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Well, yeah. If Trump likes something, it’s safe to assume it’s bad.Endillion said:
Would the opposite response have been a good thing in practice, regardless of your personal feelings?Gallowgate said:
Is this supposed to be a good thing?HYUFD said:0 -
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Harold Wilson saw off 3 Tory PMs (though he did become PM himself, and briefly lost to one of those Tories, during that time).Dura_Ace said:
Will Corbo be the only LotO to have seen off 3 PMs?eek said:
November 19th is the important date. If Boris leaves before then he will be in the history books as the shortest reigning PM...Foxy said:
Considering his slightly lukewarm lead from the MPs and the suppossed fanaticism of the swivel eyed entryist membership, that is a faint hearted endorsement.surbiton19 said:
Very clever, DUDE !HYUFD said:
I believe all the ConHome surveys had Boris 65%+surbiton19 said:What did the ConHome poll say, HYUFD ? In numbers or percentages.
Here it is:
https://www.conservativehome.com/tag/next-tory-leader 73:27. So Mike was correct. Boris always underachieves what polls say.
Is there a Boris out by Christmas market yet?0 -
It was Boris phoning in wasn't it?TGOHF said:Caller on R5 re Boris
"This is the worst thing that has ever happened to me "
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HYUFD said:
It’s been a long time since our country has been in the hands of someone so unsuitable and undeserving. There must have been somebody more recently than King John, but it isn’t obvious who.0 -
Seen off is such a silly way of referring to such events when clearly factors beyond the loto play a huge part. No doubt that's how he will spin it though, and in fairness if not for the racism scandals he might well be better than Boris, who hardly has clean hands.Dura_Ace said:
Will Corbo be the only LotO to have seen off 3 PMs?eek said:
November 19th is the important date. If Boris leaves before then he will be in the history books as the shortest reigning PM...Foxy said:
Considering his slightly lukewarm lead from the MPs and the suppossed fanaticism of the swivel eyed entryist membership, that is a faint hearted endorsement.surbiton19 said:
Very clever, DUDE !HYUFD said:
I believe all the ConHome surveys had Boris 65%+surbiton19 said:What did the ConHome poll say, HYUFD ? In numbers or percentages.
Here it is:
https://www.conservativehome.com/tag/next-tory-leader 73:27. So Mike was correct. Boris always underachieves what polls say.
Is there a Boris out by Christmas market yet?0 -
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He certainly phones it in a lot.rottenborough said:
It was Boris phoning in wasn't it?TGOHF said:Caller on R5 re Boris
"This is the worst thing that has ever happened to me "
LOL !0 -
Why ? Cricket is better than all other sports including golf. The Open was a boring tournament this year.DecrepitJohnL said:
What surprised me about this summer of sport is hearing more comments on the cricket than the Open golf.Stereotomy said:
Christ, there's more cricket? Haven't we had enough?FrancisUrquhart said:This doesn't look good for the Ashes...
England fast bowler James Anderson has been ruled out of his side's Ashes warm-up Test against Ireland at Lord's. Fast bowlers Mark Wood and Jofra Archer have side strains and were not named in the squad for the Ireland game, which starts on Wednesday.
Wood is unlikely to be fit before the fourth Ashes Test, which starts on 4 September, while England hope Archer could be available for the second Test, starting on 14 August.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/49082928
Broad, Woakes and Curran medium fast deliveries aren't exactly going to worry the convicts.
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Well bf has paid out on May's exit date so today is when they think it is. Which is strange but I'm not complaining!viewcode said:As pointed out earlier this year following the March debacle, my political betting this year will consist mostly of currency conversion, so I did not have a dog in this fight. It seems to have been an object lesson in how to win money on the Con leadership election. I think Boris will be PM for longer than most people on here think, so those lessons will not be useful for some time, but good lessons nevertheless.
So. Congratulations to those who won money and genuine commiserations to those who lost: I hope you recoup your losses. Special mention to @HYUFD and @TheScreamingEagles , who spotted Boris and Hunt respectively.
So. What's next?...
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You have to be have been a member for three months on the date they call the election, to be eligible to vote. So if you want a vote next time, better join up soon!rkrkrk said:
What are the rules on rejoining when there is a new contest? If you're not allowed to vote in a future contest, then makes sense to stay and wait [and it might not be that long tbh...]kle4 said:
You can also always rejoin, so why lay low during the dark times?surbiton19 said:
That is a big step, Richard. Are you sure ?Richard_Nabavi said:
It's written and ready to go once we have the formal announcement. For logistical reasons it will be sent tomorrow.GIN1138 said:Has Nabavi sent his resignation letter in yet?
