Basically pretty much everything Brexiteers said has been proven true tonight.
Their invocation of Article 16 is astonishing. Absolutely astonishing.
I bet Joe Biden who favours them isn't too amused ...
Backpedalling on the use of Article 16 to stop the Evil Brits from getting their hands on EU vaccines just leaves the small matter of our exclusion from the export ban exemption list.
The whole of Europe except Russia, Turkey and the UK is on that list. But no particular countries were targeted. Oh no. Definitely not.
Once again, Syria, Libya, Belarus: exempt. US, UK, Canada: threatened.
The EU is not our friend.
That's got to be the best anti-EU recruitment this country has had since Merkel decided to let all and sundry enter Europe.
It's absolutely unbelievable. Anyone would think that the EU was run by a bunch of failed politicians who no longer have to account for their actions.
Might concentrate a few minds in Ireland as well as to how much the EU is their friend.
Go on - what level of dipshit technocrat signed off on this then
It's great to know that "Article 16" - which, as the EU has often told us, is the Irish politico-diplomatic equivalent of the nuclear button - can be "inadvertently triggered" by some silly underling
How do you do that? Did he slip on a mango skin in an office in Brussels and thus fall backwards onto a huge keyboard with only one key marked "FUCK IRELAND"?
So it can be triggered by "someone who does not understand its implications"?
That's reassuring.....
Well they clearly didn't understand the contract they signed with AZN....as they publish as if they have killer evidence and even very pro-European lawyers have been saying it doesn't say what you keep claiming.
Not being a lawyer myself, it seemed like the EU had no case but I wondered if any contract lawyers or other specialists concluded. Do you have any links?
As the UK and EU diverge, that Rejoin will fall away. Also, there is almost zero appetite for another divisive referendum for the foreseeable future. All my Remainer friends, even the most ardent, have no appetite to revive the argument. They have accepted. They are sad. They regret it, But they accept it. I literally don't know anyone who wants "another vote"
We are out. And we will stay out probably forever.
What is possible is us rejoining a version of the Single Market, in a few years. But both sides will have to give ground, and they will, as this will be mutually beneficial
After this fiasco I can't see anything other than a deep freeze of UK-EU relations. There's no chance that we will join the single market now, I half expect the next treaty negotiation to further water down the existing relationship, especially if we've pivoted to Asia and NA as seems highly likely.
Go on - what level of dipshit technocrat signed off on this then
It's great to know that "Article 16" - which, as the EU has often told us, is the Irish politico-diplomatic equivalent of the nuclear button - can be "inadvertently triggered" by some silly underling
How do you do that? Did he slip on a mango skin in an office in Brussels and thus fall backwards onto a huge keyboard with only one key marked "FUCK IRELAND"?
Like those that turn up in A&E with a massive artisan dildo up their arse, which found its way there through a terrible unfortunate accident and isn't even their dildo....in fact they don't know what such things are.
Go on - what level of dipshit technocrat signed off on this then
It's great to know that "Article 16" - which, as the EU has often told us, is the Irish politico-diplomatic equivalent of the nuclear button - can be "inadvertently triggered" by some silly underling
How do you do that? Did he slip on a mango skin in an office in Brussels and thus fall backwards onto a huge keyboard with only one key marked "FUCK IRELAND"?
Given how easily they have managed to f*ck Ireland, maybe you could ask Brussels if they want to buy a collection of your artisanal-crafted dildos for future use.
Has anyone seen @AlastairMeeks so we can get an explanation on why the EU are right about invoking Article 16 and this is actually the UK Government's fault?
The plaintive cries from various PBers requesting the presence of other PBers is most touching. That they didn't seem awfully keen on those posters' contributions when they were here is another thing, but who needs consistency?
So it can be triggered by "someone who does not understand its implications"?
That's reassuring.....
Well they clearly didn't understand the contract they signed with AZN....as they publish as if they have killer evidence and even very pro-European lawyers have been saying it doesn't say what you keep claiming.
Not being a lawyer myself, it seemed like the EU had no case but I wondered if any contract lawyers or other specialists concluded. Do you have any links?
A belgian lawyer in whose courts it would be adjudicated tweeted the eu have no case
And it's a big win too. Is it just the first, or the first and last?
The Shagster is a jammy bastard, isn't he ?
Basically, in the entire pandemic, he has got one thing right.
The most important thing.
If you were told at outset you could only get one thing right, you'd choose the vaccines.
Your though process sounds like the logic one would anticipate from Andrew RT Davies.
Personally, I don't think vaccine provision, masterminded by Cummings should be Johnson's get out of jail free card. It is an enormous victory for an incumbent, however the PPE debacle, track and trace, locking down late, opening up early, and horrific fatalities should not be forgotten. As you hinted some weeks ago, perhaps Johnson's earlier dereliction of duties should see him sharing Drakeford's cell.
Your statement is something akin to "OK so I caused the motorway pile up, but despite the carnage and death toll, I saved the minibus full of Nuns, therefore I am exempt from a death by dangerous driving rap"!
You think politicians ever pay for their misdeeds ...
I am a good deal more cynical. I don't even expect Trump will end up in a dripping prison cell ... let alone Johnson or Drakeford.
So, back to 'RT". Did the Welsh Tories do right? I can't quite decide myself.
On the one hand, RT's a blustering, braying fool of a politician.
But, on the other hand, there are a lot of UKIP voters to mop up in the Senedd elections ...
I work with people who are more than impressed with RT's incoherence. The fact that he has always been and is still against the lockdowns will give him a leg up with a certain breed of blue-collar hard men.
Go on - what level of dipshit technocrat signed off on this then
It's great to know that "Article 16" - which, as the EU has often told us, is the Irish politico-diplomatic equivalent of the nuclear button - can be "inadvertently triggered" by some silly underling
How do you do that? Did he slip on a mango skin in an office in Brussels and thus fall backwards onto a huge keyboard with only one key marked "FUCK IRELAND"?
Like those that turn up in A&E with a massive artisan dildo up their arse, which found its way there through a terrible unfortunate accident.
