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  • ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Game, set and match Trump if the Democrats endorse Harris after Biden's withdrawal and follow his mistaken recommendation.

    Nurse! I’ve found him! He’s here.
    I don’t think that Harris can win.
    She can, but it is a difficult path. She has to energise and get out the female vote, and the young vote.

    A good Veep choice too. A balancing ticket from a Mid-West state probably.
    I think she'll go for the Governor of Kentucky, Andy Beshear.
    He would be by far the best choice - if he's willing. He may not be.
    I think he would be. If he wins, he's in a very good position in 2032 (when he'll be in his mid-50s). If he loses but goes down swinging, he's reasonably well placed for 2028.
    If he is ambitious for the Presidency, yes.

    The thing is, I'm not sure he is. He genuinely does seem to be more focussed on Kentucky and not especially interested in national politics. And I know they all *say* that but he acts as though he means it. Unlike, say, Newsom or Cuomo.
    There are two types of politician - those who are good at disguising their ambition and those who aren't. The third type, the ones that just aren't ambitious, don't really exist.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826

    Actually, a great number of people saying that Harris is doomed here today, were the same people that were projecting a decade of Johnson in 2021 and 2022.

    I am not making a prediction - but politics is febrile and unpredictable.

    Trump remains the favourite. But he is no longer the shoo-in he was 24 hours ago. The race becomes about him again, rather than Biden. And there was a lot said at the GOP Convention last week that will concern Independents in the US - women especially.

    But why is he the favourite? Is Harris actually much more popular than Biden, a man who was struggling to stick two sentences together. Surely a half decent Democrat ought to win this? It could be people are underestimating Harris and she surprises on the upside. I know very little about her. But I can't ignore the fact that Trump remains a strong favourite. Why let a VP walk into the nomination if that is the case?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 495
    kle4 said:

    KnightOut said:

    kle4 said:

    there's a resurgent Trump with a fully united GOP behind him

    I get that this is indeed the case. But Why? How? Why? Why?

    I've spent a fair amount of time in the US over the past 25 years, and am broadly a GOP supporter, but were I a voter there, I really don't think I could bring myself to vote for Trump, and many Republicans I know (generally of the more intellectual, government-sceptic libertarian ilk) are equally disillusioned with him and the whole MAGA populism thing.

    There must still be a fair few on the American Right for whom this 'united GOP' is a massive disappointment, no?

    In the absence of a Jorgensen-type option, I'd be seriously considering voting Kamala. And I'm really not a fan of hers either.
    How he has managed to so fully capture the GOP, root and branch, is quite remarkable. Crass, ignorant, and most of those who worked for his administration criticising his ability, even after losing last time and rejecting the result a political culture which has not traditionally had single, unquestioned leaders to their parties never moved away from him for an instant.

    How did a once independent political entity become so fervently behind one man, to the point even his family members are massively influential?
    Out of the TV celebrity notoriety, there was an interview pre-2016 with a senior GOP campaigner for another candidate. He said that it's pointless, we can spend hours trying to get our candidate on local TV/radio before their campaign visits a town, Trump's people ring up and he's live on air in minutes.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,809
    boulay said:

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    Try horseradish instead of Dijon. Horseradish with certain fish is magnificent. Perfect with mackerel, new potatoes and beetroot weirdly.
    Don't think it is weird. The new potatoes/beetroot (ideally pickled)/fish combination works also with pickled herring, and mustard sauce is also a known accompaniment for mackerel.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    Mayonnaise.

    We're not American.
    HOWEVER seems you are anti-Hibernian

    Kindly do NOT diss County Mayo - the birthplace of Mayonnaise! (See my upchucking YouTube channel.)

    And ignore the fake news re: Froggish origin, they stole the recipe from us Micks!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,163
    Harris is officially running.

    Newsom and Whitmer aren't going to according to CBS. Looks like it's all she wrote tbh
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,605
    Historian Jon Meacham on @MSNBC says @JoeBiden dropping out of race will never be the worst day of his life.

    Biden lost his wife and daughter in a car accident in 1972, and lost his son Beau to brain cancer in 2015


    https://x.com/scottwongDC/status/1815095977201795153
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,775
    boulay said:

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    Try horseradish instead of Dijon. Horseradish with certain fish is magnificent. Perfect with mackerel, new potatoes and beetroot weirdly.
    I am quite fond of this stuff :

    https://bonsan.co.uk/products/bonsan-organic-beetroot-horseradish-spread/

    "Bonsan vibrant red Beetroot & Horseradish spread really packs a punch. Made from earthy beetroots, fiery horseradish and sunflower seeds this healthy spread is the perfect accompaniment spread onto toast or in sandwiches, or even used as a dip for crudités."
  • DoubleCarpetDoubleCarpet Posts: 888
    Ok so correct me if I'm wrong - wasn't the last major party nominee who didn't run in any primaries Humphrey in 1968?

    Are we expecting that team Biden will attempt to corral all the Biden-pledged delegates behind Harris?

    Are we expecting anyone else to declare?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,401

    People said Keir Starmer could never win.

    Did they?

    I think we all thought he'd win, we just didn't think it'd be built on much and the debate was on how long.

    However, given the ongoing shitshow in The Conservative Party I may have to revise my view that he might only last one term.
    Virtually nobody here said he would win in 2021. I recall many - don't know if you did - saying he should resign.

    I am just saying a lot of these people are now saying Harris won't win.
    Well, firstly, the two events are entirely disconnected in every single way but I don't remember any saying he should in 2021 except @bigjohnowls - he was mocked for losing Hartlepool, and it was speculated his leadership project might fail, but it didn't go much beyond that.

    Over the next few months what this site needs to remember is just because it might want Kamala Harris to win, and share things that encourage that as it tries to boost morale, this is a betting site first and foremost and we need all the facts and points of view to properly assess it.

    It could change a lot, not much, or not at all.
  • ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Game, set and match Trump if the Democrats endorse Harris after Biden's withdrawal and follow his mistaken recommendation.

    Nurse! I’ve found him! He’s here.
    I don’t think that Harris can win.
    She can, but it is a difficult path. She has to energise and get out the female vote, and the young vote.

