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  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    saddo said:

    RobD said:

    saddo said:

    It has to be said

    Lynton Crosby is a freaking genius.

    BTW Crosby Textor do all their own polling

    I remember some comments yesterday about how Crosby was a waste of money? LOL
    Not by me!

    Cameron is too. Destroyed Labour in Scotland and possibly England. Destroyed Lib Dems.

    I think it's the SNP which has destroyed Labour in Scotland.
  • watford30
    watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited May 2015

    Andrew said:

    Spread con midpoints: spin 317, ig 317, sprx 314.5.

    OK - who has made loadsamoney and who has lost a fortune?

    And in a dim memory - I recall reports of an anonymous punter betting a fortune on some sort of majority. But cannot remember on who?
    Can anyone remember on which party?
    £50K on Labour earlier today. And an old fellow, well dressed former accountant in Scotland, paid a wodge over in cash on the Tories?
  • No_Offence_Alan
    No_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,120
    Moses_ said:

    It's on nights like this I feel some pity for Tim late of this Parish. His head must have exploded at 10pm and 5 seconds tonight.

    That reminds me - I had a bet with Tim on East Dunbartonshire. At the time the bet was made, neither of us were considering an SNP gain.

  • Ishmael_X
    Ishmael_X Posts: 3,664
    MikeL said:

    3% swing Lab to Con in Wrexham!!!!!!!!!!

    For the first time in 53 years I have seriously asked myself: am I dreaming?
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    AndyJS said:

    Maybe the threat of Sturgeon running England & Wales has caused a big reaction with voters in those countries.

    I think that's the thing.
  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,251
    Nuneaton coming ...
  • currystar
    currystar Posts: 1,171
    Deep down I just had a feeling that the economy would swing it . Despite what you hear on TV ordinary people do have more money in their pocket. I have had a rather large bet on the Tories in Eastleigh . This was just based on the complete lack of lib dem posters in Eastleigh .
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,728
    edited May 2015

    It's Russell Brand I feel sorry for. Clearly he was duped by Labour on a false prospectus.

    Don;t feel sorry for him. He is quids in with this result.

    Another 5 years of moaning and groaning on youtube, in books and movies...all available from your local multi-national tax dodgy mega corp.

    Think of all his twitter followers who are going to be super pissed and be even more engaged with his carefully branded operation.
  • Slackbladder
    Slackbladder Posts: 9,800
    Luke Bailey ‏@imbadatlife 8 mins8 minutes ago

    Labour candidates not even bothering to concede, just deleting Twitter accounts and heading into the sunset. #GE2015
  • Dair
    Dair Posts: 6,108

    Dair said:

    DOUGIE ALEXANDER HAS LOST. His face says it on BBC Scotland. No way he has held with that face.

    Thank you SNP - Yours, English Tories.
    Tories won England. Result in Scotland has made no difference.
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    As much as I have always thought Ed is Crap, I never, ever thought he would do worse than Gordon Brown

    I had a bit on that, and on Shadsys Lab under 25% band.

    Rather regretting going a bit wobbly and putting £50 on Lab most seats this week...
  • Prodicus
    Prodicus Posts: 658
    Paging Alan Partridge. Mr Partridge. Message from Mr W Churchill: 'Trust the British people'. (They know a loser when they see one.)
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265

    Chameleon said:

    Tory only non SNP eat in Scotland?

    That would be nearly as hilarious as Balls losing. Nearly.

    AndyJS said:

    Astounding result in Wrexham.

    Kippers stopped a Tory gain - this could be a theme in a number of seats and prevent DC from having an otherwise solid majority.

    Without Farage on the scene, they may well now crumble.

    They're drawing more Labour and DNV than Con IMO.
  • kjohnw
    kjohnw Posts: 1,456
    can anyone tell me how the pollsters have called this so wrong??????
  • AlastairMeeks
    AlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Chameleon said:

    Tory only non SNP eat in Scotland?

    That would be nearly as hilarious as Balls losing. Nearly.
    It bloody wouldn't. I've got a bet on a tie in Scottish seats between Labour and the Conservatives. I don't want to lose it that way.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    UKIP could still win 10 seats without Farage in Labour's rustbelt.
  • saddened
    saddened Posts: 2,245
    Anyone heard from Mr Sykes I worry for his safety?
  • KentRising
    KentRising Posts: 2,926

    AndyJS said:

    Astounding result in Wrexham.

