Off topic, I'm perusing the breakfast menu in my train.
In "larger plates", The Great British Breakfast. Bacon, sausage, mushrooms, potato, fried egg and a tomato: 544 kcal In "lighter choices", Classic bacon sandwich: only...526kcal
Yes, who would have thought the governing party would pay for people to go and campaign for Harris.
Why not? The Tories and the people who own the Tories fund people to campaign for the GOP. Both sides have done it for years. Farage has been openly criticising "election interference" of Labour people going to campaign for Harris whilst he is in America campaigning for Trump.
You can't see the hypocrisy?
I believe this was the first time a governing party in the UK interfered to the extent of officially PAYING for people to go and campaign for one side in the USA
Quite bewilderingly stupid and destructive. But then, this is Starmer’s Labour. It’s what they do
This election has already made Labour a lame duck government
Why do you believe this? Can I refer you to 1992 as a starter for 10.
Did the Tories send over activists and officially offer to pay - in a way blessed and promoted by senior Tory figures - for their accommodation in the USA and other expenses during a US election, as they campaigned for the Republicans?
I find that hard to believe. But if the Tories did do that they were fucking imbeciles endangering our foreign policy and the special relationship
Just as Labour have been fucking imbeciles now, YET AGAIN, and will pay dearly for it. Unfortunately so will the rest of the UK
We need nigel and Kemi to go over there and reassure the Donald that everyone in the Uk already hates starmer and Labour won’t be here for long
Back! Well shit in a bag and punch it. Its January 1933.
Was hyperbole in fashion then?
It would seem! Germany voted in Hitler knowing what he was. America is voting in Trump knowing what he is. And in any election you always get the correct result because you get what you vote for. And America has voted for Gilead. Up and down the ticket it appears.
Whilst this is a massive risk for Europe, perhaps it is also an opportunity. An open door policy to welcome those fleeing fascism.
Because people *will* flee.
That depends how quickly change happens. People react more readily to rapid change; less so to slow change. Back on the night in 2016, I posited that the progress towards liberalism would be reversed by Trump, but slowly, over time. And that's what we've seen, with many of the changes occurring during his successor's term, because of changes Trump made to things like the supreme court.
My current thinking is that Trump is a very different man from eight years ago. He is older, more infirm, and filled with bitterness. I reckon he will want vengeance, and quickly. He has also been president before, so he knows the processes and will be able to hit the ground running. Well, staggering, at least.
The people crowing about the 'death of wokeism' may be right. What they're really crowing about is the death of liberalism. And they should ask what that means for them.
Wokeism does not equate to liberalism. A lot of “wokeism” is far from liberalism and invites division and sectarianism and “othering”, precisely the things that liberalism is against.
If “Wokeism” dies then it might allow liberalism to grow again without the extremism and pious hectoring at best, dangerous illiberal ideologies at worst.
Back! Well shit in a bag and punch it. Its January 1933.
Was hyperbole in fashion then?
It would seem! Germany voted in Hitler knowing what he was. America is voting in Trump knowing what he is. And in any election you always get the correct result because you get what you vote for. And America has voted for Gilead. Up and down the ticket it appears.
Whilst this is a massive risk for Europe, perhaps it is also an opportunity. An open door policy to welcome those fleeing fascism.
Because people *will* flee.
That depends how quickly change happens. People react more readily to rapid change; less so to slow change. Back on the night in 2016, I posited that the progress towards liberalism would be reversed by Trump, but slowly, over time. And that's what we've seen, with many of the changes occurring during his successor's term, because of changes Trump made to things like the supreme court.
My current thinking is that Trump is a very different man from eight years ago. He is older, more infirm, and filled with bitterness. I reckon he will want vengeance, and quickly. He has also been president before, so he knows the processes and will be able to hit the ground running. Well, staggering, at least.
The people crowing about the 'death of wokeism' may be right. What they're really crowing about is the death of liberalism. And they should ask what that means for them.
Liberalism and Wokeism are totally different in my opinion.
I don't know why anyone thinks the Dems have gained the House.
So far, Rep has gained 3 seats. Dem zero gains.
And Rep leading in various Dem seats - 3 in PA for starters.
It's obvious from President and Senate results that Dem will not be gaining the House.
