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edited August 2024 in General
Biden withdraws from the 2024 White House race – politicalbetting.com

NEW: JOE BIDEN WILL NOT CONTEST THE 2024 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. https://t.co/I6odRCWIwb

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,067
    Benpointer said:

    Benpointer said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @lucyprebblish

    What if Biden keeps forgetting he’s agreed to step down

    Perhaps possible, that Joe Biden will not withdraw from 2024 POTUS race, until AFTER Bibi Netanyahu addresses joint session of Congress on Wednesday.
    Biden's exit is becoming the fusion power generation of politics - always just around the corner.
    I think I can fairly take the credit for this.
    Grrr, you will be on the naughty step if we end up Hillary Clinton, Michelle Obama, or Gavin Newsom as the Dem nominee or President next January.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Total Pelosi victory.

    image
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,809
    Harris 1.41
    Michelle 14
    Newsom 16
    Whitmer 16
    Hillary 17

    Very close if not Harris.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,417
    A month too late.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,765
    Benpointer said:

    Benpointer said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @lucyprebblish

    What if Biden keeps forgetting he’s agreed to step down

    Perhaps possible, that Joe Biden will not withdraw from 2024 POTUS race, until AFTER Bibi Netanyahu addresses joint session of Congress on Wednesday.
    Biden's exit is becoming the fusion power generation of politics - always just around the corner.
    I think I can fairly take the credit for this.
    No, I think he made the decision for himself.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,060
    Start rewatching the last season of The West Wing. First convention to actually choose a candidate in how long?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,627
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Benpointer said:

    Benpointer said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @lucyprebblish

    What if Biden keeps forgetting he’s agreed to step down

    Perhaps possible, that Joe Biden will not withdraw from 2024 POTUS race, until AFTER Bibi Netanyahu addresses joint session of Congress on Wednesday.
    Biden's exit is becoming the fusion power generation of politics - always just around the corner.
    I think I can fairly take the credit for this.
    Grrr, you will be on the naughty step if we end up Hillary Clinton, Michelle Obama, or Gavin Newsom as the Dem nominee or President next January.
    None of those - Whitmer, I reckon.

    (Clinton lol!)
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,813
    Trump is so stuffed.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,765
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Benpointer said:

    Benpointer said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @lucyprebblish

    What if Biden keeps forgetting he’s agreed to step down

    Perhaps possible, that Joe Biden will not withdraw from 2024 POTUS race, until AFTER Bibi Netanyahu addresses joint session of Congress on Wednesday.
    Biden's exit is becoming the fusion power generation of politics - always just around the corner.
    I think I can fairly take the credit for this.
    Grrr, you will be on the naughty step if we end up Hillary Clinton, Michelle Obama, or Gavin Newsom as the Dem nominee or President next January.
    I’d be very surprised.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,105
    Inevitable
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,894
    No stepping down from POTUS, no endorsement of Harris. "Over to you Pelosi you sort this shitshow out "
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,627
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    A month too late.

    I'm not sure. A month ago and Trump would've got the initiative back by surviving the assassination attempt. Now that's all going to be old news.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,023
    Thank goodness, at last. I think its too late for anyone but Harris. It would have been different if he had stood down last year but right now the Democrats need to get behind a single candidate really fast and it has to be someone who has to be already known. Too late for the governors or even Buttigieg although I would want him on the ticket. He is just too good to waste.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Clearly Joe Biden is NOT receiving spiritual-psephological guidance from The Vicar.

    Key to this decision was NOT likes of Barack Obama or Nancy Pelosi or etc. etc. etc.

    Instead, Jill Biden.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    Biden does the right thing and bows out with still a lot of love and respect from Dems .

  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,711
    MikeL said:

    Harris 1.41
    Michelle 14
    Newsom 16
    Whitmer 16
    Hillary 17

    Very close if not Harris.

    I believe Newsom has many many skeletons which will be dragged out by Trump and co and negate a lot of attacks on Trump. Whitmer would be sensible option but Harris has as close to incumbency as possible so she will be favourite.

