I still don't see any route from here to a Corbyn premiership.
Thank fuck.
Tory NOM, Boris, Faron or Hammond, as PM, a rethink on Hard Brexit, a new election in October.
Yes, I think we're looking at 330 seats, but May is done. Literally fucking done.
Seems like you are not happy !
I'll be happy if we get to 320 seats by tomorrow morning and Theresa May is gone by Monday, plus an EEA/EFTA Brexit. Would be the ideal result for me personally because I don't think hard Brexit is optimal.
To be honest, Max, it wouldn't surprised me if Brexit is kicked into the long grass now. All the EU27 have to do is vote unanimously to extend the A50 period indefinitely, or for 5-10 years, and do a new treaty with the UK, perhaps generously putting Dave's deal back on the table again.
Then I and millions like me will be back to voting UKIP again.
The Conservative Party made a major error. Brexit has always been a JOURNEY. The best thing for the country was for us to take back, over the next decade, ever greater amounts of power.
This way we could have completely removed the "money" issue, as we'd pay in during the transition but not take out. We'd be able to negotiate new trade deals.
Osbourne looking very downbeat. Sounding even more downbeat.
He's a Tory through and through, he's seen his hard work undone by a useless twat who isn't fit to lick his boots
Do me a favour. The Tories are struggling because the Labour vote is up by MORE. Why? Because a younger generation betrayed by useless t**** like Osborne have had enough.
Seriously, fuck off.
Under Osborne's watch, the Tories went from 198 seats to 331.
Under the pound shop Gordon Brown the Tories could be sub 300 seats AGAINST Jeremy Corbyn
Somewhere around YouGov to Exit poll seems right. Don;t know where claims of Cobryn in government come from.
Con largest doesn't mean Con government. Nobody other than the unionist parties is likely to support their QS. If it's bang on the exit I think they can just do it (functional majority in single figures). Any worse and it's our old friend, the Coalition of Chsos.
I know how he feels - I sort of assumed if I was finally doing so, I'd be part of at least a mini tide. I've always thought of myself as easily influenced and goes with the flow kind of chap.
Turns out that flow was PB Tories, and the voters were heading the other way.
Somewhere around YouGov to Exit poll seems right. Don;t know where claims of Cobryn in government come from.
Con largest doesn't mean Con government. Nobody other than the unionist parties is likely to support their QS. If it's bang on the exit I think they can just do it (functional majority in single figures). Any worse and it's our old friend, the Coalition of Chsos.
If Lab are on ~266 it could hardly be Corbyn as PM
I'm actually surprised Philip Davies isn't on RCS's List of Tories He'd Rather See Lose. There must be some Tory modernisers, particularly women, who would rather like to see the back of him.
He is absolutely awful. Out of all the Conservative MPs, I dislike him the most.
I'm so confused. It seems like LDs may be a majority Scottish party. That being said, we have no results from there yet, and there were only a few polling stations polled. Be wary.
too many Pb comments, i'm just skipping to the last page on each thread. What's the PB consensus so far? tory minority govt, lab coalition of chaos, or tory eeking out a majority?
I still don't see any route from here to a Corbyn premiership.
Thank fuck.
Tory NOM, Boris, Faron or Hammond, as PM, a rethink on Hard Brexit, a new election in October.
Yes, I think we're looking at 330 seats, but May is done. Literally fucking done.
Seems like you are not happy !
I'll be happy if we get to 320 seats by tomorrow morning and Theresa May is gone by Monday, plus an EEA/EFTA Brexit. Would be the ideal result for me personally because I don't think hard Brexit is optimal.
To be honest, Max, it wouldn't surprised me if Brexit is kicked into the long grass now. All the EU27 have to do is vote unanimously to extend the A50 period indefinitely, or for 5-10 years, and do a new treaty with the UK, perhaps generously putting Dave's deal back on the table again.
Then I and millions like me will be back to voting UKIP again.
Do you think I'm ever voting or supporting UKIP again given how their voters have broken for Labour, tonight?
UKIP'ers might have ended up betraying their own Brexit.
Its not about Labour or the Tories its about our country. It is a shame you don't see that.
I still don't see any route from here to a Corbyn premiership.
Thank fuck.
Tory NOM, Boris, Faron or Hammond, as PM, a rethink on Hard Brexit, a new election in October.
Yes, I think we're looking at 330 seats, but May is done. Literally fucking done.
Seems like you are not happy !
