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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,419
    Has Piers Morgan been on yet? (In 2010 they had him on some pleasure barge on the Thames, dismissing the exit poll.)
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    That's a HIDEOUS result for LAB in Wrexham!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 50,079
    Wrexham swing 3% Lab to Con?
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    currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171
    Will the result tonight ruin this site. What is the point of any discussion prior to the exit poll. It's all meaningless. The polls were just so amazingly wrong.
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    pinball13pinball13 Posts: 78
    Pollsterdammerung
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    Tristrm Hunt... 'Ed has exceeded expectations'... lol

    Perfectly true
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    ConcanvasserConcanvasser Posts: 165
    Larry the Battersea Dogs and cats Home Cat looking safe inDowning steet tonight!
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    RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 621
    4 million conversations seemed to have convinced the electorate...
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 52,080

    Edinburgh South only Edi seat in play.

    Sales of nose pegs were rocketing as the tories went to the polls in Edinburgh South. Very heavy tactical voting. Will it be enough? Who knows.
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    paulyorkpaulyork Posts: 50
    Neil kinnock gave the only impressive political speech ive ever heard. Tonights wasnt it!
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,416
    3% swing Lab to Con in Wrexham!!!!!!!!!!
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,667
    Looking forward to The Gower....
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    Tories could have won Wrexham...Wrexham!!!
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    Flockers_pbFlockers_pb Posts: 204
    Swing to Tories in Wrexham. There are no words.
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    JazJaz Posts: 21
    Libdems are going tory and kip. :D
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    rcs1000 said:

    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Alastair fucking Campbell on ITV.

    Looks like a corpse

    Wow Orkney and Zetland has gone. Go SNP.
    Really?

    There's no exit poll there, and has counting even started?
    Carmichael is ashen faced.
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    JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,067
    rcs1000 said:

    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Alastair fucking Campbell on ITV.

    Looks like a corpse

    Wow Orkney and Zetland has gone. Go SNP.
    Really?

    There's no exit poll there, and has counting even started?
    No, they've declared for Norway.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,783
    It's a Conservative majority, and I reckon the LDs are going to be on 8-12.
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    the right s on the march everywhere south of Durham
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    ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658

    Bercow looking in a risky position

    I can't take much more. I may die of pleasure.

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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,054
    2.9% swing labour to conservative in Wrexham - who would believe it
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 52,080
    How long till we see the first tory gain from Labour? They are going to come on the results to date.
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,181
    0% Con to Lab swing (rounded) nationwide so far, and that is with a majority of the seats declared being in the region where Labour were supposed to go forwards the most!
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    SaltireSaltire Posts: 525

    Battersea; Jane Ellison (blue hold) 26,730 (+5%)

    LDs -10.3%.- things are not looking good tonight for the yellows.

    The Libdems can only dream of being down only 10% in most seats tonight
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,921
    edited May 2015
    I think it might time for me to delete that thread from a few years ago, where I wrote a thread saying a Tory majority would NEVER happen in 2015
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Wrexam swing of 3 to Tories.
    UKIP on 16%
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    Fenster said:

    If Cameron wins a majority I hope - and I hope he reads this - that he goes massive on helping people with disabilities. On helping carers and helping those who have genuinely shitty, difficult, heart-breaking lives with no money and selfless intentions.

    I know Cameron will empathise with these people after what he went through with his own son. These people need more help - I've seen it in my own family with my Dad suffering from Alzheimers at 56 and my Mam having to retire to care for him.

    It would be the right thing to do more to look after the genuinely needy and it could be the clause 4 moment for the Tories.

    I reckon, anyway.

    This, fantastic post. I also hope ATOS is reformed.
    ATOS has already gone for the Work Capability Assessment. They were introduced by Labour, removed by the coalition. :-)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_Capability_Assessment

    We need to ensure the replacement works better. Although even just working would be better...
    I mean for ATOS to be reformed so that many disabled people aren't chucked off benefits, when they actually need help.
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    peterbusspeterbuss Posts: 109
    RobD said:

    Swing to Tories in Battersea.

    Hahahaha.

    Sorry.

    Hahahahahaha!!!!

    This is all so surreal.

    Sending out emergency care packages to PB Tories containing a generous supply of smelling salts.
    As a Tory I certainly need them! I can't believe what I am seeing. Bit like Headingley 1981 all over again!

