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  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586
    edited July 21

    So do we assume it's now going to be Harris vs Trump?

    We do indeed
    I don't!

    Gretchen Whitmer for me.

    (Returns to lurking!)
    I would have preferred Whitmer but I can't see it happening. It would have needed Biden to avoid endorsing Harris.

    The momentum for Harris will be unstoppable now.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,548

    If Harris wins the nomination, do you think Biden will step down as President. It would surely give her campaign a boost.

    No. For one thing, not sure it would.
  • rcs1000 said:

    I am going to create a list of PB's best irrationally over the top hatreds.

    @bigjohnowls and Starmer
    @Luckyguy1983 and Sunak
    @rcs1000 and Zac Goldsmith
    @HYUFD and Kamala Harris

    @CorrectHorseBattery and horses

    Is that a hint as to how @CorrectHorseBattery got banned?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706

    rcs1000 said:

    I am going to create a list of PB's best irrationally over the top hatreds.

    @bigjohnowls and Starmer
    @Luckyguy1983 and Sunak
    @rcs1000 and Zac Goldsmith
    @HYUFD and Kamala Harris

    @CorrectHorseBattery and horses

    @DavidL and Gordon Brown.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,578
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Bill and Hillary endorse Harris.

    Hillary knows how to beat Trump of course
    Hillary 65,853,514 votes
    Trump 62,984,828 votes

    :innocent:
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,177

    rcs1000 said:

    I am going to create a list of PB's best irrationally over the top hatreds.

    @bigjohnowls and Starmer
    @Luckyguy1983 and Sunak
    @rcs1000 and Zac Goldsmith
    @HYUFD and Kamala Harris

    @CorrectHorseBattery and horses

    I’d have gone with people who object to 5G masts in urban areas, but hey…
  • DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I am going to create a list of PB's best irrationally over the top hatreds.

    @bigjohnowls and Starmer
    @Luckyguy1983 and Sunak
    @rcs1000 and Zac Goldsmith
    @HYUFD and Kamala Harris

    @CorrectHorseBattery and horses

    @DavidL and Gordon Brown.
    Tony Blair and Gordon Brown?
  • Has Matthew Goodwin explained how his propaganda outfit got GE2024 so wrong? Has he been thrown out of the BPC yet?
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    edited July 21

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    I generally just stick with tuna (well drained as you say) and mayo. But a dash of fresh lemon juice and a few grinds of black pepper make all the difference in my view.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I am going to create a list of PB's best irrationally over the top hatreds.

    @bigjohnowls and Starmer
    @Luckyguy1983 and Sunak
    @rcs1000 and Zac Goldsmith
    @HYUFD and Kamala Harris

    @CorrectHorseBattery and horses

    @DavidL and Gordon Brown.
    We're talking about *irrational* hatreds.

    For the same reason, my views on the DfE can't be added to the list.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706
    Andy_JS said:

    Trump's going to suddenly appear a lot older now that he's up against Harris instead of Biden, TSTO.

    Been saying that for a while. Now he is the dottled old fool in the race, no question. Just look at his speech to the Republican Convention.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,707
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Bill and Hillary endorse Harris.

    Hillary knows how to beat Trump of course
    You're mistaking Hilary for those Russian girls.
  • Major betting post.

    Go all in on Kamala Harris beating Trump.




    https://x.com/drjennings/status/1815107447029108828

    I want to see if Jim Cramer thinks the same thi g as Mr Goodwin before betting on the opposite
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,851
    edited July 21
    American elections which specialise in the negative campaign must have every ad agency in the US queuing up. All the stuff that they couldn't use because of issues with their own candidate have disappeared into the ether.

    This should be a turkey shoot and hopefully a very funny one!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    I generally just stick with Tuna (well drained as you say) and mayo. But a dash of fresh lemon juice and a few grinds of black pepper make all the difference in my view.
    'Mayo' covers an absolute multitude of possibilities, including a lot of ultra-processed nasties. Make your own mayonnaise, it's the only way.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,069

    So do we assume it's now going to be Harris vs Trump?

    We do indeed
    I don't!

    Gretchen Whitmer for me.

    (Returns to lurking!)
    I would have preferred Whitmer but I can't see it happening. It would have needed Biden to avoid endorsing Harris.

    The momentum for Harris will be unstoppable now.
    Question now, as four years ago, is pretty simple.

    Is VP Harris acceptable, under the circumstances?

    Especially given the circumstances.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 654

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    That sounds frankly delicious and has made me want to make something similar. Being chronically cheap I'd find it hard to buy the expensive tuna though.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586

    Can I ask Casino why he has given me a "troll" for a perfectly reasonable comment on the last thread? TSE has mentioned before that the troll button is not simply an opportunity to dismiss posts one disagrees with.

    Because you were trolling, and that's what the button is for.

    Parents paying for independent schools are already making the sacrifices you describe, including ourselves, and your bunch of charlatans turning the thumbscrews will force them out entirely.
    No I wasn't. I made a perfectly reasonable point based on what others have been advising people struggling to heat their homes or put food on their tables.

    You really are petty. If I "trolled" your posts that I disagreed with you would have a decent number of troll points. You have been posting here for almost twenty years and yet you still haven't got the hang of how site etiquette works.

    I would prefer you to remove the flag, but I doubt you are big enough so to do.
    I won't take an lectures from a man who's happy to mock and press a bruise that's personal to me and my family then.

    I've told you about this before. If you persist in doing it then you deserve everything you get. And then you have the temerity to insult me on top as well.

    Away with you.

    Prat.
    Well if you are so thin skinned you better give me another handful of flags.
    Like you when autism comes up?
    I would bet a pound to a bottletop that every single one of us is on the autism spectrum and further down it than we would care to admit.
    What sort of bottle top?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994

    Can I ask Casino why he has given me a "troll" for a perfectly reasonable comment on the last thread? TSE has mentioned before that the troll button is not simply an opportunity to dismiss posts one disagrees with.

    Because you were trolling, and that's what the button is for.