    He’s not known as Gruesome Newsom for no reason. Michelle not interested and really would be taking one for the world if she steps up, and Hilary is toxic.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,511
    This is the best election ever

    One candidate has been shot and the other has pulled out before it's even started

    There's surely huge intrigue and interest to come

    The Dem nomination for starters..
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,788
    I'm not in this market :smile: .

    Anticipating the tears ... hopefully of Chump.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,409
    JESUS EFFING FLIP! I GO AWAY FOR A FEW HOURS (I did some DIY. It's a bit wobbly) AND THIS BLOODY HAPPENS. IT'S YOUR FAULT PB! BAD YOU!

    :smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile:
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,940
    Goodness me.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,409
    edited July 2024
    Malmesbury said:

    Start rewatching the last season of The West Wing. First convention to actually choose a candidate in how long?

    1968? (The Dems went on to lose. the winner in 1968 was Richard Nixon. So that's reassuring :) )
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,765
    Pulpstar said:

    No stepping down from POTUS, no endorsement of Harris. "Over to you Pelosi you sort this shitshow out "

    “I will speak to the nation later this week.”

    The VP market is very interesting.
    Is Shapiro really a shoe in ?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,209
    An un-presidented development.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,756
    Reasonable timing I think. If the Dems get this right they could be entering election time with a bit of a new leader honeymoon. But then again they may crash further.

    Come on Democrats. We need the next few months to be the American “deuxième tour”. Choose someone half decent. Choose Mayor Pete.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,592
    All I need for all my lays to come in is for the Dems to find someone who can beat Trump. Saving the civilised world at the same time would be a bonus.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,940
    Biden is cracking value at 1000
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,765
    BlancheLivermore said:

    This is the best election ever

    One candidate has been shot and the other has pulled out before it's even started

    There's surely huge intrigue and interest to come

    The Dem nomination for starters..

    Well it’s redeemed my very exposed book.
    If he’d stayed, it would have cost me.
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 988
    Nigelb said:

    Pulpstar said:

    No stepping down from POTUS, no endorsement of Harris. "Over to you Pelosi you sort this shitshow out "

    “I will speak to the nation later this week.”

    The VP market is very interesting.
    Is Shapiro really a shoe in ?
    No he isn't. He's quite to the right on abortion compared to the Dem base
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    Newsom is very slimy , Michelle doesn’t want to know , Hillary , no chance and Whitmer would be a great pick but I think it will be Harris .
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,409
    FUUUCK! FUUCK! FUUCK! All the model predictions are dead! This is really going to screw things up!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Nigelb said:

    Pulpstar said:

    No stepping down from POTUS, no endorsement of Harris. "Over to you Pelosi you sort this shitshow out "

    “I will speak to the nation later this week.”

    The VP market is very interesting.
    Is Shapiro really a shoe in ?
    The failure to endorse Harris shows that Pelosi has got her way on a contested convention, so that's moot.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,681
    nico679 said:

    Biden does the right thing and bows out with still a lot of love and respect from Dems .

    Ahahahaha
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,082
    Nigelb said:

    Pulpstar said:

    No stepping down from POTUS, no endorsement of Harris. "Over to you Pelosi you sort this shitshow out "

    “I will speak to the nation later this week.”

    The VP market is very interesting.
    Is Shapiro really a shoe in ?
    Shoo, but yes I'd like him.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,627
    viewcode said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Start rewatching the last season of The West Wing. First convention to actually choose a candidate in how long?

    1968? (The Dems went on to lose. the winner in 1968 was Richard Nixon. So that's reassuring)
    Jeez, did you have to do that? I was feeling quite cheered by Biden's announcement.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,700
    edited July 2024
    Well well well. PBers got it right again, more so than other places. We said on Friday night he'd be gone as candidate within 72 hours.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,592
    williamglenn said:

    Total Pelosi victory.

    image

    Is that the latest Tussauds set piece?
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,784
    Thank God.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,788
    edited July 2024
    More than 10 comments? Tim to go OT:
    WhisperingOracle said:

    Leon said:

    Today’s photo



    A rare example of very old being slightly enhanced - to my mind - by very new

    Where is this?
    Looks interesting.
    There's a lot of recent architecture around Cathedrals - what do we think are good (and "good") examples?
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 988
    Pelosi is still a master strategist.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,368
    At least the Dems now have a chance in November :lol:
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,085
    A rare foray onto this forum. I hope everyone is well. I think particularly of my friends @Big_G_NorthWales and @OldKingCole and respective spouses.

