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No, the EU is doing badly.rcs1000 said:
The funny bit is that, while the EU isn't doing very well, it isn't doing that badly either. It's just that the UK has done so well that is driving them insane.SeaShantyIrish2 said:From Maclean's Politics Insider:
"Canada was expecting four million doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine by the end of March, and—despite mounting evidence that such a number probably won't be reached—the feds are sticking with it.
Multiple sources across various levels of government confirmed that the true number will be closer to 3.5 million—about 500,000 short.
The situation has gotten serious enough that Pfizer has requested Health Canada approve administrators squeezing six injections out of each vial of vaccine instead of five. But Maj.-Gen. Dany Fortin insists Pfizer is still planning to fulfill its complete promise come springtime.
Meanwhile, Canada has dropped several places globally in per-capita vaccine distribution: we now rank 20th, behind Bahrain, Denmark, Germany, Israel, Italy, Malta, Portugal, Romania, Slovenia, Spain and the United Arab Emirates, among others. According to an analysis by The Economist, Canada won't see widespread vaccination until mid-2022."
Canada, according to my source (friend in Alberta whom I talk to weekly) is a shitshow - but according to latest available stats its vaccination rate is 2.41 per 100 people. The EU average is 2.50, and the best performing of the large EU states, Italy, is at 3.0.
Only five countries in the world have rates of 10 or above. The US, Serbia and Malta are now over 5. Everybody else is still stuck on the floor.0 -
Ask a non dumb question and I might answer it. That would be like me asking how's you're 'principled' stand that Boris is not fit to lead the country or the Tory party going?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You have not answered my questionTheuniondivvie said:
You're quite petulant under the harmless old chuff veneer, ain't you?Big_G_NorthWales said:
How is Nicola Sturgeon's love affair with the EU going thenTheuniondivvie said:
Not like Sky, eh?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Why when he tells the truthbigjohnowls said:
How're the in-laws descended from 300 generations of fisherfolk doing with BJ's fantastic deal for fishing?
And 23 million now for the fishing industry loses, plus 100 million investment to develop UK wide fishing over the next five years is far better than being in the CFP and under the ridiculous EU, who have trashed their brand in a way that was totally unexpected
The newspaper that has served the NE of Scotland and the fishing industry for decades obviously doesn't have your level of expertise I know, but...
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Reckon that Boris Johnson is more likely to be taking afternoon naps these days than Joe Biden.FrancisUrquhart said:When Uncle Joe gets up from his afternoon nap, I wonder what he will think.about all of this. EU messing with a US company and the Irish border.
He (BoJo not Uncle Joe) sure looks like he needs 'em.1 -
If I ever make it back to London, we should go for a drink and I'll introduce you my friend. You guys can swap Varoufakis stories. In summary, she thinks he's not just an idiot, but also a cunt, and that his attempts to play "game theory" with the IMF were ... not good.MaxPB said:
I know a guy who worked with him at Valve...rcs1000 said:
Hmmmm: I know several people who worked at the IMF, and their views on Varoufakis are unprintable.Leon said:
Varoufakis - a smart guy - was one of the few senior EU politicians who said he understood Brexit and thought it justifiable, even though he preferred Britain to Remanrottenborough said:Anyone else starting to feel like how the Greeks felt according to Varoufakis?
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Evening all
The most encouraging aspect of today's figures is the reduction of the numbers in hospital which is the lagging indicator from the numbers of cases which have halved from the worst part of this phase of the virus.
29,000 new positives is still a big number compared with what was being reported in the summer when admittedly the tracing regime isn't what it is now but it shows the lockdown restrictions are having the desired effect.
I noticed on my lunchtime constitutional the local testing centre with plenty waiting to test and nobody being tested. Perhaps this is another indication of a falling case load as no one is coming through with symptoms.
We are moving in the right direction but there's still a way to go yet.0 -
I see the DUP wanted to invoke Article 16 as recently as 7/1/21
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-northern-ireland-dup-article-16-b1783221.html
Now apparently its "an incredible act of hostility"
DUP really fucked up over BREXIT when they overplayed their hand.0 -
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If it means he is more effective, all the better. If Biden needs them at some point, no problem.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Reckon that Boris Johnson is more likely to be taking afternoon naps these days than Joe Biden.FrancisUrquhart said:When Uncle Joe gets up from his afternoon nap, I wonder what he will think.about all of this. EU messing with a US company and the Irish border.
He (BoJo not Uncle Joe) sure looks like he needs 'em.1 -
No.rottenborough said:Anyone else starting to feel like how the Greeks felt according to Varoufakis?
Because unlike the Greeks, who the the EU had over a barrel, we're in pole position as we have the vaccines (and many more to come) - And the EU knows it!2 -
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29k is more than 25% down week on week despite a 14% increase in number of tests - this week the percentage decline has been accelerating off the very stable path it had been on - good reason to be optimistic we're seeing the vaccine start to have an impact.stodge said:Evening all
The most encouraging aspect of today's figures is the reduction of the numbers in hospital which is the lagging indicator from the numbers of cases which have halved from the worst part of this phase of the virus.
29,000 new positives is still a big number compared with what was being reported in the summer when admittedly the tracing regime isn't what it is now but it shows the lockdown restrictions are having the desired effect.
I noticed on my lunchtime constitutional the local testing centre with plenty waiting to test and nobody being tested. Perhaps this is another indication of a falling case load as no one is coming through with symptoms.
