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  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,933
    EPG said:

    Let's give credit to Tim Farron. Written off, lots of speculation about an English wipe out, even by me for about 90 minutes. Instead he's going to gain seats.

    On a betting website, people should really eschew their desired position from the reality.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    jonny83 said:

    People clamouring for Boris when we are about to go into some of the most important negotiations this country has had for years. I don't get it...

    Yes the EU certainly don't take him seriously.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    edited June 2017

    Amber Rudd byebye

    Good riddance Amber Augusta Rudd
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,924

    MaxPB said:

    Seriously, how did we lose Canterbury? That's true blue rinse territory.

    The second sentence answers your first, perhaps.
    Seriously, can somebody explain to me what went wrong in Canterbury? Local issues? A scandal?

    What was it?
    Lots of students
    Lots of old people with expensive houses
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Salmond chatting sh*t on the BBC right now.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,231
    Cyclefree said:


    God knows what it means for Brexit. An even bigger FUBAR than before, I expect.

    May your children live in interesting times......
  • Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    Has Amber Rudd LOST Hastings??
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    EPG said:

    Let's give credit to Tim Farron. Written off, lots of speculation about an English wipe out, even by me for about 90 minutes. Instead he's going to gain seats.

    On a betting website, people should really eschew their desired position from the reality.
    Confident my bet <28.5 seats is a winner
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,142
    SeanT said:

    Dreadful night for Tories and Nats. I'm feeling bipolar.

    Feeling a little numb.. but life goes on!
  • DevonblueDevonblue Posts: 6
    Exeter classic university case. Never known anything like it, only posters I saw across the whole city were for Ben Bradshaw, including plenty in St Leonard's (where consultants & professors live). Not a single Tory poster, unlike 2015.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    HYUFD said:

    We must find a way to get Ruth Davidson in parliament, and then as PM. The only sensible senior Tories these days.

    Boris leader at Westminster, Davidson staying as leader in Scotland is clearly the best electoral combination for Tories. Goodnight
    Boris is definitely not the best option for the Tories. Everyone likes a jester, unless they're uncharge of their life.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,317
    Mortimer said:

    Really cant see how Tories get any better than Exit Poll

    Scotland is 4 or 5 better than the exit poll expected, I think.

    321, 322, 323, 324 possible.
    No, 320 is the ceiling. I think we'll be on 315 with 10 unionists helping us get a queens speech through.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    MaxPB said:

    Seriously, how did we lose Canterbury? That's true blue rinse territory.

    The second sentence answers your first, perhaps.
    Seriously, can somebody explain to me what went wrong in Canterbury? Local issues? A scandal?

    What was it?
    Lots of students
    Lots of old people with expensive houses
    Who is the Labour MP for Canterbury? A 20 year old student?!
  • Well that's West Tyrone. Thank feck. Can get to the canteen counter now
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    rcs1000 said:

    LDs up to 9, and O&S still to report.

    Sorry for LDs < 10

    Bugger
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,894
    Who would have bet that Lamb and Brake would hold on, but that Mulholland and Clegg would go?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    I'm glad the LDs have done well (poor Clegg aside), but too many gains from COn, or Cons not gaining from them - majority dreams dead.

    EPG said:

    Let's give credit to Tim Farron. Written off, lots of speculation about an English wipe out, even by me for about 90 minutes. Instead he's going to gain seats.

    On a betting website, people should really eschew their desired position from the reality.
    Plenty of us wanted the LDs to do well - it was the polls and the models!
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,497

    MaxPB said:

    Seriously, how did we lose Canterbury? That's true blue rinse territory.

    The second sentence answers your first, perhaps.
    Seriously, can somebody explain to me what went wrong in Canterbury? Local issues? A scandal?

    What was it?
    Lots of students
    Lots of old people with expensive houses
    Thanks Richard.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    Has Amber Rudd LOST Hastings??

    Yes thank goodness
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,635
    rcs1000 said:

    Who would have bet that Lamb and Brake would hold on, but that Mulholland and Clegg would go?

