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  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,436
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mourning in America

    And your stupid fucking Labour government enraged the next US President by officially paying for Labour members to campaign for Harris

    Indescribably stupid
    Who cares
    We will care when Trump turns on us, you dolt
    We can turn to the EU. Excellent.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,781
    CNN basically admitting Harris has lost, at least in voice tone and body language
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,292
    Well my favourite essayist/writer John Gray predicted this might happen. (He also hoped for Kemi to become Tory leader incidentally).
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,277
    Andy_JS said:

    Not telling Biden to retire earlier when it was obvious he was too elderly was a huge mistake. It was bad for him and bad for everyone else.

    Biden is a jerk.

    He promised to be a bridge to the next generation, and then failed to make any provision to do so,

    He could have pushed Kamala to the Supreme Court, found a more papabile candidate, and then allowed them to postion themselves through 23/24.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 21
    Are the urban centres in Michigan and Pennsylvania which had late vote dumps in 2020 declaring a lot of their votes earlier this time?
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,688
    Sandpit said:

    Wisconsin about to go for Trump, 95% counted and he’s 54-44 up.

    No, it's 49.4-48.9

    48% counted
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,390
    edited November 6
    HYUFD said:


    Sandpit said:

    Wisconsin about to go for Trump, 95% counted and he’s 54-44 up.

    On the numbers I see it is 50% in with Trump about 1% up
    Decisiondesk’s numbers are all over the place, they just corrected to 49% from 95%.

    If you’re going to run a data service, please can you check the damn data!!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374
    Andy_JS said:

    Not telling Biden to retire earlier when it was obvious he was too elderly was a huge mistake. It was bad for him and bad for everyone else.

    Biden did actually win the swing states, Harris wasn't suddenly going to sweep them because she got the nomination a month earlier.

    As I said at the time Harris was too left liberal coastal elitist for middle America, even if Biden was too old they could have found a Mid West governor to go for
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,288

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mourning in America

    And your stupid fucking Labour government enraged the next US President by officially paying for Labour members to campaign for Harris

    Indescribably stupid
    Who cares
    We will care when Trump turns on us, you dolt
    We can turn to the EU. Excellent.
    Frying pan and fire. The EU is turning Right even faster than the US
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,580
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mourning in America

    And your stupid fucking Labour government enraged the next US President by officially paying for Labour members to campaign for Harris

    Indescribably stupid
    Who cares
    We will care when Trump turns on us, you dolt
    We have bigger fish to fry. I am more worried about NATO and Putin. I had to deal with my son’s fears of being conscripted in the next 10 years before he went to bed,when I told him I thought Trump had it. Shouldn’t have to do that.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,292
    "Owen Jones
    @owenjonesjourno

    I apologise to US pollsters for doubting you"

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/1853999735171936569
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374
    Good news for convicted felons if Trump wins, you too can still become the most powerful man in the world
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,378
    It looks like the Republicans will control the Senate too.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,292
    edited November 6
    Prices for basic groceries in the US are about double what they are in the UK. I know from being in Boston earlier this year. The sort of thing that ordinary voters care about but many politicians don't.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mourning in America

    And your stupid fucking Labour government enraged the next US President by officially paying for Labour members to campaign for Harris

    Indescribably stupid
    Who cares
    We will care when Trump turns on us, you dolt
    We can turn to the EU. Excellent.
    We need to shore up NATO first
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,868

    Andy_JS said:

    Not telling Biden to retire earlier when it was obvious he was too elderly was a huge mistake. It was bad for him and bad for everyone else.

    Biden is a jerk.

    He promised to be a bridge to the next generation, and then failed to make any provision to do so,

    He could have pushed Kamala to the Supreme Court, found a more papabile candidate, and then allowed them to postion themselves through 23/24.
    Or he couold have stepped down before he was pushed and allowed a contested primary.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,195

    It looks like the Republicans will control the Senate too.

    Democrats to control the house ?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,983
    DoctorG said:

    Are the urban centres in Michigan and Pennsylvania which had late vote dumps in 2020 declaring a lot of their votes earlier this time?

    Yes. Everywhere looks to have improved on their act since 2020. Except probably Nevada which is going to be embarrasingly slow.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,627
    edited November 6
    Starting to set in now for CNN....they looking very downbeat.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,937

    It looks like the Republicans will control the Senate too.