    3.5 years ago I placed a bet on an outsider Democrat to be the 2024 nominee and winner. Nice odds ;)

    I’m not going to say who because I don’t want to jinx things but even now there are some stunning odds on various candidates if you move fast.

    A lot depends on whether you think Kamala is a shoo-in for the nomination.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,813
    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    Biden does the right thing and bows out with still a lot of love and respect from Dems .

    Ahahahaha
    Your betting form isn't great, but you did call this from a long way out.
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 988
    viewcode said:

    FUUUCK! FUUCK! FUUCK! All the model predictions are dead! This is really going to screw things up!

    Are they? The polls seem quite sticky despite many big twists and turnsm
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    boulay said:

    MikeL said:

    Harris 1.41
    Michelle 14
    Newsom 16
    Whitmer 16
    Hillary 17

    Very close if not Harris.

    I believe Newsom has many many skeletons which will be dragged out by Trump and co and negate a lot of attacks on Trump. Whitmer would be sensible option but Harris has as close to incumbency as possible so she will be favourite.

    He’s not known as Gruesome Newsom for no reason. Michelle not interested and really would be taking one for the world if she steps up, and Hilary is toxic.
    Agree with most of above, though just how "gruesome" is Newsom is highly debatable, my guess is WAY less than you think.

    As for Gretchen Whitmer, reckon she's make a VERY good Vice Presidential nominee. Past denials of interest not worth much AFTER the Biden announcement.

    Josh Shapiro also in the frame, and is also attractive prospect IMHO.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,445
    Yes!! My book is transformed and so are the prospects of stopping Donald Trump.

    As per 26th May 1989 ... (sorry TSE)

    "It's up for grabs now".
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,085
    But clear from that letter that he won't resign immediately as president in favour of Harris, as speculated previously.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Nunu5 said:

    viewcode said:

    FUUUCK! FUUCK! FUUCK! All the model predictions are dead! This is really going to screw things up!

    Are they? The polls seem quite sticky despite many big twists and turnsm
    Polling done PRIOR to today's announcement are far LESS significant, than polling done AFTER.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,700
    Commiserations to those whose betting books have been adversely affected by this decision. (Genuinely, not being sarcastic).
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 988
    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    Biden does the right thing and bows out with still a lot of love and respect from Dems .

    Ahahahaha
    You support Harris over Trump if she is the nominee now, yes?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Nunu5 said:

    Pelosi is still a master strategist.

    Giving her WAY to much credit (or blame depending on viewpoint) methinks.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,209
    He should have made this announcement at his inauguration.

    Better late than never.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,085
    edited July 2024
    BlancheLivermore said:

    This is the best election ever

    One candidate has been shot and the other has pulled out before it's even started

    There's surely huge intrigue and interest to come

    The Dem nomination for starters..

    Imagine, for a moment, if neither Trump nor Biden had made it to the vote. We were within six inches.

    Just a reminder too that Trump is no spring chicken. Trump will be older than Biden is now by the end of term in January 2029

    If the Dems are sensible they might well show up his age to their advantage.

    But are they sensible?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,747
    He did it too late, but now there is a chance for the Democrats.

    Fascinatingly, he has not endorsed or hinted at an alternative candidate. I assumed he would tell his delegates to back Harris. If he does not - wow; it could be a rollercoaster few weeks.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,700
    edited July 2024
    BIDEN ENDORSES HARRIS


    "Joe Biden
    @JoeBiden

    My fellow Democrats, I have decided not to accept the nomination and to focus all my energies on my duties as President for the remainder of my term. My very first decision as the party nominee in 2020 was to pick Kamala Harris as my Vice President. And it’s been the best decision I’ve made. Today I want to offer my full support and endorsement for Kamala to be the nominee of our party this year. Democrats — it’s time to come together and beat Trump. Let’s do this."

    https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1815087772216303933
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 988
    It think Sen. Manchin calling on him to step down was the final straw.
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 4,967
    Biden has endorsed Kamala.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,784
    viewcode said:

    JESUS EFFING FLIP! I GO AWAY FOR A FEW HOURS (I did some DIY. It's a bit wobbly) AND THIS BLOODY HAPPENS. IT'S YOUR FAULT PB! BAD YOU!