    A good Veep choice too. A balancing ticket from a Mid-West state probably.
    I think she'll go for the Governor of Kentucky, Andy Beshear.
    He would be by far the best choice - if he's willing. He may not be.
    Why is Andy Beshear "by far the best choice"? I like the guy, but not thinking what you're thinking.
    Who would you pick, SSI? I mean in terms of electorally wisest rather than who you'd necessarily want as VP.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    Who cares, Barack Obama has tonight refused to endorse Harris
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,401

    Ok so correct me if I'm wrong - wasn't the last major party nominee who didn't run in any primaries Humphrey in 1968?

    Are we expecting that team Biden will attempt to corral all the Biden-pledged delegates behind Harris?

    Are we expecting anyone else to declare?

    I very much doubt it.

    It's possible the Betfair market is funny all the way to the convention anyway though.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,775
    Carnyx said:

    boulay said:

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    Try horseradish instead of Dijon. Horseradish with certain fish is magnificent. Perfect with mackerel, new potatoes and beetroot weirdly.
    Don't think it is weird. The new potatoes/beetroot (ideally pickled)/fish combination works also with pickled herring, and mustard sauce is also a known accompaniment for mackerel.
    See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labskaus
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,796
    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    American elections which specialise in the negative campaign must have every ad agency in the US queuing up. All the stuff that they couldn't use because of issues with their own candidate have disappeared into the ether.

    This should be a turkey shoot and hopefully a very funny one!

    This Kamala one from 2020 should give some idea of what to expect.

    https://x.com/harris_wins/status/1815093579078861256?t=DYcDr5leXRPMpogjNKzRHQ&s=19
    Punchy, but I don't remember her going over all that well outside California.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,768

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    Mayonnaise.

    We're not American.
    HOWEVER seems you are anti-Hibernian

    Kindly do NOT diss County Mayo - the birthplace of Mayonnaise! (See my upchucking YouTube channel.)

    And ignore the fake news re: Froggish origin, they stole the recipe from us Micks!
    I thought mayonnaise was from Mahon, Menorca (Catalan: Mao).
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 5,911

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    Mayonnaise.

    We're not American.
    The full and proper word always reminds me of Louis Gossett Jr in An Officer And A Gentleman
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,401
    Pulpstar said:

    Harris is officially running.

    Newsom and Whitmer aren't going to according to CBS. Looks like it's all she wrote tbh

    That should be it, since the Clintons have backed Harris.

    Presume the Obamas will come later/tomorrow.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    ABC / Ipsos US (Jul 19-20, 2024)

    Trump
    Favourable 40%
    Unfavourable 51%
    No opinion 7%
    DK 2%

    Harris
    Favourable 35%
    Unfavourable 46%
    No opinion 13%
    DK 5%
    https://x.com/keiranpedley/status/1815118157151088932
  • People said Keir Starmer could never win.

    Did they?

    I think we all thought he'd win, we just didn't think it'd be built on much and the debate was on how long.

    However, given the ongoing shitshow in The Conservative Party I may have to revise my view that he might only last one term.
    Virtually nobody here said he would win in 2021. I recall many - don't know if you did - saying he should resign.

    I am just saying a lot of these people are now saying Harris won't win.
    Well, firstly, the two events are entirely disconnected in every single way but I don't remember any saying he should in 2021 except @bigjohnowls - he was mocked for losing Hartlepool, and it was speculated his leadership project might fail, but it didn't go much beyond that.

    Over the next few months what this site needs to remember is just because it might want Kamala Harris to win, and share things that encourage that as it tries to boost morale, this is a betting site first and foremost and we need all the facts and points of view to properly assess it.

    It could change a lot, not much, or not at all.
    But what you are saying is precisely what I am saying. The people saying it's nailed on for Trump were the same people saying it was nailed on for SKS to never be PM.

    I am not making a prediction, it's just funny to see the people that so confidently got things wrong, confidently proclaim Trump will win.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    ...

    Can I ask Casino why he has given me a "troll" for a perfectly reasonable comment on the last thread? TSE has mentioned before that the troll button is not simply an opportunity to dismiss posts one disagrees with.

    Because you were trolling, and that's what the button is for.

    Parents paying for independent schools are already making the sacrifices you describe, including ourselves, and your bunch of charlatans turning the thumbscrews will force them out entirely.
    No I wasn't. I made a perfectly reasonable point based on what others have been advising people struggling to heat their homes or put food on their tables.

    You really are petty. If I "trolled" your posts that I disagreed with you would have a decent number of troll points. You have been posting here for almost twenty years and yet you still haven't got the hang of how site etiquette works.

    I would prefer you to remove the flag, but I doubt you are big enough so to do.
    I won't take an lectures from a man who's happy to mock and press a bruise that's personal to me and my family then.

    I've told you about this before. If you persist in doing it then you deserve everything you get. And then you have the temerity to insult me on top as well.

    Away with you.

    Prat.
    Well if you are so thin skinned you better give me another handful of flags.
    Like you when autism comes up?
    I would bet a pound to a bottletop that every single one of us is on the autism spectrum and further down it than we would care to admit.
    Yes, but if you say this @Mexicanpete totally loses his shit
    @Mexicansnowflake doesn't disagree with @MisterBedfordshire here.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    Who cares, Obama hasn't that is the big news tonight!
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 5,911
    boulay said:

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    Try horseradish instead of Dijon. Horseradish with certain fish is magnificent. Perfect with mackerel, new potatoes and beetroot weirdly.
    I buy fresh horseradish whenever they have it in Waitrose, then I buy smoked mackerel
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 3,647
    edited July 21
    Well incredibly despite all the expert advice (and the label: dry clean only), I've managed to save my suit from a wine stain by putting it on a cold cycle in the washing machine. It really was a last ditch effort as I had nothing to lose but maybe useful to anyone to try if you're going to chuck the suit out anyhow as I was.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Game, set and match Trump if the Democrats endorse Harris after Biden's withdrawal and follow his mistaken recommendation.

    Nurse! I’ve found him! He’s here.
    I don’t think that Harris can win.
    She can, but it is a difficult path. She has to energise and get out the female vote, and the young vote.

