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  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Labour up 10 points in Harrogate.

    HARROGATE!!!
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    edited June 2017
    tlg86 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @mshafiquk: BREAKING NEWS: conservatives say that Zac Goldsmith has won in Richmond Park, defeating Lib Dems Sarah Olney #GE2017

    Oh for fuck sake!
    UNS is completely and utterly shot. I have seen no evidence that it is not completely done this election.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    notme said:

    rpjs said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Exit Poll had Tories

    rpjs said:

    AR404 said:

    Why the hell didn't they do the boundaries when they had the chance? What a mess, no chance of that now, they've preserved Labour for a generation

    They have, but the new boundaries don't come into effect until next year. Well in time for the scheduled 2020 election.
    Sorry, what scheduled 2020 election?
    Precisely. AIUI the new boundaries are locked in and will apply for any general election from next year. It'd take primary legislation to undo them.
    The order still needs to be approved does it not?
    They are still reviewing the initial BC proposals and have not issued the revised proposals yet , another 15 months or so to go before the whole process is complete .
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,683
    Scott_P said:

    @mshafiquk: BREAKING NEWS: conservatives say that Zac Goldsmith has won in Richmond Park, defeating Lib Dems Sarah Olney #GE2017

    Tories hold Richmond would be better than expected
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,853

    It is to be hoped the moderates in labour keep a check on Corbyn

    Yes, they've certainly done a fine job on that so far.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,924
    JonathanD said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    ARE WE WITNESSING THE END OF BREXIT?

    It is dead in the water !!!
    No, this was an anti austerity vote, not an anti Brexit vote, soft Brexit maybe
    Except Cameron was able to win in 2015 after 5 years of austerity. Indeed he made a virtue of sound money.

    The same Cameron who promised no tax increases, spending increases across the board and whose government borrowed hundreds of billions more than it forecast it would.
  • TypoTypo Posts: 195
    May now a laughing stock - 'the fresh air on that walking holiday went to her head'
  • GarzaGarza Posts: 45

    Lady Sylvia holds North Down - think she may be pro-Labour?

    Yeah, she votes with Labour more often than nought.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,535
    MaxPB said:

    I am betting now on a Tory minority,

    Yes it certainly looks that way. They will need the DUP for sure.
    I am scrambling for the life rafts now. Bet big time on Tory comfortable win.

    Jezza. When will politics become normal and staid again?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Article 50 already triggered. So too late.

    It can be revoked
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,216
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @mshafiquk: BREAKING NEWS: conservatives say that Zac Goldsmith has won in Richmond Park, defeating Lib Dems Sarah Olney #GE2017

    Tories hold Richmond would be better than expected
    Yes but Zac won it instead.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,894

    And the winner is ..... YOUGOV.

    No shit.

    A lot of posters need to send apologetic emails to Peter Kellner.
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,843
    Fuck me that is bad for the SNP. SNP down more than Lab up. -15%!!
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    surbiton said:

    JonathanD said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    ARE WE WITNESSING THE END OF BREXIT?

    It is dead in the water !!!
    No, this was an anti austerity vote, not an anti Brexit vote, soft Brexit maybe
    Except Cameron was able to win in 2015 after 5 years of austerity. Indeed he made a virtue of sound money.

    Because May talked only about Brexit. She took Tory voters for granted.

    And the 18-24 year olds turned out.

    Where is Martin Boon now ?
    It has to be said, some of the campaigning material that was being put about in London was bizarre. All about the best person to negotiate Brexit.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @mshafiquk: BREAKING NEWS: conservatives say that Zac Goldsmith has won in Richmond Park, defeating Lib Dems Sarah Olney #GE2017

    Tories hold Richmond would be better than expected
    That is a surprise.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Scott_P said:

    @JamieRoss7: John Curtice says the Rutherglen gain for Labour suggests the SNP is in for a night of "quite substantial losses".

    Yes, yes, yes!
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,120

    Hard Brexit has died.

    All we need is taxes to go not up massively for most people in this country, and I'm happy.

    Brexit is gone...finished...garroted....
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Ruth is going to be the only good Tory news it seems.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,748
    Danny565 said:

    Labour up 10 points in Harrogate.

    HARROGATE!!!

    Harrogate? It's posher than God!
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    hunchman said:

    Lab gain Rutherglen!

    SNP going to be in for an absolute pasting
    SLAB take Glasgow?
  • EDW20000EDW20000 Posts: 138
    May and Corbyn next PM about to cross on BF
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158

    PB Tories going to bed...

    Chapeau to @SeanT and @MaxPB for staying up and sticking the knife in.

    They were right all along.