    Kippers stopped a Tory gain - this could be a theme in a number of seats and prevent DC from having an otherwise solid majority.

    Without Farage on the scene, they may well now crumble.

    You're assuming UKIP took votes only from the Tories and not Labour. Results from tonight already suggest the theory that UKIP are just purple Tories should be consigned to the bin.
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787

    Where's JackW?

    You called.

  • NoEasyDay
    NoEasyDay Posts: 454
    NoEasyDay said:

    rcs1000 said:

    It's a Conservative majority, and I reckon the LDs are going to be on 8-12.

    Disagree with you slightly sir, the results notheast wise are dreadful. Which says to me the votes have gone elsewhere. To incumbents.
    Rambling too much drink, i meant the lib dem votes are dreadful in the northeast, so the votes must be elswhere.


  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    edited May 2015
    Apparently, DUP hold Lagan Valley
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    kjohnw said:

    can anyone tell me how the pollsters have called this so wrong??????

    Maybe they live in the same bubble as Ed's gang.
  • Flockers_pb
    Flockers_pb Posts: 204
    I don't think we will be hearing the phrase "pb hodges" for a while. Alongside JackW, Robert Smithson and Southam Observer, Dan Hodges had the courage to call it early and very much contrary to the prevailing narrative, and then not waver for a moment, even as the polls refused to comply. His stock has risen immensely.
  • Slackbladder
    Slackbladder Posts: 9,800
    kjohnw said:

    can anyone tell me how the pollsters have called this so wrong??????

    Online panels are not the general population
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    JackW said:

    Where's JackW?

    You called.

    Do you have an opinion on whether Ed Miliband will ever be Prime Minister?
  • KentRising
    KentRising Posts: 2,926
    edited May 2015
    JackW said:

    Where's JackW?

    You called.

    Feeling vindicated? How did you know?
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    JackW said:

    Where's JackW?

    You called.

    Your ARSE was a shocker, it went way too low on Con ;)
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    Fenster said:

    If Cameron wins a majority I hope - and I hope he reads this - that he goes massive on helping people with disabilities. On helping carers and helping those who have genuinely shitty, difficult, heart-breaking lives with no money and selfless intentions.

    I know Cameron will empathise with these people after what he went through with his own son. These people need more help - I've seen it in my own family with my Dad suffering from Alzheimers at 56 and my Mam having to retire to care for him.

    It would be the right thing to do more to look after the genuinely needy and it could be the clause 4 moment for the Tories.

    I reckon, anyway.

    This, fantastic post. I also hope ATOS is reformed.
    ATOS has already gone for the Work Capability Assessment. They were introduced by Labour, removed by the coalition. :-)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_Capability_Assessment

    We need to ensure the replacement works better. Although even just working would be better...
    I mean for ATOS to be reformed so that many disabled people aren't chucked off benefits, when they actually need help.
    You mean the WCA, I assume? ATOS were the provider of the WCA.

    In that case, I agree. AIUI, Labour arranged for ATOS to get money for every person chucked off the benefit. It was therefore in their interest to find as many people as possible as not being disabled. At the very least, that needs reforming, albeit carefully.
    Yes, we are agreed on that one. I hope the Tories can do that - and that they can be very, very careful in regards to 12bn welfare cuts.
  • SimonStClare
    SimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    RobD said:

    Where's JackW?

    He's been around. Probably admiring his own ARSE in the mirror :)
    arf. :lol:
  • Gravitation
    Gravitation Posts: 287

    Apparently, DUP hold Lagan Valley

    Result still hasn't appeared on Sky website for some reason.
  • surbiton
    surbiton Posts: 13,549

    surbiton said:

    UKIP is hurting Labour.

    This brings into question the database pollsters use and their weightings.

    It is not that the run up to the election the weightings were wrong; it has been not representative for sometime, probably for all these 5 years.

    You seemed absolutely certain of labour success - would you accept that this is a disaster for labour and Ed Miliband in particular
    Yes, for Labour. Not so much for MIliband. My certainty was based on polls. So if the polls were wrong - and have been wrong for years - why should I have not held the views I did.
  • TimGeo
    TimGeo Posts: 27
    1992 - great year met the women who became my wife - also saw a great victory by John Major - Pollsters fail to pick up on the British ( English ) Reticence that they feel actually economically better off - a position that they do nor wish to put at risk..
  • Ave_it
    Ave_it Posts: 2,411
    LOL why are BBC talking about 'negotiations' - we have the majority BBC know that!
  • valleyboy
    valleyboy Posts: 606
    I admit it, we're fecked. Off to bed in a very bad mood. Worked hard on the ground, but what was the point.May just as well be a keyboard warrior.
    I picked up doorsteps that SNP was worrying people, as was a dislike of Ed.
    There will have to be change in Labour
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Looks like it's getting very close to an overall majority now.
  • watford30
    watford30 Posts: 3,474

    Where's JackW?