    A good Veep choice too. A balancing ticket from a Mid-West state probably.
    I think she'll go for the Governor of Kentucky, Andy Beshear.
    He would be by far the best choice - if he's willing. He may not be.
    Why is Andy Beshear "by far the best choice"? I like the guy, but not thinking what you're thinking.
    Who would you pick, SSI? I mean in terms of electorally wisest rather than who you'd necessarily want as VP.
    Gretchen Whitmer.

    Though many Democrats think a two-woman ticket is too risky, think we're already hurtling along without seat belts OR safety net.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615

    Pulpstar said:

    Harris is officially running.

    Newsom and Whitmer aren't going to according to CBS. Looks like it's all she wrote tbh

    That should be it, since the Clintons have backed Harris.

    Presume the Obamas will come later/tomorrow.
    Yes, within 48 hours or so, timed to regain the news initiative.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,401
    HYUFD said:

    Who cares, Barack Obama has tonight refused to endorse Harris
    Has he "refused" or has his statement just not been released yet?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,060
    HYUFD said:

    ABC / Ipsos US (Jul 19-20, 2024)

    Trump
    Favourable 40%
    Unfavourable 51%
    No opinion 7%
    DK 2%

    Harris
    Favourable 35%
    Unfavourable 46%
    No opinion 13%
    DK 5%
    https://x.com/keiranpedley/status/1815118157151088932

    Before, after. Things change.
  • HYUFD said:

    Who cares, Barack Obama has tonight refused to endorse Harris
    He's not "refused to endorse" Harris. He's stayed silent on successor for now. While there will be a bit of a fantasy for some that he's waiting on Michelle, it's more likely he'll be wheeled out dramatically at a campaign event in the
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    What about the ghost of Jeffrey Epstein?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874

    Pulpstar said:

    Harris is officially running.

    Newsom and Whitmer aren't going to according to CBS. Looks like it's all she wrote tbh

    That should be it, since the Clintons have backed Harris.

    Presume the Obamas will come later/tomorrow.
    Obama made clear tonight he wants an open convention and will not endorse a Harris coronation.
    https://barackobama.medium.com/my-statement-on-president-bidens-announcement-1eb78b3ba3fc

    Buttigieg also paid tribute to Biden but again refused to support Harris, Mayor Pete on manoeuvres?
    https://x.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1815091325772935356
  • How on Earth after being president, can anyone have a positive view of Trump. Mad.
  • HYUFD said:

    Who cares, Barack Obama has tonight refused to endorse Harris
    He's not "refused to endorse" Harris. He's stayed silent on successor for now. While there will be a bit of a fantasy for some that he's waiting on Michelle, it's more likely he'll be wheeled out dramatically at a campaign event in the
    ...next day or so.

    Sorry, premature posting. It's never happened to me before - I've been under a lot of stress.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,043
    HYUFD said:

    ABC / Ipsos US (Jul 19-20, 2024)

    Trump
    Favourable 40%
    Unfavourable 51%
    No opinion 7%
    DK 2%

    Harris
    Favourable 35%
    Unfavourable 46%
    No opinion 13%
    DK 5%
    https://x.com/keiranpedley/status/1815118157151088932

    Salome favourability score (-9%) as Trump, but with more don’t knows, so more potential to improve her position.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    edited July 21

    HYUFD said:

    Who cares, Barack Obama has tonight refused to endorse Harris
    He's not "refused to endorse" Harris. He's stayed silent on successor for now. While there will be a bit of a fantasy for some that he's waiting on Michelle, it's more likely he'll be wheeled out dramatically at a campaign event in the
    'He's stayed silent on successor for now' so in other words has refused to endorse Harris! Obama knows Harris is as unelectable as Hillary was v Trump, I suspect he is already in talks with Buttigieg if he runs about an endorsement if Michelle doesn't run.

    If Obama swings the black delegates behind Buttigieg that is Harris done
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,401
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    American elections which specialise in the negative campaign must have every ad agency in the US queuing up. All the stuff that they couldn't use because of issues with their own candidate have disappeared into the ether.

    This should be a turkey shoot and hopefully a very funny one!

    This Kamala one from 2020 should give some idea of what to expect.

    https://x.com/harris_wins/status/1815093579078861256?t=DYcDr5leXRPMpogjNKzRHQ&s=19
    Punchy, but I don't remember her going over all that well outside California.
    It looks like an ad to stir the base to me.

    She's probably about saving seats in the House and Senate, not the Presidency.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813
    edited July 21

    People said Keir Starmer could never win.

    Did they?

    I think we all thought he'd win, we just didn't think it'd be built on much and the debate was on how long.

    However, given the ongoing shitshow in The Conservative Party I may have to revise my view that he might only last one term.
    Virtually nobody here said he would win in 2021. I recall many - don't know if you did - saying he should resign.

    I am just saying a lot of these people are now saying Harris won't win.
    Well, firstly, the two events are entirely disconnected in every single way but I don't remember any saying he should in 2021 except @bigjohnowls - he was mocked for losing Hartlepool, and it was speculated his leadership project might fail, but it didn't go much beyond that.

    Over the next few months what this site needs to remember is just because it might want Kamala Harris to win, and share things that encourage that as it tries to boost morale, this is a betting site first and foremost and we need all the facts and points of view to properly assess it.

    It could change a lot, not much, or not at all.
    But what you are saying is precisely what I am saying. The people saying it's nailed on for Trump were the same people saying it was nailed on for SKS to never be PM.

    I am not making a prediction, it's just funny to see the people that so confidently got things wrong, confidently proclaim Trump will win.
    Generally I think treat anyone who displays absolute confidence on who will win a US election with a healthy skepticism.

    The last few elections (even 2012) have been decided by wafer thin margins and the country is very polarised. In all likelihood it will come down to GOTV.

    Perfectly fair to have hunches and predictions, but I distrust absolutes.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,110
    You should probably clarify *which* Soros.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,401
    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Harris is officially running.

    Newsom and Whitmer aren't going to according to CBS. Looks like it's all she wrote tbh

    That should be it, since the Clintons have backed Harris.

