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  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,251
    EPG said:

    Let's give credit to Tim Farron. Written off, lots of speculation about an English wipe out, even by me for about 90 minutes. Instead he's going to gain seats.

    On a betting website, people should really eschew their desired position from the reality.
  • Ishmael_Z
    Ishmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    jonny83 said:

    People clamouring for Boris when we are about to go into some of the most important negotiations this country has had for years. I don't get it...

    Yes the EU certainly don't take him seriously.
  • hunchman
    hunchman Posts: 2,591
    edited June 2017

    Amber Rudd byebye

    Good riddance Amber Augusta Rudd
  • another_richard
    another_richard Posts: 27,927

    MaxPB said:

    Seriously, how did we lose Canterbury? That's true blue rinse territory.

    The second sentence answers your first, perhaps.
    Seriously, can somebody explain to me what went wrong in Canterbury? Local issues? A scandal?

    What was it?
    Lots of students
    Lots of old people with expensive houses
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Salmond chatting sh*t on the BBC right now.
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Cyclefree said:


    God knows what it means for Brexit. An even bigger FUBAR than before, I expect.

    May your children live in interesting times......
  • Bobajob_PB
    Bobajob_PB Posts: 928
    Has Amber Rudd LOST Hastings??
  • TheWhiteRabbit
    TheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455

    EPG said:

    Let's give credit to Tim Farron. Written off, lots of speculation about an English wipe out, even by me for about 90 minutes. Instead he's going to gain seats.

    On a betting website, people should really eschew their desired position from the reality.
    Confident my bet <28.5 seats is a winner
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    SeanT said:

    Dreadful night for Tories and Nats. I'm feeling bipolar.

    Feeling a little numb.. but life goes on!
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    HYUFD said:

    We must find a way to get Ruth Davidson in parliament, and then as PM. The only sensible senior Tories these days.

    Boris leader at Westminster, Davidson staying as leader in Scotland is clearly the best electoral combination for Tories. Goodnight
    Boris is definitely not the best option for the Tories. Everyone likes a jester, unless they're uncharge of their life.
  • Devonblue
    Devonblue Posts: 6
    Exeter classic university case. Never known anything like it, only posters I saw across the whole city were for Ben Bradshaw, including plenty in St Leonard's (where consultants & professors live). Not a single Tory poster, unlike 2015.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Mortimer said:

    Really cant see how Tories get any better than Exit Poll

    Scotland is 4 or 5 better than the exit poll expected, I think.

    321, 322, 323, 324 possible.
    No, 320 is the ceiling. I think we'll be on 315 with 10 unionists helping us get a queens speech through.
  • hunchman
    hunchman Posts: 2,591

    MaxPB said:

    Seriously, how did we lose Canterbury? That's true blue rinse territory.

    The second sentence answers your first, perhaps.
    Seriously, can somebody explain to me what went wrong in Canterbury? Local issues? A scandal?

    What was it?
    Lots of students
    Lots of old people with expensive houses
    Who is the Labour MP for Canterbury? A 20 year old student?!
  • Well that's West Tyrone. Thank feck. Can get to the canteen counter now
  • GeoffM
    GeoffM Posts: 6,071
    rcs1000 said:

    LDs up to 9, and O&S still to report.

    Sorry for LDs < 10

    Bugger
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    Who would have bet that Lamb and Brake would hold on, but that Mulholland and Clegg would go?
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    I'm glad the LDs have done well (poor Clegg aside), but too many gains from COn, or Cons not gaining from them - majority dreams dead.

    EPG said:

    Let's give credit to Tim Farron. Written off, lots of speculation about an English wipe out, even by me for about 90 minutes. Instead he's going to gain seats.

    On a betting website, people should really eschew their desired position from the reality.
    Plenty of us wanted the LDs to do well - it was the polls and the models!
  • Peter_the_Punter
    Peter_the_Punter Posts: 14,779

    MaxPB said:

    Seriously, how did we lose Canterbury? That's true blue rinse territory.

    The second sentence answers your first, perhaps.
    Seriously, can somebody explain to me what went wrong in Canterbury? Local issues? A scandal?

    What was it?
    Lots of students
    Lots of old people with expensive houses
    Thanks Richard.
  • hunchman
    hunchman Posts: 2,591

    Has Amber Rudd LOST Hastings??

    Yes thank goodness
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    rcs1000 said:

    Who would have bet that Lamb and Brake would hold on, but that Mulholland and Clegg would go?