    Parents paying for independent schools are already making the sacrifices you describe, including ourselves, and your bunch of charlatans turning the thumbscrews will force them out entirely.
    No I wasn't. I made a perfectly reasonable point based on what others have been advising people struggling to heat their homes or put food on their tables.

    You really are petty. If I "trolled" your posts that I disagreed with you would have a decent number of troll points. You have been posting here for almost twenty years and yet you still haven't got the hang of how site etiquette works.

    I would prefer you to remove the flag, but I doubt you are big enough so to do.
    I won't take an lectures from a man who's happy to mock and press a bruise that's personal to me and my family then.

    I've told you about this before. If you persist in doing it then you deserve everything you get. And then you have the temerity to insult me on top as well.

    Away with you.

    Prat.
    Well if you are so thin skinned you better give me another handful of flags.
    Like you when autism comes up?
    I would bet a pound to a bottletop that every single one of us is on the autism spectrum and further down it than we would care to admit.
    Yes, but if you say this @Mexicanpete totally loses his shit
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994

    Can I ask Casino why he has given me a "troll" for a perfectly reasonable comment on the last thread? TSE has mentioned before that the troll button is not simply an opportunity to dismiss posts one disagrees with.

    Because you were trolling, and that's what the button is for.

    Parents paying for independent schools are already making the sacrifices you describe, including ourselves, and your bunch of charlatans turning the thumbscrews will force them out entirely.
    No I wasn't. I made a perfectly reasonable point based on what others have been advising people struggling to heat their homes or put food on their tables.

    You really are petty. If I "trolled" your posts that I disagreed with you would have a decent number of troll points. You have been posting here for almost twenty years and yet you still haven't got the hang of how site etiquette works.

    I would prefer you to remove the flag, but I doubt you are big enough so to do.
    I won't take an lectures from a man who's happy to mock and press a bruise that's personal to me and my family then.

    I've told you about this before. If you persist in doing it then you deserve everything you get. And then you have the temerity to insult me on top as well.

    Away with you.

    Prat.
    Well if you are so thin skinned you better give me another handful of flags.
    Like you when autism comes up?
    You have no idea if I have ever flagged anyone.
    Oh yes I do
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    I generally just stick with Tuna (well drained as you say) and mayo. But a dash of fresh lemon juice and a few grinds of black pepper make all the difference in my view.
    'Mayo' covers an absolute multitude of possibilities, including a lot of ultra-processed nasties. Make your own mayonnaise, it's the only way.
    A retired person’s post, if you don’t mind me saying …
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,548
    "The Democrat [sic] civil war is hotting up."

    In the dreams of Donald Trump, his fluffers and fellow MAGA-maniacs. Strait from Mar-a-Lardo spin cycle.
  • Can I ask Casino why he has given me a "troll" for a perfectly reasonable comment on the last thread? TSE has mentioned before that the troll button is not simply an opportunity to dismiss posts one disagrees with.

    Because you were trolling, and that's what the button is for.

    Parents paying for independent schools are already making the sacrifices you describe, including ourselves, and your bunch of charlatans turning the thumbscrews will force them out entirely.
    No I wasn't. I made a perfectly reasonable point based on what others have been advising people struggling to heat their homes or put food on their tables.

    You really are petty. If I "trolled" your posts that I disagreed with you would have a decent number of troll points. You have been posting here for almost twenty years and yet you still haven't got the hang of how site etiquette works.

    I would prefer you to remove the flag, but I doubt you are big enough so to do.
    I won't take an lectures from a man who's happy to mock and press a bruise that's personal to me and my family then.

    I've told you about this before. If you persist in doing it then you deserve everything you get. And then you have the temerity to insult me on top as well.

    Away with you.

    Prat.
    Well if you are so thin skinned you better give me another handful of flags.
    Like you when autism comes up?
    I would bet a pound to a bottletop that every single one of us is on the autism spectrum and further down it than we would care to admit.
    What sort of bottle top?
    Perfect, lol
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    WillG said:

    Josh Shapiro, Andy Beshear and Pete Buttigieg would have to be the best VP picks.

    I would add Ossoff to the list.
    I would add Orlov to the list.

    A real match for Putin in Eastern Europe.
    General Orlov?

    https://youtu.be/x99njmZxaMA?si=3i8mRxtUE46hCgho
    That was a really good presentation - simple direct, no PowerPoint.

    That’s the way you should sell WWIII
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,794
    edited July 21

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    BEST. POST. EVAH. :)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    Roger said:

    American elections which specialise in the negative campaign must have every ad agency in the US queuing up. All the stuff that they couldn't use because of issues with their own candidate have disappeared into the ether.

    This should be a turkey shoot and hopefully a very funny one!

    Classic Rogerdamus.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480
    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Game, set and match Trump if the Democrats endorse Harris after Biden's withdrawal and follow his mistaken recommendation.

    Nurse! I’ve found him! He’s here.
    I don’t think that Harris can win.
    She can, but it is a difficult path. She has to energise and get out the female vote, and the young vote.

    A good Veep choice too. A balancing ticket from a Mid-West state probably.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,707

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    The Ortiz Bonito Tuna fillets are very nice. Expensive - but so good for a treat.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 654

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    I generally just stick with Tuna (well drained as you say) and mayo. But a dash of fresh lemon juice and a few grinds of black pepper make all the difference in my view.
    'Mayo' covers an absolute multitude of possibilities, including a lot of ultra-processed nasties. Make your own mayonnaise, it's the only way.
    French supermarkets do an amazing mayonnaise with Dijon mustard. I always bring a bottle back intending to use it for remoulade but just slather it over chips.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,874
    edited July 21

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    I generally just stick with tuna (well drained as you say) and mayo. But a dash of fresh lemon juice and a few grinds of black pepper make all the difference in my view.
    Why do so many tuna sandwich suppliers insist on putting the abominable aberration that is sweetcorn, into otherwise reasonable tuna? It doesn’t belong on pizza either.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,798
    rcs1000 said:

    I am going to create a list of PB's best irrationally over the top hatreds.