    I think that was nailed on irrespective of the presidential vote
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,868
    HYUFD said:

    Good news for convicted felons if Trump wins, you too can still become the most powerful man in the world

    Especially if you get convicted of felonies for political reasons when anyone else would have been charged with misdemeanors (sic).
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,195
    Sky news talking about eating pets 😂
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374
    Andy_JS said:

    Prices for basic groceries in the US are about double what they are in the UK. I know from being in Boston earlier this year. The sort of thing that ordinary voters care about but many politicians don't.

    I am sure the massive Trump tariffs on imports will greatly help with that, of course it will also lead to tariffs on US exports too
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Pulpstar said:

    It might not last (Probably won't) but WAYNE county is red on the map right now...

    Catastrophic for Harris.

    Red based on less than 1% of the vote. Is this psephology or homeopathy?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,627
    edited November 6
    Andy_JS said:

    Prices for basic groceries in the US are about double what they are in the UK. I know from being in Boston earlier this year. The sort of thing that ordinary voters care about but many politicians don't.

    Even before all the inflation, they were always quite high, which I found very odd. But eating out was super cheap.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Taz said:

    Sky news talking about eating pets 😂

    For or against?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,292
    Total votes in Georgia in 2020 were 5 million. 4.7 counted so far, but the electorate is up and turnout is probably up too.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,627
    edited November 6
    Exit poll, trump doing much better with Latinos than previously....and CNN go to well probably trans issue.....

    I don't think CNN live in the real world.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374
    Virginia 75% in

    Harris 49.5%
    Trump 48.9%
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,983
    Trump up to 242 ECVs declared.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374
    Iowa and Kansas projected for Trump
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,292
    edited November 6

    Exit poll, trump doing much better with Latinos than previously.

    We'd better not mention that maybe some of them don't like the idea of a female leader.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,390

    Starting to set in now for CNN....they looking very downbeat.

    I’ve CNN on one screen and Daily Wire on the other. The latter group seem rather happier at the moment. Dana Bash on CNN looks like someone put pineapple on her pizza.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,868
    Needle now at “likely Trump”, 86% chance of EC victory.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,983
    County Margin Shift from 2020 presidentialShift from 2020 pres. Votes Percent of votes in % In
    Menominee Harris +62
    2.8 pts. 2.8 points more Republican 1,572 >95%
  • Needle ticking up on NYT for Trump in WI, PA, MI, NV
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,781

    Andy_JS said:

    Not telling Biden to retire earlier when it was obvious he was too elderly was a huge mistake. It was bad for him and bad for everyone else.

    Biden is a jerk.

    He promised to be a bridge to the next generation, and then failed to make any provision to do so,

    He could have pushed Kamala to the Supreme Court, found a more papabile candidate, and then allowed them to postion themselves through 23/24.
    Some of us were saying this two years ago. Biden is senile, it’s getting worse, if the Dems don’t replace him it will end in disaster

    And yet half of PB was saying “he just has a stammer”, “he likes falling over”, “his favourite pastime is drooling there’s no change”
  • What a profoundly divided country America is.

    I just don’t think I understand American politics at all.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,824
    Depending on how the maine subgroups go, if Kamala wins Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michegan, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and the West coast... that's 269/269. Hmm.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,627
    edited November 6
    Crypto Bros definitely think Trump has it in the bag. BTC up 10% on the day.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Taz said:

    It looks like the Republicans will control the Senate too.

    Democrats to control the house ?
    WAY too early to tell, seeing as how (based on NYT) zero districts have flipped (yet).

    Here in Pacific Northwest, there are two districts in play (party wise anyway): OR CD5 & WA CD3.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,781

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mourning in America

    And your stupid fucking Labour government enraged the next US President by officially paying for Labour members to campaign for Harris

    Indescribably stupid
    Who cares
    We will care when Trump turns on us, you dolt
    We can turn to the EU. Excellent.
    Frying pan and fire. The EU is turning Right even faster than the US
    Yes exactly. After this Le Pen is even more likely to
    win in France. In fact I’d say almost certainly

    The west is turning to the populist right. We will soon see deportations from western countries, starting in America?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,868
    viewcode said:

    Depending on how the maine subgroups go, if Kamala wins Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michegan, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and the West coast... that's 269/269. Hmm.