    I bet on all of them to go actually.

    & Lewis survives.
  • Ishmael_Z
    Ishmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Pong said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    @PolhomeEditor: Conservatives now expecting to win more than 12 seats in Scotland. Absolutely incredible. #GE2017

    YAY

    And Yay yay and thrice yay for TSE >9.5 tip, which goes some way to balancing the books.
    With respect to TSE, I believe it was @GeoffM who first tipped that bet at 20/1
    Yays for @GeoffM too, in that case.
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    rcs1000 said:

    Who would have bet that Lamb and Brake would hold on, but that Mulholland and Clegg would go?

    No-one sensible. But that sums up this election.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687

    MaxPB said:

    Seriously, how did we lose Canterbury? That's true blue rinse territory.

    Sttttttttttttttttttttttuuuudents...
    Send them all for re-education.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Con hold Redditch, and Dudley South.
  • Garza
    Garza Posts: 45
    Scott_P said:

    @akmaciver: Being told Alex Salmond has DEFINITELY lost. #GE2017

    And so it is, the demise of the Toad King of Toadhall.

    :-) :-) :-) :-D
  • Bobajob_PB
    Bobajob_PB Posts: 928

    Really cant see how Tories get any better than Exit Poll

    Indeed. Rumours that they are going to lose Hastings (that's Amber Rudd's seat)
  • Scrapheap_as_was
    Scrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Where are we on Tory Scottish seats?
  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,251
    SeanT said:

    Dreadful night for Tories and Nats. I'm feeling bipolar.

    Is there any time you're not bipolar?

    I meant it btw: why not meet real people? Meet up with me, the missus and the little 'un.
  • Paristonda
    Paristonda Posts: 1,844
    EPG said:

    Let's give credit to Tim Farron. Written off, lots of speculation about an English wipe out, even by me for about 90 minutes. Instead he's going to gain seats.

    Yup. I have no future as a pundit. Wrote off Corbyn and Farron, and both have done well. BUT LDs so far seem to have become a completely tactical voting supported party, so not good long term
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    Lab hold City of Chester.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    edited June 2017
    AndyJS said:

    Con hold Morley & Outwood.

    You what?

    SLabour vote share around 30 so far - well done them, they've held up and kept second place.
  • TravelJunkie
    TravelJunkie Posts: 431
    Can may hang on?
  • jonny83
    jonny83 Posts: 1,273
    HYUFD said:

    We must find a way to get Ruth Davidson in parliament, and then as PM. The only sensible senior Tories these days.

    Boris leader at Westminster, Davidson staying as leader in Scotland is clearly the best electoral combination for Tories. Goodnight
    You think Ruth would work with Boris? I don't.
  • not_on_fire
    not_on_fire Posts: 4,451
    rcs1000 said:

    Who would have bet that Lamb and Brake would hold on, but that Mulholland and Clegg would go?

    Clegg was always in big trouble. He only survived in 2015 due to Tory tactical votes due to the Coalition.
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950

    MaxPB said:

    Seriously, how did we lose Canterbury? That's true blue rinse territory.

    Sttttttttttttttttttttttuuuudents...
    Send them all for re-education.
    They've been offered a £30k bribe, can you blame them for voting for Labour?
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    GeoffM said:

    rcs1000 said:

    LDs up to 9, and O&S still to report.

    Sorry for LDs < 10

    Bugger
    O&S is a cert.

    Edinburgh West likely.

    Argyll & Bute and RC&S are both close.

    Ceredgion is about 2,000 votes between first and fourth.

    LDs 12 or 13, I reckon.
  • another_richard
    another_richard Posts: 27,927
    DavidL said:

    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    Con hold Morley & Outwood.

    !
    Its weird. Close ones are holding on but those less obviously vulnerable are falling.
    The Conservatives are doing best where the houses are cheap.
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265

    Can may hang on?

    No. She'll be knifed by the afternoon.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    How the hell do we get a stable government out of this mess?
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @paulhutcheon: Senior SNP sources telling me second indyref is dead #2017Election
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: Senior SNP sources telling me second indyref is dead #2017Election

    No shit.
  • not_on_fire
    not_on_fire Posts: 4,451
    DavidL said:

    How the hell do we get a stable government out of this mess?