    @bigjohnowls and Starmer
    @Luckyguy1983 and Sunak
    @rcs1000 and Zac Goldsmith
    @HYUFD and Kamala Harris

    @Leon and the Irish
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331

    Roger said:

    American elections which specialise in the negative campaign must have every ad agency in the US queuing up. All the stuff that they couldn't use because of issues with their own candidate have disappeared into the ether.

    This should be a turkey shoot and hopefully a very funny one!

    Classic Rogerdamus.
    Advertising is one thing he does know about, though.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    edited July 21

    Nigelb said:

    .

    rcs1000 said:

    I am going to create a list of PB's best irrationally over the top hatreds.

    @bigjohnowls and Starmer
    @Luckyguy1983 and Sunak
    @rcs1000 and Zac Goldsmith
    @HYUFD and Kamala Harris

    @TSE and pineapple on Pizza?
    Perfectly rational.
    How about eating Cheddar Cheese and Pineapple on a stick in Norniron on 12th July?
    Depends if it is green* or orange, and where one eats it?

    *Those who query it: Sage Derby.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 426
    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Trump's going to suddenly appear a lot older now that he's up against Harris instead of Biden, TSTO.

    He already looks about 173. How much older can he appear?
    That's why Boris is being paid to stand next to him in photos, suddenly Trump looks taller, younger and like he has a hairdresser.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190
    edited July 21

    Can I ask Casino why he has given me a "troll" for a perfectly reasonable comment on the last thread? TSE has mentioned before that the troll button is not simply an opportunity to dismiss posts one disagrees with.

    Because you were trolling, and that's what the button is for.

    Parents paying for independent schools are already making the sacrifices you describe, including ourselves, and your bunch of charlatans turning the thumbscrews will force them out entirely.
    No I wasn't. I made a perfectly reasonable point based on what others have been advising people struggling to heat their homes or put food on their tables.

    You really are petty. If I "trolled" your posts that I disagreed with you would have a decent number of troll points. You have been posting here for almost twenty years and yet you still haven't got the hang of how site etiquette works.

    I would prefer you to remove the flag, but I doubt you are big enough so to do.
    I won't take an lectures from a man who's happy to mock and press a bruise that's personal to me and my family then.

    I've told you about this before. If you persist in doing it then you deserve everything you get. And then you have the temerity to insult me on top as well.

    Away with you.

    Prat.
    Well if you are so thin skinned you better give me another handful of flags.
    Like you when autism comes up?
    You have no idea if I have ever flagged anyone.
    Oh yes I do
    No you don't!

    ( Perhaps we ought to stop this now. Shame about the flag though.)
  • po8crgpo8crg Posts: 27
    Have read that the lack of an endorsement in the letter was because it's an official government communication and the endorsement would be a violation of the Hatch Act.
  • People said Keir Starmer could never win.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,794

    Can I ask Casino why he has given me a "troll" for a perfectly reasonable comment on the last thread? TSE has mentioned before that the troll button is not simply an opportunity to dismiss posts one disagrees with.

    Because you were trolling, and that's what the button is for.

    Parents paying for independent schools are already making the sacrifices you describe, including ourselves, and your bunch of charlatans turning the thumbscrews will force them out entirely.
    No I wasn't. I made a perfectly reasonable point based on what others have been advising people struggling to heat their homes or put food on their tables.

    You really are petty. If I "trolled" your posts that I disagreed with you would have a decent number of troll points. You have been posting here for almost twenty years and yet you still haven't got the hang of how site etiquette works.

    I would prefer you to remove the flag, but I doubt you are big enough so to do.
    I won't take an lectures from a man who's happy to mock and press a bruise that's personal to me and my family then.

    I've told you about this before. If you persist in doing it then you deserve everything you get. And then you have the temerity to insult me on top as well.

    Away with you.

    Prat.
    Well if you are so thin skinned you better give me another handful of flags.
    Like you when autism comes up?
    I would bet a pound to a bottletop that every single one of us is on the autism spectrum and further down it than we would care to admit.
    I refer you to my previous posts about my disapproval of spectrum diagnoses. It may be the fashionable view to consider X as being on a spectrum, but this leads to people at one end being considered the same as another, with deleterious results. The concept of a threshold is important here.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480
    Roger said:

    American elections which specialise in the negative campaign must have every ad agency in the US queuing up. All the stuff that they couldn't use because of issues with their own candidate have disappeared into the ether.

    This should be a turkey shoot and hopefully a very funny one!

    This Kamala one from 2020 should give some idea of what to expect.

    https://x.com/harris_wins/status/1815093579078861256?t=DYcDr5leXRPMpogjNKzRHQ&s=19
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,772
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    WillG said:

    HYUFD said:

    Game, set and match Trump if the Democrats endorse Harris after Biden's withdrawal and follow his mistaken recommendation.

    Harris would lose all the rustbelt swing states Biden won in 2020 and probably lead the Democrats to their worst defeat in the Electoral College since Dukakis as well as losing the popular vote.

    Newsom would be just as bad, Democrats only hope now a rustbelt governor like Shapiro or Buttigieg

    Harris is a prosecutor that represents law and order against the convicted criminal leading the Republicans.
    John Kerry was also a prosecutor, fat lot of good it did him against Bush!
    Yes, but the contrast of being young and articulate vs dozy Donald will draw sharp attention to Trump also being too old and mentally unfit.

    It will send Trump wild to lose to a black female.
    Trump has charisma, Harris does not.

    Harris is the candidate of Hollywood, Silicon Valley and liberal lawyers as Hillary was, not the manufacturers and farmers and small business people Trump is (even Biden had more appeal to them as he showed in 2020)
    You read too much into the Harris/Hillary “not the candidate of the rust belt” thing, IMHO.

    Hillary Clinton won the popular vote and lost in the rust belt by very thin margins. The reason that happened was because she didn’t campaign in the right places and was too complacent, which has been written about at length.

    Harris must know the path to victory is through those states. She will not make the same mistake as Clinton. For all the people she might not enthuse, there may be others that Biden would have struggled to get out to vote e.g fired up voters who want to elect the first woman president or those worried about Biden’s faculties.

    At this stage, I find it impossible to call. It is simply too close.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706

    nico679 said:

    I think Harris stands a better chance of winning as the current VP rather than President . The first woman President might help and she will eviscerate Trump on the abortion issue .

