The Harris campaign sucked. If all you have is calling your opponent a fascist , you don’t have much. I completely missed the big theme attracting voters to her. Walz was a dead weight.
To be fair to Harris she ran a better campaign than Hillary, mentioned cost of living, Walz was on paper a good pick for middle America. Just Middle America has clearly decided it wants an authoritarian leader, I don't think there was anything she could do to stop it
I am profoundly depressed by this. And am going to bed. I really worry about Ukraine tonight.
Other NATO nations will have to step up to the plate and fund it, G20 nations will also no doubt be preparing retaliatory tariffs for the tariffs Trump is about to impose on their imports
Not telling Biden to retire earlier when it was obvious he was too elderly was a huge mistake. It was bad for him and bad for everyone else.
Biden is a jerk.
He promised to be a bridge to the next generation, and then failed to make any provision to do so,
He could have pushed Kamala to the Supreme Court, found a more papabile candidate, and then allowed them to postion themselves through 23/24.
Some of us were saying this two years ago. Biden is senile, it’s getting worse, if the Dems don’t replace him it will end in disaster
And yet half of PB was saying “he just has a stammer”, “he likes falling over”, “his favourite pastime is drooling there’s no change”
About a year ago I met a Democratic operative who told me in all earnestness that Biden was the best President since John F Kennedy and - to my suggestions that he was no longer totally with it - suggested I was guilty of intolerable muckraking.
The intensity of the denial was extraordinary
Everything they said about Trump, from the contempt for democracy to the cult-like partisanship was just so much projection.
I mean, that's bullshit, isn't it? However much you dislike Biden and Harris, the 'cult' around them is nothing like the cult around Trump.
The Harris campaign sucked. If all you have is calling your opponent a fascist , you don’t have much. I completely missed the big theme attracting voters to her. Walz was a dead weight.
Kamala is only just winning voters under 30. Biden won them by 20+
I wonder Trump and Vance strategy of going on all those podcasts helped them? Where as Harris wouldn't even do an interview that lasted more than 10 mins.
The bits I watched of Trump doing Rogan, if all you had been told was he was Orange Hitler you would have come away scratching your head going I don't understand. He talked nonsense on policy (but I doubt most people fully understand the economics of tariffs), but he was perfectly engaging when talking about things like MMA.
One thing about 'female voters' is that they may just be more organised and therefore likely to vote early? A bit of a gender stereotype but possibly a factor.
I am profoundly depressed by this. And am going to bed. I really worry about Ukraine tonight.
Other NATO nations will have to step up to the plate and fund it, G20 nations will also no doubt be preparing retaliatory tariffs for the tariffs Trump is about to impose on their imports
NATO may well be dead.
Even without US support it can't be otherwise nothing to stop Putin marching across Europe all the way to Berlin
NATO itself may be dead. Alternatives may have to be established.
Europe cannot afford its current fiscal burden. Pushing defence budgets to 4% implies yet more austerity.
Beyond that, much of Europe can’t really be relied upon. Britain and a few others will find itself shouldering much of the burden.
Every European nation is going to have to increase some taxes and cut non defence spending if necessary until military spending across Europe is sufficient to contain Putin.
There is no alternative, this is the most dangerous time in global politics since the 1930s and with a trade war coming to match
Not telling Biden to retire earlier when it was obvious he was too elderly was a huge mistake. It was bad for him and bad for everyone else.
Biden is a jerk.
He promised to be a bridge to the next generation, and then failed to make any provision to do so,
He could have pushed Kamala to the Supreme Court, found a more papabile candidate, and then allowed them to postion themselves through 23/24.
Some of us were saying this two years ago. Biden is senile, it’s getting worse, if the Dems don’t replace him it will end in disaster
And yet half of PB was saying “he just has a stammer”, “he likes falling over”, “his favourite pastime is drooling there’s no change”
About a year ago I met a Democratic operative who told me in all earnestness that Biden was the best President since John F Kennedy and - to my suggestions that he was no longer totally with it - suggested I was guilty of intolerable muckraking.