    Probably another election
  • Y0kel
    Y0kel Posts: 2,307

    Well that's West Tyrone. Thank feck. Can get to the canteen counter now

    Look, if you loaded the locals up on the trailer at the back of the tractor like Tom did to win the UUP leadership you'll hold..just.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327

    Can may hang on?

    No. The knives are out already.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: Senior SNP sources telling me second indyref is dead #2017Election

    May's kamikaze mission was a success :p
  • I think SF might have the edge in FST
  • TheWhiteRabbit
    TheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    rcs1000 said:

    GeoffM said:

    rcs1000 said:

    LDs up to 9, and O&S still to report.

    Sorry for LDs < 10

    Bugger
    O&S is a cert.

    Edinburgh West likely.

    Argyll & Bute and RC&S are both close.

    Ceredgion is about 2,000 votes between first and fourth.

    LDs 12 or 13, I reckon.
    PC narrowly ahead in Ceredigion according to rumours.
  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,251

    EPG said:

    Let's give credit to Tim Farron. Written off, lots of speculation about an English wipe out, even by me for about 90 minutes. Instead he's going to gain seats.

    Yup. I have no future as a pundit. Wrote off Corbyn and Farron, and both have done well. BUT LDs so far seem to have become a completely tactical voting supported party, so not good long term
    In which case I am pundit extraordinaire ;)
  • TravelJunkie
    TravelJunkie Posts: 431
    Tories to pass Labour
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    I think we're going to get a second referendum on the EU
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    DavidL said:

    How the hell do we get a stable government out of this mess?


    New election -> same-ish result (fewer SNP) -> unstable govt. sometime in August.
  • jonny83
    jonny83 Posts: 1,273
    alex. said:

    jonny83 said:

    People clamouring for Boris when we are about to go into some of the most important negotiations this country has had for years. I don't get it...

    David Davis, surely? Wouldn't jeopardise the extra votes that the Tories have put on in this election either. Boris would be ridiculous.

    I would be fine with Davis.
  • hunchman
    hunchman Posts: 2,591
    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: Senior SNP sources telling me second indyref is dead #2017Election

    It won't be for long once the next recession comes
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717

    EPG said:

    Let's give credit to Tim Farron. Written off, lots of speculation about an English wipe out, even by me for about 90 minutes. Instead he's going to gain seats.

    Yup. I have no future as a pundit. Wrote off Corbyn and Farron, and both have done well. BUT LDs so far seem to have become a completely tactical voting supported party, so not good long term
    While that's true, they will likely have a better leader and more MPs.

    If I were an LD, I would be very relieved this evening. (Compared to what I would have expected two days ago.)
  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,251
    Chameleon said:

    Can may hang on?

    No. She'll be knifed by the afternoon.
    +1
  • Floater
    Floater Posts: 14,207
    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: Senior SNP sources telling me second indyref is dead #2017Election

    LOL - you don't say....
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    SeanT said:

    Jonathan said:

    Next election not going to be pretty for the Tories. Myth of invincibility gone.

    "Invincibility"??

    Even as a decent Labour leader would have won this, let's remember a decent Tory leader would have crushed Corbyn.
    Come on. Hours ago we were talking landslide.
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    MaxPB said:

    Mortimer said:

    Really cant see how Tories get any better than Exit Poll

    Scotland is 4 or 5 better than the exit poll expected, I think.

    321, 322, 323, 324 possible.
    No, 320 is the ceiling. I think we'll be on 315 with 10 unionists helping us get a queens speech through.
    Yep, that sounds about right.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    Cable seems to be suggesting Richmond might stay with Olney...
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    Vince back in Twickenham great news
  • Floater
    Floater Posts: 14,207
    Vauxhall up now
  • ThreeQuidder
    ThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    edited June 2017
    .
  • Con hold Morley.

    It seems to me that some of the first tier targets are being held because they had resources put in. I am guessing the 2nd and 3rd tier defence targets didn't have the same resources put in as 2015.
  • nunu
    nunu Posts: 6,024
    tlg86 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Seriously, how did we lose Canterbury? That's true blue rinse territory.

    Sttttttttttttttttttttttuuuudents...
    Send them all for re-education.
    They've been offered a £30k bribe, can you blame them for voting for Labour?
    no. Especially with their job propects, no freedom of movement, no prospect of owning their own homes ever....bleak.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    DavidL said:

    Tories slip back in the forecasts. We don't have a viable or stable government at all.