We are moving in the right direction but there's still a way to go yet.0 -
Let me turn it around, microstates, Israel, the UK and the US are doing well.Black_Rook said:
No, the EU is doing badly.rcs1000 said:
The funny bit is that, while the EU isn't doing very well, it isn't doing that badly either. It's just that the UK has done so well that is driving them insane.SeaShantyIrish2 said:From Maclean's Politics Insider:
"Canada was expecting four million doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine by the end of March, and—despite mounting evidence that such a number probably won't be reached—the feds are sticking with it.
Multiple sources across various levels of government confirmed that the true number will be closer to 3.5 million—about 500,000 short.
The situation has gotten serious enough that Pfizer has requested Health Canada approve administrators squeezing six injections out of each vial of vaccine instead of five. But Maj.-Gen. Dany Fortin insists Pfizer is still planning to fulfill its complete promise come springtime.
Meanwhile, Canada has dropped several places globally in per-capita vaccine distribution: we now rank 20th, behind Bahrain, Denmark, Germany, Israel, Italy, Malta, Portugal, Romania, Slovenia, Spain and the United Arab Emirates, among others. According to an analysis by The Economist, Canada won't see widespread vaccination until mid-2022."
Canada, according to my source (friend in Alberta whom I talk to weekly) is a shitshow - but according to latest available stats its vaccination rate is 2.41 per 100 people. The EU average is 2.50, and the best performing of the large EU states, Italy, is at 3.0.
Only five countries in the world have rates of 10 or above. The US, Serbia and Malta are now over 5. Everybody else is still stuck on the floor.
Then there are a bunch of countries in that 2-3 doses per 100 people, the EU, Canada, Switzerland, Norway. Then there are countries like Japan, Russia and China that are doing even less well.
My point is that if we weren't doing (relatively) well, then there would be a lot less pressure on the EU.0 -
Sorry but there's just no way that Joe Biden is going to side with us against the EU. Not a hope. We are on our own, and that's fine. Let's just get on with.Time_to_Leave said:
“Plus, sorry Joe but we’ve decided to interfere with your flagship vaccine policy and prevent you hitting your numbers, whilst cosying up to China - you’ll still be best friends with us in the EU though right?”Leon said:
That is utterly stupefying. I presume they didn't tell Irish-American president Biden either, that the EU is gonna build a wall around Ulster, after allkle4 said:
Hang on, did the Commission not at least run it by him first?CarlottaVance said:0 -
I think a six month gap is way too pessimistic. Every month global vaccine production rises. Every month more vaccines are approved.maaarsh said:
We're pretty much in the same pack as Italy, France & Spain - given current Vaccine trends it's not unreasonable to predict this is a 14 month plague for us and a 20 month plague for them - would be quite surprised if that doesn't feed in to the end result.kle4 said:
Given the likely possibility that the UK death rate at the end of all this will still be higher than most if not all EU members, and everyone's love of simplistic analysis, I suspect that alone will mean the failings of the vaccination phase will be downplayed in the halls of the Commission. Someone close by will be worse overall, therefore nothing to see here.rcs1000 said:The real test for the EU is whether heads roll at the top: if the European Parliament is able to secure some resignations from those responsible, that would be a positive step.
If, on the other hand, failure is ignored and waved away, then that bodes ill.
I think we're "done" (as in the number of vaccinations starts to drop and cases are sub 1,000/day) by the end of April, and I expect the EU to be broadly there by the end of June/July.0 -
Remember all those tweets comparing their appearances?kle4 said:
Yes, but she's classier, so it's all good.MaxPB said:
That makes her seem like the German version of Boris. She goes into a job, promises a whole bunch of grandiose sounding bullshit, fucks it all up and then let's the next person fix everything.CarlottaVance said:Commission President Ursula von der Leyen Seeking to Duck Responsibility
European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen is trying to get out of the firing line as anger grows over the EU's botched vaccine rollout. It's not the first time in her career that she has sought to evade responsibility.
https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/europe-s-vaccine-disaster-commission-president-ursula-von-der-leyen-seeking-to-duck-responsibility-a-1197547d-6219-4438-9d69-b76e64701802-amp?__twitter_impression=true0 -
No one is in favour of the other side invoking it.bigjohnowls said:I see the DUP wanted to invoke Article 16 as recently as 7/1/21
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-northern-ireland-dup-article-16-b1783221.html
Now apparently its "an incredible act of hostility"
DUP really fucked up over BREXIT when they overplayed their hand.
So...does that mean they cannot impose the ban as they intended?CarlottaVance said:1 -
Switzerland and Norway both had the financial wherewithal to go the Israeli (or British) route, but did not. Their politicians will likely pay the price.Burgessian said:Lesson seems to be that small offshore members of the EU (say with populations of c.5m) stand to be shafted when the EU big boys are inconvenienced.