I'll be happy if we get to 320 seats by tomorrow morning and Theresa May is gone by Monday, plus an EEA/EFTA Brexit. Would be the ideal result for me personally because I don't think hard Brexit is optimal.
To be honest, Max, it wouldn't surprised me if Brexit is kicked into the long grass now. All the EU27 have to do is vote unanimously to extend the A50 period indefinitely, or for 5-10 years, and do a new treaty with the UK, perhaps generously putting Dave's deal back on the table again.
Then I and millions like me will be back to voting UKIP again.
Do you think I'm ever voting or supporting UKIP again given how their voters have broken for Labour, tonight?
UKIP'ers might have ended up betraying their own Brexit.
Wow, are we onto blaming the voters already?
The Kippers, yes. Turns out they weren't voting Kipper for the UKIP bit.
I still don't see any route from here to a Corbyn premiership.
Thank fuck.
Tory NOM, Boris, Faron or Hammond, as PM, a rethink on Hard Brexit, a new election in October.
Yes, I think we're looking at 330 seats, but May is done. Literally fucking done.
Seems like you are not happy !
I'll be happy if we get to 320 seats by tomorrow morning and Theresa May is gone by Monday, plus an EEA/EFTA Brexit. Would be the ideal result for me personally because I don't think hard Brexit is optimal.
To be honest, Max, it wouldn't surprised me if Brexit is kicked into the long grass now. All the EU27 have to do is vote unanimously to extend the A50 period indefinitely, or for 5-10 years, and do a new treaty with the UK, perhaps generously putting Dave's deal back on the table again.
Then I and millions like me will be back to voting UKIP again.
The Conservative Party made a major error. Brexit has always been a JOURNEY. The best thing for the country was for us to take back, over the next decade, ever greater amounts of power.
This way we could have completely removed the "money" issue, as we'd pay in during the transition but not take out. We'd be able to negotiate new trade deals.
Gah.
Is that even possible with the 2 year window in article 50?
I still don't see any route from here to a Corbyn premiership.
Thank fuck.
Tory NOM, Boris, Faron or Hammond, as PM, a rethink on Hard Brexit, a new election in October.
Yes, I think we're looking at 330 seats, but May is done. Literally fucking done.
Seems like you are not happy !
I'll be happy if we get to 320 seats by tomorrow morning and Theresa May is gone by Monday, plus an EEA/EFTA Brexit. Would be the ideal result for me personally because I don't think hard Brexit is optimal.
How fast do Tory party rules allow it to dispose of a failed leader; will she remain PM for a month or two?
Somewhere around YouGov to Exit poll seems right. Don;t know where claims of Cobryn in government come from.
Con largest doesn't mean Con government. Nobody other than the unionist parties is likely to support their QS. If it's bang on the exit I think they can just do it (functional majority in single figures). Any worse and it's our old friend, the Coalition of Chsos.
If Lab are on ~266 it could hardly be Corbyn as PM
Labour are going to be a lot higher than 266 - possibly over 290
I know how he feels - I sort of assumed if I was finally doing so, I'd be part of at least a mini tide. I've always thought of myself as easily influenced and goes with the flow kind of chap.
Turns out that flow was PB Tories, and the voters were heading the other way.
I didn't vote Tory, but would have preferred May to Corbyn as PM. First time I didn't prefer the Lab leader!
I still don't see any route from here to a Corbyn premiership.
Thank fuck.
Tory NOM, Boris, Faron or Hammond, as PM, a rethink on Hard Brexit, a new election in October.
Yes, I think we're looking at 330 seats, but May is done. Literally fucking done.
Seems like you are not happy !
I'll be happy if we get to 320 seats by tomorrow morning and Theresa May is gone by Monday, plus an EEA/EFTA Brexit. Would be the ideal result for me personally because I don't think hard Brexit is optimal.
How fast do Tory party rules allow it to dispose of a failed leader; will she remain PM for a month or two?
I still don't see any route from here to a Corbyn premiership.
Thank fuck.
Tory NOM, Boris, Faron or Hammond, as PM, a rethink on Hard Brexit, a new election in October.
Yes, I think we're looking at 330 seats, but May is done. Literally fucking done.
Seems like you are not happy !
I'll be happy if we get to 320 seats by tomorrow morning and Theresa May is gone by Monday, plus an EEA/EFTA Brexit. Would be the ideal result for me personally because I don't think hard Brexit is optimal.