    I can’t recall any specifics about Harris and abortion, so…

    Imagine that Harris is the nominee. And then the question lands.

    “Have you ever had an abortion?”

    It could be a sit own interview with 60 Minutes. It could be a question during a debate.

    Her answer is simple. “Yes”.

    What does that do to the race? How does that land in swing states? How does it land in any state? Does she explain the circumstance?

    Harris is a much more dangerous opponent for Trump. He cannot criticise her for actions or experiences from which he is precluded by virtue of… well… you know. He’s a bloke. He can’t have an abortion.

    We're not so sure about that up in Scotland.
  • Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Game, set and match Trump if the Democrats endorse Harris after Biden's withdrawal and follow his mistaken recommendation.

    Nurse! I’ve found him! He’s here.
    I don’t think that Harris can win.
    She can, but it is a difficult path. She has to energise and get out the female vote, and the young vote.

    A good Veep choice too. A balancing ticket from a Mid-West state probably.
    I think she'll go for the Governor of Kentucky, Andy Beshear.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,703

    rcs1000 said:

    I am going to create a list of PB's best irrationally over the top hatreds.

    @bigjohnowls and Starmer
    @Luckyguy1983 and Sunak
    @rcs1000 and Zac Goldsmith
    @HYUFD and Kamala Harris

    @CorrectHorseBattery and horses

    I’d have gone with people who object to 5G masts in urban areas, but hey…
    No one objects. (Edit: except for loons and conspiraloons *.)

    Just don't put them in the middle of the effing public highway.

    It's not much to ask, is it?

    * On topic: Has Chump ever said anything about 5G masts?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706

    Major betting post.

    Go all in on Kamala Harris beating Trump.




    https://x.com/drjennings/status/1815107447029108828

    I want to see if Jim Cramer thinks the same thi g as Mr Goodwin before betting on the opposite
    What we all need to know is what Robert Peston thinks.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Game, set and match Trump if the Democrats endorse Harris after Biden's withdrawal and follow his mistaken recommendation.

    Nurse! I’ve found him! He’s here.
    I don’t think that Harris can win.
    She can, but it is a difficult path. She has to energise and get out the female vote, and the young vote.

    A good Veep choice too. A balancing ticket from a Mid-West state probably.
    I think she'll go for the Governor of Kentucky, Andy Beshear.
    He would be by far the best choice - if he's willing. He may not be.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    rcs1000 said:

    I am going to create a list of PB's best irrationally over the top hatreds.

    @bigjohnowls and Starmer
    @Luckyguy1983 and Sunak
    @rcs1000 and Zac Goldsmith
    @HYUFD and Kamala Harris

    @Leon and the IrishNewent
    FTFY
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,548

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    Have you considered combining your profession with you avocation?

    As in, selling sandwiches by post? Just imagine - "Sandwich of the Week (Not Necessarily) Club"!
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,708

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    WillG said:

    Josh Shapiro, Andy Beshear and Pete Buttigieg would have to be the best VP picks.

    I would add Ossoff to the list.
    I would add Orlov to the list.

    A real match for Putin in Eastern Europe.
    General Orlov?

    https://youtu.be/x99njmZxaMA?si=3i8mRxtUE46hCgho
    That was a really good presentation - simple direct, no PowerPoint.

    That’s the way you should sell WWIII
    Nowadays you'd get death by powerpoint.
  • gettingbettergettingbetter Posts: 543
    Presumably Trump will have to debate with Harris a couple of times at least. That should help her.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I am going to create a list of PB's best irrationally over the top hatreds.

    @bigjohnowls and Starmer
    @Luckyguy1983 and Sunak
    @rcs1000 and Zac Goldsmith
    @HYUFD and Kamala Harris

    @Leon and the IrishNewent
    FTFY
    Or for that matter the magnificent early 19th century town planning of Wick, on a parallel with Bath. (Not surprising, as the same chap was involved in both.)
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,874

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    WillG said:

    HYUFD said:

    Game, set and match Trump if the Democrats endorse Harris after Biden's withdrawal and follow his mistaken recommendation.

    Harris would lose all the rustbelt swing states Biden won in 2020 and probably lead the Democrats to their worst defeat in the Electoral College since Dukakis as well as losing the popular vote.

    Newsom would be just as bad, Democrats only hope now a rustbelt governor like Shapiro or Buttigieg

    Harris is a prosecutor that represents law and order against the convicted criminal leading the Republicans.
    John Kerry was also a prosecutor, fat lot of good it did him against Bush!
    Yes, but the contrast of being young and articulate vs dozy Donald will draw sharp attention to Trump also being too old and mentally unfit.

    It will send Trump wild to lose to a black female.
    Trump has charisma, Harris does not.

    Harris is the candidate of Hollywood, Silicon Valley and liberal lawyers as Hillary was, not the manufacturers and farmers and small business people Trump is (even Biden had more appeal to them as he showed in 2020)
    You read too much into the Harris/Hillary “not the candidate of the rust belt” thing, IMHO.

    Hillary Clinton won the popular vote and lost in the rust belt by very thin margins. The reason that happened was because she didn’t campaign in the right places and was too complacent, which has been written about at length.

    Harris must know the path to victory is through those states. She will not make the same mistake as Clinton. For all the people she might not enthuse, there may be others that Biden would have struggled to get out to vote e.g fired up voters who want to elect the first woman president or those worried about Biden’s faculties.

    At this stage, I find it impossible to call. It is simply too close.
    Now all we need is for Trump to pop his clogs and head off to hell, to turn the markets over again.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513
    Joe Biden has earned his place among the best and most consequential presidents in American history.

    I am so proud to serve under his leadership, and thankful for his unwavering focus on what is best for our country.

    https://x.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1815091325772935356
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,548
    Stereodog said:

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    That sounds frankly delicious and has made me want to make something similar. Being chronically cheap I'd find it hard to buy the expensive tuna though.
    Some less pricey alternatives . . . in the pet food aisle . . .

    Also some MORE expensive!
  • DoubleCarpetDoubleCarpet Posts: 863
    DavidL said:

    Major betting post.