Where's Carnyx and Union Divvie when you need them?0 -
LOL. Who is breaking international law now?CarlottaVance said:3 -
I presume the NYT will penning a article shortly explaining to their American readers how the total balls up by the EU over vaccine procurement is all the UKs fault.6
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Me, but keep that quiet, I don't want to get in trouble.RobD said:
LOL. Who is breaking international law now?CarlottaVance said:3 -
I'm sure he won't comment but can't imagine JB will be very impressed by the EU's actions in Ireland...Luckyguy1983 said:
Sorry but there's just no way that Joe Biden is going to side with us against the EU. Not a hope. We are on our own, and that's fine. Let's just get on with.Time_to_Leave said:
“Plus, sorry Joe but we’ve decided to interfere with your flagship vaccine policy and prevent you hitting your numbers, whilst cosying up to China - you’ll still be best friends with us in the EU though right?”Leon said:
That is utterly stupefying. I presume they didn't tell Irish-American president Biden either, that the EU is gonna build a wall around Ulster, after allkle4 said:
Hang on, did the Commission not at least run it by him first?CarlottaVance said:0 -
Should be easy, the EU Justice Commissioner has already explained that the problem is the UK wants a vaccine war because it won't show solidarity.FrancisUrquhart said:I presume the NYT will penning a article shortly explaining to their American readers how the total balls uo by the EU over vaccine procurement is all the UKs fault.
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Oh man, that sounds eerily familiar.rcs1000 said:
If I ever make it back to London, we should go for a drink and I'll introduce you my friend. You guys can swap Varoufakis stories. In summary, she thinks he's not just an idiot, but also a cunt, and that his attempts to play "game theory" with the IMF were ... not good.MaxPB said:
I know a guy who worked with him at Valve...rcs1000 said:
Hmmmm: I know several people who worked at the IMF, and their views on Varoufakis are unprintable.Leon said:
Varoufakis - a smart guy - was one of the few senior EU politicians who said he understood Brexit and thought it justifiable, even though he preferred Britain to Remanrottenborough said:Anyone else starting to feel like how the Greeks felt according to Varoufakis?
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Except that the DUP had no power to do it, and the UK Government didn't give them what they wanted. It is the position of the UK Government that is relevant to the situation.bigjohnowls said:I see the DUP wanted to invoke Article 16 as recently as 7/1/21
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-northern-ireland-dup-article-16-b1783221.html
Now apparently its "an incredible act of hostility"
DUP really fucked up over BREXIT when they overplayed their hand.
Of course, if the Commission invokes these serious measures on a whim then, having taken the mickey out of the terms of the protocol, it arms the British Government with permission to act in kind.
I think it unlikely that it will come to that; however, if there is any question of food supplies to Northern Ireland being disrupted then that is a far more urgent and pressing matter than the theoretical prospect of dastardly clandestine British agents smuggling EU-made vaccines from Dundalk to Newry in the back of an unmarked van.
"Bye bye Irish Sea border. Emergency and all that. Sorry Ursula."2 -
Switzerland has got a very good vaccine book but it's regulator seems to be interminable in its checks, which seems ridiculous given that both Pfizer and Moderna have been approved by the MHRA and FDA.rcs1000 said:
Switzerland and Norway both had the financial wherewithal to go the Israeli (or British) route, but did not. Their politicians will likely pay the price.Burgessian said:Lesson seems to be that small offshore members of the EU (say with populations of c.5m) stand to be shafted when the EU big boys are inconvenienced.
Where's Carnyx and Union Divvie when you need them?0 -
RobD said:
LOL. Who is breaking international law now?CarlottaVance said:
In a limited and specific way?FrancisUrquhart said:I presume the NYT will penning a article shortly explaining to their American readers how the total balls up by the EU over vaccine procurement is all the UKs fault.
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Does it bollocks. They've been rumbled is all.TheScreamingEagles said:4 -
Nice to see the LDs getting a bonus from MoE once in a while.Andy_JS said:0 -
I know they have recently cozied up to China, now imatating them...maaarsh said:0 -
We're not about to have an Ambrose Evans-Pritchard correctly predicts the future event, are we?maaarsh said:
I don't believe it. I know things are pretty shit at the moment but this doesn't feel quite like the End Times...
(We are all still here aren't we? Nobody been Raptured?)3 -
It's incredible. Why don't they understand that vaccine producers aren't purposely inventing supply problems. The way forward is to work with them, assist with money if necessary, to increase overall supply for the common good.maaarsh said:
Not effectively shut the whole thing down, or at least prevent expansion of supply. Why do they think things would work better by nationalising them???1 -
I'm actually in shock - AFP MIGHT not be wrong!!!!Black_Rook said:
We're not about to have an Ambrose Evans-Pritchard correctly predicts the future event, are we?maaarsh said:
I don't believe it. I know things are pretty shit at the moment but this doesn't feel quite like the End Times...
(We are all still here aren't we? Nobody been Raptured?)
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RobD said:
Does it bollocks. They've been rumbled is all.TheScreamingEagles said:
The EU invoked Article 16 of the Northern Ireland Protocol which allows parts of the deal to be unilaterally overridden.
In a new regulation the European Commission states: "This is justified as a safeguard measure pursuant to Article 16 of that Protocol in order to avert serious societal difficulties due to a lack of supply threatening to disturb the orderly implementation of the vaccination campaigns in the Member States.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-55864442
This is justified, not that it will be justified.2 -
Isn't a person allowed to have his dinner?Burgessian said:Lesson seems to be that small offshore members of the EU (say with populations of c.5m) stand to be shafted when the EU big boys are inconvenienced.
Where's Carnyx and Union Divvie when you need them?1 -
Can someone do a welfare check of Scott_Paste?Black_Rook said:
We're not about to have an Ambrose Evans-Pritchard correctly predicts the future event, are we?maaarsh said:
I don't believe it. I know things are pretty shit at the moment but this doesn't feel quite like the End Times...