The intensity of the denial was extraordinary
Everything they said about Trump, from the contempt for democracy to the cult-like partisanship was just so much projection.
I am profoundly depressed by this. And am going to bed. I really worry about Ukraine tonight.
Other NATO nations will have to step up to the plate and fund it, G20 nations will also no doubt be preparing retaliatory tariffs for the tariffs Trump is about to impose on their imports
NATO may well be dead.
Even without US support it can't be otherwise nothing to stop Putin marching across Europe all the way to Berlin
NATO itself may be dead. Alternatives may have to be established.
Europe cannot afford its current fiscal burden. Pushing defence budgets to 4% implies yet more austerity.
Beyond that, much of Europe can’t really be relied upon. Britain and a few others will find itself shouldering much of the burden.
Every European nation is going to have to increase some taxes and cut non defence spending if necessary until military spending across Europe is sufficient to contain Putin.
There is no alternative, this is the most dangerous time in global politics since the 1930s and with a trade war coming to match
I am profoundly depressed by this. And am going to bed. I really worry about Ukraine tonight.
Trump didn't actually do many things between 2016 and 2020, it was mostly all talk.
He did a lot. Re-Negotiated NAFTA, Space Force, moved the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, menaced the NKoreans, gave Russia free rein, Afghanistan, etc. And in Term II will do a lot more.
Not telling Biden to retire earlier when it was obvious he was too elderly was a huge mistake. It was bad for him and bad for everyone else.
Biden is a jerk.
He promised to be a bridge to the next generation, and then failed to make any provision to do so,
He could have pushed Kamala to the Supreme Court, found a more papabile candidate, and then allowed them to postion themselves through 23/24.
Some of us were saying this two years ago. Biden is senile, it’s getting worse, if the Dems don’t replace him it will end in disaster
And yet half of PB was saying “he just has a stammer”, “he likes falling over”, “his favourite pastime is drooling there’s no change”
I don't think any candidate was likely to beat Trump based on this result.
Middle America was going to vote for tariffs on imports and America First abroad and that is what they are going to get.
Florida voters have even rejected fuller abortion rights in their state constitution. This is a clear swing right in the US and looks like the GOP will take Congress too
Florida voters are voting FOR fuller abortion right, just NOT by required 60% super-majority.
I am profoundly depressed by this. And am going to bed. I really worry about Ukraine tonight.
Other NATO nations will have to step up to the plate and fund it, G20 nations will also no doubt be preparing retaliatory tariffs for the tariffs Trump is about to impose on their imports
NATO may well be dead.
Even without US support it can't be otherwise nothing to stop Putin marching across Europe all the way to Berlin
NATO itself may be dead. Alternatives may have to be established.
Europe cannot afford its current fiscal burden. Pushing defence budgets to 4% implies yet more austerity.
Beyond that, much of Europe can’t really be relied upon. Britain and a few others will find itself shouldering much of the burden.
Every European nation is going to have to increase some taxes and cut non defence spending if necessary until military spending across Europe is sufficient to contain Putin.
There is no alternative, this is the most dangerous time in global politics since the 1930s and with a trade war coming to match
The Harris campaign sucked. If all you have is calling your opponent a fascist , you don’t have much. I completely missed the big theme attracting voters to her. Walz was a dead weight.
To be fair to Harris she ran a better campaign than Hillary, it
People will say someone else would have won. I am incredibly sceptical.
Was it the economy all along?
Possibly the most important decision:
The administration moved to suspend Remain in Mexico on Mr Biden's first day in the White House in January 2021. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) moved to officially terminate the policy in June the same year.
Kamala is only just winning voters under 30. Biden won them by 20+
I wonder Trump and Vance strategy of going on all those podcasts helped them? Where as Harris wouldn't even do an interview that lasted more than 10 mins.