I could tell a very amusing story about two male lovers experimenting with a glass bottle at this stage .........
Go on - what level of dipshit technocrat signed off on this then
It's great to know that "Article 16" - which, as the EU has often told us, is the Irish politico-diplomatic equivalent of the nuclear button - can be "inadvertently triggered" by some silly underling
How do you do that? Did he slip on a mango skin in an office in Brussels and thus fall backwards onto a huge keyboard with only one key marked "FUCK IRELAND"?
Like those that turn up in A&E with a massive artisan dildo up their arse, which found its way there through a terrible unfortunate accident and isn't even their dildo....in fact they don't know what such things are.
Has anyone seen @AlastairMeeks so we can get an explanation on why the EU are right about invoking Article 16 and this is actually the UK Government's fault?
The plaintive cries from various PBers requesting the presence of other PBers is most touching. That they didn't seem awfully keen on those posters' contributions when they were here is another thing, but who needs consistency?
Like taking playful if spiteful comments from others too seriously perhaps. God forbid people should be consistent on that before opining on others.
Lol, having read the Spiegel piece on UvDL I half expected a junior minion to take the blame for this.
Still, even with this stupid A16 stuff resolved the underlying export ban mechanism will come back and that's still a threat to vaccine supplies of the UK, US, Canada and Australia.
The western alliance is fracturing before our very eyes.
Even the Archbishop of Canterbury has come out against them.
I don't know what the actual fuck is going on over there. It does rather reiterate the point I have had to make to CEOs/CCOs etc over the years. It doesn't matter what the contract says, unless you are willing to enforce it.
Go on - what level of dipshit technocrat signed off on this then
It's great to know that "Article 16" - which, as the EU has often told us, is the Irish politico-diplomatic equivalent of the nuclear button - can be "inadvertently triggered" by some silly underling
How do you do that? Did he slip on a mango skin in an office in Brussels and thus fall backwards onto a huge keyboard with only one key marked "FUCK IRELAND"?
Even a relative Europhile like me is not looking forward to the time when there's a nuclear capable EU Armed Force...
"Sorry, that warhead was inadvertently triggered by some silly underling - please ignore the explosion"
And for the record, I think the EU has screwed up royally this past week; I hope they learn the lesson.
Lol, having read the Spiegel piece on UvDL I half expected a junior minion to take the blame for this.
Still, even with this stupid A16 stuff resolved the underlying export ban mechanism will come back and that's still a threat to vaccine supplies of the UK, US, Canada and Australia.
The western alliance is fracturing before our very eyes.
Even the Archbishop of Canterbury has come out against them.
As the UK and EU diverge, that Rejoin will fall away. Also, there is almost zero appetite for another divisive referendum for the foreseeable future. All my Remainer friends, even the most ardent, have no appetite to revive the argument. They have accepted. They are sad. They regret it, But they accept it. I literally don't know anyone who wants "another vote"
We are out. And we will stay out probably forever.
What is possible is us rejoining a version of the Single Market, in a few years. But both sides will have to give ground, and they will, as this will be mutually beneficial
Just quoting the polling.
Note this is not a "do you think Brexit was a mistake?" poll, but rather a question for a new referendum on Rejoin.
Clearly there is not going to be this parliament, but this is far from a dead issue, despite your Albanian taxi driver mates.
If the Leave.EU people are as tactically smart as they used to be, there will soon be a very prominent counter appearing which tallies how many people are alive today who would be dead if we had stayed in the EU and been tied to their failed vaccine procurement. Not that hard to calculate and only going to go in one direction unless something very surprising happens.
Has anyone seen @AlastairMeeks so we can get an explanation on why the EU are right about invoking Article 16 and this is actually the UK Government's fault?
The plaintive cries from various PBers requesting the presence of other PBers is most touching. That they didn't seem awfully keen on those posters' contributions when they were here is another thing, but who needs consistency?
Ah, @Theuniondivvie you haven't been paying attention. When Alastair writes, I usually thank for his articles. Even if I disagree with his viewpoint, I learn new things and he always articulates his points well, unless certain posters on here....
Anyway, what do you reckon Nicola's view on this, divvie?
Has anyone seen @AlastairMeeks so we can get an explanation on why the EU are right about invoking Article 16 and this is actually the UK Government's fault?
Long, long, long silences on the loneliest place in the world -- Alastair Meeks' twitter feed -- followed by the ironic "This is all going swimmingly ..."
OT. But "It's a Sin" is really evocative of mid 80s squalid London. Despite being filmed in Manchester. However, Le Mans Crescent, Bolton, as New York, I was not expecting!!
So it can be triggered by "someone who does not understand its implications"?
That's reassuring.....
Well they clearly didn't understand the contract they signed with AZN....as they publish as if they have killer evidence and even very pro-European lawyers have been saying it doesn't say what you keep claiming.
Not being a lawyer myself, it seemed like the EU had no case but I wondered if any contract lawyers or other specialists concluded. Do you have any links?
A belgian lawyer in whose courts it would be adjudicated tweeted the eu have no case
It was a shock on yesterdays BBC 10 oclock news to hear one of their correspondents in the studio talking about vaccine nationalism on the part of EU countries. First time theyve said anything negative about the EU for about 30 years.
As the UK and EU diverge, that Rejoin will fall away. Also, there is almost zero appetite for another divisive referendum for the foreseeable future. All my Remainer friends, even the most ardent, have no appetite to revive the argument. They have accepted. They are sad. They regret it, But they accept it. I literally don't know anyone who wants "another vote"
We are out. And we will stay out probably forever.
What is possible is us rejoining a version of the Single Market, in a few years. But both sides will have to give ground, and they will, as this will be mutually beneficial
After this fiasco I can't see anything other than a deep freeze of UK-EU relations. There's no chance that we will join the single market now, I half expect the next treaty negotiation to further water down the existing relationship, especially if we've pivoted to Asia and NA as seems highly likely.
Wouldn't it make more sense for UK (and the Irish AND Scots) to use the EU's colossal mega-fiasco as leverage?
Question - does anyone know how to block a number so that they can't leave you voicemail?