    :smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile:

    It's TSE.

    He's been behind every world crisis since he started editing the Site.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,185
    Sighs of relief in Kyiv, I'm sure
    Moscow not so chipper
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,120
    I'm in the money!!! Ker-fucking-chin!!!!!


  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 988

    Joe Biden
    @JoeBiden
    My fellow Democrats, I have decided not to accept the nomination and to focus all my energies on my duties as President for the remainder of my term. My very first decision as the party nominee in 2020 was to pick Kamala Harris as my Vice President. And it’s been the best decision I’ve made. Today I want to offer my full support and endorsement for Kamala to be the nominee of our party this year. Democrats — it’s time to come together and beat Trump. Let’s do this.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,711
    edited July 2024
    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    boulay said:

    MikeL said:

    Harris 1.41
    Michelle 14
    Newsom 16
    Whitmer 16
    Hillary 17

    Very close if not Harris.

    I believe Newsom has many many skeletons which will be dragged out by Trump and co and negate a lot of attacks on Trump. Whitmer would be sensible option but Harris has as close to incumbency as possible so she will be favourite.

    He’s not known as Gruesome Newsom for no reason. Michelle not interested and really would be taking one for the world if she steps up, and Hilary is toxic.
    Agree with most of above, though just how "gruesome" is Newsom is highly debatable, my guess is WAY less than you think.

    As for Gretchen Whitmer, reckon she's make a VERY good Vice Presidential nominee. Past denials of interest not worth much AFTER the Biden announcement.

    Josh Shapiro also in the frame, and is also attractive prospect IMHO.
    I understand Newsom has had a lively past which I personally wouldn’t care about but it’s something that could be weaponised against him if he is attacking Trump for being less than pure. The dems need competence mixed with being clean.

    Whoever it ends up being let’s just hope they have enough to save us from Trump.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,747
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Biden has endorsed Kamala.

    Well, my post was a minute too early haha!

    Harris v Trump will be a fascinating contest.
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 4,967
    Kamala surely odds on to win the election now.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    boulay said:

    MikeL said:

    Harris 1.41
    Michelle 14
    Newsom 16
    Whitmer 16
    Hillary 17

    Very close if not Harris.

    I believe Newsom has many many skeletons which will be dragged out by Trump and co and negate a lot of attacks on Trump. Whitmer would be sensible option but Harris has as close to incumbency as possible so she will be favourite.

    He’s not known as Gruesome Newsom for no reason. Michelle not interested and really would be taking one for the world if she steps up, and Hilary is toxic.
    Agree with most of above, though just how "gruesome" is Newsom is highly debatable, my guess is WAY less than you think.

    As for Gretchen Whitmer, reckon she's make a VERY good Vice Presidential nominee. Past denials of interest not worth much AFTER the Biden announcement.

    Josh Shapiro also in the frame, and is also attractive prospect IMHO.
    I don’t think Whitmer wants to be a VP and I doubt you’d get a joint woman ticket if Harris wins the nomination . Shapiro is great, a fantastic speaker.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,681
    Casino_Royale said:

    Who says debates don't matter, folks?

    Yes. June 2024 was probably the most consequential TV debate in all political history. It CHANGED history

    And I’m sure @Roger told us “oh it’s just a debate they’re always forgotten”
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,067
    Updated the thread header with this.

    My fellow Democrats, I have decided not to accept the nomination and to focus all my energies on my duties as President for the remainder of my term. My very first decision as the party nominee in 2020 was to pick Kamala Harris as my Vice President. And it’s been the best decision I’ve made. Today I want to offer my full support and endorsement for Kamala to be the nominee of our party this year. Democrats — it’s time to come together and beat Trump. Let’s do this.

    https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1815087772216303933
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,185
    Heathener said:

    BlancheLivermore said:

    This is the best election ever

    One candidate has been shot and the other has pulled out before it's even started

    There's surely huge intrigue and interest to come

    The Dem nomination for starters..

