nothing, at all, for as long as possible and would you PLEASE leave us alone we're trying to avoid having an opinion about anything THANK YOU.
I am beginning to come round to a 'Citizens' Assembly', they might actually come to a decision and we would not have to pay them £70k a year each of taxpayers money to avoid making up their mind
Bad that MPs are, I really don’t fancy Maureen from margate, mr stop brexit and yellow vest twat deciding this.
How does an MP abstain. Is it as simple as not voting, or can they walk through a lobby and spoil their paper?
They vote by going into one or other of the lobbies, so they abstain by staying put or going somewhere else out of the chamber during the vote (or simply not go to the chamber in the first place). ISTR there was an MP a few years back who went into both lobbies as a protest or something.
So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!
May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
The EU wouldn't accept that. Parliament would have to specifically order her to revoke.
Would they? The Supreme Court said that Parliament had to approve triggering article 50 because it removed rights from British citizens. Revoking article 50 would not.
It's not just A50. Parliament has also voted to repeal the ECA 1972
But has that part of the withdrawal act been commenced yet?
How does an MP abstain. Is it as simple as not voting, or can they walk through a lobby and spoil their paper?
They vote by going into one or other of the lobbies, so they abstain by staying put or going somewhere else out of the chamber during the vote (or simply not go to the chamber in the first place). ISTR there was an MP a few years back who went into both lobbies as a protest or something.
I think you just made that up.
Nope, it was over same-sex marriage, and there were five of them:
Trying to blame ‘no deal’ on remainers is just hilarious. Just utterly ridiculously laughable.
It's up the the EU now - do they want a deal ?
It's absolutely a realistic concession/renegotiation for the EU to make. If they won't even take another look at it then they're as complicit as the most awkward factions within parliament in allowing no deal to happen.
And they have 39 billion reasons to at least discuss if they want to regetotiate, or if they would prefer to have no deal, no backstop and no money.
Parenthetically, at this level money is meaningless. They own the bank. They can just inflate the Euro and let money illusion plug the gap.
So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!
May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
The EU wouldn't accept that. Parliament would have to specifically order her to revoke.
Would they? The Supreme Court said that Parliament had to approve triggering article 50 because it removed rights from British citizens. Revoking article 50 would not.
It's not just A50. Parliament has also voted to repeal the ECA 1972
It needs primary legislation to revoke, but the date can be amended without. Parliament just voted against changing the date.
So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!
May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
The will of Parliament is for a Deal yet to be determined
Parliament has shown very clearly its will is for doing nothing, at all, for as long as possible and would you PLEASE leave us alone we're trying to avoid having an opinion about anything THANK YOU.
I am beginning to come round to a 'Citizens' Assembly', they might actually come to a decision and we would not have to pay them £70k a year each of taxpayers money to avoid making up their mind
Bad that MPs are, I really don’t fancy Maureen from margate, mr stop brexit and yellow vest twat deciding this, cos they are the sort of people who would be motivated to be part such an assembly.
They'd be called up like jury service, so the process should avoid filling the assembly with partisans of either side.
Trying to blame ‘no deal’ on remainers is just hilarious. Just utterly ridiculously laughable.
It's up the the EU now - do they want a deal ?
It's absolutely a realistic concession/renegotiation for the EU to make. If they won't even take another look at it then they're as complicit as the most awkward factions within parliament in allowing no deal to happen.
And they have 39 billion reasons to at least discuss if they want to regetotiate, or if they would prefer to have no deal, no backstop and no money.
Parenthetically, at this level money is meaningless. They own the bank. They can just inflate the Euro and let money illusion plug the gap.
Hmm, it's quite a bit more difficult for the EU to do that.
How does an MP abstain. Is it as simple as not voting, or can they walk through a lobby and spoil their paper?
They vote by going into one or other of the lobbies, so they abstain by staying put or going somewhere else out of the chamber during the vote (or simply not go to the chamber in the first place). ISTR there was an MP a few years back who went into both lobbies as a protest or something.
Did you read the article? Voting analysis website the Public Whip documents hundreds of instances of voting both ways since 1997, when its records begin.
So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!
May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
The will of Parliament is for a Deal yet to be determined
Parliament has shown very clearly its will is for doing nothing, at all, for as long as possible and would you PLEASE leave us alone we're trying to avoid having an opinion about anything THANK YOU.