    I'm staying up to take it all...
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,124
    It might be that Zac Goldsmith has kept JC out of Downing Street.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,949

    Looking like a horrible night for the SNP

    And your Conservatives.

    You fucked Cameron, and fucked yourselves in the process.
    Can we not get personal against other posters please?
    LOL. How many times have you privately apologised to me in the past? Including 'withdrawing' a job contact I'd never even asked for.

    Please accept we're all tired and emotional - for different reasons - at the moment. People are blowing off.

    I'm loving this.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,683
    GIN1138 said:

    Brexit's dead in the water, that much is for certain. It's over!

    Corbyn likely to be Prime Minister in the days ahead.

    How he lives up to the hope and expectation the Millennials have placed on him god only knows,

    No he isn't, he will still be behind the Tories on seats, the SNP are also taking a pasting, most likely is Tory minority government, Hammond PM, with LD and DUP confidence and supply if necessary
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,843
    Sturgeon first leader to resign?
  • TypoTypo Posts: 195
    Surely IDS and Villiers are on shaky ground?
  • camelcamel Posts: 815
    UNS is dead
  • FattyBolgerFattyBolger Posts: 299
    Dura_Ace said:

    It is to be hoped the moderates in labour keep a check on Corbyn

    Yes, they've certainly done a fine job on that so far.
    No chance. Off the end of the pier bonkers...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,894

    Fuck me that is bad for the SNP. SNP down more than Lab up. -15%!!

    Pro-Unionist tactical voting.

    Good news for Ms Swinson.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830

    hunchman said:

    Lab gain Rutherglen!

    SNP going to be in for an absolute pasting
    SLAB take Glasgow?
    The exit poll figured they'd get at least one there.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    tyson said:

    Hard Brexit has died.

    All we need is taxes to go not up massively for most people in this country, and I'm happy.

    Brexit is gone...finished...garroted....
    Nothing is off the table until the next election.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    With Lab and Con gains, it is hard to see Lib Dems gaining seats other than in Scotlandshire.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,107
    OUT said:

    Stay up you tory ankers, take it on the chin.

    I take it fully on the chin and hope out of this that we can end up with a goverment in the national interest and would expect that we will end up staying in the EU
  • GeoffM said:

    kjohnw said:

    GeoffM said:

    ARE WE WITNESSING THE END OF BREXIT?

    No. This will mean harder Brexit.
    why?
    There will be no consensus in Parliament and no strong hand to guide negotiations.

    We'll end up leaving with no deal now.
    Except, that the continent's leaders and euro-parliamentary parties are watching the situation very carefully. They know that a deferred decision and process, hopefully forever, would be hugely in the Bloc's geo-political and financial interest.

    This might be something rather similar the ridiculous game-playing with Turkish membership *into* the Union, but in reverse.
    rather similar *to*, that should say there.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,949
    Is this a revival for the SNP in Scotland? If so, I never expected it.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Con up by 12% in the Scottish seat!
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    Typo said:

    Surely IDS and Villiers are on shaky ground?

    If IDS goes then that is the Portillo moment.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Dura_Ace said:

    It is to be hoped the moderates in labour keep a check on Corbyn

    Yes, they've certainly done a fine job on that so far.
    That manifesto is a lot more moderate than Corbyn's and McMao's views, so they have.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,006

    Jezza. When will politics become normal and staid again?

    Not for a long time.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Now we know why Nicola panicked. She was worried about a raft of SLab gains. Hmm.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,635
    Labour have threaded the needle in Rutherglen.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    edited June 2017
    I'm so depressed right now. I've only been a PB Tory for 14 hours and the world has come crashing down.

    David Cameron, you were right about everything. I really liked the coalition too, and now the top figures are all gone.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,289
    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Brexit's dead in the water, that much is for certain. It's over!

    Corbyn likely to be Prime Minister in the days ahead.

    How he lives up to the hope and expectation the Millennials have placed on him god only knows,

    No he isn't, he will still be behind the Tories on seats, the SNP are also taking a pasting, most likely is Tory minority government, Hammond PM, with LD and DUP confidence and supply if necessary
    The LDs won't C&S Hammond to push Brexit through. Indeed they won't really want any deal with the Tories at all.
  • EDW20000EDW20000 Posts: 138
    Zac G could be good bet for next leader
  • Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    Danny565 said:

    Labour up 10 points in Harrogate.

    HARROGATE!!!

    Labour has just owned the Remain vote, and added the nativist Labour anti-Tory leave vote.

    You have to say that Corbyn's strategy of being equivocal on Brexit was right.

  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Lady Sylvia holds North Down - think she may be pro-Labour?

    Yes she is.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,253
    SeanT said:

    If Brexit is cancelled then I want us all in. Join Schengen. EU army, direct elections to the EU commission and an EU president. The works. In or out.