Will prevent me from having to report my ex for harassment...
It's easy on an iPhone. Just open their card in your contacts and hit "block". Other smartphones are available though.
That doesn't stop it reaching voicemail it just stops your phone ringing. If the person leaves a message you still get told a voice mail has been left.
It was a shock on yesterdays BBC 10 oclock news to hear one of their correspondents in the studio talking about vaccine nationalism on the part of EU countries. First time theyve said anything negative about the EU for about 30 years.
You know its bad when even the gruardian say the EU have thrown all their toys out the pram.
I don't know what the actual fuck is going on over there. It does rather reiterate the point I have had to make to CEOs/CCOs etc over the years. It doesn't matter what the contract says, unless you are willing to enforce it.
Has anyone seen @AlastairMeeks so we can get an explanation on why the EU are right about invoking Article 16 and this is actually the UK Government's fault?
The plaintive cries from various PBers requesting the presence of other PBers is most touching. That they didn't seem awfully keen on those posters' contributions when they were here is another thing, but who needs consistency?
Like taking playful if spiteful comments from others too seriously perhaps. God forbid people should be consistent on that before opining on others.
Consistency is overrated anyway.
I think you're taking it too seriously @kle4 if you think I'm being spiteful. I'm sure Alastair can take the gentle joke.
The trouble is, they can still leave you a voicemail even if you won't get a notification. You can always switch off voicemail for a bit but that might not be okay for you.
Changing the number is the other, starker, choice.
As the UK and EU diverge, that Rejoin will fall away. Also, there is almost zero appetite for another divisive referendum for the foreseeable future. All my Remainer friends, even the most ardent, have no appetite to revive the argument. They have accepted. They are sad. They regret it, But they accept it. I literally don't know anyone who wants "another vote"
We are out. And we will stay out probably forever.
What is possible is us rejoining a version of the Single Market, in a few years. But both sides will have to give ground, and they will, as this will be mutually beneficial
After this fiasco I can't see anything other than a deep freeze of UK-EU relations. There's no chance that we will join the single market now, I half expect the next treaty negotiation to further water down the existing relationship, especially if we've pivoted to Asia and NA as seems highly likely.
Wouldn't it make more sense for UK (and the Irish AND Scots) to use the EU's colossal mega-fiasco as leverage?
Unlikely, the UK will take it as a sign the EU is an inwards looking trading bloc just as many already thought so why stay and fight yesterday's battles when the future is in Asia and NA.
Has anyone seen @AlastairMeeks so we can get an explanation on why the EU are right about invoking Article 16 and this is actually the UK Government's fault?
The plaintive cries from various PBers requesting the presence of other PBers is most touching. That they didn't seem awfully keen on those posters' contributions when they were here is another thing, but who needs consistency?
Ah, @Theuniondivvie you haven't been paying attention. When Alastair writes, I usually thank for his articles. Even if I disagree with his viewpoint, I learn new things and he always articulates his points well, unless certain posters on here....
Anyway, what do you reckon Nicola's view on this, divvie?
I'd be more interested in hearing TUD's own view, and Carnyx's too. Both are clearly finding the outpouring of Brexitism on PB quite revolting, but I'd be interested in an honest take on the situation itself from either of both of them.
Now all that moaning about one clause in the Internal Market Bill, that if the EU starting being twats we could do something about it and we were all told that it is totally illegal in international law and the EU would never behave like that.
Surprised no one had commented on the suspension of the NI border. I thought that was sacrosanct
If the Leave.EU people are as tactically smart as they used to be, there will soon be a very prominent counter appearing which tallies how many people are alive today who would be dead if we had stayed in the EU and been tied to their failed vaccine procurement. Not that hard to calculate and only going to go in one direction unless something very surprising happens.
Numbers painted on the side of a bus stuck at Folkestone waiting for clearance to enter France.
Go on - what level of dipshit technocrat signed off on this then
It's great to know that "Article 16" - which, as the EU has often told us, is the Irish politico-diplomatic equivalent of the nuclear button - can be "inadvertently triggered" by some silly underling
How do you do that? Did he slip on a mango skin in an office in Brussels and thus fall backwards onto a huge keyboard with only one key marked "FUCK IRELAND"?
Like those that turn up in A&E with a massive artisan dildo up their arse, which found its way there through a terrible unfortunate accident and isn't even their dildo....in fact they don't know what such things are.
I will explain this one last time. When I received the package from Leon (a gift for my wife) I decided to check it in case any of the flint was loose. As anyone who has worked with flint knows, such ap process is best done when the flint is wet so, naturally, I took the item into the shower with me. While in the shower I slipped on some soap and, well, the rest is history between me and the William Harvey Hospital A&E Department who will be recieving a sterm letter from my firm regarding breach of confidence.
It was a shock on yesterdays BBC 10 oclock news to hear one of their correspondents in the studio talking about vaccine nationalism on the part of EU countries. First time theyve said anything negative about the EU for about 30 years.
You know its bad when even the gruardian say the EU have thrown all their toys out the pram.
Katya Adler surprised me. She really had a go at the EU. That might have been the correspondent to whom Francis refers.
Tbh loads of journalists within the EU are having a go at them.
I don't know much (ok anything) about Article 16. Is it ridiculous to suggest that its main purpose was to allow the UK to overrule the Irish Sea border requirements? It wasn't intended to result in the closing of the Irish land border.
It was a shock on yesterdays BBC 10 oclock news to hear one of their correspondents in the studio talking about vaccine nationalism on the part of EU countries. First time theyve said anything negative about the EU for about 30 years.
You know its bad when even the gruardian say the EU have thrown all their toys out the pram.
I went to their website thinking "alright, let's hear the excuses about the EU not being right etc" but, to their credit, they did not do so.
Go on - what level of dipshit technocrat signed off on this then
It's great to know that "Article 16" - which, as the EU has often told us, is the Irish politico-diplomatic equivalent of the nuclear button - can be "inadvertently triggered" by some silly underling
How do you do that? Did he slip on a mango skin in an office in Brussels and thus fall backwards onto a huge keyboard with only one key marked "FUCK IRELAND"?
