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  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,018
    Chris said:

    You seem to think you're the only person here with experience of dementia. Absurd.
    Of course I don't but I have seen my father in law die in our home with our family holding his hands and him not knowing any of us, a neighbour who should not be driving become violent towards her son when he took her car keys away, and another long standing widow and friend deny all access to her home for days hiding away frightened and in denial

    I have many other examples but when you are 80+ and your wife is 84 dementia is something you become very aware of
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,825
    Andy_JS said:

    Can anyone clear up a strange comment Kamala Harris made a couple of days ago? She said "I've never been to Europe" but she definitely has been to Europe on several trips as vice president. So why did she say that? Maybe it was some sort of joke that isn't immediately apparent.

    https://nypost.com/2021/06/08/kamala-harris-dismisses-criticism-for-not-visiting-us-border/

    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/09/politics/kamala-harris-poland-romania/index.html
    https://www.npr.org/2024/02/15/1231464219/kamala-harris-munich-nato-trump

    I think she was just referring to that specific period. As in, “I haven’t been to lots of places, not just the border.”
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,196
    carnforth said:

    Also, if the country is used to "President Harris", they might be more likely to vote for her.

    Plus, Biden gets to make a woman president.
    Alternatively, going through the traditional party nomination & election process will be better than handing over the Presidency with a letter.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,370
    boulay said:

    Trump wishes he had six inches of solid bone.
    Can I make a Rod Liddle joke?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,295
    carnforth said:

    Were they standing at twat mid off?
    Another example of the local police not doing their job.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,690
    nico679 said:

    She won’t just stand there like a pinata taking hit after hit . She was perfectly fine in 2020 against Pence .
    And she’s had four years of crap being thrown at her to toughen up.
    It will be very interesting to see if she can step up.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,295
    edited July 2024
    Trump spectacularly misses an opportunity to pitch for the independents:

    Donald Trump had this to say about Joe Biden’s decision to exit the race, as posted on Truth Social:

    "Crooked Joe Biden was not fit to run for President, and is certainly not fit to serve - And never was! He only attained the position of President by lies, Fake News, and not leaving his Basement. All those around him, including his Doctor and the Media, knew that he wasn’t capable of being President, and he wasn’t - And now, look what he’s done to our Country, with millions of people coming across our Border, totally unchecked and unvetted, many from prisons, mental institutions, and record numbers of terrorists. We will suffer greatly because of his presidency, but we will remedy the damage he has done very quickly. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/jul/21/biden-drops-out-presidential-election
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,295
    Andy_JS said:

    Can anyone clear up a strange comment Kamala Harris made a couple of days ago? She said "I've never been to Europe" but she definitely has been to Europe on several trips as vice president. So why did she say that? Maybe it was some sort of joke that isn't immediately apparent.

    https://nypost.com/2021/06/08/kamala-harris-dismisses-criticism-for-not-visiting-us-border/

    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/09/politics/kamala-harris-poland-romania/index.html
    https://www.npr.org/2024/02/15/1231464219/kamala-harris-munich-nato-trump

    She's probably an American Theresa May/Sunak hybrid candidate.

    Trump probably wins.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,825
    Striking that no other big names seem to have said anything in support of Harris yet.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331

    They have to support whomever they chose up to the hilt. It must be a united front against Trump.

    Not often I agree with you. But 100% this.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,690

    The absolute banter outcome now is for the Dems to run on Trump’s age and mental capacity to do the job.

    https://x.com/keiranpedley/status/1815089099050799595

    He is now the oldest nominee in US history.

    The geriatric buffoon.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,370
    Nunu5 said:

    Whisper it: I don't think Kamala is that good at debates. And it's far from certain she would beat trump in one.

    She's not.

    However, she is compis mentis.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,917

    The latest 538 polls had Harris polling better than Biden in some polls, with others showing the opposite.

    "Currently" means nothing. Every poll is outdated now. Hypothetical polls are different to real ones.

    What can be reasonably predicted now is that:
    1. Approval of Biden will recover to a degree now, just as the approval ratings of every retiring president improve in their final couple of months after November, provided that they conduct themselves with grace.
    2. Harris's polling will improve by virtue of:
    - her new status as Biden's nominated heir
    - the fact that her candidacy in a hypothetical poll would no longer imply a disloyal challenge to a president running for a second term
    - the newfound unity amongst Democrats, for I doubt if she will face any serious challenge
    - potentially a strong VP pick to join Harris on the ticket
    I reckon these hypothetical polls are likely to be even more misleading than hypothetical polls in general.