    I bet on all of them to go actually.

    & Lewis survives.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Pong said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    @PolhomeEditor: Conservatives now expecting to win more than 12 seats in Scotland. Absolutely incredible. #GE2017

    YAY

    And Yay yay and thrice yay for TSE >9.5 tip, which goes some way to balancing the books.
    With respect to TSE, I believe it was @GeoffM who first tipped that bet at 20/1
    Yays for @GeoffM too, in that case.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    rcs1000 said:

    Who would have bet that Lamb and Brake would hold on, but that Mulholland and Clegg would go?

    No-one sensible. But that sums up this election.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,249

    MaxPB said:

    Seriously, how did we lose Canterbury? That's true blue rinse territory.

    Sttttttttttttttttttttttuuuudents...
    Send them all for re-education.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Con hold Redditch, and Dudley South.
  • GarzaGarza Posts: 45
    Scott_P said:

    @akmaciver: Being told Alex Salmond has DEFINITELY lost. #GE2017

    And so it is, the demise of the Toad King of Toadhall.

    :-) :-) :-) :-D
  • Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928

    Really cant see how Tories get any better than Exit Poll

    Indeed. Rumours that they are going to lose Hastings (that's Amber Rudd's seat)
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Where are we on Tory Scottish seats?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,933
    SeanT said:

    Dreadful night for Tories and Nats. I'm feeling bipolar.

    Is there any time you're not bipolar?

    I meant it btw: why not meet real people? Meet up with me, the missus and the little 'un.
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,843
    EPG said:

    Let's give credit to Tim Farron. Written off, lots of speculation about an English wipe out, even by me for about 90 minutes. Instead he's going to gain seats.

    Yup. I have no future as a pundit. Wrote off Corbyn and Farron, and both have done well. BUT LDs so far seem to have become a completely tactical voting supported party, so not good long term
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Lab hold City of Chester.
  • TravelJunkieTravelJunkie Posts: 431
    Can may hang on?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    edited June 2017
    AndyJS said:

    Con hold Morley & Outwood.

    You what?

    SLabour vote share around 30 so far - well done them, they've held up and kept second place.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270
    HYUFD said:

    We must find a way to get Ruth Davidson in parliament, and then as PM. The only sensible senior Tories these days.

    Boris leader at Westminster, Davidson staying as leader in Scotland is clearly the best electoral combination for Tories. Goodnight
    You think Ruth would work with Boris? I don't.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    rcs1000 said:

    Who would have bet that Lamb and Brake would hold on, but that Mulholland and Clegg would go?

    Clegg was always in big trouble. He only survived in 2015 due to Tory tactical votes due to the Coalition.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,274

    MaxPB said:

    Seriously, how did we lose Canterbury? That's true blue rinse territory.

    Sttttttttttttttttttttttuuuudents...
    Send them all for re-education.
    They've been offered a £30k bribe, can you blame them for voting for Labour?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,894
    GeoffM said:

    rcs1000 said:

    LDs up to 9, and O&S still to report.

    Sorry for LDs < 10

    Bugger
    O&S is a cert.

    Edinburgh West likely.

    Argyll & Bute and RC&S are both close.

    Ceredgion is about 2,000 votes between first and fourth.

    LDs 12 or 13, I reckon.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,924
    DavidL said:

    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    Con hold Morley & Outwood.

    !
    Its weird. Close ones are holding on but those less obviously vulnerable are falling.
    The Conservatives are doing best where the houses are cheap.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    Can may hang on?

    No. She'll be knifed by the afternoon.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,215
    How the hell do we get a stable government out of this mess?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @paulhutcheon: Senior SNP sources telling me second indyref is dead #2017Election
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: Senior SNP sources telling me second indyref is dead #2017Election

    No shit.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    DavidL said:

    How the hell do we get a stable government out of this mess?

    Probably another election
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307

    Well that's West Tyrone. Thank feck. Can get to the canteen counter now

    Look, if you loaded the locals up on the trailer at the back of the tractor like Tom did to win the UUP leadership you'll hold..just.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,317

    Can may hang on?