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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,160
    As an aside, during the campaign I never had a doorknocker. Surprised, given the nature of the constituency.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Astounding result in Wrexham.
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    Flockers_pbFlockers_pb Posts: 204
    Nabbers, I recant.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    MP_SE said:

    My labour leaning friends in London went tory. I have been hearing grumbling for weeks from labour voters which defied the polls. An incredible set of results so far.

    Mansion Tax?

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,285
    Buy NOM at 1.06 they said.

    Nailed on... they said...
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    oh, and I did mention Norman Lamb is in for an interesting night didn't I a few days ago?
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited May 2015
    It's on nights like this I feel some pity for Tim late of this Parish. His head must have exploded at 10pm and 5 seconds tonight.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,306
    Awaiting the first revision to the forecast. Will Con be up?
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    watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474

    Tristrm Hunt... 'Ed has exceeded expectations'... lol

    Gosh, how low were they!?
    He didn't soil himself on live TV.
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Who or what is Nabbers
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,018
    Have just gone anti-Hunt, anti-Balls and anti-Clegg. Can see every one happening now....
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The pollsters have some explaining to do.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,928
    Wrexham - another swing TO the Tories.
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Salmond SMILING wide.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,786
    Okay, R5L headlines at 01.30 utterly biased towards Labour. Leads with Khan's win and the other Labour wins, then negative stories for the Conservatives.

    Ridiculous, on this of all nights.
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    LucyJonesLucyJones Posts: 651
    So, if Cameron gets a majority, are we looking at an EU referendum in 2017?
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,181
    Tory only non SNP eat in Scotland?
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    saddosaddo Posts: 534
    It has to be said

    Lynton Crosby is a freaking genius.

    BTW Crosby Textor do all their own polling
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    Nabbers, I recant.

    I was too cautious!
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    paulyorkpaulyork Posts: 50
    Miliband exceeded expectations? Lol
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    Bob__SykesBob__Sykes Posts: 1,176
    This is the election night experience I wanted in 2010!
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited May 2015
    AndyJS said:

    Astounding result in Wrexham.

    UKIP must have got a ton of votes from Labour for them to be on 16% and the Tories to have gone up 6%.
    We might have to look at some Labour-UKIP races now.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    currystar said:

    Will the result tonight ruin this site. What is the point of any discussion prior to the exit poll. It's all meaningless. The polls were just so amazingly wrong.

    Ruin it?! It was ruined by the obsessive nitpicking over polls, this could save it
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    UKIP is hurting Labour.

    This brings into question the database pollsters use and their weightings.

    It is not that the run up to the election the weightings were wrong; it has been not representative for sometime, probably for all these 5 years.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,306
    saddo said:

    It has to be said

    Lynton Crosby is a freaking genius.

    BTW Crosby Textor do all their own polling

    I remember some comments yesterday about how Crosby was a waste of money? LOL
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,063
    Janan Ganesh ‏@JananGanesh · 8m8 minutes ago
    I'm starting to doubt whether celebrity endorsements are accurate gauges of public opinion.

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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    It's time not trust any poll (even PB's ICM) for the next five years.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    ITV: Nuneaton Tory hold.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    How bad could this get for Mike? Hope he's got out of the market in one piece.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269
    Fenster said:

    If Cameron wins a majority I hope - and I hope he reads this - that he goes massive on helping people with disabilities. On helping carers and helping those who have genuinely shitty, difficult, heart-breaking lives with no money and selfless intentions.

    I know Cameron will empathise with these people after what he went through with his own son. These people need more help - I've seen it in my own family with my Dad suffering from Alzheimers at 56 and my Mam having to retire to care for him.

    It would be the right thing to do more to look after the genuinely needy and it could be the clause 4 moment for the Tories.

    I reckon, anyway.

    Yes. Brilliant post. Magnanimity in victory and generosity to those in need.
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    Bob__SykesBob__Sykes Posts: 1,176
    I was convinced UKIP was going to turf out Dave and put Ed in.

    In fact, it's quite the opposite.
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    MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    edited May 2015

    You have to feel sorry for politicans... they can hardly say.'yep, we're screwed tonight;

    Haha! I agree with almost the entire sentiment, except for the "feeling sorry for them" part. They chose a profession in which they get to tell ridiculous red-faced lies to the rest of us, tonight is a night when we can all enjoy the preposterousness of it all without wanting to slap them while they're doing it, because we can see in their haunted eyes that they know it's crap too. "Not wanting to slap them" is about as close to sympathy as I can muster for a pol.