Indeed, on the contrary the Republicans will have a clean sweep, though probably not supermajorities. It means they can design fiscal policy how they like, and that will mean:
- Most of the personal tax measures of the 2017 TCJA will be renewed next year. - The federal corporate tax rate won't rise from its current level, but there will probably be tightening up of various international tax provisions in the code - Spending will be cut across the board to avoid the deficit rising into the stratosphere, but the deficit will still rise close to the tropopause
Yep, everyone needs to remember that 60 votes needed to pass legislation in the Senate.
No doubt someone will come on here and say Reps will change the rules.
But they won't - Senators like Romney will not do that.
Impressively, I got every one of the four states I bet on wrong.
I got every one of the thirteen states I bet on wrong! Possibly not Nevada and Arizona. Down £2K. That's nothing compared with the heartache for Zelensky
I'm down maybe £400. Given that I normally bet much more election time, but mostly swerved this one, I've got off lightly.
I'm down £800.
Whilst I'm pissed off at how this board debated the election, that's really my fault: I was lazy, complacent and did little research. I haven't played the US markets well for months. On the night itself I could have traded out and cut my losses to about £100 just after midnight, but I didn't because I got greedy and was certain Harris would pip the PV. I wanted sleep more. She didn't and when I woke up again I was heavily underwater.
I'd normally be much more bothered about this but I've just resigned and am going to a new job, so have a level of inner calm about it all, and you can't win every bet.
Who will they blame when the trade war explodes inflation? Tariffs and protectionism will explode a bomb under the global economy, as will actual explosions as Russia and China impose their will.
Well, that is seriously disappointing. President Vance is going to be....interesting.
The UK is in a difficult position. What does our government do about Ukraine? About the consequences of US tariffs? About a future without NATO? About the fact they seem to have pissed Trump off before he was even elected?
I am not at all sure they will know what to do. I'm not sure I do.
I don't know why anyone thinks the Dems have gained the House.
So far, Rep has gained 3 seats. Dem zero gains.
And Rep leading in various Dem seats - 3 in PA for starters.
It's obvious from President and Senate results that Dem will not be gaining the House.
Indeed, on the contrary the Republicans will have a clean sweep, though probably not supermajorities. It means they can design fiscal policy how they like, and that will mean:
- Most of the personal tax measures of the 2017 TCJA will be renewed next year. - The federal corporate tax rate won't rise from its current level, but there will probably be tightening up of various international tax provisions in the code - Spending will be cut across the board to avoid the deficit rising into the stratosphere, but the deficit will still rise close to the tropopause
Yep, everyone needs to remember that 60 votes needed to pass legislation in the Senate.
No doubt someone will come on here and say Reps will change the rules.
But they won't - Senators like Romney will not do that.
I don't know why anyone thinks the Dems have gained the House.
So far, Rep has gained 3 seats. Dem zero gains.
And Rep leading in various Dem seats - 3 in PA for starters.
It's obvious from President and Senate results that Dem will not be gaining the House.
Indeed, on the contrary the Republicans will have a clean sweep, though probably not supermajorities. It means they can design fiscal policy how they like, and that will mean:
- Most of the personal tax measures of the 2017 TCJA will be renewed next year. - The federal corporate tax rate won't rise from its current level, but there will probably be tightening up of various international tax provisions in the code - Spending will be cut across the board to avoid the deficit rising into the stratosphere, but the deficit will still rise close to the tropopause
Yep, everyone needs to remember that 60 votes needed to pass legislation in the Senate.
No doubt someone will come on here and say Reps will change the rules.
But they won't - Senators like Romney will not do that.
Yeah. They will. All politicians respect raw political power
And Trump now has it in metric megatons. Remember he has survived two attempted murders (by whoever) and multiple attempted jailings - by corrupt Democrat lawyers and politicians alike. And he has still won against all that
He’s like Jesus now. Mixed with Beowulf and Charles Martel
I don't know why anyone thinks the Dems have gained the House.
So far, Rep has gained 3 seats. Dem zero gains.
And Rep leading in various Dem seats - 3 in PA for starters.
It's obvious from President and Senate results that Dem will not be gaining the House.