    Presume the Obamas will come later/tomorrow.
    Obama made clear tonight he wants an open convention and will not endorse a Harris coronation.
    https://barackobama.medium.com/my-statement-on-president-bidens-announcement-1eb78b3ba3fc

    Buttigieg also paid tribute to Biden but again refused to support Harris, Mayor Pete on manoeuvres?
    https://x.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1815091325772935356
    Interesting. Thanks.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    HYUFD said:

    ABC / Ipsos US (Jul 19-20, 2024)

    Trump
    Favourable 40%
    Unfavourable 51%
    No opinion 7%
    DK 2%

    Harris
    Favourable 35%
    Unfavourable 46%
    No opinion 13%
    DK 5%
    https://x.com/keiranpedley/status/1815118157151088932

    That 51% unfavourable for Trump is his achillies heel.

    If the voters turnout he is history. There isn't much he can do to win them over.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,568

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    Sounds delightful.

    Similar recipes work well with finely sliced cooked chicken instead of tuna, should you have it left over.

    Hope you're scooping out cucumber insides and discarding. Makes it less sloppy.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Cookie said:

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    Mayonnaise.

    We're not American.
    HOWEVER seems you are anti-Hibernian

    Kindly do NOT diss County Mayo - the birthplace of Mayonnaise! (See my upchucking YouTube channel.)

    And ignore the fake news re: Froggish origin, they stole the recipe from us Micks!
    I thought mayonnaise was from Mahon, Menorca (Catalan: Mao).
    Imported by some of St Brendan's fellow monk-mariners who got lost.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    ABC / Ipsos US (Jul 19-20, 2024)

    Trump
    Favourable 40%
    Unfavourable 51%
    No opinion 7%
    DK 2%

    Harris
    Favourable 35%
    Unfavourable 46%
    No opinion 13%
    DK 5%
    https://x.com/keiranpedley/status/1815118157151088932

    Before, after. Things change.
    Those numbers are awful for Harris, even worse favourables than Trump
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963

    People said Keir Starmer could never win.

    Did they?

    I think we all thought he'd win, we just didn't think it'd be built on much and the debate was on how long.

    However, given the ongoing shitshow in The Conservative Party I may have to revise my view that he might only last one term.
    Virtually nobody here said he would win in 2021. I recall many - don't know if you did - saying he should resign.

    I am just saying a lot of these people are now saying Harris won't win.
    Well, firstly, the two events are entirely disconnected in every single way but I don't remember any saying he should in 2021 except @bigjohnowls - he was mocked for losing Hartlepool, and it was speculated his leadership project might fail, but it didn't go much beyond that.

    Over the next few months what this site needs to remember is just because it might want Kamala Harris to win, and share things that encourage that as it tries to boost morale, this is a betting site first and foremost and we need all the facts and points of view to properly assess it.

    It could change a lot, not much, or not at all.
    But what you are saying is precisely what I am saying. The people saying it's nailed on for Trump were the same people saying it was nailed on for SKS to never be PM.

    I am not making a prediction, it's just funny to see the people that so confidently got things wrong, confidently proclaim Trump will win.
    Generally I think great anyone who displays absolute confidence on who will win a US election with a healthy skepticism.

    The last few elections (even 2012) have been decided by wafer thin margins and the country is very polarised. In all likelihood it will come down to GOTV.

    Perfectly fair to have hunches and predictions, but I distrust absolutes.
    If it comes down to GOTV again (as it did in 2020) then the Dems surely have to be favourites? Zuckerberg isn't likely to spend less to beat Trump than he did last time, is he?
  • People said Keir Starmer could never win.

    Did they?

    I think we all thought he'd win, we just didn't think it'd be built on much and the debate was on how long.

    However, given the ongoing shitshow in The Conservative Party I may have to revise my view that he might only last one term.
    Virtually nobody here said he would win in 2021. I recall many - don't know if you did - saying he should resign.

    I am just saying a lot of these people are now saying Harris won't win.
    Well, firstly, the two events are entirely disconnected in every single way but I don't remember any saying he should in 2021 except @bigjohnowls - he was mocked for losing Hartlepool, and it was speculated his leadership project might fail, but it didn't go much beyond that.

    Over the next few months what this site needs to remember is just because it might want Kamala Harris to win, and share things that encourage that as it tries to boost morale, this is a betting site first and foremost and we need all the facts and points of view to properly assess it.

    It could change a lot, not much, or not at all.
    But what you are saying is precisely what I am saying. The people saying it's nailed on for Trump were the same people saying it was nailed on for SKS to never be PM.

    I am not making a prediction, it's just funny to see the people that so confidently got things wrong, confidently proclaim Trump will win.
    Generally I think treat anyone who displays absolute confidence on who will win a US election with a healthy skepticism.

    The last few elections (even 2012) have been decided by wafer thin margins and the country is very polarised. In all likelihood it will come down to GOTV.

    Perfectly fair to have hunches and predictions, but I distrust absolutes.
    My honest view is, I don't know.

    Do I want Trump to lose, absolutely.

    But I am not at all confident he will win, or that Harris will. I am staying out of the betting on this one.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874

    HYUFD said:

    Who cares, Barack Obama has tonight refused to endorse Harris
    Has he "refused" or has his statement just not been released yet?
    He has refused .

    'We will be navigating uncharted waters in the days ahead. But I have extraordinary confidence that the leaders of our party will be able to create a process from which an outstanding nominee emerges. I believe that Joe Biden’s vision of a generous, prosperous, and united America that provides opportunity for everyone will be on full display at the Democratic Convention in August. And I expect that every single one of us are prepared to carry that message of hope and progress forward into November and beyond.'
    https://barackobama.medium.com/my-statement-on-president-bidens-announcement-1eb78b3ba3fc
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,060
    I AM GOING TO THE SHOP TO BUY VITTLES. PLEASE MAKE SURE NOBODY GETS ASSASSINATED/REPLACED/COUP'D IN MY BRIEF ABSENCE. THANK YOU
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,768

    Cookie said:

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    Mayonnaise.

    We're not American.
    HOWEVER seems you are anti-Hibernian

    Kindly do NOT diss County Mayo - the birthplace of Mayonnaise! (See my upchucking YouTube channel.)