I am beginning to come round to a 'Citizens' Assembly', they might actually come to a decision and we would not have to pay them £70k a year each of taxpayers money to avoid making up their mind
Bad that MPs are, I really don’t fancy Maureen from margate, mr stop brexit and yellow vest twat deciding this, cos they are the sort of people who would be motivated to be part such an assembly.
I like the "Citizen's Jury" concept, where they are chosen at random.
So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!
May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
The EU wouldn't accept that. Parliament would have to specifically order her to revoke.
Would they? The Supreme Court said that Parliament had to approve triggering article 50 because it removed rights from British citizens. Revoking article 50 would not.
It's not just A50. Parliament has also voted to repeal the ECA 1972
It needs primary legislation to revoke, but the date can be amended without. Parliament just voted against changing the date.
But the date on its own cannot be amended without the consent of the EU.
Thus the unicorn no backstop Deal proposal goes to the EU next week, they will almost certainly reject it and the Commons must now either get behind May's Deal as it stands or they own a No Deal they supposedly voted against tonight
So the Commons has voted against No Deal but without yet voting for any of the means to stop it!
May can stop it by revoking article 50. If there's no deal, that will be the will of parliament by default.
The will of Parliament is for a Deal yet to be determined
Parliament has shown very clearly its will is for doing nothing, at all, for as long as possible and would you PLEASE leave us alone we're trying to avoid having an opinion about anything THANK YOU.
I am beginning to come round to a 'Citizens' Assembly', they might actually come to a decision and we would not have to pay them £70k a year each of taxpayers money to avoid making up their mind
Bad that MPs are, I really don’t fancy Maureen from margate, mr stop brexit and yellow vest twat deciding this, cos they are the sort of people who would be motivated to be part such an assembly.
I like the "Citizen's Jury" concept, where they are chosen at random.
Hopefully not the same kind of jury that couldn’t work out if a mystery Russian took an MPs Nissan micra for a joyride!
So with a majority of 16, I think the EU should chance it and give some ground on the backstop. That would be enough to get the deal over the line and enough to ram through all of the follow up legislation, especially if the deal gets through. The Tory hold outs would also get on board.
Trying to blame ‘no deal’ on remainers is just hilarious. Just utterly ridiculously laughable.
It's up the the EU now - do they want a deal ?
It's absolutely a realistic concession/renegotiation for the EU to make. If they won't even take another look at it then they're as complicit as the most awkward factions within parliament in allowing no deal to happen.
And they have 39 billion reasons to at least discuss if they want to regetotiate, or if they would prefer to have no deal, no backstop and no money.
Parenthetically, at this level money is meaningless. They own the bank. They can just inflate the Euro and let money illusion plug the gap.
Hmm, it's quite a bit more difficult for the EU to do that.
You know more about this than I do, but I remember the chaos around 2010-11 when they were just throwing institutions and funds together, all acronyms beginning with "E", to cope with the Greece not-a-default and associated shrapnel. I didn't know whether to be impressed or horrified.
Would a time-limited backstop (or equivalent regulatory conformance clause) meet the requirements of the Brady amendment, or does it require the wholesale removal of the backstop?
So with a majority of 16, I think the EU should chance it and give some ground on the backstop. That would be enough to get the deal over the line and enough to ram through all of the follow up legislation, especially if the deal gets through. The Tory hold outs would also get on board.
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I can't help it if you and @williamglenn don't like facts. When it comes to your posts, however, I don't know why you think random abuse is a substitute for reasoned arguments.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21591602
So it's as-you-were.
For 317
Against 301
Thus the unicorn no backstop Deal proposal goes to the EU next week, they will almost certainly reject it and the Commons must now either get behind May's Deal as it stands or they own a No Deal they supposedly voted against tonight
People don't want no deal. They just don't want to avoid no deal enough.
Big deal.
Unless someone can tell us different, it is a total non-event.
I don't like Barnier, or Juncker, or Selmayr, or indeed any drunken Fascists.
But I will have a certain sympathy with them when they say crossly 'which part of "we will not renegotiate" are you too fucking stupid to understand?'
Quick lads, hide the unicorns.
Un fucking believable.
Asking for a friend who's too lazy to google it.
Pause.
Ah, my coat...
Such a genius.