Seems like despite a few losses (poor Clegg...and the other guy), England has been good for the LDs, as is Scotland, and only Wales might let them down- no word from Ceredigion and the recount?
Seriously, how did we lose Canterbury? That's true blue rinse territory.
The second sentence answers your first, perhaps.
Seriously, can somebody explain to me what went wrong in Canterbury? Local issues? A scandal?
What was it?
i didnt think it would happen but- change in demographics large public sector employment and growing MAIN REASON Awful candidate-the oldies love him but personally i think he is dreadful (and i am 50 this year)
I think we're going to get a second referendum on the EU
I seriously doubt it, I think we'll get a referendum on what comes next. Hard Brexit vs EEA/EFTA is my bet.
It's a dumb choice.
A five year transition period of EEA/EFTA (during which we can forge new relationships), followed by a referendum on the future relationship with the EU.
Come on Theresa, say strong and stable just for old time's sake.
I do feel sorry for her. You don't want to get to the highest office in the land only to relinquish it a mere year later... Sadly, she didn't have a leadership campaign proper, and she wasn't shown up as being, well, utterly useless at actually campaigning.
May, Hillary, Gillard, Royal, sad to say voters do not like earnest, hardbitten women leaders it seems, Merkel the exception but she can be fat and jovial. Thatcher was in the right place at the right time
She also had something to say.
May didn't.
She - and the Tories - believed her own propaganda. Hubris.
Correct. It's the carefully presented empty heads that people object to. There has never been a more vacuous and inept campaign than May's. Indeed, can anyone recall what she "campaigned" on?
Ceredgion is about 2,000 votes between first and fourth.
LDs 12 or 13, I reckon.
ITV saying 16 which is fine by me. Big churn in MPs indicates the LD party has a new makeup though. Seems like they have gained largely through Scottish tactical voting, not good for the long term.
What was worse was having lots of MPs scattered all over the place whose electorates had little in common (2015). At least now it's clear that they are a Scottish unionist, and chintzy town / suburban anti-Tory party.
Really cant see how Tories get any better than Exit Poll
Scotland is 4 or 5 better than the exit poll expected, I think.
321, 322, 323, 324 possible.
No, 320 is the ceiling. I think we'll be on 315 with 10 unionists helping us get a queens speech through.
You would be better going into opposition. Seriously.
You have lost.
No, we haven't lost. We have the most votes and most seats. That not losing. Going into opposition now is terrible idea, there is too much at stake to trust the Corbynite rabble to have their hands on it. Even if it means we take a 1997 style loss in 2022.
I think we're going to get a second referendum on the EU
Much more likely. Not necessarily. But very possible.
The Tories are going to be reliant on the DUP, that hard/soft border Brexit and the devolved government become a huge issue.
yup
And again, kudos to you for getting TMay right. Gordon Brown: but worse.
Did Brown ever get 44%? This is no great result for May granted but she has still got a higher Tory voteshare than any Tory leader since 1979. Brown and May both serious, hardworking politicians but neither sadly had the charisma needed to win elections in modern politics, Boris is clearly the populist, charismatic choice the Tories need now, with Davidson staying in Scotland
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12 gains
21 losses
Very nice.
is that the smallest margin so far??
change in demographics
large public sector employment and growing
MAIN REASON
Awful candidate-the oldies love him but personally i think he is dreadful (and i am 50 this year)
Foxes will be breathing a little easier tonight too....and the badger cull????
The Tories have lost.
Give it up.
A five year transition period of EEA/EFTA (during which we can forge new relationships), followed by a referendum on the future relationship with the EU.
Everyone should be able to agree to that.
Oh thank goodness, Rees-Mogg is back in.
Lab 56.8
Con 40.5
Happy to see her toast to anyone else.
Here's hoping that Wakefield can come through for DH.
It only has to pass a couple of budgets. And the Oct 74-April 79 Government lasted despite having virtually no majority, same with Major after 1995.
http://dev.mydup.com/images/uploads/publications/DUP_Wminster_Manifesto_2017_v5.pdf
Go into opposition.
For Labour yes.....
Labour lowest share is 77.7% for Maria Eagle. Luciana Berger got 79%, Twigg, Ellman and the new guy in Walton all in 80-85% range
Now Betfair PM after GE
May 1.82- 1.92
Boris 5.3 - 5.9
Corbyn 5.7 - 5.9