(We are all still here aren't we? Nobody been Raptured?)0 -
It like they think they are dealing with a heavily unionized construction workforce deliberately on a go slow.alex_ said:
It's incredible. Why don't they understand that vaccine producers aren't purposely inventing supply problems. The way forward is to work with them, assist with money if necessary, to increase overall supply for the common good.maaarsh said:
Not effectively shut the whole thing down, or at least prevent expansion of supply. Why do they think things would work better by nationalising them???0 -
Weren't some PBers in favour of export bans of AZ earlier in the week because we needed it first.
But a Pfizer export ban for exactly the same reason by the EU is tantamount to WWIII
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I don't think we would be prime candidates for noticing the rapture as en event.Black_Rook said:
(We are all still here aren't we? Nobody been Raptured?)maaarsh said:
As for how far things could now go, the problem is the EU seems to be increasing escalation, not deescalating. As they are the only ones doing any escalating, only they can calm the f*ck down, but they seem to be feeding off...something that is ratcheting everything up.0 -
23 million? You've got individual firms losing business worth thousands each WEEK.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You have not answered my questionTheuniondivvie said:
You're quite petulant under the harmless old chuff veneer, ain't you?Big_G_NorthWales said:
How is Nicola Sturgeon's love affair with the EU going thenTheuniondivvie said:
Not like Sky, eh?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Why when he tells the truthbigjohnowls said:
How're the in-laws descended from 300 generations of fisherfolk doing with BJ's fantastic deal for fishing?
And 23 million now for the fishing industry loses, plus 100 million investment to develop UK wide fishing over the next five years is far better than being in the CFP and under the ridiculous EU, who have trashed their brand in a way that was totally unexpected1 -
Even if someone on here did, are you actually suggesting that random yahoos mouthing off on a forum has equivalence with the might of the EU Commission deciding to actually do so?bigjohnowls said:
Weren't some PBers in favour of export bans of AZ earlier in the week because we needed it first.
But a Pfizer export ban for exactly the same reason by the EU is tantamount to WWIII
Seriously, I don't even know what point you are trying to make.3 -
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That isnt a country, thats the whole of the island of Ireland. Rep of Ireland has 4.9 million people.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
6.5 million people - we've got enough on order...alex_ said:
Ireland isn't actually a very big country. We could probably do it.Razedabode said:
At least that’s clear as day. I feel sorry for Ireland - the country with the most to lose in the EU. Let’s give them some of our vaccinesRobD said:
Was clear from the start they were just using the border for their own political interest. They don't give two hoots about the people there.dr_spyn said:What a carve up.
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1355212119277522945
EU fall into their own Irish bear trap.1 -
It may be the vaccine - it may be lockdown restrictions having an impact.maaarsh said:
29k is more than 25% down week on week despite a 14% increase in number of tests - this week the percentage decline has been accelerating off the very stable path it had been on - good reason to be optimistic we're seeing the vaccine start to have an impact.
The transport use numbers are informative - car traffic about half of pre-Covid levels, tube passenger numbers 15% of pre-Covid levels, national rail passenger numbers 13% of pre-Covid levels.
People ARE staying home and following the guidelines and inevitably that is reducing contacts and therefore transmissions. Is the vaccine having an impact? I'd argue not as many of those vaccinated were effectively shielding,
The more worrying story is how the second wave was fuelled by employers dragging staff back to offices and only paying lip service to Covid related health and hygiene guidelines.
This nonsense, perpetrated by Johnson among others, was seized on by companies with weak or non-existent remote IT capability, to compel workers back into offices.0 -
No, the EU want AZN to redirect UK made vaccines to them. The contracts signed don't support this claim. Pfizer contracts say the UK are entitled to x doses. It isn't who needs it, it is what the legal agreements state. The UK paid upfront for access early, while the EU were dicking around and still won't pay in advance.bigjohnowls said:
Weren't some PBers in favour of export bans of AZ earlier in the week because we needed it first.
But a Pfizer export ban for exactly the same reason by the EU is tantamount to WWIII
The UK was late signing with Moderna, the EU is getting their doses of that vaccines, we aren't getting any yet. And that is perfectly reasonable, and nobody is screeching that it is unfair and that the EU should be forcing any of those doses into the UK supply chain.5 -
Burgy's lot (ie actual Scotch SCon yoons) are pretty thin on the ground, he's pulling double shifts and expects everyone else to do the same.Carnyx said:
Isn't a person allowed to have his dinner?Burgessian said:Lesson seems to be that small offshore members of the EU (say with populations of c.5m) stand to be shafted when the EU big boys are inconvenienced.
Where's Carnyx and Union Divvie when you need them?1 -
There was a constant rate of decline for the first 2 weeks of lockdown and now, 3 weeks after the vaccine effort ramped up, it has accelerated -stodge said:
It may be the vaccine - it may be lockdown restrictions having an impact.maaarsh said:
29k is more than 25% down week on week despite a 14% increase in number of tests - this week the percentage decline has been accelerating off the very stable path it had been on - good reason to be optimistic we're seeing the vaccine start to have an impact.
The transport use numbers are informative - car traffic about half of pre-Covid levels, tube passenger numbers 15% of pre-Covid levels, national rail passenger numbers 13% of pre-Covid levels.