    And ignore the fake news re: Froggish origin, they stole the recipe from us Micks!
    I thought mayonnaise was from Mahon, Menorca (Catalan: Mao).
    Imported by some of St Brendan's fellow monk-mariners who got lost.
    Yes, yes I'm not quibbling with Mayo! Just your suggestion of Froggish origins.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,796
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Who cares, Barack Obama has tonight refused to endorse Harris
    Has he "refused" or has his statement just not been released yet?
    He has refused .

    'We will be navigating uncharted waters in the days ahead. But I have extraordinary confidence that the leaders of our party will be able to create a process from which an outstanding nominee emerges. I believe that Joe Biden’s vision of a generous, prosperous, and united America that provides opportunity for everyone will be on full display at the Democratic Convention in August. And I expect that every single one of us are prepared to carry that message of hope and progress forward into November and beyond.'
    https://barackobama.medium.com/my-statement-on-president-bidens-announcement-1eb78b3ba3fc
    Hmm... a quid on Michelle?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Carnyx said:

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    Mayonnaise.

    We're not American.
    Bugger that, what's wrong with British salad cream?

    A beloved UKer food condiment AND hair ointment?
  • viewcode said:

    I AM GOING TO THE SHOP TO BUY VITTLES. PLEASE MAKE SURE NOBODY GETS ASSASSINATED/REPLACED/COUP'D IN MY BRIEF ABSENCE. THANK YOU

    You are ok. Our editor hasn't gone on leave yet.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,777

    Andy_JS said:

    The people who did everything they could to keep Biden in the race beyond the time it was sensible to do so should feel ashamed of themselves.

    This was clear a year ago.

    But, if he'd kept it together another 4 months he'd have made it.

    He fucked up the debate and its aftermath. Noone else.
    No it's been clear he wasn't going to be able to do the debates for a year, his mental faculties have been declining for at least 2 years and he should have been encouraged to step aside before the primaries so there could have been a proper race.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Who cares, Barack Obama has tonight refused to endorse Harris
    He's not "refused to endorse" Harris. He's stayed silent on successor for now. While there will be a bit of a fantasy for some that he's waiting on Michelle, it's more likely he'll be wheeled out dramatically at a campaign event in the
    'He's stayed silent on successor for now' so in other words has refused to endorse Harris! Obama knows Harris is as unelectable as Hillary was v Trump, I suspect he is already in talks with Buttigieg if he runs about an endorsement if Michelle doesn't run.

    If Obama swings the black delegates behind Buttigieg that is Harris done
    No. Refusal to endorse is saying "I'm not endorsing X". Avoiding the question of endorsement is not a refusal, and you're being a bit silly based on a very odd beef with Harris. Step away from PB and have a good night's sleep.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,883
    ydoethur said:

    If Harris wins the nomination, do you think Biden will step down as President. It would surely give her campaign a boost.

    No, the GOP would stall a replacement veep until after the election and we need Kamala Harris to oversee the count of the Presidential election on the 6th of January 2025.

    Plus we need Veep Harris to ensure the Dem majority in the senate.
    That does seem a strange constitutional position come to think of it. Amazing how Kennedy beat Nixon or Bush Gore.
    It is worth remembering that Richard Nixon, who until a few months ago was the only known (as opposed to convicted) criminal ever to be President, was yet sufficiently honourable to certify his narrow and unexpected election defeat without quibble.

    Donald Trump - worse than Nixon.

    What an epitaph.
    As I said up thread the ad campaign's going to be so easy everyone's going to have a go!
  • HYUFD said:

    Who cares, Obama hasn't that is the big news tonight!
    Obama just isn't stupid enough to make commitments before someone has had a thorough look at the rulebook.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651

    Actually, a great number of people saying that Harris is doomed here today, were the same people that were projecting a decade of Johnson in 2021 and 2022.

    I am not making a prediction - but politics is febrile and unpredictable.

    Trump remains the favourite. But he is no longer the shoo-in he was 24 hours ago. The race becomes about him again, rather than Biden. And there was a lot said at the GOP Convention last week that will concern Independents in the US - women especially.

    But why is he the favourite? Is Harris actually much more popular than Biden, a man who was struggling to stick two sentences together. Surely a half decent Democrat ought to win this? It could be people are underestimating Harris and she surprises on the upside. I know very little about her. But I can't ignore the fact that Trump remains a strong favourite. Why let a VP walk into the nomination if that is the case?
    Trump remains the favourite because the markets, and certainly the polls, haven't had chance to digest this evening's events.

    Let's see who is favourite in a few days, and a few weeks' time.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,031
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Who cares, Barack Obama has tonight refused to endorse Harris
    Has he "refused" or has his statement just not been released yet?
    He has refused .

    'We will be navigating uncharted waters in the days ahead. But I have extraordinary confidence that the leaders of our party will be able to create a process from which an outstanding nominee emerges. I believe that Joe Biden’s vision of a generous, prosperous, and united America that provides opportunity for everyone will be on full display at the Democratic Convention in August. And I expect that every single one of us are prepared to carry that message of hope and progress forward into November and beyond.'
    https://barackobama.medium.com/my-statement-on-president-bidens-announcement-1eb78b3ba3fc
    That is, of course, not a refusal.
    I thought you understood how politics works, HY ?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Nigelb said:


    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Who cares, Barack Obama has tonight refused to endorse Harris
    Has he "refused" or has his statement just not been released yet?
    He has refused .

    'We will be navigating uncharted waters in the days ahead. But I have extraordinary confidence that the leaders of our party will be able to create a process from which an outstanding nominee emerges. I believe that Joe Biden’s vision of a generous, prosperous, and united America that provides opportunity for everyone will be on full display at the Democratic Convention in August. And I expect that every single one of us are prepared to carry that message of hope and progress forward into November and beyond.'
    https://barackobama.medium.com/my-statement-on-president-bidens-announcement-1eb78b3ba3fc
    That is, of course, not a refusal.
    I thought you understood how politics works, HY ?
    Ha! Ha!! Ha!!!
  • How on Earth after being president, can anyone have a positive view of Trump. Mad.