    Arizona might be tough…
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374
    edited November 6
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not telling Biden to retire earlier when it was obvious he was too elderly was a huge mistake. It was bad for him and bad for everyone else.

    Biden is a jerk.

    He promised to be a bridge to the next generation, and then failed to make any provision to do so,

    He could have pushed Kamala to the Supreme Court, found a more papabile candidate, and then allowed them to postion themselves through 23/24.
    Some of us were saying this two years ago. Biden is senile, it’s getting worse, if the Dems don’t replace him it will end in disaster

    And yet half of PB was saying “he just has a stammer”, “he likes falling over”, “his favourite pastime is drooling there’s no change”
    I don't think any candidate was likely to beat Trump based on this result.

    Middle America was going to vote for tariffs on imports and America First abroad and that is what they are going to get.

    Florida voters have even rejected fuller abortion rights in their state constitution. This is a clear swing right in the US and looks like the GOP will take Congress too
  • CosmicCosmic Posts: 34
    NYT is now projecting Trump up 2%+ in all the swing states
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,292
    The 95/1 with Betfair for Harris to win the election but lose the popular vote is perhaps worth a very small bet.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,983
    I'm calling Maine-2 for Trump
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,688
    Andy_JS said:

    Total votes in Georgia in 2020 were 5 million. 4.7 counted so far, but the electorate is up and turnout is probably up too.

    Say 500k are left.

    Trump leads by 150k.

    Harris would need to win remaining vote 65-35, which looks very unlikely.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,277
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not telling Biden to retire earlier when it was obvious he was too elderly was a huge mistake. It was bad for him and bad for everyone else.

    Biden is a jerk.

    He promised to be a bridge to the next generation, and then failed to make any provision to do so,

    He could have pushed Kamala to the Supreme Court, found a more papabile candidate, and then allowed them to postion themselves through 23/24.
    Some of us were saying this two years ago. Biden is senile, it’s getting worse, if the Dems don’t replace him it will end in disaster

    And yet half of PB was saying “he just has a stammer”, “he likes falling over”, “his favourite pastime is drooling there’s no change”
    About a year ago I met a Democratic operative who told me in all earnestness that Biden was the best President since John F Kennedy and - to my suggestions that he was no longer totally with it - suggested I was guilty of intolerable muckraking.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,824
    Pulpstar said:

    I'm calling Maine-2 for Trump

    If he gets that and Philadelphia, he's over 269 I think
  • It no longer feels like 2020 to me. I was wrong.

    I am profoundly depressed by this. And am going to bed. I really worry about Ukraine tonight.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,627
    viewcode said:

    Depending on how the maine subgroups go, if Kamala wins Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michegan, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and the West coast... that's 269/269. Hmm.

    NYT needle of doom is very firmly pointing towards Trump winning Arizona, and leaning towards him winning most of the others.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,580

    What a profoundly divided country America is.

    I just don’t think I understand American politics at all.

    Looks quite similar to uk politics to me. The on,y difference is the uk right is split.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,277
    Food prices in America wouldn’t be so painful if it wasn’t also for the fact that the produce is very largely awful, mass produced, chemical-ridden slop.

    Something to think about when Barty makes one of his periodic calls to concrete over British farmland.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,195

    Taz said:

    Sky news talking about eating pets 😂

    For or against?
    No recipes were on offer, sadly

    Cat au vin may have been interesting
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,277
    edited November 6
    I’m not sure I’m afraid of Trump.
    Musk, though, and - even worse, Thiel - are genuinely frightening.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,627

    Food prices in America wouldn’t be so painful if it wasn’t also for the fact that the produce is very largely awful, mass produced, chemical-ridden slop.

    Something to think about when Barty makes one of his periodic calls to concrete over British farmland.

    And the cost of the non shitty food is eye watering. Whole Foods makes Waitrose look like Farm Foods.
  • What a profoundly divided country America is.

    I just don’t think I understand American politics at all.

    But you did say it was a 25% chance that Trump would win.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,288

    Taz said:

    Sky news talking about eating pets 😂

    For or against?
    Discussing how best to cook and present them. This is the UK after all. Every third TV programme is a cookery show.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,959
    edited November 6

    It looks like the Republicans will control the Senate too.

    My memory isn't what it used to be, but if Trump wins the EC and the popular vote and the Republicans win the Senate and the House I think it'll be the first time since 2004 for such a clean sweep.