The bits I watched of Trump doing Rogan, if all you had been told was he was Orange Hitler you would have come away scratching your head going I don't understand. He talked nonsense on policy (but I doubt most people fully understand the economics of tariffs), but he was perfectly engaging when talking about things like MMA.
The Vance interview with Rogan was even better. He came across as just another middle American dude.
Honestly at this point if Trump wins the popular vote as well fair play. He won fair and square.
Goodnight
Yes Americans can't complain or excuse the fact most of them likely voted for Trump this year unlike 2016. They own it and the consequences his victory may have for the global economy and security
Kamala is only just winning voters under 30. Biden won them by 20+
I wonder Trump and Vance strategy of going on all those podcasts helped them? Where as Harris wouldn't even do an interview that lasted more than 10 mins.
The bits I watched of Trump doing Rogan, if all you had been told was he was Orange Hitler you would have come away scratching your head going I don't understand. He talked nonsense on policy (but I doubt most people fully understand the economics of tariffs), but he was perfectly engaging when talking about things like MMA.
The Vance interview with Rogan was even better. He came across as just another middle American dude.
So Sandpit, what do you think Trump will do to help Ukraine?
Yes, the end of trying to treat people equally, and the start of the smashing of the rights of minorities. And women...
A consensus has formed based on the male female voting split that women have too much power in western societies. This has to be addressed for the good of society. Also Putin will be waking up with a smile this morning. Much of Ukraine will now likely be handed to Russia and Ukraine will be reduced to a rump state. Its over for Zelensky.
Yes, the end of trying to treat people equally, and the start of the smashing of the rights of minorities. And women...
A consensus has formed based on the male female voting split that women have too much power in western societies. This has to be addressed for the good of society. Also Putin will be waking up with a smile this morning. Much of Ukraine will now likely be handed to Russia and Ukraine will be reduced to a rump state. Its over for Zelensky.
Harris has managed to ship both Jewish and Muslim votes lol.
She got caught running different ads in different communities, now both groups voted against her. Will be interesting to see how many states had Jill Stein’s vote more than the gap to Trump.
Yes, the end of trying to treat people equally, and the start of the smashing of the rights of minorities. And women...
A consensus has formed based on the male female voting split that women have too much power in western societies. This has to be addressed for the good of society. Also Putin will be waking up with a smile this morning. Much of Ukraine will now likely be handed to Russia and Ukraine will be reduced to a rump state. Its over for Zelensky.
Yes, the end of trying to treat people equally, and the start of the smashing of the rights of minorities. And women...
A consensus has formed based on the male female voting split that women have too much power in western societies. This has to be addressed for the good of society. Also Putin will be waking up with a smile this morning. Much of Ukraine will now likely be handed to Russia and Ukraine will be reduced to a rump state. Its over for Zelensky.
Replacing a half-arsed policy that wasn't working with something much worse. Ugh.
This is all wonderful news. I didn't go to bed when i said i would, I am up about 40% on the night, the party i wanted to win are winning, the banter era is back, and lots of people i quite dislike are coping and seething. Adieu.
Yes, the end of trying to treat people equally, and the start of the smashing of the rights of minorities. And women...
A consensus has formed based on the male female voting split that women have too much power in western societies. This has to be addressed for the good of society. Also Putin will be waking up with a smile this morning. Much of Ukraine will now likely be handed to Russia and Ukraine will be reduced to a rump state. Its over for Zelensky.
Post 1 of how many?
Anotjer thing is the importance of free debate not dismissing people as russian trolls. That paves the way for Trump. Women and minorities are now in the firing line.
Yes, the end of trying to treat people equally, and the start of the smashing of the rights of minorities. And women...
A consensus has formed based on the male female voting split that women have too much power in western societies. This has to be addressed for the good of society. Also Putin will be waking up with a smile this morning. Much of Ukraine will now likely be handed to Russia and Ukraine will be reduced to a rump state. Its over for Zelensky.