    I think as presumptive nominee, Biden would get the full benefit of anti-Trump sentiment, in a way that hypothetical alternatives wouldn't. Let's see some polls where it's a definite choice between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,154
    rcs1000 said:

    Can I make a Rod Liddle joke?
    Only fair considering I had made a liddle rod joke.
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 982
    Andy_JS said:

    Full quote from Johnson.

    https://x.com/SpeakerJohnson/status/1815093011669516433

    "Speaker Mike Johnson
    @SpeakerJohnson

    At this unprecedented juncture in American history, we must be clear about what just happened. The Democrat Party forced the Democrat nominee off the ballot, just over 100 days before the election.

    Having invalidated the votes of more than 14 million Americans who selected Joe Biden to be the Democrat nominee for president, the self-proclaimed ‘party of democracy’ has proven exactly the opposite.

    The party’s prospects are no better now with Vice President Kamala Harris, who co-owns the disastrous policy failures of the Biden Administration. As second in command and a completely inept border czar, Harris has been a gleeful accomplice — not only in the destruction of American sovereignty, security, and prosperity, but also in the largest political coverup in U.S. history. She has known for as long as anyone of his incapacity to serve.

    Regardless of the chaos in the current White House, our adversaries around the globe should be reminded that the U.S. Congress, the U.S. military, and the American people are fully prepared and committed to defend our interests both at home and abroad.

    If Joe Biden is not fit to run for President, he is not fit to serve as President. He must resign the office immediately. November 5 cannot arrive soon enough."

    He just risks looking like a meanie
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,024

    ...

    Have you considered the Women's vote, have you considered Kamala 's ethnicity and that Trump is going to appear utterly bonkers when debating Kamala.There might also be a sympathy vote for the Dems in respect of Biden's capitulation. Don't forget "Crooked Joe" ( and only Trump believes he is crooked) has gone for the good of country and party, and although Trump now believes he is probably Jesus having survived an assassination attempt, he is not.

    You may be right of course, but I don't believe you have considered anything other than hypothetical polling and made some bizarre extrapolation from Nixon/ McGovern.
    Women even voted for Hillary, polls show Harris less popular with blacks than Obama was. She has no connection with those white working class rustbelt males who voted for Trump in 2016 and switched to Biden in 2020, the likes of Buttigieg would have more connection with Independents and suburban white graduates than she does too
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,468
    rcs1000 said:

    She's not.

    However, she is compis mentis.
    She'll clobber Trump.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,370
    WillG said:

    Josh Shapiro, Andy Beshear and Pete Buttigieg would have to be the best VP picks.

    I would add Ossoff to the list.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,554

    No it doesn't.

    He could argue he is fine to continue now, but another four years at his ( or Trump's age ) is a stretch.
    Which is valid, and avoids a potential admission to the opposition accusation that Biden is unfit now and that has been covered up, but there's not really a way to avoid the attack line that his staying in part is to avoid her taking over as she is not up to it.

    I don't think that's true, but bear in mind that the 2-3% of voters who will decide the election whose minds are not made up are explicitly those already unclear on who they prefer between Biden and Trump, so are precisely the kind of people who are at least potentially receptive of that attack.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,917

    Of course I don't but I have seen my father in law die in our home with our family holding his hands and him not knowing any of us, a neighbour who should not be driving become violent towards her son when he took her car keys away, and another long standing widow and friend deny all access to her home for days hiding away frightened and in denial

    I have many other examples but when you are 80+ and your wife is 84 dementia is something you become very aware of
    Please just don't say to other people "you do not know ..." Most of us do.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,814
    Nigelb said:

    Predictably, remains a graceless twat.
    I hate that guy too. But he’s perfectly correct of course.

    The US President doesn’t just ratify the legislature’s bills or act as the symbol of the nation. They are Commander in Chief of the world’s supreme military.

    Seems pretty obvious to me that a large part of the world’s instability can be blamed on his weakness in that third role (actual and perceived by enemies).