    A remarkable achievement, especially given the changes in American demographics since then.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374

    It no longer feels like 2020 to me. I was wrong.

    I am profoundly depressed by this. And am going to bed. I really worry about Ukraine tonight.

    Other NATO nations will have to step up to the plate and fund it, G20 nations will also no doubt be preparing retaliatory tariffs for the tariffs Trump is about to impose on their imports
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,292

    It no longer feels like 2020 to me. I was wrong.

    I am profoundly depressed by this. And am going to bed. I really worry about Ukraine tonight.

    Trump didn't actually do many things between 2016 and 2020, it was mostly all talk.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,195
    MikeL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Total votes in Georgia in 2020 were 5 million. 4.7 counted so far, but the electorate is up and turnout is probably up too.

    Say 500k are left.

    Trump leads by 150k.

    Harris would need to win remaining vote 65-35, which looks very unlikely.
    The guy on Sky, who’s very good, has made the same point
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,249
    His wrath is going to be quite something to behold.

    Sadly.
  • FYI, it may be temporary but Minnesota on the edge of toss-up
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,781

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not telling Biden to retire earlier when it was obvious he was too elderly was a huge mistake. It was bad for him and bad for everyone else.

    Biden is a jerk.

    He promised to be a bridge to the next generation, and then failed to make any provision to do so,

    He could have pushed Kamala to the Supreme Court, found a more papabile candidate, and then allowed them to postion themselves through 23/24.
    Some of us were saying this two years ago. Biden is senile, it’s getting worse, if the Dems don’t replace him it will end in disaster

    And yet half of PB was saying “he just has a stammer”, “he likes falling over”, “his favourite pastime is drooling there’s no change”
    About a year ago I met a Democratic operative who told me in all earnestness that Biden was the best President since John F Kennedy and - to my suggestions that he was no longer totally with it - suggested I was guilty of intolerable muckraking.
    The intensity of the denial was extraordinary
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,642
    America is certainly drifting, shame we're so economically & militarily tied. Maybe the French were right all along...

    Night all. Hope the odds have been suitably mispriced.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,627
    edited November 6
    Andy_JS said:

    It no longer feels like 2020 to me. I was wrong.

    I am profoundly depressed by this. And am going to bed. I really worry about Ukraine tonight.

    Trump didn't actually do many things between 2016 and 2020, it was mostly all talk.
    His inability to focus, disinterest in detail and trolleying behaviour means that the checks and balances institutions ran rings around him.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not telling Biden to retire earlier when it was obvious he was too elderly was a huge mistake. It was bad for him and bad for everyone else.

    Biden is a jerk.

    He promised to be a bridge to the next generation, and then failed to make any provision to do so,

    He could have pushed Kamala to the Supreme Court, found a more papabile candidate, and then allowed them to postion themselves through 23/24.
    Some of us were saying this two years ago. Biden is senile, it’s getting worse, if the Dems don’t replace him it will end in disaster

    And yet half of PB was saying “he just has a stammer”, “he likes falling over”, “his favourite pastime is drooling there’s no change”
    About a year ago I met a Democratic operative who told me in all earnestness that Biden was the best President since John F Kennedy and - to my suggestions that he was no longer totally with it - suggested I was guilty of intolerable muckraking.
    The intensity of the denial was extraordinary
    It was hilarious. I was telling people on here ages ago he couldn't / wouldn't stand. It was so obvious.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,378
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not telling Biden to retire earlier when it was obvious he was too elderly was a huge mistake. It was bad for him and bad for everyone else.

    Biden is a jerk.

    He promised to be a bridge to the next generation, and then failed to make any provision to do so,

    He could have pushed Kamala to the Supreme Court, found a more papabile candidate, and then allowed them to postion themselves through 23/24.
    Some of us were saying this two years ago. Biden is senile, it’s getting worse, if the Dems don’t replace him it will end in disaster

    And yet half of PB was saying “he just has a stammer”, “he likes falling over”, “his favourite pastime is drooling there’s no change”
    About a year ago I met a Democratic operative who told me in all earnestness that Biden was the best President since John F Kennedy and - to my suggestions that he was no longer totally with it - suggested I was guilty of intolerable muckraking.
    The intensity of the denial was extraordinary
    Everything they said about Trump, from the contempt for democracy to the cult-like partisanship was just so much projection.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,277
    edited November 6
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mourning in America