    I think all of us on here would do well to remember that many people do not share our own political opinions; probably even more so for voters in foreign countries who may live in a polity with some very different values to those of the UK.
    I am not disputing that - I am just saying it's mad.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,796
    A right field suggestion from Aaron Sorkin: https://dnyuz.com/2024/07/21/aaron-sorkin-how-i-would-script-this-moment-for-biden-and-the-democrats/

    The Democrats should nominate.....Mitt Romney.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,401
    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Who cares, Barack Obama has tonight refused to endorse Harris
    Has he "refused" or has his statement just not been released yet?
    He has refused .

    'We will be navigating uncharted waters in the days ahead. But I have extraordinary confidence that the leaders of our party will be able to create a process from which an outstanding nominee emerges. I believe that Joe Biden’s vision of a generous, prosperous, and united America that provides opportunity for everyone will be on full display at the Democratic Convention in August. And I expect that every single one of us are prepared to carry that message of hope and progress forward into November and beyond.'
    https://barackobama.medium.com/my-statement-on-president-bidens-announcement-1eb78b3ba3fc
    Hmm... a quid on Michelle?
    No, because the note is signed from Michelle and I.

    But he clearly has someone else in mind.
  • DoubleCarpetDoubleCarpet Posts: 888

    How on Earth after being president, can anyone have a positive view of Trump. Mad.

    I think all of us on here would do well to remember that many people do not share our own political opinions; probably even more so for voters in foreign countries who may live in a polity with some very different values to those of the UK.
    I am not disputing that - I am just saying it's mad.
    Mad to you maybe, but clearly not to millions of Americans.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    Nigelb said:


    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Who cares, Barack Obama has tonight refused to endorse Harris
    Has he "refused" or has his statement just not been released yet?
    He has refused .

    'We will be navigating uncharted waters in the days ahead. But I have extraordinary confidence that the leaders of our party will be able to create a process from which an outstanding nominee emerges. I believe that Joe Biden’s vision of a generous, prosperous, and united America that provides opportunity for everyone will be on full display at the Democratic Convention in August. And I expect that every single one of us are prepared to carry that message of hope and progress forward into November and beyond.'
    https://barackobama.medium.com/my-statement-on-president-bidens-announcement-1eb78b3ba3fc
    That is, of course, not a refusal.
    I thought you understood how politics works, HY ?
    At a time when other key Democrats were falling in line for the A++ list former President Obama to refuse to is a massive rebuff for Harris and you know it
  • How on Earth after being president, can anyone have a positive view of Trump. Mad.

    I think all of us on here would do well to remember that many people do not share our own political opinions; probably even more so for voters in foreign countries who may live in a polity with some very different values to those of the UK.
    I am not disputing that - I am just saying it's mad.
    Mad to you maybe, but clearly not to millions of Americans.
    Again, that's not in dispute. I am just saying it's still mad.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009
    carnforth said:

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    Sounds delightful.

    Similar recipes work well with finely sliced cooked chicken instead of tuna, should you have it left over.

    Hope you're scooping out cucumber insides and discarding. Makes it less sloppy.
    Discarding???

    That's the nicest bit!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,031
    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Who cares, Barack Obama has tonight refused to endorse Harris
    Has he "refused" or has his statement just not been released yet?
    He has refused .

    'We will be navigating uncharted waters in the days ahead. But I have extraordinary confidence that the leaders of our party will be able to create a process from which an outstanding nominee emerges. I believe that Joe Biden’s vision of a generous, prosperous, and united America that provides opportunity for everyone will be on full display at the Democratic Convention in August. And I expect that every single one of us are prepared to carry that message of hope and progress forward into November and beyond.'
    https://barackobama.medium.com/my-statement-on-president-bidens-announcement-1eb78b3ba3fc
    Hmm... a quid on Michelle?
    Have you read the statement ?
    It’s about Obama paying tribute to Joe Biden. An endorsement would be somewhat out of place.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    Mayonnaise.

    We're not American.
    HOWEVER seems you are anti-Hibernian

    Kindly do NOT diss County Mayo - the birthplace of Mayonnaise! (See my upchucking YouTube channel.)

    And ignore the fake news re: Froggish origin, they stole the recipe from us Micks!
    I thought mayonnaise was from Mahon, Menorca (Catalan: Mao).
    Imported by some of St Brendan's fellow monk-mariners who got lost.
    Yes, yes I'm not quibbling with Mayo! Just your suggestion of Froggish origins.
    To appease you, stipulate that the French received the blessing of Mayo via Mahon. (Mahonnaise?)
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    HYUFD said:

    ABC / Ipsos US (Jul 19-20, 2024)

    Trump
    Favourable 40%
    Unfavourable 51%
    No opinion 7%
    DK 2%

    Harris
    Favourable 35%
    Unfavourable 46%
    No opinion 13%
    DK 5%
    https://x.com/keiranpedley/status/1815118157151088932

    You're being selective in quoting polling again. You chose not to add from the same poll:

    Biden: 32% favorable, 55% unfavorable, 9% no opinion

    i.e. Opinion significantly more favourable towards Harris than Biden at the point just before he took the decision not to run again.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874

    HYUFD said:

    ABC / Ipsos US (Jul 19-20, 2024)

    Trump
    Favourable 40%
    Unfavourable 51%
    No opinion 7%
    DK 2%

    Harris
    Favourable 35%
    Unfavourable 46%
    No opinion 13%
    DK 5%
    https://x.com/keiranpedley/status/1815118157151088932

    You're being selective in quoting polling again. You chose not to add from the same poll:

    Biden: 32% favorable, 55% unfavorable, 9% no opinion

    i.e. Opinion significantly more favourable towards Harris than Biden at the point just before he took the decision not to run again.
    Well if Biden felt he couldn't beat Trump again on those numbers Harris sure ain't either!
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,568

    carnforth said:

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    Sounds delightful.

    Similar recipes work well with finely sliced cooked chicken instead of tuna, should you have it left over.

    Hope you're scooping out cucumber insides and discarding. Makes it less sloppy.
    Discarding???

    That's the nicest bit!
    Putting your status as my favourite PB lefty in jeopardy with this crazy talk.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,031
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:


    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Who cares, Barack Obama has tonight refused to endorse Harris
    Has he "refused" or has his statement just not been released yet?
    He has refused .