Indeed, on the contrary the Republicans will have a clean sweep, though probably not supermajorities. It means they can design fiscal policy how they like, and that will mean:
- Most of the personal tax measures of the 2017 TCJA will be renewed next year. - The federal corporate tax rate won't rise from its current level, but there will probably be tightening up of various international tax provisions in the code - Spending will be cut across the board to avoid the deficit rising into the stratosphere, but the deficit will still rise close to the tropopause
Yep, everyone needs to remember that 60 votes needed to pass legislation in the Senate.
No doubt someone will come on here and say Reps will change the rules.
But they won't - Senators like Romney will not do that.
Yes, who would have thought the governing party would pay for people to go and campaign for Harris.
Why not? The Tories and the people who own the Tories fund people to campaign for the GOP. Both sides have done it for years. Farage has been openly criticising "election interference" of Labour people going to campaign for Harris whilst he is in America campaigning for Trump.
You can't see the hypocrisy?
I believe this was the first time a governing party in the UK interfered to the extent of officially PAYING for people to go and campaign for one side in the USA
Quite bewilderingly stupid and destructive. But then, this is Starmer’s Labour. It’s what they do
This election has already made Labour a lame duck government
Why do you believe this? Can I refer you to 1992 as a starter for 10.
Did the Tories send over activists and officially offer to pay - in a way blessed and promoted by senior Tory figures - for their accommodation in the USA and other expenses during a US election, as they campaigned for the Republicans?
I find that hard to believe. But if the Tories did do that they were fucking imbeciles endangering our foreign policy and the special relationship
Just as Labour have been fucking imbeciles now, YET AGAIN, and will pay dearly for it. Unfortunately so will the rest of the UK
We need nigel and Kemi to go over there and reassure the Donald that everyone in the Uk already hates starmer and Labour won’t be here for long
The next UK election is likely after the next US election. Trump might well be gone by the time we go to the polls.
Off topic, I'm perusing the breakfast menu in my train.
In "larger plates", The Great British Breakfast. Bacon, sausage, mushrooms, potato, fried egg and a tomato: 544 kcal In "lighter choices", Classic bacon sandwich: only...526kcal
There's a lot of empty calories in carbs like bread.
Switching to a carnivore diet mainly around things like sausages, eggs, bacon etc has helped me lose over 50 pounds in the past year and I've never felt hungry or that I am missing out about it.
I don't know why anyone thinks the Dems have gained the House.
So far, Rep has gained 3 seats. Dem zero gains.
And Rep leading in various Dem seats - 3 in PA for starters.
It's obvious from President and Senate results that Dem will not be gaining the House.
Indeed, on the contrary the Republicans will have a clean sweep, though probably not supermajorities. It means they can design fiscal policy how they like, and that will mean:
- Most of the personal tax measures of the 2017 TCJA will be renewed next year. - The federal corporate tax rate won't rise from its current level, but there will probably be tightening up of various international tax provisions in the code - Spending will be cut across the board to avoid the deficit rising into the stratosphere, but the deficit will still rise close to the tropopause
Yep, everyone needs to remember that 60 votes needed to pass legislation in the Senate.
No doubt someone will come on here and say Reps will change the rules.
But they won't - Senators like Romney will not do that.
Yeah. They will. All politicians respect raw political power
And Trump now has it in metric megatons. Remember he has survived two attempted murders (by whoever) and multiple attempted jailings - by corrupt Democrat lawyers and politicians alike. And he has still won against all that
He’s like Jesus now. Mixed with Beowulf and Charles Martel
Your trolling lacks your usual subtlety this morning.
I don't know why anyone thinks the Dems have gained the House.
So far, Rep has gained 3 seats. Dem zero gains.
And Rep leading in various Dem seats - 3 in PA for starters.
It's obvious from President and Senate results that Dem will not be gaining the House.
Indeed, on the contrary the Republicans will have a clean sweep, though probably not supermajorities. It means they can design fiscal policy how they like, and that will mean:
- Most of the personal tax measures of the 2017 TCJA will be renewed next year. - The federal corporate tax rate won't rise from its current level, but there will probably be tightening up of various international tax provisions in the code - Spending will be cut across the board to avoid the deficit rising into the stratosphere, but the deficit will still rise close to the tropopause
Yep, everyone needs to remember that 60 votes needed to pass legislation in the Senate.
No doubt someone will come on here and say Reps will change the rules.
But they won't - Senators like Romney will not do that.