    And your stupid fucking Labour government enraged the next US President by officially paying for Labour members to campaign for Harris

    Indescribably stupid
    Who cares
    We will care when Trump turns on us, you dolt
    We can turn to the EU. Excellent.
    Frying pan and fire. The EU is turning Right even faster than the US
    Yes exactly. After this Le Pen is even more likely to
    win in France. In fact I’d say almost certainly

    The west is turning to the populist right. We will soon see deportations from western countries, starting in America?
    Britain is now incredibly alone.
    And unlike 1939, there is no Empire and no FDR.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,781
    Trump is actually going to win this quite easily
  • Andy_JS said:

    It no longer feels like 2020 to me. I was wrong.

    I am profoundly depressed by this. And am going to bed. I really worry about Ukraine tonight.

    Trump didn't actually do many things between 2016 and 2020, it was mostly all talk.
    Different this time. When you listen to him, it is clear he thinks he made a mistake by being timid in 2016-2020
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mourning in America

    And your stupid fucking Labour government enraged the next US President by officially paying for Labour members to campaign for Harris

    Indescribably stupid
    Who cares
    We will care when Trump turns on us, you dolt
    We can turn to the EU. Excellent.
    Frying pan and fire. The EU is turning Right even faster than the US
    Yes exactly. After this Le Pen is even more likely to
    win in France. In fact I’d say almost certainly

    The west is turning to the populist right. We will soon see deportations from western countries, starting in America?
    Britain is now incredibly alone.

    Being led by the most leftist leader in a major western nation for the next 4 years yes, Trudeau likely goes next year and Scholz is underwater in polls and Albanese only neck and neck
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,627
    CNN projection, Ted Cruz wins again....
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,378
    NYT needle has moved to Trump +1 in the popular vote.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,390
    edited November 6
    Ignore that.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,277
    HYUFD said:

    It no longer feels like 2020 to me. I was wrong.

    I am profoundly depressed by this. And am going to bed. I really worry about Ukraine tonight.

    Other NATO nations will have to step up to the plate and fund it, G20 nations will also no doubt be preparing retaliatory tariffs for the tariffs Trump is about to impose on their imports
    NATO may well be dead.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,627
    Leon said:

    Trump is actually going to win this quite easily

    NYT now even have him winning the popular vote by a reasonable amount. He could sweep all the battleground states except Wisconsin.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not telling Biden to retire earlier when it was obvious he was too elderly was a huge mistake. It was bad for him and bad for everyone else.

    Biden is a jerk.

    He promised to be a bridge to the next generation, and then failed to make any provision to do so,

    He could have pushed Kamala to the Supreme Court, found a more papabile candidate, and then allowed them to postion themselves through 23/24.
    Some of us were saying this two years ago. Biden is senile, it’s getting worse, if the Dems don’t replace him it will end in disaster

    And yet half of PB was saying “he just has a stammer”, “he likes falling over”, “his favourite pastime is drooling there’s no change”
    I don't think any candidate was likely to beat Trump based on this result.

    Middle America was going to vote for tariffs on imports and America First abroad and that is what they are going to get.

    Florida voters have even rejected fuller abortion rights in their state constitution. This is a clear swing right in the US and looks like the GOP will take Congress too
    Florida voters are voting FOR fuller abortion right, just NOT by required 60% super-majority.

    Only by 57% versus 43% landslide.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,781
    Thoughts and prayers for @MarqueeMark and @kinabalu
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,277
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mourning in America

    And your stupid fucking Labour government enraged the next US President by officially paying for Labour members to campaign for Harris

    Indescribably stupid
    Who cares
    We will care when Trump turns on us, you dolt
    We can turn to the EU. Excellent.
    Frying pan and fire. The EU is turning Right even faster than the US
    Yes exactly. After this Le Pen is even more likely to
    win in France. In fact I’d say almost certainly

    The west is turning to the populist right. We will soon see deportations from western countries, starting in America?
    Britain is now incredibly alone.

    Being led by the most leftist leader in a major western nation for the next 4 years yes, Trudeau likely goes next year and Scholz is underwater in polls and Albanese only neck and neck
    It’s not a left / right matter, but rather a question of social democracy, rule of law, and free trade.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,580
    Leon said:

    Trump is actually going to win this quite easily

    The Harris campaign sucked. If all you have is calling your opponent a fascist , you don’t have much. I completely missed the big theme attracting voters to her. Walz was a dead weight.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374

    HYUFD said:

    It no longer feels like 2020 to me. I was wrong.