    'We will be navigating uncharted waters in the days ahead. But I have extraordinary confidence that the leaders of our party will be able to create a process from which an outstanding nominee emerges. I believe that Joe Biden’s vision of a generous, prosperous, and united America that provides opportunity for everyone will be on full display at the Democratic Convention in August. And I expect that every single one of us are prepared to carry that message of hope and progress forward into November and beyond.'
    https://barackobama.medium.com/my-statement-on-president-bidens-announcement-1eb78b3ba3fc
    That is, of course, not a refusal.
    I thought you understood how politics works, HY ?
    At a time when other key Democrats were falling in line for the A++ list former President Obama to refuse to is a massive rebuff for Harris and you know it
    Ah, so you don’t, after all.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,043
    DavidL said:

    A right field suggestion from Aaron Sorkin: https://dnyuz.com/2024/07/21/aaron-sorkin-how-i-would-script-this-moment-for-biden-and-the-democrats/

    The Democrats should nominate.....Mitt Romney.

    Make him the VP pick.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Who cares, Barack Obama has tonight refused to endorse Harris
    Has he "refused" or has his statement just not been released yet?
    He has refused .

    'We will be navigating uncharted waters in the days ahead. But I have extraordinary confidence that the leaders of our party will be able to create a process from which an outstanding nominee emerges. I believe that Joe Biden’s vision of a generous, prosperous, and united America that provides opportunity for everyone will be on full display at the Democratic Convention in August. And I expect that every single one of us are prepared to carry that message of hope and progress forward into November and beyond.'
    https://barackobama.medium.com/my-statement-on-president-bidens-announcement-1eb78b3ba3fc
    Hmm... a quid on Michelle?
    Have you read the statement ?
    It’s about Obama paying tribute to Joe Biden. An endorsement would be somewhat out of place.
    Bill Clinton managed to endorse Harris after his Biden tribute, Obama notably did not
    https://x.com/BillClinton/status/1815102085198958657
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,950
    ohnotnow said:

    boulay said:

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    Try horseradish instead of Dijon. Horseradish with certain fish is magnificent. Perfect with mackerel, new potatoes and beetroot weirdly.
    I am quite fond of this stuff :

    https://bonsan.co.uk/products/bonsan-organic-beetroot-horseradish-spread/

    "Bonsan vibrant red Beetroot & Horseradish spread really packs a punch. Made from earthy beetroots, fiery horseradish and sunflower seeds this healthy spread is the perfect accompaniment spread onto toast or in sandwiches, or even used as a dip for crudités."
    I like the sound of that but terrible website, the where to buy link goes nowhere. Any supermarket etc stockists?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    carnforth said:
    Yet. Wait for it.

    Strategically speaking, WHY should/would he take the spotlight off of POTUS and the Veep TODAY?

    More impactful a few news cycles down the road.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813

    HYUFD said:

    ABC / Ipsos US (Jul 19-20, 2024)

    Trump
    Favourable 40%
    Unfavourable 51%
    No opinion 7%
    DK 2%

    Harris
    Favourable 35%
    Unfavourable 46%
    No opinion 13%
    DK 5%
    https://x.com/keiranpedley/status/1815118157151088932

    You're being selective in quoting polling again. You chose not to add from the same poll:

    Biden: 32% favorable, 55% unfavorable, 9% no opinion

    i.e. Opinion significantly more favourable towards Harris than Biden at the point just before he took the decision not to run again.
    HYUFD seems to have an intense dislike of Harris. I am not entirely sure why.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,076
    DavidL said:

    A right field suggestion from Aaron Sorkin: https://dnyuz.com/2024/07/21/aaron-sorkin-how-i-would-script-this-moment-for-biden-and-the-democrats/

    The Democrats should nominate.....Mitt Romney.

    Surely better as a VP pick if they wanted to go that way.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,031
    edited July 21

    DavidL said:

    A right field suggestion from Aaron Sorkin: https://dnyuz.com/2024/07/21/aaron-sorkin-how-i-would-script-this-moment-for-biden-and-the-democrats/

    The Democrats should nominate.....Mitt Romney.

    Make him the VP pick.
    I think Sorkin’s a bit old for that.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    And on the subject of bowing out Mark Elder addressing the audience after an electric performance of Mahler 5.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,043
    Many Republicans are going to say Harris is a “DEI” pick, which will play well with their base, but might make them look obnoxious to the swing voters.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    Bobby Kennedy's grandson Joe Kennedy III pays tribute to Biden but also refuses to endorse Harris, seems the Obamas and Kennedys aren't supportive of her getting a coronation
    'Joe Biden has served with his whole heart. Like so many times before, he has demonstrated his unwavering courage and true patriotism for the country and people he loves so much. Thank you, Mr. President.'
    https://x.com/joekennedy/status/1815107708456177729
  • HYUFD said:

    ABC / Ipsos US (Jul 19-20, 2024)

    Trump
    Favourable 40%
    Unfavourable 51%
    No opinion 7%
    DK 2%

    Harris
    Favourable 35%
    Unfavourable 46%
    No opinion 13%
    DK 5%
    https://x.com/keiranpedley/status/1815118157151088932

    You're being selective in quoting polling again. You chose not to add from the same poll:

    Biden: 32% favorable, 55% unfavorable, 9% no opinion

    i.e. Opinion significantly more favourable towards Harris than Biden at the point just before he took the decision not to run again.
    HYUFD seems to have an intense dislike of Harris. I am not entirely sure why.
    Maybe I'm not the only one here to have had a girlfriend in the US in the '90s. Is there something we should know?
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300

    And on the subject of bowing out Mark Elder addressing the audience after an electric performance of Mahler 5.

    Something to catch up on later. Thanks for the reminder.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,043
    HYUFD said:

    Bobby Kennedy's grandson Joe Kennedy III pays tribute to Biden but also refuses to endorse Harris, seems the Obamas and Kennedys aren't supportive of her getting a coronation
    'Joe Biden has served with his whole heart. Like so many times before, he has demonstrated his unwavering courage and true patriotism for the country and people he loves so much. Thank you, Mr. President.'
    https://x.com/joekennedy/status/1815107708456177729

    He does not “refuse” to endorse Harris. He does not endorse anyone.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,198
    DavidL said:

    nico679 said:

    I think Harris stands a better chance of winning as the current VP rather than President . The first woman President might help and she will eviscerate Trump on the abortion issue .