    Bathing in champagne with the Pussycat Dolls.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,728
    Prodicus said:

    Paging Alan Partridge. Mr Partridge. Message from Mr W Churchill: 'Trust the British people'. (They know a loser when they see one.)

    Stick to coke, hookers and monkey tennis...ahhhha.....
  • Slackbladder
    Slackbladder Posts: 9,800

    I don't think we will be hearing the phrase "pb hodges" for a while. Alongside JackW, Robert Smithson and Southam Observer, Dan Hodges had the courage to call it early and very much contrary to the prevailing narrative, and then not waver for a moment, even as the polls refused to comply. His stock has risen immensely.

    Remember tim etal 'PBTories, always wrong, all the time'

    I'm saying nothing....
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    NoEasyDay said:

    NoEasyDay said:

    rcs1000 said:

    It's a Conservative majority, and I reckon the LDs are going to be on 8-12.

    Disagree with you slightly sir, the results notheast wise are dreadful. Which says to me the votes have gone elsewhere. To incumbents.
    Rambling too much drink, i meant the lib dem votes are dreadful in the northeast, so the votes must be elswhere.


    The votes might not be anywhere...

    But we need to see some results from (previously) LD held seats.
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    The polling failure is extraordinary.
  • Don't you rather think it's time to permit the return of Audrey Anne who predicted all this and who was banned for doing so?
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    valleyboy said:

    I admit it, we're fecked. Off to bed in a very bad mood. Worked hard on the ground, but what was the point.May just as well be a keyboard warrior.
    I picked up doorsteps that SNP was worrying people, as was a dislike of Ed.
    There will have to be change in Labour

    Did you pick up that people thought Labour were too "left-wing"? I'm starting to have second thoughts on these results, but I genuinely haven't heard people saying things like that at all.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Ishmael_X said:

    MikeL said:

    3% swing Lab to Con in Wrexham!!!!!!!!!!

    For the first time in 53 years I have seriously asked myself: am I dreaming?
    I am shaking!
  • Dair
    Dair Posts: 6,108
    BBC Scotland report from Orkney and Zetland indicates SNP GAIN.

    The letter Zog is to return to the language!!!
  • FalseFlag
    FalseFlag Posts: 1,801
    AndyJS said:

    UKIP could still win 10 seats without Farage in Labour's rustbelt.

    Seems like some pretty efficient Con UKIP tactical voting so far, a little too efficient for Farage though.
  • Flightpathl
    Flightpathl Posts: 1,243
    Ave_it said:

    BALLS gone - Ave it projects by 4,000

    Bad news for the conservatives
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077

    It's time not trust any poll (even PB's ICM) for the next five years.

    Phone polls came out with Tory leads in recent weeks :)

  • LucyJones
    LucyJones Posts: 651
    Breitbart reporting a recount in Twickenham.
  • paulyork
    paulyork Posts: 50
    For every vote labour getting from libdem it looks like theyre losing 2 to ukip.
  • JonathanD
    JonathanD Posts: 2,400
    kle4 said:

    I really do feel sorry for the LDs. Sure they were going to take a huge hit, but they really don't deserve this big a hit. But it seems the british public disagree with me on that.

    I'd agree that the LDs thought of the country first in 2010 and deserved better. However their vote is splitting to UKIP and Green which suggests they were only ever a protest party.
  • watford30
    watford30 Posts: 3,474

    Chameleon said:

    Tory only non SNP eat in Scotland?

    That would be nearly as hilarious as Balls losing. Nearly.
    What time is the result expected in Morley?
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    MikeL said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    MikeL said:

    3% swing Lab to Con in Wrexham!!!!!!!!!!

    For the first time in 53 years I have seriously asked myself: am I dreaming?
    I am shaking!
    Yep, I feel quite delirious right now. Maybe we'll have some bad results come in and spoil all the fun :(
  • Dair
    Dair Posts: 6,108
    Chameleon said:

    JackW said:

    Where's JackW?

    You called.

    Your ARSE was a shocker, it went way too low on Con ;)
    And over 35% out on SNP.
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238

    saddo said:

    RobD said:

    saddo said:

    It has to be said

    Lynton Crosby is a freaking genius.