    Also, if Kamala is to be the candidate, her best shot of winning is to get the credibility bump from 10 weeks standing in front of the presidential seal. This soft endorsement favours almost no one but DJT.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,223

    Striking that no other big names seem to have said anything in support of Harris yet.

    Shapiro might be the first...
  • glwglw Posts: 10,361
    Andy_JS said:

    Full quote from Johnson.

    https://x.com/SpeakerJohnson/status/1815093011669516433

    "Speaker Mike Johnson
    @SpeakerJohnson

    At this unprecedented juncture in American history, we must be clear about what just happened. The Democrat Party forced the Democrat nominee off the ballot, just over 100 days before the election.

    Having invalidated the votes of more than 14 million Americans who selected Joe Biden to be the Democrat nominee for president, the self-proclaimed ‘party of democracy’ has proven exactly the opposite.

    The party’s prospects are no better now with Vice President Kamala Harris, who co-owns the disastrous policy failures of the Biden Administration. As second in command and a completely inept border czar, Harris has been a gleeful accomplice — not only in the destruction of American sovereignty, security, and prosperity, but also in the largest political coverup in U.S. history. She has known for as long as anyone of his incapacity to serve.

    Regardless of the chaos in the current White House, our adversaries around the globe should be reminded that the U.S. Congress, the U.S. military, and the American people are fully prepared and committed to defend our interests both at home and abroad.

    If Joe Biden is not fit to run for President, he is not fit to serve as President. He must resign the office immediately. November 5 cannot arrive soon enough."

    The GOP are so butthurt.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,619
    Kamala v Trump.

    Not a great choice
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,196
    carnforth said:

    Were they standing at twat mid off?
    Silly twat off, Shirley?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,554
    Nunu5 said:

    He just risks looking like a meanie
    That if he is not fit to run for four more years he is not fit to remain as president for 5 more months is easy enough to refute, but I expect we'll hear about it relentlessly, since at least some percentage even of Democrats will also believe it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,690

    Staying in office would implicitly signal that Harris isn’t up to the job.
    Why ?
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,619

    Trump spectacularly misses an opportunity to pitch for the independents:

    Donald Trump had this to say about Joe Biden’s decision to exit the race, as posted on Truth Social:

    "Crooked Joe Biden was not fit to run for President, and is certainly not fit to serve - And never was! He only attained the position of President by lies, Fake News, and not leaving his Basement. All those around him, including his Doctor and the Media, knew that he wasn’t capable of being President, and he wasn’t - And now, look what he’s done to our Country, with millions of people coming across our Border, totally unchecked and unvetted, many from prisons, mental institutions, and record numbers of terrorists. We will suffer greatly because of his presidency, but we will remedy the damage he has done very quickly. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/jul/21/biden-drops-out-presidential-election

    Utter prick.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,770
    Another truly dire dinner in France. It is exceptional how often they now fuck up. Frozen food with a drizzle of balsamic vinegar around the plate to fake its freshness

    Utterly awful. It’s down at the level of Dutch food now. Without the herrings
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,196

    Jesus, there must be a lot of snipers round there.
    Semiautomatics are illegal here.

    So it was someone with a Lee-Enfield doing a Mad Minute?

    Kind of thing that makes you proud to be British.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,024
    WillG said:

    She was born to an immigrant mother and a black American father before blacks got civil rights. Her politics are in the middle of the Democratic party and she was tough on crime. You are just projecting sexism and racism on to her politics.
    She is a liberal coastal elitist who is pro reparations for slavery and pro transgender bathrooms, she may be the dream candidate for woke rich California liberals like the Duchess of Sussex but she is not for Middle America.

    Indeed she would have been better off endorsing Shapiro or Buttigieg in the hope of a SC nomination if they win (she is a capable lawyer granted) but she is not an effective campaigner and has no charisma
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,554
    Taz said:

    Kamala v Trump.

    Not a great choice

    What's so bad about Kamala? The worst accsuation I can recall against her is essentially being a bit crap, which as far as some of the choices go could be a lot worse even though it is not exactly inspirting.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,219
    HYUFD said:

    John Kerry was also a prosecutor, fat lot of good it did him against Bush!
    Yes, but the contrast of being young and articulate vs dozy Donald will draw sharp attention to Trump also being too old and mentally unfit.

    It will send Trump wild to lose to a black female.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,353
    Leon said:

    Can all the PB….