    I can’t recall any specifics about Harris and abortion, so…

    Imagine that Harris is the nominee. And then the question lands.

    “Have you ever had an abortion?”

    It could be a sit own interview with 60 Minutes. It could be a question during a debate.

    Her answer is simple. “Yes”.

    What does that do to the race? How does that land in swing states? How does it land in any state? Does she explain the circumstance?

    Harris is a much more dangerous opponent for Trump. He cannot criticise her for actions or experiences from which he is precluded by virtue of… well… you know. He’s a bloke. He can’t have an abortion.

    We're not so sure about that up in Scotland.
    I’m being oppressed!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    stjohn said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Who cares, Barack Obama has tonight refused to endorse Harris
    Has he "refused" or has his statement just not been released yet?
    He has refused .

    'We will be navigating uncharted waters in the days ahead. But I have extraordinary confidence that the leaders of our party will be able to create a process from which an outstanding nominee emerges. I believe that Joe Biden’s vision of a generous, prosperous, and united America that provides opportunity for everyone will be on full display at the Democratic Convention in August. And I expect that every single one of us are prepared to carry that message of hope and progress forward into November and beyond.'
    https://barackobama.medium.com/my-statement-on-president-bidens-announcement-1eb78b3ba3fc
    Hmm... a quid on Michelle?
    Have you read the statement ?
    It’s about Obama paying tribute to Joe Biden. An endorsement would be somewhat out of place.
    Bill Clinton managed to endorse Harris after his Biden tribute, Obama notably did not
    https://x.com/BillClinton/status/1815102085198958657
    To state the bleeding obvious, not endorsing does not equal refusing to endorse.
    If Harris was going to wrap up the nomination this week she needed not only the endorsement of Biden and the Clintons but the Obamas and Kennedys too and Carter and most of Congress, she has so far already failed to get them all
  • What about the ghost of Jeffrey Epstein?
    Does he write haunting articles for the Speccie?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,687
    Representative Debbie Dingell, a Democratic ally of Gov. Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan, said on MSNBC that she had spoken with the governor and that Whitmer was “not a candidate for any office this year.”

    NY Times
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,031
    HYUFD said:

    stjohn said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Who cares, Barack Obama has tonight refused to endorse Harris
    Has he "refused" or has his statement just not been released yet?
    He has refused .

    'We will be navigating uncharted waters in the days ahead. But I have extraordinary confidence that the leaders of our party will be able to create a process from which an outstanding nominee emerges. I believe that Joe Biden’s vision of a generous, prosperous, and united America that provides opportunity for everyone will be on full display at the Democratic Convention in August. And I expect that every single one of us are prepared to carry that message of hope and progress forward into November and beyond.'
    https://barackobama.medium.com/my-statement-on-president-bidens-announcement-1eb78b3ba3fc
    Hmm... a quid on Michelle?
    Have you read the statement ?
    It’s about Obama paying tribute to Joe Biden. An endorsement would be somewhat out of place.
    Bill Clinton managed to endorse Harris after his Biden tribute, Obama notably did not
    https://x.com/BillClinton/status/1815102085198958657
    To state the bleeding obvious, not endorsing does not equal refusing to endorse.
    If Harris was going to wrap up the nomination this week she needed not only the endorsement of Biden and the Clintons but the Obamas and Kennedys too and Carter and most of Congress, she has so far already failed to get them all
    Feel free to bet otherwise.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,163
    edited July 21
    Whew just checked - and it's a good job ol Joe didn't leave the White House

    Am +16.82 "No" Biden to leave the WH via impeachment, resignation or 25th (-29 Yes)
    Biden to serve full term "Yes"+42.86 / "No" -74.99

    I suppose they could always be busted but they look OK for now. :D
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,861
    I'm going to switch off the news now and watch some other TV. I'm not going to bed yet - but I will do so in a bit. Am I refusing to go to bed Hyufd?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,117
    kle4 said:

    So what's Trump's insulting nickname for Kamala? Crazy Kamala or similar I assume.

    He does not seem to have a pungent name for Harris.

    The full NYT compendium of Trump's insults is here. Quite impressive keyword stuffing.
    https://archive.ph/8wOQK
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,198
    edited July 21
    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I am going to create a list of PB's best irrationally over the top hatreds.

    @bigjohnowls and Starmer
    @Luckyguy1983 and Sunak
    @rcs1000 and Zac Goldsmith
    @HYUFD and Kamala Harris

    @CorrectHorseBattery and horses

    I’d have gone with people who object to 5G masts in urban areas, but hey…
    No one objects. (Edit: except for loons and conspiraloons *.)

    Just don't put them in the middle of the effing public highway.

    It's not much to ask, is it?

    * On topic: Has Chump ever said anything about 5G masts?
    Loons from Bath

    https://bathecho.co.uk/news/community/5g-pilot-go-bath-despite-opposition-106592/#:~:text=343%20people%20had%20objected%20to,urged%20councillors%20to%20refuse%20it.
    There were a load of twats in Stroud saying much the same thing twelve months ago.

    Something had clearly addled their tiny brains which was ironic given they were afraid 5g would harm them!
    You are making an assumption about their brains. Namely that they have any.

    As the great American philosopher observed, assumption makes an ass out of you and mption.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,207
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    ABC / Ipsos US (Jul 19-20, 2024)

    Trump
    Favourable 40%
    Unfavourable 51%
    No opinion 7%
    DK 2%

    Harris
    Favourable 35%
    Unfavourable 46%
    No opinion 13%
    DK 5%
    https://x.com/keiranpedley/status/1815118157151088932

    You're being selective in quoting polling again. You chose not to add from the same poll:

    Biden: 32% favorable, 55% unfavorable, 9% no opinion

    i.e. Opinion significantly more favourable towards Harris than Biden at the point just before he took the decision not to run again.
    Well if Biden felt he couldn't beat Trump again on those numbers Harris sure ain't either!
    Why? She has lower unfavorables as well.

    And in FPTP, having less active dislike of you is often the winning move.
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