    Imagine, for a moment, if neither Trump nor Biden had made it to the vote. We were within six inches.

    Just a reminder too that Trump is no spring chicken. Trump will be older than Biden is now by the end of term in January 2029

    If the Dems are sensible they might well show up his age to their advantage.

    But are they sensible?
    Six millimeters more like

  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Somewhat surprised Biden as endorsed Harris, but not what you'd call shocked.

    Essentially he's released his super-majority of 2024 Democratic National Convention delegates to her. Which in addition to other factors will likely be persuasive to most if hardly all.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,809
    Biden endorsement takes Harris from 1.4 to 1.2.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,747
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Kamala surely odds on to win the election now.

    Nowhere near. But she stands a better chance than Biden, so it’s the right decision.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,700
    Democrat nominee

    Harris 1.24
    Newsom 29
    H Clinton 38
    Whitmer 40
    M Obama 40

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.178163685
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,681
    Nunu5 said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    Biden does the right thing and bows out with still a lot of love and respect from Dems .

    Ahahahaha
    You support Harris over Trump if she is the nominee now, yes?
    With the most enormous reluctance - an infinite mega-tonnage of reluctance - yes

    I’d far far prefer a sane anti woke Republican. I’d vote for Vance in a heartbeat. But Trump? No
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Kamala surely odds on to win the election now.

    Others may yet throw their hats in the ring. I’m not sure she has it sewn up.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,085
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Updated the thread header with this.

    My fellow Democrats, I have decided not to accept the nomination and to focus all my energies on my duties as President for the remainder of my term. My very first decision as the party nominee in 2020 was to pick Kamala Harris as my Vice President. And it’s been the best decision I’ve made. Today I want to offer my full support and endorsement for Kamala to be the nominee of our party this year. Democrats — it’s time to come together and beat Trump. Let’s do this.

    https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1815087772216303933

    I reckon that's a wise decision, because it means the spotlight will turn almost immediately on to Trump - and Vance - without the distraction of more speculation about divisions among the Democrats.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,120
    Now totally green on the market.

    Wow!!!

    Huge times.

    Is TSE on holiday?

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,067
    edited July 2024
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    viewcode said:

    JESUS EFFING FLIP! I GO AWAY FOR A FEW HOURS (I did some DIY. It's a bit wobbly) AND THIS BLOODY HAPPENS. IT'S YOUR FAULT PB! BAD YOU!

    :smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile:

    It's TSE.

    He's been behind every world crisis since he started editing the Site.
    I am absolutely knackered.

    A public service announcement.

    I am taking a holiday from the 16th of August through to the 26th of August.

    Edit also a holiday from the 25th of September through to 6th of October.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,602
    geoffw said:

    Heathener said:

    BlancheLivermore said:

    This is the best election ever

    One candidate has been shot and the other has pulled out before it's even started

    There's surely huge intrigue and interest to come

    The Dem nomination for starters..

    Imagine, for a moment, if neither Trump nor Biden had made it to the vote. We were within six inches.

    Just a reminder too that Trump is no spring chicken. Trump will be older than Biden is now by the end of term in January 2029

    If the Dems are sensible they might well show up his age to their advantage.

    But are they sensible?
    Six millimeters more like

    You're forgetting the six inches of solid bone between his ear and his brain.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    Somewhat surprised Biden as endorsed Harris, but not what you'd call shocked.

    Essentially he's released his super-majority of 2024 Democratic National Convention delegates to her. Which in addition to other factors will likely be persuasive to most if hardly all.

    Doesn’t she get his donations as she was on the original ticket . That helps of course .
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,700
    Election winner

    Trump 1.62
    Harris 3.4
    M Obama 42
    Newsom 48
    Whitmer 95

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.176878927
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,813
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    viewcode said:

    JESUS EFFING FLIP! I GO AWAY FOR A FEW HOURS (I did some DIY. It's a bit wobbly) AND THIS BLOODY HAPPENS. IT'S YOUR FAULT PB! BAD YOU!