    No. The knives are out already.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,142
    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: Senior SNP sources telling me second indyref is dead #2017Election

    May's kamikaze mission was a success :p
  • I think SF might have the edge in FST
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    rcs1000 said:

    GeoffM said:

    rcs1000 said:

    LDs up to 9, and O&S still to report.

    Sorry for LDs < 10

    Bugger
    O&S is a cert.

    Edinburgh West likely.

    Argyll & Bute and RC&S are both close.

    Ceredgion is about 2,000 votes between first and fourth.

    LDs 12 or 13, I reckon.
    PC narrowly ahead in Ceredigion according to rumours.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,933

    EPG said:

    Let's give credit to Tim Farron. Written off, lots of speculation about an English wipe out, even by me for about 90 minutes. Instead he's going to gain seats.

    Yup. I have no future as a pundit. Wrote off Corbyn and Farron, and both have done well. BUT LDs so far seem to have become a completely tactical voting supported party, so not good long term
    In which case I am pundit extraordinaire ;)
  • TravelJunkieTravelJunkie Posts: 431
    Tories to pass Labour
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,346
    I think we're going to get a second referendum on the EU
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    DavidL said:

    How the hell do we get a stable government out of this mess?


    New election -> same-ish result (fewer SNP) -> unstable govt. sometime in August.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270
    alex. said:

    jonny83 said:

    People clamouring for Boris when we are about to go into some of the most important negotiations this country has had for years. I don't get it...

    David Davis, surely? Wouldn't jeopardise the extra votes that the Tories have put on in this election either. Boris would be ridiculous.

    I would be fine with Davis.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: Senior SNP sources telling me second indyref is dead #2017Election

    It won't be for long once the next recession comes
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,894

    EPG said:

    Let's give credit to Tim Farron. Written off, lots of speculation about an English wipe out, even by me for about 90 minutes. Instead he's going to gain seats.

    Yup. I have no future as a pundit. Wrote off Corbyn and Farron, and both have done well. BUT LDs so far seem to have become a completely tactical voting supported party, so not good long term
    While that's true, they will likely have a better leader and more MPs.

    If I were an LD, I would be very relieved this evening. (Compared to what I would have expected two days ago.)
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,933
    Chameleon said:

    Can may hang on?

    No. She'll be knifed by the afternoon.
    +1
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: Senior SNP sources telling me second indyref is dead #2017Election

    LOL - you don't say....
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,768
    SeanT said:

    Jonathan said:

    Next election not going to be pretty for the Tories. Myth of invincibility gone.

    "Invincibility"??

    Even as a decent Labour leader would have won this, let's remember a decent Tory leader would have crushed Corbyn.
    Come on. Hours ago we were talking landslide.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,526
    MaxPB said:

    Mortimer said:

    Really cant see how Tories get any better than Exit Poll

    Scotland is 4 or 5 better than the exit poll expected, I think.

    321, 322, 323, 324 possible.
    No, 320 is the ceiling. I think we'll be on 315 with 10 unionists helping us get a queens speech through.
    Yep, that sounds about right.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    Cable seems to be suggesting Richmond might stay with Olney...
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    Vince back in Twickenham great news
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Vauxhall up now
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    edited June 2017
    .
  • Con hold Morley.

    It seems to me that some of the first tier targets are being held because they had resources put in. I am guessing the 2nd and 3rd tier defence targets didn't have the same resources put in as 2015.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    tlg86 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Seriously, how did we lose Canterbury? That's true blue rinse territory.

    Sttttttttttttttttttttttuuuudents...
    Send them all for re-education.
    They've been offered a £30k bribe, can you blame them for voting for Labour?
    no. Especially with their job propects, no freedom of movement, no prospect of owning their own homes ever....bleak.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,249
    DavidL said:

    Tories slip back in the forecasts. We don't have a viable or stable government at all.