    You would lose your bet to williamglenn, and vindicate him.
  • TravelJunkieTravelJunkie Posts: 431
    Labour doing well in Basingstoke....Basingstoke in Hampshire omg
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,924

    Hard Brexit has died.

    All we need is taxes to go not up massively for most people in this country, and I'm happy.

    Whether they go up or not the result is going to be the same.

    We're all going to become poorer.

    The magic money trees we've been shaking since 2000 are running out of leaves.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    kle4 said:

    It is to be hoped the moderates in labour keep a check on Corbyn

    How? He was right about everything and won when not even his own people thought he would - they will be beholden to him.
    That is how I see it
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @iainjwatson: The reason rutherglen is significant is that labour sources briefed me on the few Scottish seats they hoped to win and this wasn't one
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,253
    At least the SNP are taking a bit of a pasting in Scotland.

    That's something.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Brexit's dead in the water, that much is for certain. It's over!

    Corbyn likely to be Prime Minister in the days ahead.

    How he lives up to the hope and expectation the Millennials have placed on him god only knows,

    No he isn't, he will still be behind the Tories on seats, the SNP are also taking a pasting, most likely is Tory minority government, Hammond PM, with LD and DUP confidence and supply if necessary
    Are you sure. If Conservatives are losing places like Putney and Witney?
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Lady Sylvia run close by DUP
  • EDW20000EDW20000 Posts: 138
    Corbyn fav PM on BF
    Its real
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    Typo said:

    Surely IDS and Villiers are on shaky ground?

    If IDS goes then that is the Portillo moment.
    IDS won't go. I was supposed to be at the count tonight, and was told that anything but 2 Lab & 1 Con from Waltham forest would be a political earthquake.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I wonder what the SNP will seek for supporting a minority Labour administration.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,993
    Corbyn has been clear on Brexit. As Laura K pointed out why should it be assumed Ukip voters would all go Tory? You've got a perfectly good Eurosceptic in Corbyn. Combined with the Russell Brand/Lily Allen vote it's quite powerful.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,949
    If Corbyn becomes PM, even of a minority, then he's a dictator. He's seen off opposition both intra- and extra- his party. He's the boss.

    Well done to him. A relatively brilliant campaign.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    GeoffM said:

    Lady Sylvia holds North Down - think she may be pro-Labour?

    Yes she is.
    Before Corbyn she was
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,216
    EDW20000 said:

    Zac G could be good bet for next leader

    I for one would not vote Tory in those circumstances.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    With Lab and Con gains, it is hard to see Lib Dems gaining seats other than in Scotlandshire.


    Agreed.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,107

    With Lab and Con gains, it is hard to see Lib Dems gaining seats other than in Scotlandshire.

    Scotland - no such place as Scotlandshire but it is late
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,683

    ARE WE WITNESSING THE END OF BREXIT?


    Article 50 already triggered. So too late.
    This is NOT a vote against Brexit, except in Remain areas (which are a minority of the country), elsewhere it is a vote against austerity, public sector cuts and inequality, that is the mood Corbyn has caught after 7 years of cuts. This result may well end austerity as much as it ends hard Brexit, soft Brexit is still likely. In Scotland it is a vote against indyref2
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Harrogate changes:

    Con +2.7%
    LD +1.4%
    Lab +9.9%
    Ind +1.0%
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,924
    surbiton said:

    JonathanD said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    ARE WE WITNESSING THE END OF BREXIT?

    It is dead in the water !!!
    No, this was an anti austerity vote, not an anti Brexit vote, soft Brexit maybe
    Except Cameron was able to win in 2015 after 5 years of austerity. Indeed he made a virtue of sound money.

    Because May talked only about Brexit. She took Tory voters for granted.

    And the 18-24 year olds turned out.

    Where is Martin Boon now ?
    Sell ICM shares
    Buy YouGov shares
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    kle4 said:

    I'm so depressed right now. I've only been a PB Tory for 14 hours and the world has come crashing down.

    Eh? So this is all your fault? You jinxed this?

  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    DavidL said:

    EDW20000 said:

    Zac G could be good bet for next leader

    I for one would not vote Tory in those circumstances.
    Ditto. Slimy backstabbing twit.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786
    I think we will stay in the EU now. The pressure to do it will be hugr
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    JonathanD said:

    MattyNeth said:

    UKIP voters appear to be taking the piss, and don't seem to understand what they voted for in 2016!

    They voted for £350m extra per week for the NHS.
    Correct, and Jezza knew that while Tessa did not.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,107
    Peter Hain not endorsing Corbyn as a Prime Minister
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,672
    rcs1000 said:

    Fuck me that is bad for the SNP. SNP down more than Lab up. -15%!!