Yeah. They will. All politicians respect raw political power
And Trump now has it in metric megatons. Remember he has survived two attempted murders (by whoever) and multiple attempted jailings - by corrupt Democrat lawyers and politicians alike. And he has still won against all that
He’s like Jesus now. Mixed with Beowulf and Charles Martel
Actually the one thing that is a silver lining about all this is he's a lame duck.
I was genuinely 50/50 all the way down the line. There were concerning statements coming from the Kamala camp, but equally Trump's 'ours to lose' did seem like he thought his side was losing. That very possibly looks quite crafty now - a major push to get lazy men out of bed to vote.
Well, that is seriously disappointing. President Vance is going to be....interesting.
The UK is in a difficult position. What does our government do about Ukraine? About the consequences of US tariffs? About a future without NATO? About the fact they seem to have pissed Trump off before he was even elected?
I am not at all sure they will know what to do. I'm not sure I do.
I really don't think they need to worry about pissing Trump off. Everyone does that anyway. We have the same cowering fear of American governments that they seem to have about Putin. Just deal with him transactionally.
As for the rest, particularly tariffs, we need to be unsentimental and ensure any US action gets punished symmetrically.
Alexander Johnson a summariser for Channel 4's election coverage was kicked off the show for wanton and wilful promotion of a book that was previously not selling well.
I don't know why anyone thinks the Dems have gained the House.
So far, Rep has gained 3 seats. Dem zero gains.
And Rep leading in various Dem seats - 3 in PA for starters.
It's obvious from President and Senate results that Dem will not be gaining the House.
Indeed, on the contrary the Republicans will have a clean sweep, though probably not supermajorities. It means they can design fiscal policy how they like, and that will mean:
- Most of the personal tax measures of the 2017 TCJA will be renewed next year. - The federal corporate tax rate won't rise from its current level, but there will probably be tightening up of various international tax provisions in the code - Spending will be cut across the board to avoid the deficit rising into the stratosphere, but the deficit will still rise close to the tropopause
Yep, everyone needs to remember that 60 votes needed to pass legislation in the Senate.
No doubt someone will come on here and say Reps will change the rules.
But they won't - Senators like Romney will not do that.
Romney has stepped down..
OK, fair enough.
By I still don't think it'll happen - it will only take 2 or 3 Senators and many would not agree to it.
What does Europe do about it? And does the UK join them defending eastern Europe? Or maintain the special relationship?
We can't do both.
Sky has just said Trump is to deport 11 million immigrants
I am absolutely gobsmacked
It's what he has said. Repeatedly. And we already know that Republicans have passed laws which has practically removed medical care from women who have a miscarriage - and thats a lot of women.
And yet I read on here that none of these facts are true. He definitely didn't say the things he has said and we have on tape. No no no. fake news. They definitely haven't passed 6 week abortion bans and wone definitely haven't died as a result. No no.
I don’t want to sound bitter but I just cannot understand how after four years of utter chaos you’d decide to vote for this chap again.
It seems to me to escape all logic and understanding.
I will hold my hands up and say I got this completely wrong but I just cannot understand what’s happened. I clearly don’t understand the US at all. I don’t think I even understand young people in the US either.
And Trump winning the popular vote! Never thought I would see that.
I don't know why anyone thinks the Dems have gained the House.
So far, Rep has gained 3 seats. Dem zero gains.
And Rep leading in various Dem seats - 3 in PA for starters.
It's obvious from President and Senate results that Dem will not be gaining the House.
Indeed, on the contrary the Republicans will have a clean sweep, though probably not supermajorities. It means they can design fiscal policy how they like, and that will mean:
- Most of the personal tax measures of the 2017 TCJA will be renewed next year. - The federal corporate tax rate won't rise from its current level, but there will probably be tightening up of various international tax provisions in the code - Spending will be cut across the board to avoid the deficit rising into the stratosphere, but the deficit will still rise close to the tropopause
Yep, everyone needs to remember that 60 votes needed to pass legislation in the Senate.
No doubt someone will come on here and say Reps will change the rules.
But they won't - Senators like Romney will not do that.
Yeah. They will. All politicians respect raw political power
And Trump now has it in metric megatons. Remember he has survived two attempted murders (by whoever) and multiple attempted jailings - by corrupt Democrat lawyers and politicians alike. And he has still won against all that
He’s like Jesus now. Mixed with Beowulf and Charles Martel
Your trolling lacks your usual subtlety this morning.