    Go all in on Kamala Harris beating Trump.




    https://x.com/drjennings/status/1815107447029108828

    I want to see if Jim Cramer thinks the same thi g as Mr Goodwin before betting on the opposite
    What we all need to know is what Robert Peston thinks.
    The same Robert Peston who was the only weak link on ITV's election night coverage?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,177
    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I am going to create a list of PB's best irrationally over the top hatreds.

    @bigjohnowls and Starmer
    @Luckyguy1983 and Sunak
    @rcs1000 and Zac Goldsmith
    @HYUFD and Kamala Harris

    @CorrectHorseBattery and horses

    I’d have gone with people who object to 5G masts in urban areas, but hey…
    No one objects. (Edit: except for loons and conspiraloons *.)

    Just don't put them in the middle of the effing public highway.

    It's not much to ask, is it?

    * On topic: Has Chump ever said anything about 5G masts?
    Loons from Bath

    https://bathecho.co.uk/news/community/5g-pilot-go-bath-despite-opposition-106592/#:~:text=343%20people%20had%20objected%20to,urged%20councillors%20to%20refuse%20it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    This is going to so annoy those Wikipedia editors who have been adamant that the 1956 election was the last rematch until 2024.

    They really got angry when their edits were reverted with others pointing out that we didn't know for sure Biden and Trump would be the nominees.
  • ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Game, set and match Trump if the Democrats endorse Harris after Biden's withdrawal and follow his mistaken recommendation.

    Nurse! I’ve found him! He’s here.
    I don’t think that Harris can win.
    She can, but it is a difficult path. She has to energise and get out the female vote, and the young vote.

    A good Veep choice too. A balancing ticket from a Mid-West state probably.
    I think she'll go for the Governor of Kentucky, Andy Beshear.
    He would be by far the best choice - if he's willing. He may not be.
    I think he would be. If he wins, he's in a very good position in 2032 (when he'll be in his mid-50s). If he loses but goes down swinging, he's reasonably well placed for 2028.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190

    Actually, a great number of people saying that Harris is doomed here today, were the same people that were projecting a decade of Johnson in 2021 and 2022.

    I am not making a prediction - but politics is febrile and unpredictable.

    Indeed, the Venn diagram is almost a single circle.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,708

    "The Democrat [sic] civil war is hotting up."

    In the dreams of Donald Trump, his fluffers and fellow MAGA-maniacs. Strait from Mar-a-Lardo spin cycle.

    I don't know, in the eyes of this Trump sceptic looking at the current odds, a bit of a fight within the Democratic party might be a good thing.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586

    rcs1000 said:

    I am going to create a list of PB's best irrationally over the top hatreds.

    @bigjohnowls and Starmer
    @Luckyguy1983 and Sunak
    @rcs1000 and Zac Goldsmith
    @HYUFD and Kamala Harris

    @malcolmg and turnips.
    @malcolmg adores cask strength turnip juice
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994

    Roger said:

    American elections which specialise in the negative campaign must have every ad agency in the US queuing up. All the stuff that they couldn't use because of issues with their own candidate have disappeared into the ether.

    This should be a turkey shoot and hopefully a very funny one!

    Classic Rogerdamus.
    Advertising is one thing he does know about, though.
    He's worth it for following tips on the Oscars. The only exception.

    Why? Because it's full of people who think exactly like him.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639

    Stereodog said:

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    That sounds frankly delicious and has made me want to make something similar. Being chronically cheap I'd find it hard to buy the expensive tuna though.
    Some less pricey alternatives . . . in the pet food aisle . . .

    Also some MORE expensive!
    Sainsbury's Delicious Recipes Tuna Whole Loin in Jelly Adult 1+ Years 70g. Only 85p. Yum.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,205

    People said Keir Starmer could never win.

    He wasn't doing well against Boris - Boris! - until Boris exploded both himself and the Conservative Party. Remember that within the last parliament, we were discussing which Labour MPs would move over to the Tories...

    And I think the GE shows that, as a very generalised point, the Conservatives lost the election, rather than Starmer winning it. This should be a concern for Labour supporters going forward.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 426
    edited July 21

    nico679 said:

    I think Harris stands a better chance of winning as the current VP rather than President . The first woman President might help and she will eviscerate Trump on the abortion issue .

    I can’t recall any specifics about Harris and abortion, so…

    Imagine that Harris is the nominee. And then the question lands.

    “Have you ever had an abortion?”

    It could be a sit own interview with 60 Minutes. It could be a question during a debate.

    Her answer is simple. “Yes”.

    What does that do to the race? How does that land in swing states? How does it land in any state? Does she explain the circumstance?

    Harris is a much more dangerous opponent for Trump. He cannot criticise her for actions or experiences from which he is precluded by virtue of… well… you know. He’s a bloke. He can’t have an abortion.

    I can't see any bookmaker giving you odds on whether Trump has been the other party in an abortion.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I am going to create a list of PB's best irrationally over the top hatreds.

    @bigjohnowls and Starmer
    @Luckyguy1983 and Sunak
    @rcs1000 and Zac Goldsmith
    @HYUFD and Kamala Harris

    @CorrectHorseBattery and horses

    I’d have gone with people who object to 5G masts in urban areas, but hey…
    No one objects. (Edit: except for loons and conspiraloons *.)

    Just don't put them in the middle of the effing public highway.

    It's not much to ask, is it?

    * On topic: Has Chump ever said anything about 5G masts?
    Loons from Bath

    https://bathecho.co.uk/news/community/5g-pilot-go-bath-despite-opposition-106592/#:~:text=343%20people%20had%20objected%20to,urged%20councillors%20to%20refuse%20it.
    There were a load of twats in Stroud saying much the same thing twelve months ago.

    Something had clearly addled their tiny brains which was ironic given they were afraid 5g would harm them!
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,593

    Actually, a great number of people saying that Harris is doomed here today, were the same people that were projecting a decade of Johnson in 2021 and 2022.

    I am not making a prediction - but politics is febrile and unpredictable.