I resigned from Labour in 2003 but that was about a war. You can always "remain" a member but lie low.0 -
Me too. He's not stupid. Vain, egotistical, inconsistent, lazy, unreliable but not stupid. We can only hope.kle4 said:
I hope he does well for all our sakes. But the man is a complete bullshitter relying on saying belief is enough to do anything. I hope he is more serious and gets lucky fast, as we all need it.DavidL said:
The dishonesty, incompetence and sheer dullness of the May years imposed a heavy price on the party. It is almost acceptable if someone is Machiavellian in a competent way and delivers effective government but she had all the cunning of a latter series Baldrick and left the country and the party in a terrible place.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's not so much that the party has chosen Boris, although that's bad enough, it's the reasons why they've chosen him. Hardly anyone I've talked to think he's actually fit to be PM, it's a choice not only of desperation, but above all of denial. They have chosen Boris not despite the fact that he's peddling fairy dust, but precisely because they know he's peddling fairy dust, and that's what they want.surbiton19 said:
That is a big step, Richard. Are you sure ?Richard_Nabavi said:
It's written and ready to go once we have the formal announcement. For logistical reasons it will be sent tomorrow.GIN1138 said:Has Nabavi sent his resignation letter in yet?
I resigned from Labour in 2003 but that was about a war. You can always "remain" a member but lie low.
That has driven the party and the country to a less nuanced, more committed position on both sides of the divide. It will be Boris' challenge to find a way by which he can deliver a policy around which a consensus can build and to work on developing that consensus. Can he do it? Who knows but almost anything has to be better than the last 3 years.
There is a lot of bitterness and cynicism, far more than any new PM I can recall, but we really should all wish him well. Its our country, after all.0 -
https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2019/jul/23/debt-ceiling-trade-war-rate-cut-brexit-pound-market-imf-world-economy-business-live?page=with:block-5d36df1f8f08d0b6ca536009#block-5d36df1f8f08d0b6ca536009
UK factory orders shrink at biggest pace since financial crisis
OUCH! UK factory orders have fallen at the fastest pace in a decade, as Brexit uncertainty continues to hurt British manufacturing.
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Just about t go back from lunch, so just thought I'd leave you with a little thought. Everybody on here is insisting hat Boris will be a short-lived pm. But that depends on his opponents, internal and external, behaving with more competence and courage than they have shown in the past. So it is entirely possible that Boris will continue and win for some time. I genuinely don't know, but I do think that possibility should not be insouciantly dismissed.1
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Sorry if I missed it, but who did you vote for?DavidL said:
Me too. He's not stupid. Vain, egotistical, inconsistent, lazy, unreliable but not stupid. We can only hope.kle4 said:
I hope he does well for all our sakes. But the man is a complete bullshitter relying on saying belief is enough to do anything. I hope he is more serious and gets lucky fast, as we all need it.DavidL said:
The dishonesty, incompetence and sheer dullness of the May years imposed a heavy price on the party. It is almost acceptable if someone is Machiavellian in a competent way and delivers effective government but she had all the cunning of a latter series Baldrick and left the country and the party in a terrible place.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's not so much that the party has chosen Boris, although that's bad enough, it's the reasons why they've chosen him. Hardly anyone I've talked to think he's actually fit to be PM, it's a choice not only of desperation, but above all of denial. They have chosen Boris not despite the fact that he's peddling fairy dust, but precisely because they know he's peddling fairy dust, and that's what they want.surbiton19 said:
That is a big step, Richard. Are you sure ?Richard_Nabavi said:
It's written and ready to go once we have the formal announcement. For logistical reasons it will be sent tomorrow.GIN1138 said:Has Nabavi sent his resignation letter in yet?
I resigned from Labour in 2003 but that was about a war. You can always "remain" a member but lie low.
That has driven the party and the country to a less nuanced, more committed position on both sides of the divide. It will be Boris' challenge to find a way by which he can deliver a policy around which a consensus can build and to work on developing that consensus. Can he do it? Who knows but almost anything has to be better than the last 3 years.