Yes, the end of trying to treat people equally, and the start of the smashing of the rights of minorities. And women...
A consensus has formed based on the male female voting split that women have too much power in western societies. This has to be addressed for the good of society. Also Putin will be waking up with a smile this morning. Much of Ukraine will now likely be handed to Russia and Ukraine will be reduced to a rump state. Its over for Zelensky.
Post 1 of how many?
Anotjer thing is the importance of free debate not dismissing people as russian trolls. That paves the way for Trump. Women and minorities are now in the firing line.
This is all wonderful news. I didn't go to bed when i said i would, I am up about 40% on the night, the party i wanted to win are winning, the banter era is back, and lots of people i quite dislike are coping and seething. Adieu.
Why do you see a Trump win as 'wonderful news' ?
And as a matter of interest, which country do you call home?
Yes, the end of trying to treat people equally, and the start of the smashing of the rights of minorities. And women...
A consensus has formed based on the male female voting split that women have too much power in western societies. This has to be addressed for the good of society. Also Putin will be waking up with a smile this morning. Much of Ukraine will now likely be handed to Russia and Ukraine will be reduced to a rump state. Its over for Zelensky.
The Russian bots have been emboldened.
Western societies are in freefall now divided and mistrustful. Its all very sad.
Yes, the end of trying to treat people equally, and the start of the smashing of the rights of minorities. And women...
A consensus has formed based on the male female voting split that women have too much power in western societies. This has to be addressed for the good of society. Also Putin will be waking up with a smile this morning. Much of Ukraine will now likely be handed to Russia and Ukraine will be reduced to a rump state. Its over for Zelensky.
It could be over for the western free market liberal world for the time being.
Trump will match his America First isolationism abroad and heavy immigration restrictions with massive tariffs and protectionism on imports to the US backed by what is almost certain to be a GOP majority Congress now and also abortion will be further restricted. There will be a war on woke from Trump too which will delight Badenoch, though arguably that is more leftism than liberalism
Yes, the end of trying to treat people equally, and the start of the smashing of the rights of minorities. And women...
A consensus has formed based on the male female voting split that women have too much power in western societies. This has to be addressed for the good of society. Also Putin will be waking up with a smile this morning. Much of Ukraine will now likely be handed to Russia and Ukraine will be reduced to a rump state. Its over for Zelensky.
It could be over for the western free market liberal world for the time being.
Trump will match his America First isolationism with massive tariffs and protectionism on imports to the US
Indeed. Russia will be emboldened. Starmer will be hung out to dry like the wet rag he is.
OK kids: it's 4am my time and I wanna go to bed. Because of those little dots (ME-2, whatever) I'm not sure it's possible for KH to win, and KH is KIA. Happy to be contradicted in the morning if wrong. I'll write my bet up into a "Chronicle of a Bet foretold" in the next week, but I won't talk about it until then as I'm sure you all have private griefs/triumphs. Good luck for the next four years to us all. Especially the Ukrainians
Yes, the end of trying to treat people equally, and the start of the smashing of the rights of minorities. And women...
A consensus has formed based on the male female voting split that women have too much power in western societies. This has to be addressed for the good of society. Also Putin will be waking up with a smile this morning. Much of Ukraine will now likely be handed to Russia and Ukraine will be reduced to a rump state. Its over for Zelensky.
It could be over for the western free market liberal world for the time being.
Trump will match his America First isolationism with massive tariffs and protectionism on imports to the US
Starmer needs to decide whether he tries to cosy up to Trump or tries to find other allies. I think Starmer's instincts, politics and professional history will be against Trump, and I can imagine Trump not liking Starmer, either.
Yes, the end of trying to treat people equally, and the start of the smashing of the rights of minorities. And women...