    Trump remains the favourite. But he is no longer the shoo-in he was 24 hours ago. The race becomes about him again, rather than Biden. And there was a lot said at the GOP Convention last week that will concern Independents in the US - women especially.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,320

    "The Democrat [sic] civil war is hotting up."

    In the dreams of Donald Trump, his fluffers and fellow MAGA-maniacs. Strait from Mar-a-Lardo spin cycle.

    That's a terrible accusation to make against Nancy Pelosi.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513
    Reaction just in from Moscow on the Biden announcement:
    https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1815095771093688351
  • DoubleCarpetDoubleCarpet Posts: 863

    People said Keir Starmer could never win.

    Although maybe not this close to the election.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,167
    A couple of years ago it looked like the future would be Boris Johnson and Donald Trump. Now it could be Keir Starmer and Kamala Harris.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,696

    nico679 said:

    I think Harris stands a better chance of winning as the current VP rather than President . The first woman President might help and she will eviscerate Trump on the abortion issue .

    I can’t recall any specifics about Harris and abortion, so…

    Imagine that Harris is the nominee. And then the question lands.

    “Have you ever had an abortion?”

    It could be a sit own interview with 60 Minutes. It could be a question during a debate.

    Her answer is simple. “Yes”.

    What does that do to the race? How does that land in swing states? How does it land in any state? Does she explain the circumstance?

    Harris is a much more dangerous opponent for Trump. He cannot criticise her for actions or experiences from which he is precluded by virtue of… well… you know. He’s a bloke. He can’t have an abortion.

    1 in 3 women in the UK have had an abortion. I don’t know the US figures, but it is a very common procedure.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,874
    DavidL said:

    Major betting post.

    Go all in on Kamala Harris beating Trump.




    https://x.com/drjennings/status/1815107447029108828

    I want to see if Jim Cramer thinks the same thi g as Mr Goodwin before betting on the opposite
    What we all need to know is what Robert Peston thinks.
    Robert Peston thinks? Well, they say you learn something new every day, but I wasn’t expecting that!
  • viewcode said:

    Can I ask Casino why he has given me a "troll" for a perfectly reasonable comment on the last thread? TSE has mentioned before that the troll button is not simply an opportunity to dismiss posts one disagrees with.

    Because you were trolling, and that's what the button is for.

    Parents paying for independent schools are already making the sacrifices you describe, including ourselves, and your bunch of charlatans turning the thumbscrews will force them out entirely.
    No I wasn't. I made a perfectly reasonable point based on what others have been advising people struggling to heat their homes or put food on their tables.

    You really are petty. If I "trolled" your posts that I disagreed with you would have a decent number of troll points. You have been posting here for almost twenty years and yet you still haven't got the hang of how site etiquette works.

    I would prefer you to remove the flag, but I doubt you are big enough so to do.
    I won't take an lectures from a man who's happy to mock and press a bruise that's personal to me and my family then.

    I've told you about this before. If you persist in doing it then you deserve everything you get. And then you have the temerity to insult me on top as well.

    Away with you.

    Prat.
    Well if you are so thin skinned you better give me another handful of flags.
    Like you when autism comes up?
    I would bet a pound to a bottletop that every single one of us is on the autism spectrum and further down it than we would care to admit.
    I refer you to my previous posts about my disapproval of spectrum diagnoses. It may be the fashionable view to consider X as being on a spectrum, but this leads to people at one end being considered the same as another, with deleterious results. The concept of a threshold is important here.
    There is a threshold above which there is serious disability yes, but there is also a big zone between that and so-called normality (crudely speaking what was called Aspergers until he got Godwined).

    Personally speaking I think without Autistic people we would all still be living in caves. Think Brunel, Babbage and Bazelgette.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,548
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Game, set and match Trump if the Democrats endorse Harris after Biden's withdrawal and follow his mistaken recommendation.

    Nurse! I’ve found him! He’s here.
    I don’t think that Harris can win.
    She can, but it is a difficult path. She has to energise and get out the female vote, and the young vote.

    A good Veep choice too. A balancing ticket from a Mid-West state probably.
    I think she'll go for the Governor of Kentucky, Andy Beshear.
    He would be by far the best choice - if he's willing. He may not be.
    Why is Andy Beshear "by far the best choice"? I like the guy, but not thinking what you're thinking.
  • Actually, a great number of people saying that Harris is doomed here today, were the same people that were projecting a decade of Johnson in 2021 and 2022.

    I am not making a prediction - but politics is febrile and unpredictable.

    Indeed, the Venn diagram is almost a single circle.
    The way you've been flagged is a disgrace Pete, with a few certain users targeting you for no apparent reason. Attacks on your family especially with regards to autism and other things are really awful to see. You have my full support.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994

    People said Keir Starmer could never win.

    Did they?

    I think we all thought he'd win, we just didn't think it'd be built on much and the debate was on how long.

    However, given the ongoing shitshow in The Conservative Party I may have to revise my view that he might only last one term.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706

    DavidL said:

    Major betting post.

    Go all in on Kamala Harris beating Trump.




    https://x.com/drjennings/status/1815107447029108828

    I want to see if Jim Cramer thinks the same thi g as Mr Goodwin before betting on the opposite
    What we all need to know is what Robert Peston thinks.
    Robert Peston thinks? Well, they say you learn something new every day, but I wasn’t expecting that!
    I love your pedantry. What Robert Peston utters then.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Game, set and match Trump if the Democrats endorse Harris after Biden's withdrawal and follow his mistaken recommendation.

    Nurse! I’ve found him! He’s here.
    I don’t think that Harris can win.
    She can, but it is a difficult path. She has to energise and get out the female vote, and the young vote.

    A good Veep choice too. A balancing ticket from a Mid-West state probably.
    I think she'll go for the Governor of Kentucky, Andy Beshear.
    He would be by far the best choice - if he's willing. He may not be.
    I think he would be. If he wins, he's in a very good position in 2032 (when he'll be in his mid-50s). If he loses but goes down swinging, he's reasonably well placed for 2028.
    If he is ambitious for the Presidency, yes.

