Labour only need to take TEN seats off the Tories that the Exit Poll (margin 25 seats) doesn't predict for the ONLY government to form be dependent on the 62/63 SNP/Plaid MPs.
Labour now conceding ALL except Edinburgh South in Edinburgh's five seats.
Forget it, the Tories have won this election on the base of SNP terror, thanks SNP.
It looks like the future of UKIP is Nuttall rather than any southerner. Cannot be long until some Essex seats.
I replied to you on last thread but it changed...
I was a teller in Dagenham and Rainham today and their was a big UKIP vote.. The Head of UKIP London is the Barking candidate, but he was campaigning in Dagenham as all the resources have gone there.. if the canvassing returns he quoted are right, they have won there.. we shall see
If Farage and Reckless lose, if that place in Scotland I can't remember goes SNP (c something), if Tory most seats, if Tories take Taunton then I think I've a clean sweep other than last nights late night bet on Lib dems in Maidstone...
Far too early to try and log in to the betting sites to find out what on earth that would mean.
Why, oh wise PBer, by how much do you predict this? (I'm being serious here).
4% swing to con Swindon N much better than exit poll projection 0% swing in London Con only need to do 1% swing better than 2010 in LAB targets given LD meltdown
Genuinely worried for the people at the bottom of society.
Well, that's what many europhic Tories here aren't really talking about. But I doubt there administration will be stable; so it may well self-destruct within three years.
The pollsters do look as if they need to go away and do some head-scratching. It looks like the shy Tories are back in force, and in a way that the post-1992 adjustments have failed to pick up.
Labour only need to take TEN seats off the Tories that the Exit Poll (margin 25 seats) doesn't predict for the ONLY government to form be dependent on the 62/63 SNP/Plaid MPs.
Labour now conceding ALL except Edinburgh South in Edinburgh's five seats.
Forget it, the Tories have won this election on the base of SNP terror, thanks SNP.
LDs being replaced as third party in some areas, replaced as second in others? SW no longer to be LD if you are anti-Tory? Might take more than 5 years to recover this time.
Comsidering that they are being wiped out almost everywhere there must be some areas where they might never recover. It is hard to see for example for them to become relevant in Scotland again anytime soon. They might even lose 1 or 2 of their remaining seats in Holyrood in 2016 and they only have 4 at the moment!
Labour only need to take TEN seats off the Tories that the Exit Poll (margin 25 seats) doesn't predict for the ONLY government to form be dependent on the 62/63 SNP/Plaid MPs.
Labour now conceding ALL except Edinburgh South in Edinburgh's five seats.
Forget it, the Tories have won this election on the base of SNP terror, thanks SNP.
And lost the Union.
I have no problem of extracting revenge from scotland by imposing SNP rule on them.
If, according to Labour, 316 seats is not enough to be a govt then 239 seats is definitely not enough either. Labour's disconnect from reality is staggering
Genuinely worried for the people at the bottom of society.
It's a clear Tory win, but they have a very tricky time to come. Scotland and the EU will be very tough to negotiate; the economy is looking a little shakey. It will not be plain sailing.
Labour only need to take TEN seats off the Tories that the Exit Poll (margin 25 seats) doesn't predict for the ONLY government to form be dependent on the 62/63 SNP/Plaid MPs.
Labour now conceding ALL except Edinburgh South in Edinburgh's five seats.
Forget it, the Tories have won this election on the base of SNP terror, thanks SNP.
And lost the Union.
Not the Tories fault. It's lost because Scotland wants it lost, clearly. No one can stop that
If, according to Labour, 316 seats is not enough to be a govt then 239 seats is definitely not enough either. Labour's disconnect from reality is staggering
Difference is only one party gets a guaranteed extra 50 votes
LDs being replaced as third party in some areas, replaced as second in others? SW no longer to be LD if you are anti-Tory? Might take more than 5 years to recover this time.
Comsidering that they are being wiped out almost everywhere there must be some areas where they might never recover. It is hard to see for example for them to become relevant in Scotland again anytime soon. They might even lose 1 or 2 of their remaining seats in Holyrood in 2016 and they only have 4 at the moment!
The LDs might completely disappear. Or they might recover quickly like the Conservatives in Canada.
Why, oh wise PBer, by how much do you predict this? (I'm being serious here).
4% swing to con Swindon N much better than exit poll projection 0% swing in London Con only need to do 1% swing better than 2010 in LAB targets given LD meltdown
Labour only need to take TEN seats off the Tories that the Exit Poll (margin 25 seats) doesn't predict for the ONLY government to form be dependent on the 62/63 SNP/Plaid MPs.
Labour now conceding ALL except Edinburgh South in Edinburgh's five seats.
Forget it, the Tories have won this election on the base of SNP terror, thanks SNP.
If they have won, it's just as likely because voters looked at Milliband, and thought 'Nope, not you chum'.
Genuinely worried for the people at the bottom of society.
Well, that's what many europhic Tories here aren't really talking about. But I doubt there administration will be stable; so it may well self-destruct within three years.
Why, oh wise PBer, by how much do you predict this? (I'm being serious here).
4% swing to con Swindon N much better than exit poll projection 0% swing in London Con only need to do 1% swing better than 2010 in LAB targets given LD meltdown
As we righgtwingers gloat (and as you personally exult in your accuracy) Labour REALLY need to look at how they elect leaders. Ed Miliband was a loser from the off. Only the Unions elevated him.
As we righgtwingers gloat (and as you personally exult in your accuracy) Labour REALLY need to look at how they elect leaders. Ed Miliband was a loser from the off. Only the Unions elevated him.
The unions are a strait-jacket for Labour and the centre left generally. It's not possible to create a sensible centre left party with the unions involved.
So if the exit poll is right Cameron will have to go with a minority, surely, unless the DUP are on board? The LDs won't be willing to or be wanted, which in a way is worse for Cameron as he cannot get a workable majority thanks to them anymore. Difficult for him, but still better than expected if this pans out.
So if the exit poll is right Cameron will have to go with a minority, surely, unless the DUP are on board? The LDs won't be willing to or be wanted, which in a way is worse for Cameron as he cannot get a workable majority thanks to them anymore. Difficult for him, but still better than expected if this pans out.
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I was a teller in Dagenham and Rainham today and their was a big UKIP vote.. The Head of UKIP London is the Barking candidate, but he was campaigning in Dagenham as all the resources have gone there.. if the canvassing returns he quoted are right, they have won there.. we shall see
Far too early to try and log in to the betting sites to find out what on earth that would mean.
Alas, a dream.
0% swing in London
Con only need to do 1% swing better than 2010 in LAB targets given LD meltdown
I project maybe 330 but DYOR!
Ukip look chipper over on the Bradford South tables.
Got to be worth it. Still may not happen but that London result is amazing.
I thought it was 5% but no expert
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/596099984069697539
The issue for UKIP is that Carswell is from the libertarian side of the party, and that's not really that popular a platform in the North of England.
Or they might recover quickly like the Conservatives in Canada.
Who knows?
EDIT: another 1% Con-Lab swing.
Cons majority is a real real real possibility folks
Lab 19,378 (17,043)
Con 6,884 (6,068)
UKIP 4,910 (-)
LD 4,332 (12,590)
Greens 3,426 (620)
TUSC 170 (-)
Comm Brit 122 (177)
Lab vote +4.8%
Can this night get any better? YEEEEEEES
Heh!
No matter anything else, in terms of the UK being a democratic country, this is the BEST RESULT OF THE NIGHT.