Even a relative Europhile like me is not looking forward to the time when there's a nuclear capable EU Armed Force...
"Sorry, that warhead was inadvertently triggered by some silly underling - please ignore the explosion"
And for the record, I think the EU has screwed up royally this past week; I hope they learn the lesson.
Indeed, the rate of foolishness by some in the EU this week has been matched only by the rate of hyperventilation from some PB posters over the last days.
Barnier seems to have changed alot: when did he start wearing his hair that long?
When people complain about media studies being a big pile of shit.....it appears they used to study Zoella, but has now been dropped because she makes videos about artisan dildos.
People with this qualification sound like the sort of people using the European Commission Vaccine programme.
Has anyone seen @AlastairMeeks so we can get an explanation on why the EU are right about invoking Article 16 and this is actually the UK Government's fault?
The plaintive cries from various PBers requesting the presence of other PBers is most touching. That they didn't seem awfully keen on those posters' contributions when they were here is another thing, but who needs consistency?
Like taking playful if spiteful comments from others too seriously perhaps. God forbid people should be consistent on that before opining on others.
Consistency is overrated anyway.
I think you're taking it too seriously kle4 if you think I'm being spiteful. I'm sure Alastair can take the gentle joke.
I also said playful. Snide may have been a better word choice. He's a big boy, he could take it.
Now all that moaning about one clause in the Internal Market Bill, that if the EU starting being twats we could do something about it and we were all told that it is totally illegal in international law and the EU would never behave like that.
Surprised no one had commented on the suspension of the NI border. I thought that was sacrosanct
Article 16 allows them to do it, sort of, but Article 16 paragraph 2 is tasty.
"If a safeguard measure taken by the Union or the United Kingdom, as the case may be, in accordance with paragraph 1 creates an imbalance between the rights and obligations under this Protocol, the Union or the United Kingdom, as the case may be, may take such proportionate rebalancing measures as are strictly necessary to remedy the imbalance."
Has anyone seen @AlastairMeeks so we can get an explanation on why the EU are right about invoking Article 16 and this is actually the UK Government's fault?
The plaintive cries from various PBers requesting the presence of other PBers is most touching. That they didn't seem awfully keen on those posters' contributions when they were here is another thing, but who needs consistency?
Ah, @Theuniondivvie you haven't been paying attention. When Alastair writes, I usually thank for his articles. Even if I disagree with his viewpoint, I learn new things and he always articulates his points well, unless certain posters on here....
Anyway, what do you reckon Nicola's view on this, divvie?
I'd be more interested in hearing TUD's own view, and Carnyx's too. Both are clearly finding the outpouring of Brexitism on PB quite revolting, but I'd be interested in an honest take on the situation itself from either of both of them.
Somehow, I doubt we will get that. More likely they will keep quiet so they don't have to say anything about the Blessed St Nicola of Scotland
Has anyone seen @AlastairMeeks so we can get an explanation on why the EU are right about invoking Article 16 and this is actually the UK Government's fault?
The plaintive cries from various PBers requesting the presence of other PBers is most touching. That they didn't seem awfully keen on those posters' contributions when they were here is another thing, but who needs consistency?
Ah, @Theuniondivvie you haven't been paying attention. When Alastair writes, I usually thank for his articles. Even if I disagree with his viewpoint, I learn new things and he always articulates his points well, unless certain posters on here....
Anyway, what do you reckon Nicola's view on this, divvie?
Far be it from me to leap to her defence, but we shouldn't expect statements from Nicola Sturgeon about this fiasco. The Scottish Government (and, for that matter, the Welsh one too, which as been forgotten in the pile on like it usually is) has no responsibility in this area.
I'm sure she's watching the whole fiasco unfold with a degree of trepidation, however, and hoping that the EU doesn't do anything even more stupid over the next few weeks. A radical deterioration in UK-EU relations would be a disaster for her.
If the Leave.EU people are as tactically smart as they used to be, there will soon be a very prominent counter appearing which tallies how many people are alive today who would be dead if we had stayed in the EU and been tied to their failed vaccine procurement. Not that hard to calculate and only going to go in one direction unless something very surprising happens.
Numbers painted on the side of a bus stuck at Folkestone waiting for clearance to enter France.
Hire a spare fishing boat and project them on the white cliffs. Might need good damping though.
It was a shock on yesterdays BBC 10 oclock news to hear one of their correspondents in the studio talking about vaccine nationalism on the part of EU countries. First time theyve said anything negative about the EU for about 30 years.
You know its bad when even the gruardian say the EU have thrown all their toys out the pram.
I went to their website thinking "alright, let's hear the excuses about the EU not being right etc" but, to their credit, they did not do so.
I suppose it's helped to partially temporarily obscure the disaster of them releasing the AZ contract to reveal that it said exactly what AZ said it did.
Go on - what level of dipshit technocrat signed off on this then
It's great to know that "Article 16" - which, as the EU has often told us, is the Irish politico-diplomatic equivalent of the nuclear button - can be "inadvertently triggered" by some silly underling
How do you do that? Did he slip on a mango skin in an office in Brussels and thus fall backwards onto a huge keyboard with only one key marked "FUCK IRELAND"?
Even a relative Europhile like me is not looking forward to the time when there's a nuclear capable EU Armed Force...
"Sorry, that warhead was inadvertently triggered by some silly underling - please ignore the explosion"
And for the record, I think the EU has screwed up royally this past week; I hope they learn the lesson.
Indeed, the rate of foolishness by some in the EU this week has been matched only by the rate of hyperventilation from some PB posters over the last days.
As the UK and EU diverge, that Rejoin will fall away. Also, there is almost zero appetite for another divisive referendum for the foreseeable future. All my Remainer friends, even the most ardent, have no appetite to revive the argument. They have accepted. They are sad. They regret it, But they accept it. I literally don't know anyone who wants "another vote"
We are out. And we will stay out probably forever.
What is possible is us rejoining a version of the Single Market, in a few years. But both sides will have to give ground, and they will, as this will be mutually beneficial
Just quoting the polling.