    BTW Crosby Textor do all their own polling

    I remember some comments yesterday about how Crosby was a waste of money? LOL
    Not by me!

    Cameron is too. Destroyed Labour in Scotland and possibly England. Destroyed Lib Dems.

    I think it's the SNP which has destroyed Labour in Scotland.
    And David Cameron in England
  • Andrew
    Andrew Posts: 2,900
    Spreads just about to touch con 320......
  • AlastairMeeks
    AlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    @bbckamal: Lib Dem sources now admitting exit poll looking correct. Cd win as few as 10 seats. Some big names under pressure #GE2015
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265

    It's time not trust any poll (even PB's ICM) for the next five years.

    Phone polls came out with Tory leads in recent weeks :)

    But not these sort of leads. None were Tory majority.
  • AndreaParma_82
    AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    ITV Granada Reports ‏@GranadaReports 3 min3 minuti fa
    Conservative Party sources are confident they can run Labour's Lindsay Hoyle close in Chorley
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813

    Looks like it's getting very close to an overall majority now.

    I just laid £2 of Lab maj @ 939-1
  • Eh_ehm_a_eh
    Eh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552
    Dair said:

    BBC Scotland report from Orkney and Zetland indicates SNP GAIN.

    The letter Zog is to return to the language!!!

    Tavish Scott thinks Carbuncle will win.
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    FTPA to be repealed?
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    Marr talking about the FTPA. Hopefully a Tory government will repeal it.
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    According to Sky ticker stats:
    10 seats so far (7 Lab holds, 3 Con holds)
    Con +2%
    Lab +3%
    [Lib Dems collapsed to 5%]

    Given there's twice the Labour seats, +2/+3 is good for the blues, but only if that's in line with the other 640 seats.
  • Cyclefree
    Cyclefree Posts: 25,709

    Scott_P said:

    Alastair fucking Campbell on ITV.

    Looks like a corpse

    I would happily dance a jig on his grave.
    There'd be a queue to do that.
  • Dair
    Dair Posts: 6,108

    The polling failure is extraordinary.

    Polling got Scotland right.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    AndyJS said:

    Maybe the threat of Sturgeon running England & Wales has caused a big reaction with voters in those countries.

    I reported back 2 weeks ago that it was a HUGE factor on the Torbay doorsteps. The CCHQ leaflets absolutely hammered that theme.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077

    This is just utterly astonishing.

    I confess, I wish I voted Tory now :cold_sweat:
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045

    It's Russell Brand I feel sorry for. Clearly he was duped by Labour on a false prospectus.

    He only cares about book sales and youtube hits - don't feel sorry for an intelligent man playing the fool for his own benefit.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609

    ITV Granada Reports ‏@GranadaReports 3 min3 minuti fa
    Conservative Party sources are confident they can run Labour's Lindsay Hoyle close in Chorley

    Shame, he'd be a good Speaker.
  • AndreaParma_82
    AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Adrian Masters @adrianmasters84 · 18 sec 19 secondi fa
    Conservative source says Vale of Clwyd is 'in play' and on knife-edge; Gower is 'exciting' and Brecon and Radnor is theirs.
  • Saltire
    Saltire Posts: 525
    Scotland will vote for independence in 2018.
    3 years of the Tories running the country with no Scottish MPs whilst Scotland has voted even more overwhelming for left leaning party than ever before will probably be enough to persuade another 5% to vote Yes.
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    antifrank said:

    @bbckamal: Lib Dem sources now admitting exit poll looking correct. Cd win as few as 10 seats. Some big names under pressure #GE2015

    Who will be the LibDem MPs?

  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited May 2015

    Remember tim etal 'PBTories, always wrong, all the time'

    They were wrong.

    Just not in the direction the Labour shills were prematurely gloating over.
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mr. 30, circa 4.30am, if no recount.
  • KentRising
    KentRising Posts: 2,926
    TimGeo said:

    1992 - great year met the women who became my wife - also saw a great victory by John Major - Pollsters fail to pick up on the British ( English ) Reticence that they feel actually economically better off - a position that they do nor wish to put at risk..

    I don't think people do generally feel better off. But I think they have more trust that they will eventually get to that position under the Tories than under Labour, who let us not forget, gubbed the economy.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    SPIN 319

    Effective Maj 323

    But note Betfair majority = 326
  • FattyBolger
    FattyBolger Posts: 299

    Okay, R5L headlines at 01.30 utterly biased towards Labour. Leads with Khan's win and the other Labour wins, then negative stories for the Conservatives.