I’m not aiming for subtlety. And that wasn’t trolling
That’s what I really think (albeit with some hyperbole - it’s me)
Trump now has unprecedented power - more than he did in 2016. This is as much a moral victory as an electoral and political victory. They came an inch from killing him and now he is president again.
I think this is the ultimate "get woke, go broke" example. The backlash to wokeism has been building up for the last two years as people want companies and politicians to concentrate on the stuff that really matters. Kamala was the woke candidate as @HYUFD pointed out over and over, she's been brushed aside by the same cultural phenomenon that has Hollywood and the gaming industry under siege.
Yep. And a few of our regulars even fell into the Woke takes about that too.
I think it's a terrible take and Kamala is not remotely "woke". What is this supposed "woke"ness she exuded?
The problem is sadly that people do not feel better off than 4 years ago. That the price of essentials costs much more than 4 years ago.
And that despite the fact the surge in inflation had nothing to do with Biden, despite the fact that inflation has come back down, they have blamed the administration and voted for the Opposition as has happened around the globe.
The only reason it even ended up being this close is due to how shit Trump is. Had Kamala been "woke" like you imagine it wouldn't have been this close.
It's amazing how all the problem posters are so readily self-identifying themselves this morning...
I think this is the ultimate "get woke, go broke" example. The backlash to wokeism has been building up for the last two years as people want companies and politicians to concentrate on the stuff that really matters. Kamala was the woke candidate as @HYUFD pointed out over and over, she's been brushed aside by the same cultural phenomenon that has Hollywood and the gaming industry under siege.
Yep. And a few of our regulars even fell into the Woke takes about that too.
I think it's a terrible take and Kamala is not remotely "woke". What is this supposed "woke"ness she exuded?
The problem is sadly that people do not feel better off than 4 years ago. That the price of essentials costs much more than 4 years ago.
And that despite the fact the surge in inflation had nothing to do with Biden, despite the fact that inflation has come back down, they have blamed the administration and voted for the Opposition as has happened around the globe.
The only reason it even ended up being this close is due to how shit Trump is. Had Kamala been "woke" like you imagine it wouldn't have been this close.
It's amazing how all the problem posters are so readily self-identifying themselves this morning...
"Problem posters"?
What do you mean? And what is your 'solution' to this 'problem' ?
Back! Well shit in a bag and punch it. Its January 1933.
Was hyperbole in fashion then?
It would seem! Germany voted in Hitler knowing what he was. America is voting in Trump knowing what he is. And in any election you always get the correct result because you get what you vote for. And America has voted for Gilead. Up and down the ticket it appears.
Whilst this is a massive risk for Europe, perhaps it is also an opportunity. An open door policy to welcome those fleeing fascism.
Because people *will* flee.
That depends how quickly change happens. People react more readily to rapid change; less so to slow change. Back on the night in 2016, I posited that the progress towards liberalism would be reversed by Trump, but slowly, over time. And that's what we've seen, with many of the changes occurring during his successor's term, because of changes Trump made to things like the supreme court.
My current thinking is that Trump is a very different man from eight years ago. He is older, more infirm, and filled with bitterness. I reckon he will want vengeance, and quickly. He has also been president before, so he knows the processes and will be able to hit the ground running. Well, staggering, at least.
The people crowing about the 'death of wokeism' may be right. What they're really crowing about is the death of liberalism. And they should ask what that means for them.
Liberalism and Wokeism are totally different in my opinion.
In your mind, perhaps. But as I said, others have differing definitions, some wildly differing.
What is your definition of 'woke'? Of 'liberalism' ?
Back! Well shit in a bag and punch it. Its January 1933.
Was hyperbole in fashion then?
It would seem! Germany voted in Hitler knowing what he was. America is voting in Trump knowing what he is. And in any election you always get the correct result because you get what you vote for. And America has voted for Gilead. Up and down the ticket it appears.
Whilst this is a massive risk for Europe, perhaps it is also an opportunity. An open door policy to welcome those fleeing fascism.
Because people *will* flee.
That depends how quickly change happens. People react more readily to rapid change; less so to slow change. Back on the night in 2016, I posited that the progress towards liberalism would be reversed by Trump, but slowly, over time. And that's what we've seen, with many of the changes occurring during his successor's term, because of changes Trump made to things like the supreme court.