    I am profoundly depressed by this. And am going to bed. I really worry about Ukraine tonight.

    Other NATO nations will have to step up to the plate and fund it, G20 nations will also no doubt be preparing retaliatory tariffs for the tariffs Trump is about to impose on their imports
    NATO may well be dead.
    Even without US support it can't be otherwise nothing to stop Putin marching across Europe all the way to Berlin
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,352
    FFS. Back to sleep.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,292
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mourning in America

    And your stupid fucking Labour government enraged the next US President by officially paying for Labour members to campaign for Harris

    Indescribably stupid
    Who cares
    We will care when Trump turns on us, you dolt
    We can turn to the EU. Excellent.
    Frying pan and fire. The EU is turning Right even faster than the US
    Yes exactly. After this Le Pen is even more likely to
    win in France. In fact I’d say almost certainly

    The west is turning to the populist right. We will soon see deportations from western countries, starting in America?
    With the strange exceptions of the UK and Ireland.
  • Leon said:

    Thoughts and prayers for @MarqueeMark and @kinabalu

    Hopefully they did not lose too much

    (And I mean that)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,781
    Kamala is only just winning voters under 30. Biden won them by 20+
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,195
    Leon said:

    Thoughts and prayers for @MarqueeMark and @kinabalu

    Don’t forget Anabobazina too.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,983
    Leon said:

    Thoughts and prayers for @MarqueeMark and @kinabalu

    @Gettingbetter going to wake up to a bit of a horror show on his betting I think
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mourning in America

    And your stupid fucking Labour government enraged the next US President by officially paying for Labour members to campaign for Harris

    Indescribably stupid
    Who cares
    We will care when Trump turns on us, you dolt
    We can turn to the EU. Excellent.
    Frying pan and fire. The EU is turning Right even faster than the US
    Yes exactly. After this Le Pen is even more likely to
    win in France. In fact I’d say almost certainly

    The west is turning to the populist right. We will soon see deportations from western countries, starting in America?
    With the strange exceptions of the UK and Ireland.
    Tories and Reform combined are ahead of Labour on the latest polls even here.

    I am not sure it automatically helps in France though, they don't like to follow France and rejected Le Pen in 2017 despite Trump's win in 2016
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,868
    DDHQ has Trump 242. Add on (presumably) Idaho 4 and Alaska 3 for 249 to be instacalled.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,868
    Leon said:

    Kamala is only just winning voters under 30. Biden won them by 20+

    We can only hope this is the last time that people point to queues outside polling stations meaning one thing or another.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,983
    YMCA playing at Trump rally.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,360
    Leon said:

    Thoughts and prayers for @MarqueeMark and @kinabalu

    And IncorrectHorseBat bet his life on a Harris win today. Will we miss him?
    For a politicalbetting site, it’s a rock n roll way to go though. R.I.P.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,688
    The GA lead is now down to 136k.

    Trump clearly overwhelming favourite - but it may get quite close - remember there always tend to be late ballots etc.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,277
    edited November 6
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    It no longer feels like 2020 to me. I was wrong.

    I am profoundly depressed by this. And am going to bed. I really worry about Ukraine tonight.

    Other NATO nations will have to step up to the plate and fund it, G20 nations will also no doubt be preparing retaliatory tariffs for the tariffs Trump is about to impose on their imports
    NATO may well be dead.
    Even without US support it can't be otherwise nothing to stop Putin marching across Europe all the way to Berlin
    NATO itself may be dead.
    Alternatives may have to be established.

    Europe cannot afford its current fiscal burden. Pushing defence budgets to 4% implies yet more austerity.

    Beyond that, much of Europe can’t really be relied upon.
    Britain and a few others will find itself shouldering much of the burden.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,983
    RobD said:

    Leon said:

    Kamala is only just winning voters under 30. Biden won them by 20+

    We can only hope this is the last time that people point to queues outside polling stations meaning one thing or another.
    No queues at all would have meant a Harris landslide, Trump won this with on the day voters.
  • A lot of straws being clutched for Harris on CNN.

    Just call it as it is - it's done.

    End of.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,781
    This is good news for Kemi B and the Tories, of course
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