    Ridiculous, on this of all nights.

    Fk'em....now for the BBC Charter licence renewal discussions!!

    Seriously I genuinely think this will be incomprehensible to R5 media types....not deliberate bias or any sinsiter, just total incomprehension of the worldview expressed by the results so far
  • Slackbladder
    Slackbladder Posts: 9,800
    Press Association ‏@pressassoc 8 mins8 minutes ago

    Conservative sources say the party is set to gain Walsall South from Labour. #pointers #GE2015

    Woah.......
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    Some asking where the polls were wrong - Essentially two points :

    1. Shy Tories.
    2. Differential turnout favouring both the Tories and SNP.

  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    Dair said:

    Chameleon said:

    JackW said:

    Where's JackW?

    You called.

    Your ARSE was a shocker, it went way too low on Con ;)
    And over 35% out on SNP.
    That as well. If you had to call one seat to stay with a unionist party, which one would it be?
  • Stark_Dawning
    Stark_Dawning Posts: 10,202

    I don't think we will be hearing the phrase "pb hodges" for a while. Alongside JackW, Robert Smithson and Southam Observer, Dan Hodges had the courage to call it early and very much contrary to the prevailing narrative, and then not waver for a moment, even as the polls refused to comply. His stock has risen immensely.

    In all fairness, Hodges' reasoning was simple and sound - a strengthening economy and a Tory leader who was vastly more respected than his Labour rival. The rest just flimflam.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Carmichael - Sweet Jesus
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    We are about to see Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron for the first time.
  • NoEasyDay
    NoEasyDay Posts: 454
    Anyone heard from one Mike Smithson, and labour most seats ? Labour spartan army on the ground, how important is to have peeps on the ground. "There is no evidence that the tory wasted vote has gone"
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453

    Remember tim etal 'PBTories, always wrong, all the time'

    I'm saying nothing....

    Is he still tweeting?
  • Scrapheap_as_was
    Scrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    can we stop the waffle on the uk constitution and actually get some results reported or info such as Nuneaton, Walsall etc - should I ditch the bbc coverage?
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    SDLP hold Foyle.
    SF hold West Tyrone.
  • Ave_it
    Ave_it Posts: 2,411

    Press Association ‏@pressassoc 8 mins8 minutes ago

    Conservative sources say the party is set to gain Walsall South from Labour. #pointers #GE2015

    Woah.......

    And we will get Dudley N too...
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    edited May 2015
    JackW said:

    Some asking where the polls were wrong - Essentially two points :

    1. Shy Tories.
    2. Differential turnout favouring both the Tories and SNP.

    Dumb question, but I thought the pollsters tried to factor for this (Shy Tories)?
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    @Tissue_Price TAKE A BOW
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    LucyJones said:

    Breitbart reporting a recount in Twickenham.

    That website is god awful. Filled with some of the worst, most hate-filled people.
  • Cyclefree
    Cyclefree Posts: 25,709

    Tristram Hunt talking utter gibberish

    No change there then.

  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,728
    What Labour AND the Tories have to ask themselves...why are voters who both would expect are going to UKIP.

    Simply sneering and calling them closet racists and fruit cakes doesn't work and also there is more going on than that.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    @JackW Take a BOW
    @Rodcrosby TAKE A BOW !
  • AlastairMeeks
    AlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    rcs1000 said:

    antifrank said:

    @bbckamal: Lib Dem sources now admitting exit poll looking correct. Cd win as few as 10 seats. Some big names under pressure #GE2015

    Who will be the LibDem MPs?

    Good question. Tim Farron and Norman Lamb are the only two who look completely safe on these figures.
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    Pulpstar said:

    @JackW Take a BOW
    @Rodcrosby TAKE A BOW !

    ahem...
  • Slackbladder
    Slackbladder Posts: 9,800
    Ed is Crap.
  • currystar
    currystar Posts: 1,171
    Who said back labour for an overall majority at 5/4 last year?
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @paulhutcheon: Looks like @scottishlabour will win one seat: edin south
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    So who first suggested Twickenham would go Conservative and was she or he greeted with derision or did you place your bets? TSE?

    Hat tip? ;)

    Could individual voter registration have been a factor in these results?

    I might have mentioned it once or twice...

    In 1992 the register was affected by the poll tax with much the same effect.
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