    It should be ok with Con + DUP/UUP for a slim majority. I imagine it'd hold for the A50 period.

    Budgets will be difficult and will probably require talking to the LDs too.
  • Bobajob_PB
    Bobajob_PB Posts: 928
    SeanT said:

    Jonathan said:

    Next election not going to be pretty for the Tories. Myth of invincibility gone.

    "Invincibility"??

    Even as a decent Labour leader would have won this, let's remember a decent Tory leader would have crushed Corbyn.
    The election would never have been called if Labour had a 'decent' leader.
  • Y0kel
    Y0kel Posts: 2,307
    Chameleon said:

    Can may hang on?

    No. She'll be knifed by the afternoon.
    This is correct, Tory leaders are mean't to win..not come 2nd and claim victory, but win. She didn't.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    A Pber is on Sky News right now
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113

    EPG said:

    Let's give credit to Tim Farron. Written off, lots of speculation about an English wipe out, even by me for about 90 minutes. Instead he's going to gain seats.

    Yup. I have no future as a pundit. Wrote off Corbyn and Farron, and both have done well. BUT LDs so far seem to have become a completely tactical voting supported party, so not good long term
    How many pundits do you know who get things right most of the time? They key is not to lose confidence just because you are wrong a lot.
    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: Senior SNP sources telling me second indyref is dead #2017Election

    Well May did say the Union was her priority.
  • another_richard
    another_richard Posts: 27,927
    DavidL said:

    How the hell do we get a stable government out of this mess?

    We don't.

    We're going to get an arms race of spending promises and then another election.
  • Cyclefree
    Cyclefree Posts: 25,709
    HYUFD said:

    Oliver said:

    Come on Theresa, say strong and stable just for old time's sake.

    I do feel sorry for her. You don't want to get to the highest office in the land only to relinquish it a mere year later... Sadly, she didn't have a leadership campaign proper, and she wasn't shown up as being, well, utterly useless at actually campaigning.
    May, Hillary, Gillard, Royal, sad to say voters do not like earnest, hardbitten women leaders it seems, Merkel the exception but she can be fat and jovial. Thatcher was in the right place at the right time
    She also had something to say.

    May didn't.

    She - and the Tories - believed her own propaganda. Hubris.
  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,251
    kle4 said:

    I'm glad the LDs have done well (poor Clegg aside), but too many gains from COn, or Cons not gaining from them - majority dreams dead.

    EPG said:

    Let's give credit to Tim Farron. Written off, lots of speculation about an English wipe out, even by me for about 90 minutes. Instead he's going to gain seats.

    On a betting website, people should really eschew their desired position from the reality.
    Plenty of us wanted the LDs to do well - it was the polls and the models!
    Then you relied too much on the polls and models.

    GIGO.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,736
    edited June 2017
    Tories would have still got a majority if they had simply put out a blank piece of paper as their manifesto. The no triple lock, dementia tax etc etc etc has cost them, and it seems like there has been quite a few very close ones they lost / failed to take.
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    I think we're going to get a second referendum on the EU

    NO
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    tlg86 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Seriously, how did we lose Canterbury? That's true blue rinse territory.

    Sttttttttttttttttttttttuuuudents...
    Send them all for re-education.
    They've been offered a £30k bribe, can you blame them for voting for Labour?
    A £30K bribe which they pay for. Smart.
  • Floater
    Floater Posts: 14,207
    Hoey wins
  • GeoffM
    GeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Pong said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    @PolhomeEditor: Conservatives now expecting to win more than 12 seats in Scotland. Absolutely incredible. #GE2017

    YAY

    And Yay yay and thrice yay for TSE >9.5 tip, which goes some way to balancing the books.
    With respect to TSE, I believe it was @GeoffM who first tipped that bet at 20/1
    @Pong My grateful thanks to you remembering that small thing on a night of such high drama.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Jeffrey Donaldson may be Foreign Secretary in a few days' time.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    @Lennon on Sky 172 votes. I got more xDD
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Hoey holds on, to the relief of Smithson Jnr!
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    tlg86 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Seriously, how did we lose Canterbury? That's true blue rinse territory.

    Sttttttttttttttttttttttuuuudents...
    Send them all for re-education.
    They've been offered a £30k bribe, can you blame them for voting for Labour?
    £30k? I work it out at about £50k for me, more for those from poorer backgrounds.
  • surbiton
    surbiton Posts: 13,549

    Cyclefree said:


    God knows what it means for Brexit. An even bigger FUBAR than before, I expect.