Note this is not a "do you think Brexit was a mistake?" poll, but rather a question for a new referendum on Rejoin.
Clearly there is not going to be this parliament, but this is far from a dead issue, despite your Albanian taxi driver mates.
Give it up. It will only pain you, for decades, if you cling on to it.
That is serious advice. Holding on to an unrealisable dream can damage an entire life. I have seen it in my own circle.
Let it go. We are out. So be it. Deal with the downsides (and yes there will be many), allow yourself to be happily surprised by the upsides. And if, by some miracle, we do eventually rejoin, then you can pop the unexpected champagne and good for you.
Don't immiserate yourself by chasing a thing that forever recedes
Seems unlikely Merkel would try that. Wasn't she in Merkel's Cabinet for over 10 years?
Edit: No idea who they are, but this site even says the pair 'have ruled Germany together for 15 years', which seems like an overstatement. It does say Ursula was the last survivor of Merkel's first cabinet, but it was not always a harmonious relationship.
Has anyone seen @AlastairMeeks so we can get an explanation on why the EU are right about invoking Article 16 and this is actually the UK Government's fault?
The plaintive cries from various PBers requesting the presence of other PBers is most touching. That they didn't seem awfully keen on those posters' contributions when they were here is another thing, but who needs consistency?
Ah, @Theuniondivvie you haven't been paying attention. When Alastair writes, I usually thank for his articles. Even if I disagree with his viewpoint, I learn new things and he always articulates his points well, unless certain posters on here....
Anyway, what do you reckon Nicola's view on this, divvie?
Far be it from me to leap to her defence, but we shouldn't expect statements from Nicola Sturgeon about this fiasco. The Scottish Government (and, for that matter, the Welsh one too, which as been forgotten in the pile on like it usually is) has no responsibility in this area.
I'm sure she's watching the whole fiasco unfold with a degree of trepidation, however, and hoping that the EU doesn't do anything even more stupid over the next few weeks. A radical deterioration in UK-EU relations would be a disaster for her.
I'll have to disagree with you there @Black_Rook which is one of the few times I do. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. Nicola is very happy to put her oar in on all manner of stuff, which lies outside her remit. So the fact she is keeping silent on such a fundamental issue should be taken as a sign that all the stuff she sprouts about principles and so is nothing more than a pile of horse sh1t.
That was before the EU commission went publicly insane.
One thing that we know about Brexit is that minds are not easily changed.
Plenty on evidence on here they are changing rapidly
Is this crisis really about the UK and Eire? How are the back of the queue East European nations going to take this? Could this eventually lead to other leavers? Hungary isn't the only unhappy one and Putin will devote effort and resources to help stir more troubles for the EU.
As the UK and EU diverge, that Rejoin will fall away. Also, there is almost zero appetite for another divisive referendum for the foreseeable future. All my Remainer friends, even the most ardent, have no appetite to revive the argument. They have accepted. They are sad. They regret it, But they accept it. I literally don't know anyone who wants "another vote"
We are out. And we will stay out probably forever.
What is possible is us rejoining a version of the Single Market, in a few years. But both sides will have to give ground, and they will, as this will be mutually beneficial
Just quoting the polling.
Note this is not a "do you think Brexit was a mistake?" poll, but rather a question for a new referendum on Rejoin.
Clearly there is not going to be this parliament, but this is far from a dead issue, despite your Albanian taxi driver mates.
Give it up. It will only pain you, for decades, if you cling on to it.
That is serious advice. Holding on to an unrealisable dream can damage an entire life. I have seen it in my own circle.
Let it go. We are out. So be it. Deal with the downsides (and yes there will be many), allow yourself to be happily surprised by the upsides. And if, by some miracle, we do eventually rejoin, then you can pop the unexpected champagne and good for you.
Don't immiserate yourself by chasing a thing that forever recedes
Question - does anyone know how to block a number so that they can't leave you voicemail?
Will prevent me from having to report my ex for harassment...
It's easy on an iPhone. Just open their card in your contacts and hit "block". Other smartphones are available though.
That doesn't stop it reaching voicemail it just stops your phone ringing. If the person leaves a message you still get told a voice mail has been left.
My ex (we have a nearly 20 year old son) has been this mad before. Now she is making all kinds of crazy legal threats which are frankly laughable. But she isn't taking no for an answer and wants more money for our "child" because any court would say what I have provided isn't sufficient for one in full-time education.
Yes. But we have an adult son. Not a child. Who is not in education at all (gap year). And she has spent the £5k I voluntarily provided to keep him this year. Please. Sue me. All I am getting is "you are buying a 5 bedroom house for two of your children whilst your eldest child isn't benefiting.
Yes yes, except that he can live with me when not at uni (starts a year late in September), knows he has an endless invite to do so. And he isn't a child as he's nearly fucking 20. I had the police on her two years back for attempted blackmail and harassment. They were interested. Our son brokered a truce. Shouldn't have let him...
Question - does anyone know how to block a number so that they can't leave you voicemail?
Will prevent me from having to report my ex for harassment...
It's easy on an iPhone. Just open their card in your contacts and hit "block". Other smartphones are available though.
That doesn't stop it reaching voicemail it just stops your phone ringing. If the person leaves a message you still get told a voice mail has been left.
My ex (we have a nearly 20 year old son) has been this mad before. Now she is making all kinds of crazy legal threats which are frankly laughable. But she isn't taking no for an answer and wants more money for our "child" because any court would say what I have provided isn't sufficient for one in full-time education.
Yes. But we have an adult son. Not a child. Who is not in education at all (gap year). And she has spent the £5k I voluntarily provided to keep him this year. Please. Sue me. All I am getting is "you are buying a 5 bedroom house for two of your children whilst your eldest child isn't benefiting.
Yes yes, except that he can live with me when not at uni (starts a year late in September), knows he has an endless invite to do so. And he isn't a child as he's nearly fucking 20. I had the police on her two years back for attempted blackmail and harassment. They were interested. Our son brokered a truce. Shouldn't have let him...
That sounds particularly difficult RP. Hopefully a block & your move might move things on a bit.