People ARE staying home and following the guidelines and inevitably that is reducing contacts and therefore transmissions. Is the vaccine having an impact? I'd argue not as many of those vaccinated were effectively shielding,
The more worrying story is how the second wave was fuelled by employers dragging staff back to offices and only paying lip service to Covid related health and hygiene guidelines.
This nonsense, perpetrated by Johnson among others, was seized on by companies with weak or non-existent remote IT capability, to compel workers back into offices.
https://twitter.com/BristOliver/status/1355187197180334084
Seems rather unlikely that lockdown compliance has suddenly increased when cases were already falling. Combined with the hospital admissions falling much faster for over 85s than unders, I think we can see what is happening.4 -
Oh dear. The EU aren't making many friends today, are they?CarlottaVance said:3 -
I was in raptures over our dinner.Black_Rook said:
We're not about to have an Ambrose Evans-Pritchard correctly predicts the future event, are we?maaarsh said:
I don't believe it. I know things are pretty shit at the moment but this doesn't feel quite like the End Times...
(We are all still here aren't we? Nobody been Raptured?)
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Noone really disagrees with the LDs - their charm and curse. When they get 0% (near as it is) then you almost want to jump up and down and wave their banner. However they've won some seats that have cost me a lot of money. Predictably crap is something I have a sympathy with, arsing about and using local connections to run up the rails - I disapprove!Mexicanpete said:
Nice to see the LDs getting a bonus from MoE once in a while.Andy_JS said:
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If I was a "vaccine producer" I'd be seriously considering closing down all my EU operations this weekend lol!maaarsh said:0 -
Quite surprised that Australia are getting their vaccines from the EU to be fair.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Further - some are losing a MILLION a week in turnover. Not the same thing as net losses, but still it's a lot when we add it up over, say, three months. That's of the order of 10-20% of the entire 23m for one firm.Carnyx said:
23 million? You've got individual firms losing business worth thousands each WEEK.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You have not answered my questionTheuniondivvie said:
You're quite petulant under the harmless old chuff veneer, ain't you?Big_G_NorthWales said:
How is Nicola Sturgeon's love affair with the EU going thenTheuniondivvie said:
Not like Sky, eh?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Why when he tells the truthbigjohnowls said:
How're the in-laws descended from 300 generations of fisherfolk doing with BJ's fantastic deal for fishing?
And 23 million now for the fishing industry loses, plus 100 million investment to develop UK wide fishing over the next five years is far better than being in the CFP and under the ridiculous EU, who have trashed their brand in a way that was totally unexpected
Still think the London Tories give a shit for the fisherfolk now thet have their Brexit? I don't.
https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-drives-scottish-seafood-crisis-not-happier-fish/0 -
Quite right. No rest for the wicked y'know.Theuniondivvie said:
Burgy's lot (ie actual Scotch SCon yoons) are pretty thin on the ground, he's pulling double shifts and expects everyone else to do the same.Carnyx said:
Isn't a person allowed to have his dinner?Burgessian said:Lesson seems to be that small offshore members of the EU (say with populations of c.5m) stand to be shafted when the EU big boys are inconvenienced.
Where's Carnyx and Union Divvie when you need them?0 -
The EU commission may be surprised too when they hear from the Australians.alex_ said:
Quite surprised that Australia are getting their vaccines from the EU to be fair.CarlottaVance said:0 -
"solidarity" is the new flag waving...dr_spyn said:Christian Social Unionist speaks.
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That some posters are hypocriteskle4 said:
Even if someone on here did, are you actually suggesting that random yahoos mouthing off on a forum has equivalence with the might of the EU Commission deciding to actually do so?bigjohnowls said:
Weren't some PBers in favour of export bans of AZ earlier in the week because we needed it first.
But a Pfizer export ban for exactly the same reason by the EU is tantamount to WWIII
Seriously, I don't even know what point you are trying to make.
In favour of Vaccine Nationalism when it benefits "us"
Against vaccine Nationalism when it favours "them"
IMO Vaccine Nationalism is bad no ifs no buts0 -
I've just been reading the Guardian write up on the export control exempt list.kle4 said:
I don't think we would be prime candidates for noticing the rapture as en event.Black_Rook said:
(We are all still here aren't we? Nobody been Raptured?)maaarsh said:
As for how far things could now go, the problem is the EU seems to be increasing escalation, not deescalating. As they are the only ones doing any escalating, only they can calm the f*ck down, but they seem to be feeding off...something that is ratcheting everything up.
On list: Syria, Belarus, Libya
Off list: UK, US, Canada
They're essentially willing to ship this stuff to Assad, Lukashenko and an anarchic war zone with no questions asked, but not to their three principal Western allies.
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This isn't even vaccine nationalism, it's vaccine stealing.bigjohnowls said:
That some posters are hypocriteskle4 said:
Even if someone on here did, are you actually suggesting that random yahoos mouthing off on a forum has equivalence with the might of the EU Commission deciding to actually do so?bigjohnowls said:
Weren't some PBers in favour of export bans of AZ earlier in the week because we needed it first.
But a Pfizer export ban for exactly the same reason by the EU is tantamount to WWIII
Seriously, I don't even know what point you are trying to make.