A consensus has formed based on the male female voting split that women have too much power in western societies. This has to be addressed for the good of society. Also Putin will be waking up with a smile this morning. Much of Ukraine will now likely be handed to Russia and Ukraine will be reduced to a rump state. Its over for Zelensky.
The Russian bots have been emboldened.
Western societies are in freefall now divided and mistrustful. Its all very sad.
Could be worse, we could be Russia. Imagine how shitty it must be to have lost a nearly a million men, have no tanks left to deploy, and relying on a bunch of NorKs who have never seen an enemy and have been shooting more Russians than Ukranians?
Yes, the end of trying to treat people equally, and the start of the smashing of the rights of minorities. And women...
A consensus has formed based on the male female voting split that women have too much power in western societies. This has to be addressed for the good of society. Also Putin will be waking up with a smile this morning. Much of Ukraine will now likely be handed to Russia and Ukraine will be reduced to a rump state. Its over for Zelensky.
It could be over for the western free market liberal world for the time being.
Trump will match his America First isolationism with massive tariffs and protectionism on imports to the US
Starmer needs to decide whether he tries to cosy up to Trump or tries to find other allies. I think Starmer's instincts, politics and professional history will be against Trump, and I can imagine Trump not liking Starmer, either.
A very bad result for the UK.
The UK has been busy estranging itself from the global order since 2016. This is another nail in the coffin.
Yes, the end of trying to treat people equally, and the start of the smashing of the rights of minorities. And women...
A consensus has formed based on the male female voting split that women have too much power in western societies. This has to be addressed for the good of society. Also Putin will be waking up with a smile this morning. Much of Ukraine will now likely be handed to Russia and Ukraine will be reduced to a rump state. Its over for Zelensky.
It could be over for the western free market liberal world for the time being.
Trump will match his America First isolationism with massive tariffs and protectionism on imports to the US
Indeed. Russia will be emboldened. Starmer will be hung out to dry like the wet rag he is.
Oh for Goodness sake HY - you arn’t supposed to give the PootBot likes. 🙄
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But at least I do. When was the last time you tried it?
The bits I watched of Trump doing Rogan, if all you had been told was he was Orange Hitler you would have come away scratching your head going I don't understand. He talked nonsense on policy (but I doubt most people fully understand the economics of tariffs), but he was perfectly engaging when talking about things like MMA.
Was it the economy all along?
That'll narrow when west coast comes in in a few minutes but still.
There is no alternative, this is the most dangerous time in global politics since the 1930s and with a trade war coming to match
Difficult to understate the importance of a liberated/rightwing TwitterX in all this
It is better news for Farage
So the fake electors scheme was just projection?
Goodnight
Betfair 96.2%
Polymarket 93.1%
NYT Needle 87%
Need some clarity on PA.
332 Trump
293 Stein
81 Harris
Regarding minorities, it seems like the Latinos voted Trump with some enthusiasm. Turkeys voting for Christmas?
The administration moved to suspend Remain in Mexico on Mr Biden's first day in the White House in January 2021. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) moved to officially terminate the policy in June the same year.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65574725
roundflat.....Shame. I used to respect him
Snorkelling sank without trace. ☹️
Also Putin will be waking up with a smile this morning. Much of Ukraine will now likely be handed to Russia and Ukraine will be reduced to a rump state. Its over for Zelensky.
"No surprises yet in Harris-Trump race as US waits on swing states"
https://www.bostonglobe.com
https://x.com/frankluntz/status/1854006962427764846
And as a matter of interest, which country do you call home?
I’m not shocked given the polls were so close. But one has to feel for those Americans who must wonder what on earth has happened to their country .
Trump will match his America First isolationism abroad and heavy immigration restrictions with massive tariffs and protectionism on imports to the US backed by what is almost certain to be a GOP majority Congress now and also abortion will be further restricted. There will be a war on woke from Trump too which will delight Badenoch, though arguably that is more leftism than liberalism
1.1% for Trump at the moment.
A very bad result for the UK.