Has anyone seen @AlastairMeeks so we can get an explanation on why the EU are right about invoking Article 16 and this is actually the UK Government's fault?
The plaintive cries from various PBers requesting the presence of other PBers is most touching. That they didn't seem awfully keen on those posters' contributions when they were here is another thing, but who needs consistency?
Like taking playful if spiteful comments from others too seriously perhaps. God forbid people should be consistent on that before opining on others.
Consistency is overrated anyway.
I think you're taking it too seriously kle4 if you think I'm being spiteful. I'm sure Alastair can take the gentle joke.
I also said playful. Snide may have been a better word choice. He's a big boy, he could take it.
Has anyone seen @AlastairMeeks so we can get an explanation on why the EU are right about invoking Article 16 and this is actually the UK Government's fault?
The plaintive cries from various PBers requesting the presence of other PBers is most touching. That they didn't seem awfully keen on those posters' contributions when they were here is another thing, but who needs consistency?
Ah, @Theuniondivvie you haven't been paying attention. When Alastair writes, I usually thank for his articles. Even if I disagree with his viewpoint, I learn new things and he always articulates his points well, unless certain posters on here....
Anyway, what do you reckon Nicola's view on this, divvie?
Unless certain posters on here what?
I apologise for not paying enough attention to your no doubt excellent posts.
I assume she'd want the EU to sort their shit out asap, but since Sturgeon's rather more of an authentic statesperson than BJ she realises anything she says will be insufficiently patriotic for the vaccine nationalists & EUrophobes so is holding her peace. As I implied in another post, the hypocrisy of those whose constant refrain is that she should get on with the day job is noted.
OT. But "It's a Sin" is really evocative of mid 80s squalid London. Despite being filmed in Manchester. However, Le Mans Crescent, Bolton, as New York, I was not expecting!!
Yes, that was when I was a medical student there. It really is quite right in terms of sets and costumes. I remember the early days of AIDS well. When I was doing AIDS clinics in the early nineties, we rarely had a patient for more than a few months. It was bloody grim.
Go on - what level of dipshit technocrat signed off on this then
It's great to know that "Article 16" - which, as the EU has often told us, is the Irish politico-diplomatic equivalent of the nuclear button - can be "inadvertently triggered" by some silly underling
How do you do that? Did he slip on a mango skin in an office in Brussels and thus fall backwards onto a huge keyboard with only one key marked "FUCK IRELAND"?
Like those that turn up in A&E with a massive artisan dildo up their arse, which found its way there through a terrible unfortunate accident and isn't even their dildo....in fact they don't know what such things are.
I will explain this one last time. When I received the package from Leon (a gift for my wife) I decided to check it in case any of the flint was loose. As anyone who has worked with flint knows, such ap process is best done when the flint is wet so, naturally, I took the item into the shower with me. While in the shower I slipped on some soap and, well, the rest is history between me and the William Harvey Hospital A&E Department who will be recieving a sterm letter from my firm regarding breach of confidence.
A thoroughly proctological analysis, we can all agree.
I'm getting a bit worried about the power of my words. Last night I was strongly advocating that the UK include Ireland in its vaccination rollout. This morning I was suggesting that EU leadership was appearing somewhat Trumpian. Both ideas seem to have rather taken off over the following 24 hours.
Go on - what level of dipshit technocrat signed off on this then
It's great to know that "Article 16" - which, as the EU has often told us, is the Irish politico-diplomatic equivalent of the nuclear button - can be "inadvertently triggered" by some silly underling
How do you do that? Did he slip on a mango skin in an office in Brussels and thus fall backwards onto a huge keyboard with only one key marked "FUCK IRELAND"?
Even a relative Europhile like me is not looking forward to the time when there's a nuclear capable EU Armed Force...
"Sorry, that warhead was inadvertently triggered by some silly underling - please ignore the explosion"
And for the record, I think the EU has screwed up royally this past week; I hope they learn the lesson.
Indeed, the rate of foolishness by some in the EU this week has been matched only by the rate of hyperventilation from some PB posters over the last days.
Luckily we aren't in charge of a whole continent.
Yes. We overreact to things, all the time, but the occasional attempt to paint that with the same brush as those people with power over us, or power over others, is just plain weak.
We enjoy getting worked up about politics, but it is not unreasonable or hypocritical to expect those with power to be a little more responsible than us.
Question - does anyone know how to block a number so that they can't leave you voicemail?
Will prevent me from having to report my ex for harassment...
It's easy on an iPhone. Just open their card in your contacts and hit "block". Other smartphones are available though.
That doesn't stop it reaching voicemail it just stops your phone ringing. If the person leaves a message you still get told a voice mail has been left.
My ex (we have a nearly 20 year old son) has been this mad before. Now she is making all kinds of crazy legal threats which are frankly laughable. But she isn't taking no for an answer and wants more money for our "child" because any court would say what I have provided isn't sufficient for one in full-time education.
Yes. But we have an adult son. Not a child. Who is not in education at all (gap year). And she has spent the £5k I voluntarily provided to keep him this year. Please. Sue me. All I am getting is "you are buying a 5 bedroom house for two of your children whilst your eldest child isn't benefiting.
Yes yes, except that he can live with me when not at uni (starts a year late in September), knows he has an endless invite to do so. And he isn't a child as he's nearly fucking 20. I had the police on her two years back for attempted blackmail and harassment. They were interested. Our son brokered a truce. Shouldn't have let him...
That's rough mate - hope you can get resolved quickly
Has anyone seen @AlastairMeeks so we can get an explanation on why the EU are right about invoking Article 16 and this is actually the UK Government's fault?
The plaintive cries from various PBers requesting the presence of other PBers is most touching. That they didn't seem awfully keen on those posters' contributions when they were here is another thing, but who needs consistency?
Ah, @Theuniondivvie you haven't been paying attention. When Alastair writes, I usually thank for his articles. Even if I disagree with his viewpoint, I learn new things and he always articulates his points well, unless certain posters on here....
Anyway, what do you reckon Nicola's view on this, divvie?