In favour of Vaccine Nationalism when it benefits "us"
Against vaccine Nationalism when it favours "them"
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I've been struck with a loss of confidence that some of the soi-disant Scotch Yoons on PB are actuall resident north of Lamberton Toll, or even Gretna, after one of them started complaining the other day that Ms Sturgeon was travelling between different Tiers daily. That's a bit like DavidL talking about the accused rather than the pannel ... not that he would, that's the point, we all know he comes from Yes City.Theuniondivvie said:
Burgy's lot (ie actual Scotch SCon yoons) are pretty thin on the ground, he's pulling double shifts and expects everyone else to do the same.Carnyx said:
Isn't a person allowed to have his dinner?Burgessian said:Lesson seems to be that small offshore members of the EU (say with populations of c.5m) stand to be shafted when the EU big boys are inconvenienced.
Where's Carnyx and Union Divvie when you need them?0 -
Hey, we're the new axis of evil.Black_Rook said:
I've just been reading the Guardian write up on the export control exempt list.kle4 said:
I don't think we would be prime candidates for noticing the rapture as en event.Black_Rook said:
(We are all still here aren't we? Nobody been Raptured?)maaarsh said:
As for how far things could now go, the problem is the EU seems to be increasing escalation, not deescalating. As they are the only ones doing any escalating, only they can calm the f*ck down, but they seem to be feeding off...something that is ratcheting everything up.
On list: Syria, Belarus, Libya
Off list: UK, US, Canada
They're essentially willing to ship this stuff to Assad, Lukashenko and an anarchic war zone with no questions asked, but not to their three principal Western allies.
At this rate NATO will be dead in a week.6 -
As it happens I agree it is a sh!tshow. Only saving grace is that the alternative, the welcoming arms of the EU & CFP, isn't exactly looking terribly attractive just now.Carnyx said:
Further - some are losing a MILLION a week in turnover. Not the same thing as net losses, but still it's a lot when we add it up over, say, three months. That's of the order of 10-20% of the entire 23m for one firm.Carnyx said:
23 million? You've got individual firms losing business worth thousands each WEEK.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You have not answered my questionTheuniondivvie said:
You're quite petulant under the harmless old chuff veneer, ain't you?Big_G_NorthWales said:
How is Nicola Sturgeon's love affair with the EU going thenTheuniondivvie said:
Not like Sky, eh?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Why when he tells the truthbigjohnowls said:
How're the in-laws descended from 300 generations of fisherfolk doing with BJ's fantastic deal for fishing?
And 23 million now for the fishing industry loses, plus 100 million investment to develop UK wide fishing over the next five years is far better than being in the CFP and under the ridiculous EU, who have trashed their brand in a way that was totally unexpected
Still think the London Tories give a shit for the fisherfolk now thet have their Brexit? I don't.
https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-drives-scottish-seafood-crisis-not-happier-fish/0 -
Deaths finally updated...modest downward trend slightly stronger than yesterday:
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Nobigjohnowls said:
Weren't some PBers in favour of export bans of AZ earlier in the week because we needed it first.
But a Pfizer export ban for exactly the same reason by the EU is tantamount to WWIII0 -
One element of the current shitshow from the EU is how much potential it has to enhance Boris. Brexit - easier to argue it was the right thing to do. Vaccine role out - so good, it is driving the EU crazy to the point they want to disrupt it/steal it. All whilst he stands above the fray, looking like a statesman.
All in the week he apologised for 100,000 dead.
Damn, it's been 5 days to remember.8 -
The EU really need to step back, breath and think
https://twitter.com/lukemcgee/status/13552341021868277801 -
Hmmm Except that they'd have been buying the fish and still are, if the fish are brought into Denmark. Which is more than Mr J is doing. Shame about the processors.Burgessian said:
As it happens I agree it is a sh!tshow. Only saving grace is that the alternative, the welcoming arms of the EU & CFP, isn't exactly looking terribly attractive just now.Carnyx said:
Further - some are losing a MILLION a week in turnover. Not the same thing as net losses, but still it's a lot when we add it up over, say, three months. That's of the order of 10-20% of the entire 23m for one firm.Carnyx said:
23 million? You've got individual firms losing business worth thousands each WEEK.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You have not answered my questionTheuniondivvie said:
You're quite petulant under the harmless old chuff veneer, ain't you?Big_G_NorthWales said:
How is Nicola Sturgeon's love affair with the EU going thenTheuniondivvie said:
Not like Sky, eh?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Why when he tells the truthbigjohnowls said:
How're the in-laws descended from 300 generations of fisherfolk doing with BJ's fantastic deal for fishing?
And 23 million now for the fishing industry loses, plus 100 million investment to develop UK wide fishing over the next five years is far better than being in the CFP and under the ridiculous EU, who have trashed their brand in a way that was totally unexpected
Still think the London Tories give a shit for the fisherfolk now thet have their Brexit? I don't.
https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-drives-scottish-seafood-crisis-not-happier-fish/0 -
I don't think anyone here has been advocating export bans, just what to do with the stock we've bought and paid for.bigjohnowls said:
That some posters are hypocriteskle4 said:
Even if someone on here did, are you actually suggesting that random yahoos mouthing off on a forum has equivalence with the might of the EU Commission deciding to actually do so?bigjohnowls said:
Weren't some PBers in favour of export bans of AZ earlier in the week because we needed it first.
But a Pfizer export ban for exactly the same reason by the EU is tantamount to WWIII
Seriously, I don't even know what point you are trying to make.