    :smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile:

    It's TSE.

    He's been behind every world crisis since he started editing the Site.
    I am absolutely knackered.

    A public service announcement.

    I am taking a holiday from the 16th of August through to the 26th of August.
    Is Clacton what it was though?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,240
    Game, set and match Trump if the Democrats endorse Harris after Biden's withdrawal and follow his mistaken recommendation.

    Harris would lose all the rustbelt swing states Biden won in 2020 and probably lead the Democrats to their worst defeat in the Electoral College since Dukakis as well as losing the popular vote.

    Newsom would be just as bad, Democrats only hope now a rustbelt governor like Shapiro or Buttigieg
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,293
    Heathener said:

    A rare foray onto this forum. I hope everyone is well. I think particularly of my friends @Big_G_NorthWales and @OldKingCole and respective spouses.

    3.5 years ago I placed a bet on an outsider Democrat to be the 2024 nominee and winner. Nice odds ;)

    I’m not going to say who because I don’t want to jinx things but even now there are some stunning odds on various candidates if you move fast.

    A lot depends on whether you think Kamala is a shoo-in for the nomination.

    Thank you @Heathener and my wife and I are fortunate not to be experiencing dementia yet, but have a lot of experience of it in the family and with our peers

    We are pleased on a personal level for the Biden family the decision is made

    All the best to you
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 988
    Leon said:

    Nunu5 said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    Biden does the right thing and bows out with still a lot of love and respect from Dems .

    Ahahahaha
    You support Harris over Trump if she is the nominee now, yes?
    With the most enormous reluctance - an infinite mega-tonnage of reluctance - yes

    I’d far far prefer a sane anti woke Republican. I’d vote for Vance in a heartbeat. But Trump? No
    The Senate will probably go GOP anyway. She (if she's wins) will have a huge check on her power
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,067
    Omnium said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    viewcode said:

    JESUS EFFING FLIP! I GO AWAY FOR A FEW HOURS (I did some DIY. It's a bit wobbly) AND THIS BLOODY HAPPENS. IT'S YOUR FAULT PB! BAD YOU!

    :smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile:

    It's TSE.

    He's been behind every world crisis since he started editing the Site.
    I am absolutely knackered.

    A public service announcement.

    I am taking a holiday from the 16th of August through to the 26th of August.
    Is Clacton what it was though?
    Actually I am going to Trump's hotel in Scotland for the first part of the August holiday.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,409
    Nunu5 said:

    viewcode said:

    FUUUCK! FUUCK! FUUCK! All the model predictions are dead! This is really going to screw things up!

    Are they? The polls seem quite sticky despite many big twists and turnsm
    I meant the models. There are a pile of American political scientists that produce models and each election year they produce predictions which can then be measured. See https://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/ or Sabato's Crystal Ball. Some use polls, some use econometrics some use keys or Primary votes.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,700
    HYUFD said:

    Game, set and match Trump if the Democrats endorse Harris after Biden's withdrawal and follow his mistaken recommendation.

    Harris would lose all the rustbelt swing states Biden won in 2020 and probably lead the Democrats to their worst defeat in the Electoral College since Dukakis as well as losing the popular vote.

    Newsom would be just as bad, Democrats only hope now a rustbelt governor like Shapiro or Buttigieg

    I think you're making too many assumptions too quickly.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,711
    …
    ydoethur said:

    geoffw said:

    Heathener said:

    BlancheLivermore said:

    This is the best election ever

    One candidate has been shot and the other has pulled out before it's even started

    There's surely huge intrigue and interest to come

    The Dem nomination for starters..

    Imagine, for a moment, if neither Trump nor Biden had made it to the vote. We were within six inches.

    Just a reminder too that Trump is no spring chicken. Trump will be older than Biden is now by the end of term in January 2029

    If the Dems are sensible they might well show up his age to their advantage.

    But are they sensible?
    Six millimeters more like

    You're forgetting the six inches of solid bone between his ear and his brain.
    Trump wishes he had six inches of solid bone.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,784
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    viewcode said:

    JESUS EFFING FLIP! I GO AWAY FOR A FEW HOURS (I did some DIY. It's a bit wobbly) AND THIS BLOODY HAPPENS. IT'S YOUR FAULT PB! BAD YOU!