Far be it from me to leap to her defence, but we shouldn't expect statements from Nicola Sturgeon about this fiasco. The Scottish Government (and, for that matter, the Welsh one too, which as been forgotten in the pile on like it usually is) has no responsibility in this area.
I'm sure she's watching the whole fiasco unfold with a degree of trepidation, however, and hoping that the EU doesn't do anything even more stupid over the next few weeks. A radical deterioration in UK-EU relations would be a disaster for her.
This whole shebang does, rather, torpedo her "Leave the UK to join the Fabulous EU" policy somewhere below the waterline
Of course it was all bollocks, and probably deserves to be scuttled, as in 2014 the SNP's referendum policy was exactly this: vote Yes to leave the UK and the EU, simultaneously. Then it magically changed, overnight
Question - does anyone know how to block a number so that they can't leave you voicemail?
Will prevent me from having to report my ex for harassment...
I don't know the voicemail bit but for Samsung phones if you click on a missed call there will be a small print button saying that you can block them. It goes straight to voicemail though I think, but is blocked at least.
Has anyone seen @AlastairMeeks so we can get an explanation on why the EU are right about invoking Article 16 and this is actually the UK Government's fault?
The plaintive cries from various PBers requesting the presence of other PBers is most touching. That they didn't seem awfully keen on those posters' contributions when they were here is another thing, but who needs consistency?
Ah, @Theuniondivvie you haven't been paying attention. When Alastair writes, I usually thank for his articles. Even if I disagree with his viewpoint, I learn new things and he always articulates his points well, unless certain posters on here....
Anyway, what do you reckon Nicola's view on this, divvie?
Far be it from me to leap to her defence, but we shouldn't expect statements from Nicola Sturgeon about this fiasco. The Scottish Government (and, for that matter, the Welsh one too, which as been forgotten in the pile on like it usually is) has no responsibility in this area.
I'm sure she's watching the whole fiasco unfold with a degree of trepidation, however, and hoping that the EU doesn't do anything even more stupid over the next few weeks. A radical deterioration in UK-EU relations would be a disaster for her.
Has anyone seen @AlastairMeeks so we can get an explanation on why the EU are right about invoking Article 16 and this is actually the UK Government's fault?
The plaintive cries from various PBers requesting the presence of other PBers is most touching. That they didn't seem awfully keen on those posters' contributions when they were here is another thing, but who needs consistency?
Ah, @Theuniondivvie you haven't been paying attention. When Alastair writes, I usually thank for his articles. Even if I disagree with his viewpoint, I learn new things and he always articulates his points well, unless certain posters on here....
Anyway, what do you reckon Nicola's view on this, divvie?
I'd be more interested in hearing TUD's own view, and Carnyx's too. Both are clearly finding the outpouring of Brexitism on PB quite revolting, but I'd be interested in an honest take on the situation itself from either of both of them
Somehow, I doubt we will get that. More likely they will keep quiet so they don't have to say anything about the Blessed St Nicola of Scotland
Good predictin'. Kudos also for adopting the argot of the Scotch expert like a natural.
Question - does anyone know how to block a number so that they can't leave you voicemail?
Will prevent me from having to report my ex for harassment...
It's easy on an iPhone. Just open their card in your contacts and hit "block". Other smartphones are available though.
That doesn't stop it reaching voicemail it just stops your phone ringing. If the person leaves a message you still get told a voice mail has been left.
My ex (we have a nearly 20 year old son) has been this mad before. Now she is making all kinds of crazy legal threats which are frankly laughable. But she isn't taking no for an answer and wants more money for our "child" because any court would say what I have provided isn't sufficient for one in full-time education.
Yes. But we have an adult son. Not a child. Who is not in education at all (gap year). And she has spent the £5k I voluntarily provided to keep him this year. Please. Sue me. All I am getting is "you are buying a 5 bedroom house for two of your children whilst your eldest child isn't benefiting.
Yes yes, except that he can live with me when not at uni (starts a year late in September), knows he has an endless invite to do so. And he isn't a child as he's nearly fucking 20. I had the police on her two years back for attempted blackmail and harassment. They were interested. Our son brokered a truce. Shouldn't have let him...
That sounds particularly difficult RP. Hopefully a block & your move might move things on a bit.
I don't have the heart to point out that its a 6 bedroom house I'm buying, not 5.
My son is welcome in my house now and always. He knows that. He doesn't have to stay with the lunatic woman who tells him in all sincerity that the moon is hollow because she has seen a documentary proving that NASA faked the moon landings.
Question - does anyone know how to block a number so that they can't leave you voicemail?
Will prevent me from having to report my ex for harassment...
It's easy on an iPhone. Just open their card in your contacts and hit "block". Other smartphones are available though.
That doesn't stop it reaching voicemail it just stops your phone ringing. If the person leaves a message you still get told a voice mail has been left.
My ex (we have a nearly 20 year old son) has been this mad before. Now she is making all kinds of crazy legal threats which are frankly laughable. But she isn't taking no for an answer and wants more money for our "child" because any court would say what I have provided isn't sufficient for one in full-time education.
Yes. But we have an adult son. Not a child. Who is not in education at all (gap year). And she has spent the £5k I voluntarily provided to keep him this year. Please. Sue me. All I am getting is "you are buying a 5 bedroom house for two of your children whilst your eldest child isn't benefiting.
Yes yes, except that he can live with me when not at uni (starts a year late in September), knows he has an endless invite to do so. And he isn't a child as he's nearly fucking 20. I had the police on her two years back for attempted blackmail and harassment. They were interested. Our son brokered a truce. Shouldn't have let him...
Commiserations. My brother went through an acrimonious break up, mercifully all are now reconciled...good luck.
Question - does anyone know how to block a number so that they can't leave you voicemail?
Will prevent me from having to report my ex for harassment...
It's easy on an iPhone. Just open their card in your contacts and hit "block". Other smartphones are available though.
That doesn't stop it reaching voicemail it just stops your phone ringing. If the person leaves a message you still get told a voice mail has been left.