    Pro-Unionist tactical voting.

    Good news for Ms Swinson.
    +12% Conservative in Rutherglen wasn't tactical.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,635
    I've got 6 grand of student debt, I do hope Corbyn will write it all off.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    tyson said:

    Hard Brexit has died.

    All we need is taxes to go not up massively for most people in this country, and I'm happy.

    Brexit is gone...finished...garroted....
    tyson. I'm speaking to you honestly here. PB Tories think Corbyn will be economically a disaster for us.

    What do you think? Do you think it's just an exaggeration?

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Rutherglen & Hamilton West

    Lab 37.5 (+2.3)
    SNP 37 (-15.5)
    Con 19.5 (+12)

    Thank you, Ruth ! LOL.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    Can't wait for the polling inquest after this election. ICM and ComRes reputations trashed
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,318
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Brexit's dead in the water, that much is for certain. It's over!

    Corbyn likely to be Prime Minister in the days ahead.

    How he lives up to the hope and expectation the Millennials have placed on him god only knows,

    No he isn't, he will still be behind the Tories on seats, the SNP are also taking a pasting, most likely is Tory minority government, Hammond PM, with LD and DUP confidence and supply if necessary
    The LDs won't C&S Hammond to push Brexit through. Indeed they won't really want any deal with the Tories at all.
    Indeed, it's why hard Brexit is dead. I think we'll end up with a second referendum with EEA/EFTA vs hard Brexit as part of the compromise for LD support on the Brexit deal.
  • BlueberryBlueberry Posts: 408
    Alison Holt‏ @AlisonHolt1 4m4 minutes ago
    More
    Vauxhall constituency turnout 77% - Kate Hoey Constituency- Labour team feeling v confident despite fierce Lib Dem campaign #GE2017

    I hope so.

    Turnout 72% in Dulwich and 71% in Streatham.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,949

    Corbyn has been clear on Brexit. As Laura K pointed out why should it be assumed Ukip voters would all go Tory? You've got a perfectly good Eurosceptic in Corbyn. Combined with the Russell Brand/Lily Allen vote it's quite powerful.

    People were confusing Eurosceptic and Europhobic.
  • Tories to win Berwickshire, Dumfries & Galloway, Aberdeenshire West, Aberdeen South, Edinburgh SW, Perth & N Perthshire

    Moray, East Lothian, Refrewshire East???
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  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Mike_Blackley: Labour think they've won E Lothian as well as Rutherglen and expect Ian Murray to secure majority of more than 10,000 in Edinburgh South.
  • Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    Why don't Ed Balls and George Osborne just run the country?

    These guys are wasted outside the Commons, and are clearly good friends.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Garza said:

    Lady Sylvia holds North Down - think she may be pro-Labour?

    Yeah, she votes with Labour more often than nought.
    There's goes my 500-1 free bet.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,144
    surbiton said:

    Rutherglen & Hamilton West

    Lab 37.5 (+2.3)
    SNP 37 (-15.5)
    Con 19.5 (+12)

    Thank you, Ruth ! LOL.
    We're a team up in Scotland. I really do hope the SNP underperform the exit poll! :D
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,889
    PM Corbyn practically Evens on Betfair!

    ******!!!!!
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    The SNP are hopefully getting fucked below 30! Yipee.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,636
    Pulpstar said:

    I've got 6 grand of student debt, I do hope Corbyn will write it all off.

    I have 25k of student debt. :(
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,257

    Sturgeon first leader to resign?

    There's going to be quite a race in a crowded field.....
  • EDW20000EDW20000 Posts: 138
    Clegg looking increasingly beaten
    end of an era
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  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,635
    Well the urban-rural polarisation is happening.
  • George Osborne warns that the Tories are facing disaster in the south. Labour looking certain to be the biggest party.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    I wonder what the SNP will seek for supporting a minority Labour administration.

    IndyRef 2
    Single Market membership
    Maybe even EUref 2
  • Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    Labour to GAIN Ipswich?
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    Can't wait for the polling inquest after this election. ICM and ComRes reputations trashed

    Every pollster makes mistakes. But what really grates was that ICM guy sounding so arrogant that he was right, and trashing any pollsters showing more optimistic results for Labour.
  • houndtanghoundtang Posts: 450

    Corbyn has been clear on Brexit. As Laura K pointed out why should it be assumed Ukip voters would all go Tory? You've got a perfectly good Eurosceptic in Corbyn. Combined with the Russell Brand/Lily Allen vote it's quite powerful.

    Yeah to be fair it was always assumed that UKIP was taking votes off Tories but in 2015 they took more votes off Labour

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