To be honest, Max, it wouldn't surprised me if Brexit is kicked into the long grass now. All the EU27 have to do is vote unanimously to extend the A50 period indefinitely, or for 5-10 years, and do a new treaty with the UK, perhaps generously putting Dave's deal back on the table again.
Then I and millions like me will be back to voting UKIP again.
Do you think I'm ever voting or supporting UKIP again given how their voters have broken for Labour, tonight?
UKIP'ers might have ended up betraying their own Brexit.
Wow, are we onto blaming the voters already?
The Kippers, yes. Turns out they weren't voting Kipper for the UKIP bit.
I wouldn't be so sure about this. I wouldn't be surprised if some of this is pissed off Tory Remainers voting Labour.
I still don't see any route from here to a Corbyn premiership.
Thank fuck.
Tory NOM, Boris, Faron or Hammond, as PM, a rethink on Hard Brexit, a new election in October.
Yes, I think we're looking at 330 seats, but May is done. Literally fucking done.
Seems like you are not happy !
I'll be happy if we get to 320 seats by tomorrow morning and Theresa May is gone by Monday, plus an EEA/EFTA Brexit. Would be the ideal result for me personally because I don't think hard Brexit is optimal.
To be honest, Max, it wouldn't surprised me if Brexit is kicked into the long grass now. All the EU27 have to do is vote unanimously to extend the A50 period indefinitely, or for 5-10 years, and do a new treaty with the UK, perhaps generously putting Dave's deal back on the table again.
Then I and millions like me will be back to voting UKIP again.
Do you think I'm ever voting or supporting UKIP again given how their voters have broken for Labour, tonight?
UKIP'ers might have ended up betraying their own Brexit.
Its not about Labour or the Tories its about our country. It is a shame you don't see that.
You support the abolition of the UK so the sanctimony is unbecoming.
I still don't see any route from here to a Corbyn premiership.
Thank fuck.
Tory NOM, Boris, Faron or Hammond, as PM, a rethink on Hard Brexit, a new election in October.
Yes, I think we're looking at 330 seats, but May is done. Literally fucking done.
Seems like you are not happy !
I'll be happy if we get to 320 seats by tomorrow morning and Theresa May is gone by Monday, plus an EEA/EFTA Brexit. Would be the ideal result for me personally because I don't think hard Brexit is optimal.
How fast do Tory party rules allow it to dispose of a failed leader; will she remain PM for a month or two?
I know how he feels - I sort of assumed if I was finally doing so, I'd be part of at least a mini tide. I've always thought of myself as easily influenced and goes with the flow kind of chap.
Turns out that flow was PB Tories, and the voters were heading the other way.
This was my first time voting Labour, and considering I voted LD last few times I am finally part of a high tide not a low one.
I still don't see any route from here to a Corbyn premiership.
Thank fuck.
Tory NOM, Boris, Faron or Hammond, as PM, a rethink on Hard Brexit, a new election in October.
Yes, I think we're looking at 330 seats, but May is done. Literally fucking done.
Seems like you are not happy !
I'll be happy if we get to 320 seats by tomorrow morning and Theresa May is gone by Monday, plus an EEA/EFTA Brexit. Would be the ideal result for me personally because I don't think hard Brexit is optimal.
To be honest, Max, it wouldn't surprised me if Brexit is kicked into the long grass now. All the EU27 have to do is vote unanimously to extend the A50 period indefinitely, or for 5-10 years, and do a new treaty with the UK, perhaps generously putting Dave's deal back on the table again.
Then I and millions like me will be back to voting UKIP again.
Do you think I'm ever voting or supporting UKIP again given how their voters have broken for Labour, tonight?
UKIP'ers might have ended up betraying their own Brexit.
Its not about Labour or the Tories its about our country. It is a shame you don't see that.
too many Pb comments, i'm just skipping to the last page on each thread. What's the PB consensus so far? tory minority govt, lab coalition of chaos, or tory eeking out a majority?
Jeremy Corbyn's biggest asset was being a straight-talking ordinary human being. Voters can see through lies, spin, and non-answers. They are better informed and less deferential than they used to be. It's no longer the Sun wot wun it.
I still don't see any route from here to a Corbyn premiership.
Thank fuck.
Tory NOM, Boris, Faron or Hammond, as PM, a rethink on Hard Brexit, a new election in October.
Yes, I think we're looking at 330 seats, but May is done. Literally fucking done.
Seems like you are not happy !