    The thing is, I'm not sure he is. He genuinely does seem to be more focussed on Kentucky and not especially interested in national politics. And I know they all *say* that but he acts as though he means it. Unlike, say, Newsom or Cuomo.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,965

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    Mayonnaise.

    We're not American.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480

    nico679 said:

    I think Harris stands a better chance of winning as the current VP rather than President . The first woman President might help and she will eviscerate Trump on the abortion issue .

    I can’t recall any specifics about Harris and abortion, so…

    Imagine that Harris is the nominee. And then the question lands.

    “Have you ever had an abortion?”

    It could be a sit own interview with 60 Minutes. It could be a question during a debate.

    Her answer is simple. “Yes”.

    What does that do to the race? How does that land in swing states? How does it land in any state? Does she explain the circumstance?

    Harris is a much more dangerous opponent for Trump. He cannot criticise her for actions or experiences from which he is precluded by virtue of… well… you know. He’s a bloke. He can’t have an abortion.

    1 in 3 women in the UK have had an abortion. I don’t know the US figures, but it is a very common procedure.
    In addition Trump has been very evasive over whether any of his girlfriends or mistresses have had abortions.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231
    ...
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    WillG said:

    Josh Shapiro, Andy Beshear and Pete Buttigieg would have to be the best VP picks.

    I would add Ossoff to the list.
    I would add Orlov to the list.

    A real match for Putin in Eastern Europe.
    General Orlov?

    https://youtu.be/x99njmZxaMA?si=3i8mRxtUE46hCgho
    TIMID and outdated policies!

    classic. :lol:

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    Oh, political betting.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639

    nico679 said:

    I think Harris stands a better chance of winning as the current VP rather than President . The first woman President might help and she will eviscerate Trump on the abortion issue .

    I can’t recall any specifics about Harris and abortion, so…

    Imagine that Harris is the nominee. And then the question lands.

    “Have you ever had an abortion?”

    It could be a sit own interview with 60 Minutes. It could be a question during a debate.

    Her answer is simple. “Yes”.

    What does that do to the race? How does that land in swing states? How does it land in any state? Does she explain the circumstance?

    Harris is a much more dangerous opponent for Trump. He cannot criticise her for actions or experiences from which he is precluded by virtue of… well… you know. He’s a bloke. He can’t have an abortion.

    1 in 3 women in the UK have had an abortion. I don’t know the US figures, but it is a very common procedure.
    Especially as a morning-after pill would count.

    But isn't the question both hypothetical and intrusive, even on here?
  • MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I am going to create a list of PB's best irrationally over the top hatreds.

    @bigjohnowls and Starmer
    @Luckyguy1983 and Sunak
    @rcs1000 and Zac Goldsmith
    @HYUFD and Kamala Harris

    @CorrectHorseBattery and horses

    I’d have gone with people who object to 5G masts in urban areas, but hey…
    No one objects. (Edit: except for loons and conspiraloons *.)

    Just don't put them in the middle of the effing public highway.

    It's not much to ask, is it?

    * On topic: Has Chump ever said anything about 5G masts?
    Loons from Bath

    https://bathecho.co.uk/news/community/5g-pilot-go-bath-despite-opposition-106592/#:~:text=343%20people%20had%20objected%20to,urged%20councillors%20to%20refuse%20it.
    The chap in Bath was quite sane until he bought a second hand sofa, sat on it and looked behind the cushion. Never the same again
  • AbandonedHopeAbandonedHope Posts: 144
    DavidL said:

    nico679 said:

    I think Harris stands a better chance of winning as the current VP rather than President . The first woman President might help and she will eviscerate Trump on the abortion issue .

    I can’t recall any specifics about Harris and abortion, so…

    Imagine that Harris is the nominee. And then the question lands.

    “Have you ever had an abortion?”

    It could be a sit own interview with 60 Minutes. It could be a question during a debate.

    Her answer is simple. “Yes”.

    What does that do to the race? How does that land in swing states? How does it land in any state? Does she explain the circumstance?

    Harris is a much more dangerous opponent for Trump. He cannot criticise her for actions or experiences from which he is precluded by virtue of… well… you know. He’s a bloke. He can’t have an abortion.

    We're not so sure about that up in Scotland.
    Wrong on so many levels and yet 😂😂😂
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513
    The election is now, of course, prosecutor versus felon.
  • People said Keir Starmer could never win.

    Did they?

    I think we all thought he'd win, we just didn't think it'd be built on much and the debate was on how long.

    However, given the ongoing shitshow in The Conservative Party I may have to revise my view that he might only last one term.
    Virtually nobody here said he would win in 2021. I recall many - don't know if you did - saying he should resign.

    I am just saying a lot of these people are now saying Harris won't win.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,548
    Nigelb said:

    The election is now, of course, prosecutor versus felon.

    There goes the Irish vote!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480

    People said Keir Starmer could never win.

    Did they?

    I think we all thought he'd win, we just didn't think it'd be built on much and the debate was on how long.

    However, given the ongoing shitshow in The Conservative Party I may have to revise my view that he might only last one term.
    They did until the fall of Johnson then Truss. After that it looked nailed on.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,707

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    WillG said:

    HYUFD said:

    Game, set and match Trump if the Democrats endorse Harris after Biden's withdrawal and follow his mistaken recommendation.

    Harris would lose all the rustbelt swing states Biden won in 2020 and probably lead the Democrats to their worst defeat in the Electoral College since Dukakis as well as losing the popular vote.

    Newsom would be just as bad, Democrats only hope now a rustbelt governor like Shapiro or Buttigieg

    Harris is a prosecutor that represents law and order against the convicted criminal leading the Republicans.
    John Kerry was also a prosecutor, fat lot of good it did him against Bush!
    Yes, but the contrast of being young and articulate vs dozy Donald will draw sharp attention to Trump also being too old and mentally unfit.

    It will send Trump wild to lose to a black female.
    Trump has charisma, Harris does not.

    Harris is the candidate of Hollywood, Silicon Valley and liberal lawyers as Hillary was, not the manufacturers and farmers and small business people Trump is (even Biden had more appeal to them as he showed in 2020)
    You read too much into the Harris/Hillary “not the candidate of the rust belt” thing, IMHO.