My ex (we have a nearly 20 year old son) has been this mad before. Now she is making all kinds of crazy legal threats which are frankly laughable. But she isn't taking no for an answer and wants more money for our "child" because any court would say what I have provided isn't sufficient for one in full-time education.
Yes. But we have an adult son. Not a child. Who is not in education at all (gap year). And she has spent the £5k I voluntarily provided to keep him this year. Please. Sue me. All I am getting is "you are buying a 5 bedroom house for two of your children whilst your eldest child isn't benefiting.
Yes yes, except that he can live with me when not at uni (starts a year late in September), knows he has an endless invite to do so. And he isn't a child as he's nearly fucking 20. I had the police on her two years back for attempted blackmail and harassment. They were interested. Our son brokered a truce. Shouldn't have let him...
That sounds particularly difficult RP. Hopefully a block & your move might move things on a bit.
I don't have the heart to point out that its a 6 bedroom house I'm buying, not 5.
My son is welcome in my house now and always. He knows that. He doesn't have to stay with the lunatic woman who tells him in all sincerity that the moon is hollow because she has seen a documentary proving that NASA faked the moon landings.
Article 16 is today's Schleswig-Holstein question.
"Only three people have ever really understood the Schleswig-Holstein business—the Prince Consort, who is dead—a German professor, who has gone mad—and I, who have forgotten all about it."
It was a shock on yesterdays BBC 10 oclock news to hear one of their correspondents in the studio talking about vaccine nationalism on the part of EU countries. First time theyve said anything negative about the EU for about 30 years.
You know its bad when even the gruardian say the EU have thrown all their toys out the pram.
I went to their website thinking "alright, let's hear the excuses about the EU not being right etc" but, to their credit, they did not do so.
Which indicates their objectivity. If only sundry right wing rags would take a leaf we might get somewhere.
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Might concentrate a few minds in Ireland as well as to how much the EU is their friend.
How do you do that? Did he slip on a mango skin in an office in Brussels and thus fall backwards onto a huge keyboard with only one key marked "FUCK IRELAND"?
https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1355270817316282376
The EU commission went publicly insane at least 25 years ago, probably more.
Will prevent me from having to report my ex for harassment...
https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1355269711676796933?s=20
It involved a police escort to A and E
https://twitter.com/DuncanWeldon/status/1355270477338521606?s=20
Consistency is overrated anyway.
"Sorry, that warhead was inadvertently triggered by some silly underling - please ignore the explosion"
And for the record, I think the EU has screwed up royally this past week; I hope they learn the lesson.
Note this is not a "do you think Brexit was a mistake?" poll, but rather a question for a new referendum on Rejoin.
Clearly there is not going to be this parliament, but this is far from a dead issue, despite your Albanian taxi driver mates.
Anyway, what do you reckon Nicola's view on this, divvie?
However, Le Mans Crescent, Bolton, as New York, I was not expecting!!
https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1355271994409889801?s=20
https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201229
The trouble is, they can still leave you a voicemail even if you won't get a notification. You can always switch off voicemail for a bit but that might not be okay for you.
Changing the number is the other, starker, choice.
Tbh loads of journalists within the EU are having a go at them.
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1355273434201284609?s=20
People with this qualification sound like the sort of people using the European Commission Vaccine programme.
https://youtu.be/DBpgcZ1zYJs?t=20
"If a safeguard measure taken by the Union or the United Kingdom, as the case may be, in accordance with paragraph 1 creates an imbalance between the rights and obligations under this Protocol, the Union or the United Kingdom, as the case may be, may take such proportionate rebalancing measures as are strictly necessary to remedy the imbalance."
I'm sure she's watching the whole fiasco unfold with a degree of trepidation, however, and hoping that the EU doesn't do anything even more stupid over the next few weeks. A radical deterioration in UK-EU relations would be a disaster for her.
That is serious advice. Holding on to an unrealisable dream can damage an entire life. I have seen it in my own circle.
Let it go. We are out. So be it. Deal with the downsides (and yes there will be many), allow yourself to be happily surprised by the upsides. And if, by some miracle, we do eventually rejoin, then you can pop the unexpected champagne and good for you.
Don't immiserate yourself by chasing a thing that forever recedes
Edit: No idea who they are, but this site even says the pair 'have ruled Germany together for 15 years', which seems like an overstatement. It does say Ursula was the last survivor of Merkel's first cabinet, but it was not always a harmonious relationship.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/future-eu/news/merkel-and-von-der-leyen-two-long-time-companinions-guiding-europe/
https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1355274417979404289?s=20
Yes. But we have an adult son. Not a child. Who is not in education at all (gap year). And she has spent the £5k I voluntarily provided to keep him this year. Please. Sue me. All I am getting is "you are buying a 5 bedroom house for two of your children whilst your eldest child isn't benefiting.
Yes yes, except that he can live with me when not at uni (starts a year late in September), knows he has an endless invite to do so. And he isn't a child as he's nearly fucking 20. I had the police on her two years back for attempted blackmail and harassment. They were interested. Our son brokered a truce. Shouldn't have let him...
I apologise for not paying enough attention to your no doubt excellent posts.
I assume she'd want the EU to sort their shit out asap, but since Sturgeon's rather more of an authentic statesperson than BJ she realises anything she says will be insufficiently patriotic for the vaccine nationalists & EUrophobes so is holding her peace. As I implied in another post, the hypocrisy of those whose constant refrain is that she should get on with the day job is noted.
We enjoy getting worked up about politics, but it is not unreasonable or hypocritical to expect those with power to be a little more responsible than us.
Of course it was all bollocks, and probably deserves to be scuttled, as in 2014 the SNP's referendum policy was exactly this: vote Yes to leave the UK and the EU, simultaneously. Then it magically changed, overnight
https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1355227858118078467
Kudos also for adopting the argot of the Scotch expert like a natural.
My son is welcome in my house now and always. He knows that. He doesn't have to stay with the lunatic woman who tells him in all sincerity that the moon is hollow because she has seen a documentary proving that NASA faked the moon landings.
"Only three people have ever really understood the Schleswig-Holstein business—the Prince Consort, who is dead—a German professor, who has gone mad—and I, who have forgotten all about it."