    (With apologies to Nick Palmer, who generally seems to set "politician mode" to the OFF position before posting on here, which I greatly admire.)
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,181
    Pulpstar said:

    Buy NOM at 1.06 they said.

    Nailed on... they said...

    Put the mortgage on it they said...
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    FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420
    A Basic Fact:

    A 95% Confidence-Interval does not mean - erm - on average that 19 out of twenty polls are accurate. It just means that they are close enough to the mean to be credible. Can I say congrats to Prof Fisher for calling the election months ago!
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 93,627
    Gods, even Orkney will be gone, probably? Unthinkable (except in this election).
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    AndyJS said:

    ITV: Nuneaton Tory hold.

    Thats the one we want...
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    FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    Andrew said:

    Spread con midpoints: spin 317, ig 317, sprx 314.5.

    OK - who has made loadsamoney and who has lost a fortune?

    And in a dim memory - I recall reports of an anonymous punter betting a fortune on some sort of majority. But cannot remember on who?
    Can anyone remember on which party?
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    RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 621
    AndyJS said:

    Astounding result in Wrexham.

    Kippers stopped a Tory gain - this could be a theme in a number of seats and prevent DC from having an otherwise solid majority.

    Without Farage on the scene, they may well now crumble.

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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,927
    As much as I have always thought Ed is Crap, I never, ever thought he would do worse than Gordon Brown
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Anyway I am surprised...can I tell you?

    I didn't expect such a bad result for Labour.
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    GravitationGravitation Posts: 281
    Chameleon said:

    Tory only non SNP eat in Scotland?

    That would be nearly as hilarious as Balls losing. Nearly.
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    Wasnt Broxtow supposed to be going back labour by 2,500. What's the chances of this now?
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    DOUGIE ALEXANDER HAS LOST. His face says it on BBC Scotland. No way he has held with that face.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,416
    And people on here were posting yesterday that Con would have done better with David Davis!!!!!!!!!!
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Cyclefree said:

    Fenster said:

    If Cameron wins a majority I hope - and I hope he reads this - that he goes massive on helping people with disabilities. On helping carers and helping those who have genuinely shitty, difficult, heart-breaking lives with no money and selfless intentions.

    I know Cameron will empathise with these people after what he went through with his own son. These people need more help - I've seen it in my own family with my Dad suffering from Alzheimers at 56 and my Mam having to retire to care for him.

    It would be the right thing to do more to look after the genuinely needy and it could be the clause 4 moment for the Tories.

    I reckon, anyway.

    Yes. Brilliant post. Magnanimity in victory and generosity to those in need.
    Disability benefits will be taxed were the rumours.
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,851
    Where's JackW?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Maybe the threat of Sturgeon running England & Wales has caused a big reaction with voters in those countries.
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    EDW20000EDW20000 Posts: 138
    Cyclefree said:

    Fenster said:

    If Cameron wins a majority I hope - and I hope he reads this - that he goes massive on helping people with disabilities. On helping carers and helping those who have genuinely shitty, difficult, heart-breaking lives with no money and selfless intentions.

    I know Cameron will empathise with these people after what he went through with his own son. These people need more help - I've seen it in my own family with my Dad suffering from Alzheimers at 56 and my Mam having to retire to care for him.

    It would be the right thing to do more to look after the genuinely needy and it could be the clause 4 moment for the Tories.

    I reckon, anyway.

    Yes. Brilliant post. Magnanimity in victory and generosity to those in need.
    12bn welfare cuts, lolz
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,419
    It's Russell Brand I feel sorry for. Clearly he was duped by Labour on a false prospectus.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,054
    surbiton said:

    UKIP is hurting Labour.

    This brings into question the database pollsters use and their weightings.

    It is not that the run up to the election the weightings were wrong; it has been not representative for sometime, probably for all these 5 years.

    You seemed absolutely certain of labour success - would you accept that this is a disaster for labour and Ed Miliband in particular
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,306

    AndyJS said:

    ITV: Nuneaton Tory hold.

    Thats the one we want...
    That, and Morley... :D
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,294
    This is just utterly astonishing.
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,181

    Andrew said:

    Spread con midpoints: spin 317, ig 317, sprx 314.5.