    “Its just a stammer”

    ….guys not take a second to step back and say, even if only for a moment? -

    OK I GOT THAT HORRIBLY WRONG

    Thanks. Asking for all the sane people on PB

    Who is the sane person on PB?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,295
    rcs1000 said:

    I would add Ossoff to the list.
    I would add Orlov to the list.

    A real match for Putin in Eastern Europe.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,515
    rcs1000 said:

    I would add Ossoff to the list.
    I have Ossoff £4 @ 112.28 but you can currently get him at 200:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.190716127

    Whereas Newsome is 20, Harris is 22, Michelle is 25 and Clinton is 40 if you want to waste money.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,272
    HYUFD said:

    Women even voted for Hillary, polls show Harris less popular with blacks than Obama was. She has no connection with those white working class rustbelt males who voted for Trump in 2016 and switched to Biden in 2020, the likes of Buttigieg would have more connection with Independents and suburban white graduates than she does too
    So if Pete is on the ticket - the job is a good 'un.

    Bizarrely Trump retains a decent base plus a big number of independents. I am not sure he is as popular as you claim or Kamala is as reviled as you suggest.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,554
    So what's Trump's insulting nickname for Kamala? Crazy Kamala or similar I assume.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    While it would have been better if Biden had stood down months ago, the delay in Biden's decision over the past week has on balance been to the Democrats' advantage, because the decision came after the Republican convention rather than on the eve of it or during it. The Republicans have been denied the opportunity to focus all the energy of their convention into an attack on Harris. The media focus will now be on Harris rather than what the Republicans say about Harris, so she'll be defining her own campaign rather than giving the Republicans the first opportunity to define it for her.

    So I wonder if the decision was made a few days ago.
  • rcs1000 said:

    I am going to create a list of PB's best irrationally over the top hatreds.

    @bigjohnowls and Starmer
    @Luckyguy1983 and Sunak
    @rcs1000 and Zac Goldsmith
    @HYUFD and Kamala Harris

    @TSE and pineapple on Pizza?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,295
    edited July 2024
    Leon said:

    Can all the PB….

    “Its just a stammer”

    ….guys not take a second to step back and say, even if only for a moment? -

    OK I GOT THAT HORRIBLY WRONG

    Thanks. Asking for all the sane people on PB

    They certainly did get it wrong, they missed out the apostrophe in it's.

    Seriously though, who are all these mythical PBers? I haven't anyone posting in the past year that there was nothing wrong with Biden.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,554

    Who is the sane person on PB?
    Me of course.

    I'm so sane it's insane.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,690

    In an earlier thread (and by earlier I mean last year) I suggested that Harris had been much more ‘present’ in the media and in public. She was tweeting or commenting on matters in a separate capacity, almost as if she was preparing the ground for a run.

    For those talking of a run by Gavin Newsom, I’d suggest you haud your wheesht. Newsom was married to Kimberly Guilfoyle who is, of course, now engaged to Don Jr.

    I’m nit suggesting that she would use here knowledge of the candidate against him buy, nor make any spurious allegations, but hey, you know, shit happens.

    Was he ?

    Doesn’t speak well of his judgment.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,018
    Chris said:

    Please just don't say to other people "you do not know ..." Most of us do.
    If you took that comment personally I would like to apologise as I have no intention to offend anyone over the distressing nature of dementia and those loved ones who have witnessed it first hand in all its emotional elements
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 982
    kle4 said:

    So what's Trump's insulting nickname for Kamala? Crazy Kamala or similar I assume.

    I swear to God if the media start to question her sanity......
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,825
    kle4 said:

    So what's Trump's insulting nickname for Kamala? Crazy Kamala or similar I assume.

    Cackling Kamala
  • Leon said:

    Another truly dire dinner in France. It is exceptional how often they now fuck up. Frozen food with a drizzle of balsamic vinegar around the plate to fake its freshness

    Utterly awful. It’s down at the level of Dutch food now. Without the herrings

    Never mind. We are off for a Cornish Curry.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,024
    edited July 2024
    Foxy said:

    Yes, but the contrast of being young and articulate vs dozy Donald will draw sharp attention to Trump also being too old and mentally unfit.

    It will send Trump wild to lose to a black female.
    Trump has charisma, Harris does not.