In favour of Vaccine Nationalism when it benefits "us"
Against vaccine Nationalism when it favours "them"
IMO Vaccine Nationalism is bad no ifs no buts0 -
The hostility on here addressed to you by your fellow Conservatives, just because you consider Brexit and PM Johnson to both be monumental errors, is becoming quite unpleasant.Scott_xP said:
We seem to be losing a few anti-Johnson, anti-Brexit posters, which is a shame. I can see why. If the only acceptable opinion becomes pro-Johnson and anti -EU the site is diminished, and it has always been a great site.2 -
Some day the Empire Commission will fall because it is Buggins's Von Der Leyen's turn.3
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I would suggest you look in the mirrorbigjohnowls said:
That some posters are hypocriteskle4 said:
Even if someone on here did, are you actually suggesting that random yahoos mouthing off on a forum has equivalence with the might of the EU Commission deciding to actually do so?bigjohnowls said:
Weren't some PBers in favour of export bans of AZ earlier in the week because we needed it first.
But a Pfizer export ban for exactly the same reason by the EU is tantamount to WWIII
Seriously, I don't even know what point you are trying to make.
In favour of Vaccine Nationalism when it benefits "us"
Against vaccine Nationalism when it favours "them"
IMO Vaccine Nationalism is bad no ifs no buts1 -
Also this.maaarsh said:
There was a constant rate of decline for the first 2 weeks of lockdown and now, 3 weeks after the vaccine effort ramped up, it has accelerated -stodge said:
It may be the vaccine - it may be lockdown restrictions having an impact.maaarsh said:
29k is more than 25% down week on week despite a 14% increase in number of tests - this week the percentage decline has been accelerating off the very stable path it had been on - good reason to be optimistic we're seeing the vaccine start to have an impact.
The transport use numbers are informative - car traffic about half of pre-Covid levels, tube passenger numbers 15% of pre-Covid levels, national rail passenger numbers 13% of pre-Covid levels.
People ARE staying home and following the guidelines and inevitably that is reducing contacts and therefore transmissions. Is the vaccine having an impact? I'd argue not as many of those vaccinated were effectively shielding,
The more worrying story is how the second wave was fuelled by employers dragging staff back to offices and only paying lip service to Covid related health and hygiene guidelines.
This nonsense, perpetrated by Johnson among others, was seized on by companies with weak or non-existent remote IT capability, to compel workers back into offices.
https://twitter.com/BristOliver/status/1355187197180334084
Seems rather unlikely that lockdown compliance has suddenly increased when cases were already falling. Combined with the hospital admissions falling much faster for over 85s than unders, I think we can see what is happening.
https://twitter.com/DevanSinha/status/13551806647825489950 -
deaths peaked on the 19th, 1 day after max hospital occupancy - just the reporting is mega lagged but the way hospital numbers are falling a continued fall in deaths is now baked in thankfullyCarlottaVance said:Deaths finally updated...modest downward trend slightly stronger than yesterday:
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There are plenty of anti Johnson and anti Brexit posters on here who are excellent contributors and their leaving would be a real loss to the site.Mexicanpete said:
The hostility on here addressed to you by your fellow Conservatives, just because you consider Brexit and PM Johnson to both be monumental errors, is becoming quite unpleasant.Scott_xP said:
We seem to be losing a few anti-Johnson, anti-Brexit posters, which is a shame. I can see why. If the only acceptable opinion becomes pro-Johnson and anti -EU the site is diminished, and it has always been a great site.
Then there is Scott n paste....2 -
Presumably "we"or Pfizer have a plan B to get "our" 2nd Pfizer vaccines on time.RobD said:
This isn't even vaccine nationalism, it's vaccine stealing.bigjohnowls said:
That some posters are hypocriteskle4 said:
Even if someone on here did, are you actually suggesting that random yahoos mouthing off on a forum has equivalence with the might of the EU Commission deciding to actually do so?bigjohnowls said:
Weren't some PBers in favour of export bans of AZ earlier in the week because we needed it first.
But a Pfizer export ban for exactly the same reason by the EU is tantamount to WWIII
Seriously, I don't even know what point you are trying to make.
In favour of Vaccine Nationalism when it benefits "us"
Against vaccine Nationalism when it favours "them"
IMO Vaccine Nationalism is bad no ifs no buts
Or maybe we dont need a plan B
I see vaccine minister nadhim zahawi said only yesterday he is confident there will be no disruption0 -
And Australia - they must hate the English speaking world.RobD said:
Hey, we're the new axis of evil.Black_Rook said:
I've just been reading the Guardian write up on the export control exempt list.kle4 said:
I don't think we would be prime candidates for noticing the rapture as en event.Black_Rook said:
(We are all still here aren't we? Nobody been Raptured?)maaarsh said:
As for how far things could now go, the problem is the EU seems to be increasing escalation, not deescalating. As they are the only ones doing any escalating, only they can calm the f*ck down, but they seem to be feeding off...something that is ratcheting everything up.
On list: Syria, Belarus, Libya
Off list: UK, US, Canada
They're essentially willing to ship this stuff to Assad, Lukashenko and an anarchic war zone with no questions asked, but not to their three principal Western allies.
At this rate NATO will be dead in a week.2 -
Fear not, @HYUFD is already making preparations for a blockade run.bigjohnowls said:
Presumably "we"or Pfizer have a plan B to get "our" 2nd Pfizer vaccines on time.RobD said:
This isn't even vaccine nationalism, it's vaccine stealing.bigjohnowls said:
That some posters are hypocriteskle4 said:
Even if someone on here did, are you actually suggesting that random yahoos mouthing off on a forum has equivalence with the might of the EU Commission deciding to actually do so?bigjohnowls said:
Weren't some PBers in favour of export bans of AZ earlier in the week because we needed it first.