    :smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile:

    It's TSE.

    He's been behind every world crisis since he started editing the Site.
    I am absolutely knackered.

    A public service announcement.

    I am taking a holiday from the 16th of August through to the 26th of August.

    Edit also a holiday from the 25th of September through to 6th of October.
    Thanks TSE. I will liquidate my share portfolio accordingly.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,769
    edited July 2024
    Biden has endorsed Kamala Harris according to The Guardian.

    Biden’s Twitter:

    https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1815087772216303933
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,020
    williamglenn said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Kamala surely odds on to win the election now.

    Others may yet throw their hats in the ring. I’m not sure she has it sewn up.
    The first opinion polls will be crucial. I guess they have already done some, but it’s not quite the same when it’s hypothetical (okay, it’s still hypothetical but it’s got to be someone else now so might focus the mind more).

  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,185
    ydoethur said:

    geoffw said:

    Heathener said:

    BlancheLivermore said:

    This is the best election ever

    One candidate has been shot and the other has pulled out before it's even started

    There's surely huge intrigue and interest to come

    The Dem nomination for starters..

    Imagine, for a moment, if neither Trump nor Biden had made it to the vote. We were within six inches.

    Just a reminder too that Trump is no spring chicken. Trump will be older than Biden is now by the end of term in January 2029

    If the Dems are sensible they might well show up his age to their advantage.

    But are they sensible?
    Six millimeters more like

    You're forgetting the six inches of solid bone between his ear and his brain.
    Very funny. We were within a hair's breadth of turmoil

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,409
    Andy_JS said:

    BIDEN ENDORSES HARRIS


    "Joe Biden
    @JoeBiden

    My fellow Democrats, I have decided not to accept the nomination and to focus all my energies on my duties as President for the remainder of my term. My very first decision as the party nominee in 2020 was to pick Kamala Harris as my Vice President. And it’s been the best decision I’ve made. Today I want to offer my full support and endorsement for Kamala to be the nominee of our party this year. Democrats — it’s time to come together and beat Trump. Let’s do this."

    https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1815087772216303933

    FUCK YEAH! GO KAMALA! BEAT HIS [REDACTED] BOTTOM!
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    Leon said:

    Nunu5 said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    Biden does the right thing and bows out with still a lot of love and respect from Dems .

    Ahahahaha
    You support Harris over Trump if she is the nominee now, yes?
    With the most enormous reluctance - an infinite mega-tonnage of reluctance - yes

    I’d far far prefer a sane anti woke Republican. I’d vote for Vance in a heartbeat. But Trump? No
    Vance is more dangerous than Trump. He would sell out Ukraine in a second and systematically degrade democracy in the US. The sane, anti-woke Republicans are people like Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney, who have been purged from the party. The lunatics are in charge of that asylum now.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,049
    edited July 2024
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Kamala surely odds on to win the election now.

    No, Trump remains odds-on; Kamala 3.5 or 5/2 in old money. For one thing, Trump definitely is the GOP nominee, and even with Biden's endorsement, Harris is not yet certain.

    That said, many punters will not have seen the news.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    HYUFD said:

    Game, set and match Trump if the Democrats endorse Harris after Biden's withdrawal and follow his mistaken recommendation.

    Harris would lose all the rustbelt swing states Biden won in 2020 and probably lead the Democrats to their worst defeat in the Electoral College since Dukakis as well as losing the popular vote.

    Newsom would be just as bad, Democrats only hope now a rustbelt governor like Shapiro or Buttigieg

    Harris is a prosecutor that represents law and order against the convicted criminal leading the Republicans.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,067
    Stereodog said:

    I think this is the right decision but it makes me feel unaccountably sad. I think Biden is an enormously decent man and his presidency has been a great success. when he was campaigning in 2020 I was always impressed by his decency and empathy. It's sad it has to end like this.

    If the Dems do win the White House in November then Biden will go down as one of the truly great Presidents.

    Defeated Trump then stood aside to help defeat Trump.
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