    OK - who has made loadsamoney and who has lost a fortune?

    And in a dim memory - I recall reports of an anonymous punter betting a fortune on some sort of majority. But cannot remember on who?
    Can anyone remember on which party?
    Con majority. Their son was trying (but failed) to get it back. They now may have £240,000 in their pocket...
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    NoEasyDayNoEasyDay Posts: 454
    rcs1000 said:

    It's a Conservative majority, and I reckon the LDs are going to be on 8-12.

    Disagree with you slightly sir, the results notheast wise are dreadful. Which says to me the votes have gone elsewhere. To incumbents.
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    ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658
    saddo said:

    It has to be said


    BTW Crosby Textor do all their own polling

    Oooooooooooooh.

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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    Janan Ganesh ‏@JananGanesh · 8m8 minutes ago
    I'm starting to doubt whether celebrity endorsements are accurate gauges of public opinion.

    He's started to doubt that now? LOL.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713

    AndyJS said:

    Astounding result in Wrexham.

    Kippers stopped a Tory gain - this could be a theme in a number of seats and prevent DC from having an otherwise solid majority.

    Without Farage on the scene, they may well now crumble.

    We live in interesting times with Scotland, EU referendum etc etc moving forward
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    I expect Nuneaton to be CON hold by 7,000
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,786

    Fenster said:

    If Cameron wins a majority I hope - and I hope he reads this - that he goes massive on helping people with disabilities. On helping carers and helping those who have genuinely shitty, difficult, heart-breaking lives with no money and selfless intentions.

    I know Cameron will empathise with these people after what he went through with his own son. These people need more help - I've seen it in my own family with my Dad suffering from Alzheimers at 56 and my Mam having to retire to care for him.

    It would be the right thing to do more to look after the genuinely needy and it could be the clause 4 moment for the Tories.

    I reckon, anyway.

    This, fantastic post. I also hope ATOS is reformed.
    ATOS has already gone for the Work Capability Assessment. They were introduced by Labour, removed by the coalition. :-)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_Capability_Assessment

    We need to ensure the replacement works better. Although even just working would be better...
    I mean for ATOS to be reformed so that many disabled people aren't chucked off benefits, when they actually need help.
    You mean the WCA, I assume? ATOS were the provider of the WCA.

    In that case, I agree. AIUI, Labour arranged for ATOS to get money for every person chucked off the benefit. It was therefore in their interest to find as many people as possible as not being disabled. At the very least, that needs reforming, albeit carefully.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,063
    oops jon sopel in Doncaster - talking about david miliband....
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    BBC flips to Doncaster, and the big sign over Sopel's shoulder says 'Fire Exit".
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    saddosaddo Posts: 534
    RobD said:

    saddo said:

    It has to be said

    Lynton Crosby is a freaking genius.

    BTW Crosby Textor do all their own polling

    I remember some comments yesterday about how Crosby was a waste of money? LOL
    Not by me!

    Cameron is too. Destroyed Labour in Scotland and possibly England. Destroyed Lib Dems.

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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,306

    Where's JackW?

    He's been around. Probably admiring his own ARSE in the mirror :)
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    So who first suggested Twickenham would go Conservative and was she or he greeted with derision or did you place your bets? TSE?

    Hat tip? ;)
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,667

    surbiton said:

    So it is clear. The Tories are the vampires successful sucking the blood from the Liberal Democrats.

    Labour has taken one hell of a beating. There's no getting round it.

    To be fair, you never went with the recent hubris.

    Labour made no case for change. And no economic case at all. And then with Ed at the helm..... You just had to forget the polls and go with gut instinct.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 50,079
    Could individual voter registration have been a factor in these results?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,921
    I'm dreaming, it can't be true.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    11 results declared so far:

    Sunderland x 3
    Newcastle x 2
    Wandsworth x 3
    Wrexham
    Swindon North
    Lagan Valley

    Current swing: 0.5% from Con to Lab

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results
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    Eh_ehm_a_ehEh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552
    Wee Dougie enters the Paisley count, chin trailing the floor.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,294
    Are Labour getting the steel ready for the knives...some carving needed.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Dair said:

    DOUGIE ALEXANDER HAS LOST. His face says it on BBC Scotland. No way he has held with that face.

    Thank you SNP - Yours, English Tories.
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