    Harris is the candidate of Hollywood, Silicon Valley and liberal lawyers as Hillary was, not the manufacturers and farmers and small business people Trump is (even Biden had more appeal to them as he showed in 2020)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,554

    So if Pete is on the ticket - the job is a good 'un.

    Bizarrely Trump retains a decent base plus a big number of independents. I am not sure he is as popular as you claim or Kamala is as reviled as you suggest.
    I hope so. The large number of independents who are at best only midly irked by Trump being a convicted criminal and election denier are the key, is the hope they were so put off by BIden's frailty that they will swing en masse behind Kamala? I struggle to see it.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,295
    rcs1000 said:

    I am going to create a list of PB's best irrationally over the top hatreds.

    @bigjohnowls and Starmer
    @Luckyguy1983 and Sunak
    @rcs1000 and Zac Goldsmith
    @HYUFD and Kamala Harris

    @Leon and Liz Truss
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,219
    Chris said:

    I reckon these hypothetical polls are likely to be even more misleading than hypothetical polls in general.

    I think as presumptive nominee, Biden would get the full benefit of anti-Trump sentiment, in a way that hypothetical alternatives wouldn't. Let's see some polls where it's a definite choice between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump.
    Plus Kamala will be the news story, not Donald's ear.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,624
    kle4 said:

    What's so bad about Kamala? The worst accsuation I can recall against her is essentially being a bit crap, which as far as some of the choices go could be a lot worse even though it is not exactly inspirting.
    My Texan students suggested that her role a# a prosecutor, prosecuting black people as a person of colour does not enhance her reputation among black voters.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,024
    rcs1000 said:

    I am going to create a list of PB's best irrationally over the top hatreds.

    @bigjohnowls and Starmer
    @Luckyguy1983 and Sunak
    @rcs1000 and Zac Goldsmith
    @HYUFD and Kamala Harris

    I don't hate Harris, she is clearly an intelligent woman and an able lawyer but I just think she is unelectable in Middle America
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,447
    If they play their cards right the momentum for Karmala Harris could be unstoppable. Very much down to the zeitgeist. One thing which has gone unnoticed is how bad Trump has looked lately. Particularly at his convention. Again if the cards fall kindly Harris should become an easier sell than Trump.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,272
    edited July 2024
    Can I ask Casino why he has given me a "troll" for a perfectly reasonable comment on the last thread? TSE has mentioned before that the troll button is not simply an opportunity to dismiss posts one disagrees with.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,554
    HYUFD said:

    She is a liberal coastal elitist who is pro reparations for slavery and pro transgender bathrooms, she may be the dream candidate for woke rich California liberals like the Duchess of Sussex but she is not for Middle America.

    Indeed she would have been better off endorsing Shapiro or Buttigieg in the hope of a SC nomination if they win (she is a capable lawyer granted) but she is not an effective campaigner and has no charisma
    She was on the ticket with Biden so has at least some arguable democratic endorsement, and if not the chosen option they would be totally split and ruined, I don't see they had much choice.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,770

    They certainly did get it wrong, they missed out the apostrophe in it's.

    Seriously though, who are all these mythical PBers? I haven't anyone posting in the past year that there was nothing wrong with Biden.
    Anyone who mentioned his “stammer” in the past 12-18 months as a way of excuse. They know who they are
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,515
    Leon said:

    Another truly dire dinner in France. It is exceptional how often they now fuck up. Frozen food with a drizzle of balsamic vinegar around the plate to fake its freshness

    Utterly awful. It’s down at the level of Dutch food now. Without the herrings

    Perhaps they give the crap food to British tourists and save the better stuff for locals.

    You need to tell them who you are.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,353
    As an aside, I'm fairly sure that someone on PB posted that Biden was going to have a talk with his family, friends and associates this weekend and possibly resign. Can anyone remember the post and poster?
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 982
    Leon said:

    Can all the PB….

    “Its just a stammer”

    ….guys not take a second to step back and say, even if only for a moment? -

    OK I GOT THAT HORRIBLY WRONG

    Thanks. Asking for all the sane people on PB

    Why did people claim until the end it was just a stutter/stammer? Political bias?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,094
    Omnium said:

    I'm sure it'll be great, and I hope you have a great break. I'm sure you'll find reasons to not choose Trump in the future though.
    Hope the weather picks up it has been crap so far this year, beautiful area though and Turnberry is superb.
    Maidens is nearby and Wildings is a great restaurant though may need booking.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,554
    Roger said:

    If they play their cards right the momentum for Karmala Harris could be unstoppable. Very much down to the zeitgeist. One thing which has gone unnoticed is how bad Trump has looked lately. Particularly at his convention. Again if the cards fall kindly Harris should become an easier sell than Trump.