There is a lot of bitterness and cynicism, far more than any new PM I can recall, but we really should all wish him well. Its our country, after all.0 -
Huawei legimately have a set of 5G patents. You have to remember 5G is just what we currently have for 4G with incredibly tightened criteria to get everything out of it...FrancisUrquhart said:0 -
Just when you think the country has hit rock bottom the Conservative party finds a trap door.DavidL said:
The dishonesty, incompetence and sheer dullness of the May years imposed a heavy price on the party. It is almost acceptable if someone is Machiavellian in a competent way and delivers effective government but she had all the cunning of a latter series Baldrick and left the country and the party in a terrible place.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's not so much that the party has chosen Boris, although that's bad enough, it's the reasons why they've chosen him. Hardly anyone I've talked to think he's actually fit to be PM, it's a choice not only of desperation, but above all of denial. They have chosen Boris not despite the fact that he's peddling fairy dust, but precisely because they know he's peddling fairy dust, and that's what they want.surbiton19 said:
That is a big step, Richard. Are you sure ?Richard_Nabavi said:
It's written and ready to go once we have the formal announcement. For logistical reasons it will be sent tomorrow.GIN1138 said:Has Nabavi sent his resignation letter in yet?
I resigned from Labour in 2003 but that was about a war. You can always "remain" a member but lie low.
That has driven the party and the country to a less nuanced, more committed position on both sides of the divide. It will be Boris' challenge to find a way by which he can deliver a policy around which a consensus can build and to work on developing that consensus. Can he do it? Who knows but almost anything has to be better than the last 3 years.0 -
Is it me or has the official Labour response to Johnson’s election been slower than it was to Swinson’s?
I think that tells us a lot about who Labour fears most. Rightly, they see Johnson as a help, not a hindrance. Swinson is a threat.0 -
So.
We're about to be led, as a country, through a particularly trying period, by an inverted pyramid of Pfeffel.
Great.
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Trump has already congratulated Boris as PMChris said:If there are any MPs planning to leave the party, do people think they will go today, or wait until Johnson actually becomes prime minister? (At which point Donald Trump will presumably congratulate him on becoming leader of the Conservative Party.)
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That wasn't the question.Scott_P said:0 -
Under the 'the next leader is always worse' theory the big two will soon be led by Chris Williamson and Chris Chope.AlastairMeeks said:
Just when you think the country has hit rock bottom the Conservative party finds a trap door.DavidL said:
The dishonesty, incompetence and sheer dullness of the May years imposed a heavy price on the party. It is almost acceptable if someone is Machiavellian in a competent way and delivers effective government but she had all the cunning of a latter series Baldrick and left the country and the party in a terrible place.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's not so much that the party has chosen Boris, although that's bad enough, it's the reasons why they've chosen him. Hardly anyone I've talked to think he's actually fit to be PM, it's a choice not only of desperation, but above all of denial. They have chosen Boris not despite the fact that he's peddling fairy dust, but precisely because they know he's peddling fairy dust, and that's what they want.surbiton19 said:
That is a big step, Richard. Are you sure ?Richard_Nabavi said:
It's written and ready to go once we have the formal announcement. For logistical reasons it will be sent tomorrow.GIN1138 said:Has Nabavi sent his resignation letter in yet?
I resigned from Labour in 2003 but that was about a war. You can always "remain" a member but lie low.
That has driven the party and the country to a less nuanced, more committed position on both sides of the divide. It will be Boris' challenge to find a way by which he can deliver a policy around which a consensus can build and to work on developing that consensus. Can he do it? Who knows but almost anything has to be better than the last 3 years.0 -
I agree. He has appeal. Now he's made it to PM, it could be hard to get rid of him. His tenure could well be far longer than people are assuming.viewcode said:Just about t go back from lunch, so just thought I'd leave you with a little thought. Everybody on here is insisting hat Boris will be a short-lived pm. But that depends on his opponents, internal and external, behaving with more competence and courage than they have shown in the past. So it is entirely possible that Boris will continue and win for some time. I genuinely don't know, but I do think that possibility should not be insouciantly dismissed.
Although I do hope not, obviously.1 -
He projects an amiable self image but he isn’t likeable, in the least. As evidenced by the hoards of people who have worked closely with him who can’t stand him. Even his own children aren’t all speaking to him.Scott_P said:
He isn’t strong. Evidenced by the campaign we have just seen.