I'll be happy if we get to 320 seats by tomorrow morning and Theresa May is gone by Monday, plus an EEA/EFTA Brexit. Would be the ideal result for me personally because I don't think hard Brexit is optimal.
To be honest, Max, it wouldn't surprised me if Brexit is kicked into the long grass now. All the EU27 have to do is vote unanimously to extend the A50 period indefinitely, or for 5-10 years, and do a new treaty with the UK, perhaps generously putting Dave's deal back on the table again.
Then I and millions like me will be back to voting UKIP again.
The Conservative Party made a major error. Brexit has always been a JOURNEY. The best thing for the country was for us to take back, over the next decade, ever greater amounts of power.
This way we could have completely removed the "money" issue, as we'd pay in during the transition but not take out. We'd be able to negotiate new trade deals.
Gah.
They can do that, personally having voted Remain I would not be unhappy with that but inevitably it will mean some swingback to UKIP, however perhaps the Tories can win some centrists back from LDs and Labour
I still don't see any route from here to a Corbyn premiership.
Thank fuck.
Tory NOM, Boris, Faron or Hammond, as PM, a rethink on Hard Brexit, a new election in October.
Yes, I think we're looking at 330 seats, but May is done. Literally fucking done.
Seems like you are not happy !
I'll be happy if we get to 320 seats by tomorrow morning and Theresa May is gone by Monday, plus an EEA/EFTA Brexit. Would be the ideal result for me personally because I don't think hard Brexit is optimal.
How fast do Tory party rules allow it to dispose of a failed leader; will she remain PM for a month or two?
They are very experienced at deposing leaders.
I think like Gordon Brown who wanted the job so much, Theresa May will be so desperate to cling on that she will dig in with her kitten heels...fucking tragic
Jeremy Corbyn's biggest asset was being a straight-talking ordinary human being. Voters can see through lies, spin, and non-answers. They are better informed and less deferential than they used to be. It's no longer the Sun wot wun it.
He may even end up PM but he is still a shameless liar.
I still don't see any route from here to a Corbyn premiership.
Thank fuck.
Tory NOM, Boris, Faron or Hammond, as PM, a rethink on Hard Brexit, a new election in October.
Yes, I think we're looking at 330 seats, but May is done. Literally fucking done.
Seems like you are not happy !
I'll be happy if we get to 320 seats by tomorrow morning and Theresa May is gone by Monday, plus an EEA/EFTA Brexit. Would be the ideal result for me personally because I don't think hard Brexit is optimal.
To be honest, Max, it wouldn't surprised me if Brexit is kicked into the long grass now. All the EU27 have to do is vote unanimously to extend the A50 period indefinitely, or for 5-10 years, and do a new treaty with the UK, perhaps generously putting Dave's deal back on the table again.
Then I and millions like me will be back to voting UKIP again.
Do you think I'm ever voting or supporting UKIP again given how their voters have broken for Labour, tonight?
UKIP'ers might have ended up betraying their own Brexit.
Its not about Labour or the Tories its about our country. It is a shame you don't see that.
@1000cuts: I'm being told - *told* - by a journalist that the LDs are set to take Witney.
That was David Cameron's seat.
I know a few former Cons that are voting LD in Witney... Farmers mainly. I referenced them earlier on. Look out for Henley, as likely to fall as Witney, plus there has been a decent presence by them in the past few weeks. Very unlikely for either though.
too many Pb comments, i'm just skipping to the last page on each thread. What's the PB consensus so far? tory minority govt, lab coalition of chaos, or tory eeking out a majority?
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Go Basildon 1987 style!!! +3% swing
Smithson jnr for PM....
Is this a KLAXON??
I have a feeling this won't be my night, anywhere, anyhow.
Under Osborne's watch, the Tories went from 198 seats to 331.
Under the pound shop Gordon Brown the Tories could be sub 300 seats AGAINST Jeremy Corbyn
Turns out that flow was PB Tories, and the voters were heading the other way.
CON 45% LAB 40%
No extra seats for them to gain there, though.
That was David Cameron's seat.
https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/872966994739568640
May 2.18
Corbyn 3.35
Boris 8.04
I think Boris could well emerge as our "Churchillian" national emergency PM.
Greening loses her seat???
I knew that would hurt the Cons in E&W.
REVENGE OF THE REMAINERS.
What's happening in Watford? Any rumours about here?
Brexit is dead in the water.
The labour posters in the rural Tory shires were a harbinger of things to come.
Needs to be a centrist Tory, if any are left...