    Hillary Clinton won the popular vote and lost in the rust belt by very thin margins. The reason that happened was because she didn’t campaign in the right places and was too complacent, which has been written about at length.

    Harris must know the path to victory is through those states. She will not make the same mistake as Clinton. For all the people she might not enthuse, there may be others that Biden would have struggled to get out to vote e.g fired up voters who want to elect the first woman president or those worried about Biden’s faculties.

    At this stage, I find it impossible to call. It is simply too close.
    Also, Trump is now also the darling of the SV VC's. A16Y and Thiel are all on board with team Trump these days.

    Coincidentally, they stand to make a boat-load of money if he follows through on his campaign policies.

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    edited July 21

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    Mayonnaise.

    We're not American.
    Bugger that, what's wrong with British salad cream?

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,794

    viewcode said:

    Can I ask Casino why he has given me a "troll" for a perfectly reasonable comment on the last thread? TSE has mentioned before that the troll button is not simply an opportunity to dismiss posts one disagrees with.

    Because you were trolling, and that's what the button is for.

    Parents paying for independent schools are already making the sacrifices you describe, including ourselves, and your bunch of charlatans turning the thumbscrews will force them out entirely.
    No I wasn't. I made a perfectly reasonable point based on what others have been advising people struggling to heat their homes or put food on their tables.

    You really are petty. If I "trolled" your posts that I disagreed with you would have a decent number of troll points. You have been posting here for almost twenty years and yet you still haven't got the hang of how site etiquette works.

    I would prefer you to remove the flag, but I doubt you are big enough so to do.
    I won't take an lectures from a man who's happy to mock and press a bruise that's personal to me and my family then.

    I've told you about this before. If you persist in doing it then you deserve everything you get. And then you have the temerity to insult me on top as well.

    Away with you.

    Prat.
    Well if you are so thin skinned you better give me another handful of flags.
    Like you when autism comes up?
    I would bet a pound to a bottletop that every single one of us is on the autism spectrum and further down it than we would care to admit.
    I refer you to my previous posts about my disapproval of spectrum diagnoses. It may be the fashionable view to consider X as being on a spectrum, but this leads to people at one end being considered the same as another, with deleterious results. The concept of a threshold is important here.
    There is a threshold above which there is serious disability yes, but there is also a big zone between that and so-called normality (crudely speaking what was called Aspergers until he got Godwined).

    Personally speaking I think without Autistic people we would all still be living in caves. Think Brunel, Babbage and Bazelgette.
    Well yesss, but I think that gray zone you are talking about should count as normal human variation. We cant (and shouldn't) medicalise everything.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,412

    I want to talk about tuna mayo sandwiches

    I've just had my mail route changed. I've gone from a town route where Waitrose sold me sandwiches half way round my day, to a rural route where I need to make my own

    I've been making myself the best tuna mayo sandwiches

    I buy decent tinned tuna. Either Ortiz from Spain or Rio Mare from Italy. I think these cost about double the Waitrose own tins, but it's so worth it: the tuna is pink or white, not brown. And the flavour seems to somehow match the colour. Has to be well drained

    I dice, quite finely, salad onions, cucumber and celery into the mix. I'm not a fan of raw celery; I can't imagine wanting to eat a bare, raw stick of it. But it adds a nice complimentary flavour to the tuna salad mix

    More importantly the celery adds crunch. I think I learnt this from Frank Barone on Everybody Loves Raymond - without the crunch of celery, it's tuna slop

    I then add loads of parsley and chives. I try to make up for the fact that these two glorious tasting herbs have been wasted as garnish for as long as I can remember

    Then a dash of Dijon, and enough mayo to make it spread

    I like it best in a fresh, buttered baguette

    I make much better and a bit cheaper sandwiches than Waitrose

    Try horseradish instead of Dijon. Horseradish with certain fish is magnificent. Perfect with mackerel, new potatoes and beetroot weirdly.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    Oh, political betting.
    Foxy said:

    People said Keir Starmer could never win.

    Did they?

    I think we all thought he'd win, we just didn't think it'd be built on much and the debate was on how long.

    However, given the ongoing shitshow in The Conservative Party I may have to revise my view that he might only last one term.
    They did until the fall of Johnson then Truss. After that it looked nailed on.
    I don't remember that. I do recall many saying a decade of Johnson was ridiculous even in 2021.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,696
    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Game, set and match Trump if the Democrats endorse Harris after Biden's withdrawal and follow his mistaken recommendation.

    Nurse! I’ve found him! He’s here.
    I don’t think that Harris can win.
    I have no idea what will happen, but I very much hope you are wrong. I don’t know that the US can survive Trump’s return. He will be disastrous for the UK, in between undermining NATO and imposing import tariffs, as well as generally eroding the whole system of Western democracy.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,273
    Obama pays tribute to Biden but notably refuses to endorse Harris to succeed him as nominee. Makes clear he wants an open nomination process at the convention.

    'This outstanding track record gave President Biden every right to run for re-election and finish the job he started. Joe understands
    better than anyone the stakes in this election — how everything he has fought for throughout his life, and everything that the Democratic Party stands for, will be at risk if we allow Donald Trump back in the White House and give Republicans control of Congress.
    I also know Joe has never backed down from a fight. For him to look at the political landscape and decide that he should pass the torch to a new nominee is surely one of the toughest in his life. But I know he wouldn’t make this decision unless he believed it was right for America. It’s a testament to Joe Biden’s love of country — and a historic example of a genuine public servant once again putting the interests of the American people ahead of his own that future generations of leaders will do well to follow.

    Finally, Obama hints that he would like there to be an open nomination process at the Democratic convention scheduled to be held in Chicago in August:

    We will be navigating uncharted waters in the days ahead. But I have extraordinary confidence that the leaders of our party will be able to create a process from which an outstanding nominee emerges. I believe that Joe Biden’s vision of a generous, prosperous, and united America that provides opportunity for everyone will be on full display at the Democratic Convention in August. And I expect that every single one of us are prepared to carry that message of hope and progress forward into November and beyond.'
    https://x.com/BarackObama/status/1815110737095721109
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