    It should be ok with Con + DUP/UUP for a slim majority. I imagine it'd hold for the A50 period.

    Budgets will be difficult and will probably require talking to the LDs too.
  • Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    SeanT said:

    Jonathan said:

    Next election not going to be pretty for the Tories. Myth of invincibility gone.

    "Invincibility"??

    Even as a decent Labour leader would have won this, let's remember a decent Tory leader would have crushed Corbyn.
    The election would never have been called if Labour had a 'decent' leader.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Chameleon said:

    Can may hang on?

    No. She'll be knifed by the afternoon.
    This is correct, Tory leaders are mean't to win..not come 2nd and claim victory, but win. She didn't.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,346
    A Pber is on Sky News right now
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830

    EPG said:

    Let's give credit to Tim Farron. Written off, lots of speculation about an English wipe out, even by me for about 90 minutes. Instead he's going to gain seats.

    Yup. I have no future as a pundit. Wrote off Corbyn and Farron, and both have done well. BUT LDs so far seem to have become a completely tactical voting supported party, so not good long term
    How many pundits do you know who get things right most of the time? They key is not to lose confidence just because you are wrong a lot.
    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: Senior SNP sources telling me second indyref is dead #2017Election

    Well May did say the Union was her priority.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,924
    DavidL said:

    How the hell do we get a stable government out of this mess?

    We don't.

    We're going to get an arms race of spending promises and then another election.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,486
    HYUFD said:

    Oliver said:

    Come on Theresa, say strong and stable just for old time's sake.

    I do feel sorry for her. You don't want to get to the highest office in the land only to relinquish it a mere year later... Sadly, she didn't have a leadership campaign proper, and she wasn't shown up as being, well, utterly useless at actually campaigning.
    May, Hillary, Gillard, Royal, sad to say voters do not like earnest, hardbitten women leaders it seems, Merkel the exception but she can be fat and jovial. Thatcher was in the right place at the right time
    She also had something to say.

    May didn't.

    She - and the Tories - believed her own propaganda. Hubris.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    I think we're going to get a second referendum on the EU

    NO
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    edited June 2017
    Tories would have still got a majority if they had simply put out a blank piece of paper as their manifesto. The no triple lock, dementia tax etc etc etc has cost them, and it seems like there has been quite a few very close ones they lost / failed to take.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,933
    kle4 said:

    I'm glad the LDs have done well (poor Clegg aside), but too many gains from COn, or Cons not gaining from them - majority dreams dead.

    EPG said:

    Let's give credit to Tim Farron. Written off, lots of speculation about an English wipe out, even by me for about 90 minutes. Instead he's going to gain seats.

    On a betting website, people should really eschew their desired position from the reality.
    Plenty of us wanted the LDs to do well - it was the polls and the models!
    Then you relied too much on the polls and models.

    GIGO.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    tlg86 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Seriously, how did we lose Canterbury? That's true blue rinse territory.

    Sttttttttttttttttttttttuuuudents...
    Send them all for re-education.
    They've been offered a £30k bribe, can you blame them for voting for Labour?
    A £30K bribe which they pay for. Smart.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Hoey wins
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Pong said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    @PolhomeEditor: Conservatives now expecting to win more than 12 seats in Scotland. Absolutely incredible. #GE2017

    YAY

    And Yay yay and thrice yay for TSE >9.5 tip, which goes some way to balancing the books.
    With respect to TSE, I believe it was @GeoffM who first tipped that bet at 20/1
    @Pong My grateful thanks to you remembering that small thing on a night of such high drama.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Jeffrey Donaldson may be Foreign Secretary in a few days' time.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,635
    @Lennon on Sky 172 votes. I got more xDD
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    tlg86 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Seriously, how did we lose Canterbury? That's true blue rinse territory.

    Sttttttttttttttttttttttuuuudents...
    Send them all for re-education.
    They've been offered a £30k bribe, can you blame them for voting for Labour?
    £30k? I work it out at about £50k for me, more for those from poorer backgrounds.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,274
    Hoey holds on, to the relief of Smithson Jnr!
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Cyclefree said:


    God knows what it means for Brexit. An even bigger FUBAR than before, I expect.