But a Pfizer export ban for exactly the same reason by the EU is tantamount to WWIII
Seriously, I don't even know what point you are trying to make.
In favour of Vaccine Nationalism when it benefits "us"
Against vaccine Nationalism when it favours "them"
IMO Vaccine Nationalism is bad no ifs no buts
Or maybe we dont need a plan B
I see vaccine minister nadhim zahawi said only yesterday he is confident there will be no disruption0 -
I'm sure Eastern European countries will have thoughts about possible consequences.Black_Rook said:
I've just been reading the Guardian write up on the export control exempt list.kle4 said:
I don't think we would be prime candidates for noticing the rapture as en event.Black_Rook said:
(We are all still here aren't we? Nobody been Raptured?)maaarsh said:
As for how far things could now go, the problem is the EU seems to be increasing escalation, not deescalating. As they are the only ones doing any escalating, only they can calm the f*ck down, but they seem to be feeding off...something that is ratcheting everything up.
On list: Syria, Belarus, Libya
Off list: UK, US, Canada
They're essentially willing to ship this stuff to Assad, Lukashenko and an anarchic war zone with no questions asked, but not to their three principal Western allies.
At this rate NATO will be dead in a week.1 -
This is a bad day for the EU but it is not fatal. And is probably less of a potential threat than during the Greek financial crisis.williamglenn said:
But it should be a fatal day (jobs wise) for some of the individuals representing the EU who are not serving their organisation or their citizens well.9 -
Indeed. ONS survey came in flat today, but they had a big increase in cases where the viral load was so low they couldn't work out if it was the new strain or not - which suggests they were just getting new 'positives' from people who were infected a few weeks back and are basically recovered now.DougSeal said:
Also this.maaarsh said:
There was a constant rate of decline for the first 2 weeks of lockdown and now, 3 weeks after the vaccine effort ramped up, it has accelerated -stodge said:
It may be the vaccine - it may be lockdown restrictions having an impact.maaarsh said:
29k is more than 25% down week on week despite a 14% increase in number of tests - this week the percentage decline has been accelerating off the very stable path it had been on - good reason to be optimistic we're seeing the vaccine start to have an impact.
The transport use numbers are informative - car traffic about half of pre-Covid levels, tube passenger numbers 15% of pre-Covid levels, national rail passenger numbers 13% of pre-Covid levels.
People ARE staying home and following the guidelines and inevitably that is reducing contacts and therefore transmissions. Is the vaccine having an impact? I'd argue not as many of those vaccinated were effectively shielding,
The more worrying story is how the second wave was fuelled by employers dragging staff back to offices and only paying lip service to Covid related health and hygiene guidelines.
This nonsense, perpetrated by Johnson among others, was seized on by companies with weak or non-existent remote IT capability, to compel workers back into offices.
https://twitter.com/BristOliver/status/1355187197180334084
Seems rather unlikely that lockdown compliance has suddenly increased when cases were already falling. Combined with the hospital admissions falling much faster for over 85s than unders, I think we can see what is happening.
https://twitter.com/DevanSinha/status/13551806647825489950 -
Labour's shadow secretary of state for Northern Ireland:
https://twitter.com/LouHaigh/status/13552254361591603211 -
Off list: Australia and NZ too.Black_Rook said:
I've just been reading the Guardian write up on the export control exempt list.kle4 said:
I don't think we would be prime candidates for noticing the rapture as en event.Black_Rook said:
(We are all still here aren't we? Nobody been Raptured?)maaarsh said:
As for how far things could now go, the problem is the EU seems to be increasing escalation, not deescalating. As they are the only ones doing any escalating, only they can calm the f*ck down, but they seem to be feeding off...something that is ratcheting everything up.
On list: Syria, Belarus, Libya
Off list: UK, US, Canada
They're essentially willing to ship this stuff to Assad, Lukashenko and an anarchic war zone with no questions asked, but not to their three principal Western allies.
At this rate NATO will be dead in a week.
Then you've got the EU cosying up to China: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/31/china-eu-trade-deal-beijing-wants-more-agreements-after-europe-deal.html - while refusing to condemn them over Hong Kong or the Uighurs.
The EU have abandoned the western alliance.2 -
https://maltagc70.wordpress.com/tag/breconshire/RobD said:
Fear not, @HYUFD is already making preparations for a blockade run.bigjohnowls said:
Presumably "we"or Pfizer have a plan B to get "our" 2nd Pfizer vaccines on time.RobD said:
This isn't even vaccine nationalism, it's vaccine stealing.bigjohnowls said:
That some posters are hypocriteskle4 said:
Even if someone on here did, are you actually suggesting that random yahoos mouthing off on a forum has equivalence with the might of the EU Commission deciding to actually do so?bigjohnowls said:
Weren't some PBers in favour of export bans of AZ earlier in the week because we needed it first.
But a Pfizer export ban for exactly the same reason by the EU is tantamount to WWIII
Seriously, I don't even know what point you are trying to make.
In favour of Vaccine Nationalism when it benefits "us"
Against vaccine Nationalism when it favours "them"
IMO Vaccine Nationalism is bad no ifs no buts
Or maybe we dont need a plan B
I see vaccine minister nadhim zahawi said only yesterday he is confident there will be no disruption0
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