    May your children live in interesting times......
    Has that Corbyn video hit 5m views yet ?
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,080
    edited June 2017
    Kate holds onto Vauxhall
  • NickPalmer
    NickPalmer Posts: 21,724
    Chameleon said:

    Derby north gone Lab.

    Good news for animal welfare people - Chris Williamson is exceptionally committed on that.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327

    I think we're going to get a second referendum on the EU

    I seriously doubt it, I think we'll get a referendum on what comes next. Hard Brexit vs EEA/EFTA is my bet.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113

    rcs1000 said:

    Who would have bet that Lamb and Brake would hold on, but that Mulholland and Clegg would go?

    Clegg was always in big trouble. He only survived in 2015 due to Tory tactical votes due to the Coalition.
    Yes, but the area was traditionally LD vs Con - it was thought it might go back more that sort of way, plus some said the Lab candidate wasn't as good.
  • MonikerDiCanio
    MonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    I think we're going to get a second referendum on the EU

    Pure poison as Sturgeon is now discovering.
  • Floater
    Floater Posts: 14,207

    A Pber is on Sky News right now

    Who?
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Chameleon said:

    tlg86 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Seriously, how did we lose Canterbury? That's true blue rinse territory.

    Sttttttttttttttttttttttuuuudents...
    Send them all for re-education.
    They've been offered a £30k bribe, can you blame them for voting for Labour?
    £30k? I work it out at about £50k for me, more for those from poorer backgrounds.
    Well, even more reason to vote Labour.
  • TheWhiteRabbit
    TheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    Cons hold Waveney. Just Ipswich in East Anglia.
  • OchEye
    OchEye Posts: 1,469
    Scott_P said:

    @akmaciver: Being told Alex Salmond has DEFINITELY lost. #GE2017

    He'll hold back till the next election in the autumn, then he'll try for Holyrood, again to take over from Sturgeon.
  • nunu
    nunu Posts: 6,024
    jonny83 said:

    HYUFD said:

    We must find a way to get Ruth Davidson in parliament, and then as PM. The only sensible senior Tories these days.

    Boris leader at Westminster, Davidson staying as leader in Scotland is clearly the best electoral combination for Tories. Goodnight
    You think Ruth would work with Boris? I don't.
    no, she wouldn't she said if he ver becomes leader she will break away the scottish party.
  • alex.
    alex. Posts: 4,658
    What was all that Hoey in danger nonsense all about?
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    Fife NE apparently LDs ahead by single figures...
  • Bobajob_PB
    Bobajob_PB Posts: 928
    MaxPB said:

    Mortimer said:

    Really cant see how Tories get any better than Exit Poll

    Scotland is 4 or 5 better than the exit poll expected, I think.

    321, 322, 323, 324 possible.
    No, 320 is the ceiling. I think we'll be on 315 with 10 unionists helping us get a queens speech through.
    You would be better going into opposition. Seriously.

    You have lost.
  • Paristonda
    Paristonda Posts: 1,844
    rcs1000 said:

    GeoffM said:

    rcs1000 said:

    LDs up to 9, and O&S still to report.

    Sorry for LDs < 10

    Bugger
    O&S is a cert.

    Edinburgh West likely.

    Argyll & Bute and RC&S are both close.

    Ceredgion is about 2,000 votes between first and fourth.

    LDs 12 or 13, I reckon.
    ITV saying 16 which is fine by me. Big churn in MPs indicates the LD party has a new makeup though. Seems like they have gained largely through Scottish tactical voting, not good for the long term.
  • nrs3079
    nrs3079 Posts: 14

    We must find a way to get Ruth Davidson in parliament, and then as PM. The only sensible senior Tories these days.

    Here here
  • ThreeQuidder
    ThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Huge win for Hoey.
  • SimonStClare
    SimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: Senior SNP sources telling me second indyref is dead #2017Election

    Don’t need a senior SNP source to tell us that. Nicola has blown that for a generation.
  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,251

    tlg86 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Seriously, how did we lose Canterbury? That's true blue rinse territory.

    Sttttttttttttttttttttttuuuudents...
    Send them all for re-education.
    They've been offered a £30k bribe, can you blame them for voting for Labour?
    A £30K bribe which they pay for. Smart.
    *Some* of them pay for. The clever will avoid it, to the cost of the others.

    As ever.
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