    May your children live in interesting times......
    Has that Corbyn video hit 5m views yet ?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,381
    edited June 2017
    Kate holds onto Vauxhall
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    Chameleon said:

    Derby north gone Lab.

    Good news for animal welfare people - Chris Williamson is exceptionally committed on that.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,317

    I think we're going to get a second referendum on the EU

    I seriously doubt it, I think we'll get a referendum on what comes next. Hard Brexit vs EEA/EFTA is my bet.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830

    rcs1000 said:

    Who would have bet that Lamb and Brake would hold on, but that Mulholland and Clegg would go?

    Clegg was always in big trouble. He only survived in 2015 due to Tory tactical votes due to the Coalition.
    Yes, but the area was traditionally LD vs Con - it was thought it might go back more that sort of way, plus some said the Lab candidate wasn't as good.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    I think we're going to get a second referendum on the EU

    Pure poison as Sturgeon is now discovering.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    A Pber is on Sky News right now

    Who?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,274
    Chameleon said:

    tlg86 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Seriously, how did we lose Canterbury? That's true blue rinse territory.

    Sttttttttttttttttttttttuuuudents...
    Send them all for re-education.
    They've been offered a £30k bribe, can you blame them for voting for Labour?
    £30k? I work it out at about £50k for me, more for those from poorer backgrounds.
    Well, even more reason to vote Labour.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    jonny83 said:

    HYUFD said:

    We must find a way to get Ruth Davidson in parliament, and then as PM. The only sensible senior Tories these days.

    Boris leader at Westminster, Davidson staying as leader in Scotland is clearly the best electoral combination for Tories. Goodnight
    You think Ruth would work with Boris? I don't.
    no, she wouldn't she said if he ver becomes leader she will break away the scottish party.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Cons hold Waveney. Just Ipswich in East Anglia.
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    Scott_P said:

    @akmaciver: Being told Alex Salmond has DEFINITELY lost. #GE2017

    He'll hold back till the next election in the autumn, then he'll try for Holyrood, again to take over from Sturgeon.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    What was all that Hoey in danger nonsense all about?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,894
    Fife NE apparently LDs ahead by single figures...
  • Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    MaxPB said:

    Mortimer said:

    Really cant see how Tories get any better than Exit Poll

    Scotland is 4 or 5 better than the exit poll expected, I think.

    321, 322, 323, 324 possible.
    No, 320 is the ceiling. I think we'll be on 315 with 10 unionists helping us get a queens speech through.
    You would be better going into opposition. Seriously.

    You have lost.
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,843
    rcs1000 said:

    GeoffM said:

    rcs1000 said:

    LDs up to 9, and O&S still to report.

    Sorry for LDs < 10

    Bugger
    O&S is a cert.

    Edinburgh West likely.

    Argyll & Bute and RC&S are both close.

    Ceredgion is about 2,000 votes between first and fourth.

    LDs 12 or 13, I reckon.
    ITV saying 16 which is fine by me. Big churn in MPs indicates the LD party has a new makeup though. Seems like they have gained largely through Scottish tactical voting, not good for the long term.
  • nrs3079nrs3079 Posts: 14

    We must find a way to get Ruth Davidson in parliament, and then as PM. The only sensible senior Tories these days.

    Here here
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Huge win for Hoey.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: Senior SNP sources telling me second indyref is dead #2017Election

    Don’t need a senior SNP source to tell us that. Nicola has blown that for a generation.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,933

    tlg86 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Seriously, how did we lose Canterbury? That's true blue rinse territory.

    Sttttttttttttttttttttttuuuudents...
    Send them all for re-education.
    They've been offered a £30k bribe, can you blame them for voting for Labour?
    A £30K bribe which they pay for. Smart.
    *Some* of them pay for. The clever will avoid it, to the cost of the others.

    As ever.
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