    I wish I had your optimism. But it is true Trump has not looked physically or verbally well for some time. He's been under a lot of pressure himself, even if his legal cases (bar one) have gone exactly as he would have liked in the last few months.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,690

    ...

    Have you considered the Women's vote, have you considered Kamala 's ethnicity and that Trump is going to appear utterly bonkers when debating Kamala.There might also be a sympathy vote for the Dems in respect of Biden's capitulation. Don't forget "Crooked Joe" ( and only Trump believes he is crooked) has gone for the good of country and party, and although Trump now believes he is probably Jesus having survived an assassination attempt, he is not.

    You may be right of course, but I don't believe you have considered anything other than hypothetical polling and made some bizarre extrapolation from Nixon/ McGovern.
    Also, the ‘assassination attempt’ narrative is beginning to develop holes.

    The “they tried to kill me” thing has now probably turned out to be just another sad loner trying to make himself famous by killing people.
    Not much different from the school shooters that decades of Republican pro gun policy has enabled.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,219
    Nunu5 said:

    Why did people claim until the end it was just a stutter/stammer? Political bias?
    I don't think they did.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,196

    So if Pete is on the ticket - the job is a good 'un.

    Bizarrely Trump retains a decent base plus a big number of independents. I am not sure he is as popular as you claim or Kamala is as reviled as you suggest.
    45% will vote for Trump. 45% will vote against Trump.

    It’s the 10% left, especially in the swing states.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,302
    Kamala at least looks like she can do the job for 4 years.

    She stands in great contrast to Trump. She can articulate the choice so much better than Biden can. Whether it’s enough, it’s difficult to say at this stage. But she will run a much more vital and effective campaign than Biden would ever manage now, and for that reason alone the Democrats are at least back in the game.

    I agree she should choose someone like Shapiro for VP.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,370
    HYUFD said:

    Trump has charisma, Harris does not.

    Harris is the candidate of Hollywood, Silicon Valley and liberal lawyers as Hillary was, not the manufacturers and farmers and small business people Trump is (even Biden had more appeal to them as he showed in 2020)
    You do know she was an aggressive prosecutor, right?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,517

    I have Ossoff £4 @ 112.28 but you can currently get him at 200:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.190716127

    Whereas Newsome is 20, Harris is 22, Michelle is 25 and Clinton is 40 if you want to waste money.
    Ossof. Hmm. interesting. Brings Georgia into the play.

    I like. :+1:
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,295

    If you took that comment personally I would like to apologise as I have no intention to offend anyone over the distressing nature of dementia and those loved ones who have witnessed it first hand in all its emotional elements
    Don't let it worry you Big_G, we all know you didn't mean it that way.

    I suspect we've all had experience of loved ones with dementia, which I am sure you understand.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,219

    My Texan students suggested that her role a# a prosecutor, prosecuting black people as a person of colour does not enhance her reputation among black voters.
    She polls better than Biden with black voters in swing states, albeit not so well as Obama.
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 982
    The thing with picking Andy Beshear is he might end up looking better than Harris! With questions of why he isn't the nominee?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,370

    I would add Orlov to the list.

    A real match for Putin in Eastern Europe.
    General Orlov?

    https://youtu.be/x99njmZxaMA?si=3i8mRxtUE46hCgho
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 982

    Ossof. Hmm. interesting. Brings Georgia into the play.

    I like. :+1:
    I think there's is a very good chance he is the VP pick
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,515
    rcs1000 said:

    I am going to create a list of PB's best irrationally over the top hatreds.

    @bigjohnowls and Starmer
    @Luckyguy1983 and Sunak
    @rcs1000 and Zac Goldsmith
    @HYUFD and Kamala Harris

    All time record:

    tim and George Osborne

    Incredibly it must be about ten years since tim left.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,554

    My Texan students suggested that her role a# a prosecutor, prosecuting black people as a person of colour does not enhance her reputation among black voters.
    I recall something about her prosecution record coming up when she ran for the job in 2020, though perhaps more on the line that she was too tough for the more wokish liberals, as would be expected from a prosecutor.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,447
    Nigelb said:

    He is now the oldest nominee in US history.