Maybe “not racist” should be top of the list. Assuming it is true.0 -
I didn't have a vote, I have never joined the Conservative party. But I would have voted for Rory, then Gove, then Hunt. But we are where we are.Danny565 said:
Sorry if I missed it, but who did you vote for?DavidL said:
Me too. He's not stupid. Vain, egotistical, inconsistent, lazy, unreliable but not stupid. We can only hope.kle4 said:
I hope he does well for all our sakes. But the man is a complete bullshitter relying on saying belief is enough to do anything. I hope he is more serious and gets lucky fast, as we all need it.DavidL said:
The dishonesty, incompetence and sheer dullness of the May years imposed a heavy price on the party. It is almost acceptable if someone is Machiavellian in a competent way and delivers effective government but she had all the cunning of a latter series Baldrick and left the country and the party in a terrible place.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's not so much that the party has chosen Boris, although that's bad enough, it's the reasons why they've chosen him. Hardly anyone I've talked to think he's actually fit to be PM, it's a choice not only of desperation, but above all of denial. They have chosen Boris not despite the fact that he's peddling fairy dust, but precisely because they know he's peddling fairy dust, and that's what they want.surbiton19 said:
That is a big step, Richard. Are you sure ?Richard_Nabavi said:
It's written and ready to go once we have the formal announcement. For logistical reasons it will be sent tomorrow.GIN1138 said:Has Nabavi sent his resignation letter in yet?
I resigned from Labour in 2003 but that was about a war. You can always "remain" a member but lie low.
That has driven the party and the country to a less nuanced, more committed position on both sides of the divide. It will be Boris' challenge to find a way by which he can deliver a policy around which a consensus can build and to work on developing that consensus. Can he do it? Who knows but almost anything has to be better than the last 3 years.
There is a lot of bitterness and cynicism, far more than any new PM I can recall, but we really should all wish him well. Its our country, after all.0 -
There's some pretty stiff competition, even among monarchs - Edward II, Richard II, Richard III, Mary I, Charles I, James II ...IanB2 said:HYUFD said:
It’s been a long time since our country has been in the hands of someone so unsuitable and undeserving. There must have been somebody more recently than King John, but it isn’t obvious who.0 -
The new mantra designed to dupe the plebs is to blame any slowdown on Brexit not happening , not the fact that it’s the fear of no deal which is the issue .surbiton19 said:https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2019/jul/23/debt-ceiling-trade-war-rate-cut-brexit-pound-market-imf-world-economy-business-live?page=with:block-5d36df1f8f08d0b6ca536009#block-5d36df1f8f08d0b6ca536009
UK factory orders shrink at biggest pace since financial crisis
OUCH! UK factory orders have fallen at the fastest pace in a decade, as Brexit uncertainty continues to hurt British manufacturing.0 -
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She’s no longer leader of the Conservative party, as of today.TOPPING said:
Well bf has paid out on May's exit date so today is when they think it is. Which is strange but I'm not complaining!viewcode said:As pointed out earlier this year following the March debacle, my political betting this year will consist mostly of currency conversion, so I did not have a dog in this fight. It seems to have been an object lesson in how to win money on the Con leadership election. I think Boris will be PM for longer than most people on here think, so those lessons will not be useful for some time, but good lessons nevertheless.
So. Congratulations to those who won money and genuine commiserations to those who lost: I hope you recoup your losses. Special mention to @HYUFD and @TheScreamingEagles , who spotted Boris and Hunt respectively.
So. What's next?...0 -
That was my point. He isn't PM yet!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Trump has already congratulated Boris as PMChris said:If there are any MPs planning to leave the party, do people think they will go today, or wait until Johnson actually becomes prime minister? (At which point Donald Trump will presumably congratulate him on becoming leader of the Conservative Party.)
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As long as he's never PM.... and only as long as Labour are Her Majesty's loyal opposition.Scott_P said:0 -
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Because golf gets more media attention and more money. Despite that, people do not seem to care very much about it.TGOHF said:
Why ? Cricket is better than all other sports including golf. The Open was a boring tournament this year.DecrepitJohnL said:
What surprised me about this summer of sport is hearing more comments on the cricket than the Open golf.Stereotomy said:
Christ, there's more cricket? Haven't we had enough?FrancisUrquhart said:This doesn't look good for the Ashes...
England fast bowler James Anderson has been ruled out of his side's Ashes warm-up Test against Ireland at Lord's. Fast bowlers Mark Wood and Jofra Archer have side strains and were not named in the squad for the Ireland game, which starts on Wednesday.