My current thinking is that Trump is a very different man from eight years ago. He is older, more infirm, and filled with bitterness. I reckon he will want vengeance, and quickly. He has also been president before, so he knows the processes and will be able to hit the ground running. Well, staggering, at least.
The people crowing about the 'death of wokeism' may be right. What they're really crowing about is the death of liberalism. And they should ask what that means for them.
Liberalism and Wokeism are totally different in my opinion.
In your mind, perhaps. But as I said, others have differing definitions, some wildly differing.
What is your definition of 'woke'? Of 'liberalism' ?
Whatever their definitions, both are dead in the US.
I am profoundly depressed by this. And am going to bed. I really worry about Ukraine tonight.
Other NATO nations will have to step up to the plate and fund it, G20 nations will also no doubt be preparing retaliatory tariffs for the tariffs Trump is about to impose on their imports
NATO may well be dead.
Even without US support it can't be otherwise nothing to stop Putin marching across Europe all the way to Berlin
I can't see that happening when he's made such heavy weather of marching across Ukraine.
I've found the pigheadedness of the Dems remarkably frustrating. Denying the senility of Biden until the last minute. Denying any meaningful contest on who came next. Heading into the contest with a candidate perceived as unpalatably left wing. To compare this to the UK, Labour offered voters an unpalatable candidate in Corbyn: but at least he'd got there through an internal party election. So yes, in my view, Dem intractability has given is Trump.
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In "larger plates", The Great British Breakfast. Bacon, sausage, mushrooms, potato, fried egg and a tomato: 544 kcal
In "lighter choices", Classic bacon sandwich: only...526kcal
I find that hard to believe. But if the Tories did do that they were fucking imbeciles endangering our foreign policy and the special relationship
Just as Labour have been fucking imbeciles now, YET AGAIN, and will pay dearly for it. Unfortunately so will the rest of the UK
We need nigel and Kemi to go over there and reassure the Donald that everyone in the Uk already hates starmer and Labour won’t be here for long
No doubt someone will come on here and say Reps will change the rules.
But they won't - Senators like Romney will not do that.
I am absolutely gobsmacked
The UK is in a difficult position. What does our government do about Ukraine? About the consequences of US tariffs? About a future without NATO? About the fact they seem to have pissed Trump off before he was even elected?
I am not at all sure they will know what to do. I'm not sure I do.
https://x.com/georgegalloway/status/1854046778871484482
And Trump now has it in metric megatons. Remember he has survived two attempted murders (by whoever) and multiple attempted jailings - by corrupt Democrat lawyers and politicians alike. And he has still won against all that
He’s like Jesus now. Mixed with Beowulf and Charles Martel
Trump has won Pennsylvania
Switching to a carnivore diet mainly around things like sausages, eggs, bacon etc has helped me lose over 50 pounds in the past year and I've never felt hungry or that I am missing out about it.
NEW THREAD
As for the rest, particularly tariffs, we need to be unsentimental and ensure any US action gets punished symmetrically.
Alexander Johnson a summariser for Channel 4's election coverage was kicked off the show for wanton and wilful promotion of a book that was previously not selling well.
By I still don't think it'll happen - it will only take 2 or 3 Senators and many would not agree to it.
And yet I read on here that none of these facts are true. He definitely didn't say the things he has said and we have on tape. No no no. fake news. They definitely haven't passed 6 week abortion bans and wone definitely haven't died as a result. No no.
It seems to me to escape all logic and understanding.
I will hold my hands up and say I got this completely wrong but I just cannot understand what’s happened. I clearly don’t understand the US at all. I don’t think I even understand young people in the US either.
And Trump winning the popular vote! Never thought I would see that.
That’s what I really think (albeit with some hyperbole - it’s me)
Trump now has unprecedented power - more than he did in 2016. This is as much a moral victory as an electoral and political victory. They came an inch from killing him and now he is president again.
What do you mean? And what is your 'solution' to this 'problem' ?
What is your definition of 'woke'? Of 'liberalism' ?
To compare this to the UK, Labour offered voters an unpalatable candidate in Corbyn: but at least he'd got there through an internal party election.
So yes, in my view, Dem intractability has given is Trump.