    The geriatric buffoon.
    You missed out 'criminal'
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,295

    Kamala at least looks like she can do the job for 4 years.

    She stands in great contrast to Trump. She can articulate the choice so much better than Biden can. Whether it’s enough, it’s difficult to say at this stage. But she will run a much more vital and effective campaign than Biden would ever manage now, and for that reason alone the Democrats are at least back in the game.

    I agree she should choose someone like Shapiro for VP.

    My guess is Trump drifts to about a 50-55% chance soon-ish, maybe around 1.9 on Betfair, and then Kamala shortens.

    That will be the time to top up on Trump.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Leon predicted this first I believe. Right again.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,517

    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    26m
    106 days. Yes We Can.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 845
    Leon said:

    Can all the PB….

    “Its just a stammer”

    ….guys not take a second to step back and say, even if only for a moment? -

    OK I GOT THAT HORRIBLY WRONG

    Thanks. Asking for all the sane people on PB

    Maybe you ought to apologise for insisting he has dementia one minute and and then saying he is responsible for the Trump shooting the next. You have no evidence for either
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    My Texan students suggested that her role a# a prosecutor, prosecuting black people as a person of colour does not enhance her reputation among black voters.
    The vast majority of black Americans are not college educated and don't have much truck with progressive identity politics groups. Generally they think there is too much crime in their neighborhoods and quite like them being put behind bars.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,272

    Striking that no other big names seem to have said anything in support of Harris yet.

    You are being very silly this evening!
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,011

    @Leon and Liz Truss
    You've missed me out re Gordon Brown
  • EScrymgeourEScrymgeour Posts: 141
    rcs1000 said:

    I would add Ossoff to the list.
    Mark Kelly? American hero and has beat Republicans against the odds. Also Gabby Giffords husband.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,295

    Can I ask Casino why he has given me a "troll" for a perfectly reasonable comment on the last thread? TSE has mentioned before that the troll button is not simply an opportunity to dismiss posts one disagrees with.

    Because you were trolling, and that's what the button is for.

    Parents paying for independent schools are already making the sacrifices you describe, including ourselves, and your bunch of charlatans turning the thumbscrews will force them out entirely.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    Roger said:

    You missed out 'criminal'
    Convicted criminal, conspiracy theorist, rapist, fraudster, insurrectionist.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,517
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon predicted this first I believe. Right again.

    He predicted Biden was passed it. Not sure about Harris.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,018

    Don't let it worry you Big_G, we all know you didn't mean it that way.

    I suspect we've all had experience of loved ones with dementia, which I am sure you understand.
    I do and it can be very cruel to watch a loved one deteriorate with dementia and the feeling of utter helplessness
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277

    My Texan students suggested that her role a# a prosecutor, prosecuting black people as a person of colour does not enhance her reputation among black voters.
    She was a prosecutor . It’s hardly a shock that she’d end up prosecuting some black people.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,295

    @TheBritishElectorate and Liz Truss
    Lol yes, I read RCS's post the wrong way round, doh!
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,783
    I reckon Trump may struggle with Kamala. He'll probably avoid playing the race card, but he'll be too tempted to reach for lazy misogynist tropes to use against her, which may well backfire.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Trump is lying through his teeth when he says he prefers to face Harris compared to Biden.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,619

    Can I ask Casino why he has given me a "troll" for a perfectly reasonable comment on the last thread? TSE has mentioned before that the troll button is not simply an opportunity to dismiss posts one disagrees with.

    Message him directly, he may not see this ?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,825
    https://apnews.com/article/biden-harris-election-2024-democrats-withdrawal-trump-c8b82fa105953e8f485c769580f7da49

    Under Democratic Party rules, Biden cannot transfer his pledged delegates to another candidate. With Biden stepping aside, Democrats will start with an open convention.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,297
    Good to see there's a presedential candidate you can fully get behind as being both mentally soundly for the job and hasn't discussed becoming a dictator for a 'temporary' period.

    I hope that, like France, enough Americans pull together to reject extremism, which is more severe in Trump's GOP than Le Pen's party.

    Unite behind Harris and take the attack to Trump.
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