Wood is unlikely to be fit before the fourth Ashes Test, which starts on 4 September, while England hope Archer could be available for the second Test, starting on 14 August.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/49082928
Broad, Woakes and Curran medium fast deliveries aren't exactly going to worry the convicts.0 -
"Soon"? You underestimate how long the misery can be dragged out. We'll have to get through Angela Rayner and Gavin Williamson first.kle4 said:
Under the 'the next leader is always worse' theory the big two will soon be led by Chris Williamson and Chris Chope.AlastairMeeks said:
Just when you think the country has hit rock bottom the Conservative party finds a trap door.DavidL said:
The dishonesty, incompetence and sheer dullness of the May years imposed a heavy price on the party. It is almost acceptable if someone is Machiavellian in a competent way and delivers effective government but she had all the cunning of a latter series Baldrick and left the country and the party in a terrible place.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's not so much that the party has chosen Boris, although that's bad enough, it's the reasons why they've chosen him. Hardly anyone I've talked to think he's actually fit to be PM, it's a choice not only of desperation, but above all of denial. They have chosen Boris not despite the fact that he's peddling fairy dust, but precisely because they know he's peddling fairy dust, and that's what they want.surbiton19 said:
That is a big step, Richard. Are you sure ?Richard_Nabavi said:
It's written and ready to go once we have the formal announcement. For logistical reasons it will be sent tomorrow.GIN1138 said:Has Nabavi sent his resignation letter in yet?
I resigned from Labour in 2003 but that was about a war. You can always "remain" a member but lie low.
That has driven the party and the country to a less nuanced, more committed position on both sides of the divide. It will be Boris' challenge to find a way by which he can deliver a policy around which a consensus can build and to work on developing that consensus. Can he do it? Who knows but almost anything has to be better than the last 3 years.0 -
LOL!williamglenn said:
"Soon"? You underestimate how long the misery can be dragged out. We'll have to get through Angela Rayner and Gavin Williamson first.kle4 said:
Under the 'the next leader is always worse' theory the big two will soon be led by Chris Williamson and Chris Chope.AlastairMeeks said:
Just when you think the country has hit rock bottom the Conservative party finds a trap door.DavidL said:
The dishonesty, incompetence and sheer dullness of the May years imposed a heavy price on the party. It is almost acceptable if someone is Machiavellian in a competent way and delivers effective government but she had all the cunning of a latter series Baldrick and left the country and the party in a terrible place.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's not so much that the party has chosen Boris, although that's bad enough, it's the reasons why they've chosen him. Hardly anyone I've talked to think he's actually fit to be PM, it's a choice not only of desperation, but above all of denial. They have chosen Boris not despite the fact that he's peddling fairy dust, but precisely because they know he's peddling fairy dust, and that's what they want.surbiton19 said:
That is a big step, Richard. Are you sure ?Richard_Nabavi said:
It's written and ready to go once we have the formal announcement. For logistical reasons it will be sent tomorrow.GIN1138 said:Has Nabavi sent his resignation letter in yet?
I resigned from Labour in 2003 but that was about a war. You can always "remain" a member but lie low.
That has driven the party and the country to a less nuanced, more committed position on both sides of the divide. It will be Boris' challenge to find a way by which he can deliver a policy around which a consensus can build and to work on developing that consensus. Can he do it? Who knows but almost anything has to be better than the last 3 years.0 -
A poll of Labour members had Boris easily the Tory they feared most.SouthamObserver said:Is it me or has the official Labour response to Johnson’s election been slower than it was to Swinson’s?
I think that tells us a lot about who Labour fears most. Rightly, they see Johnson as a help, not a hindrance. Swinson is a threat.
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Tell that to the BBC live text writers too.Chris said:
That was my point. He isn't PM yet!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Trump has already congratulated Boris as PMChris said:If there are any MPs planning to leave the party, do people think they will go today, or wait until Johnson actually becomes prime minister? (At which point Donald Trump will presumably congratulate him on becoming leader of the Conservative Party.)
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Since when has detail been a Trump considerationChris said:
That was my point. He isn't PM yet!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Trump has already congratulated Boris as PMChris said:If there are any MPs planning to leave the party, do people think they will go today, or wait until Johnson actually becomes prime minister? (At which point Donald Trump will presumably congratulate him on becoming leader of the Conservative Party.)
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Mostly laziness on my part. Although you can’t judge by how things turned out; a fair comparison would be of their apparent suitability and merit at the point of taking office.Chris said:
There's some pretty stiff competition, even among monarchs - Edward II, Richard II, Richard III, Mary I, Charles I, James II ...IanB2 said:HYUFD said:
It’s been a long time since our country has been in the hands of someone so unsuitable and undeserving. There must have been somebody more recently than King John, but it isn’t obvious who.0 -
The huge money in golf is because it is a US sport I think. All their sports seem to have an absolubte crap ton of money in them compared to even the top of the footballing tree.DecrepitJohnL said:
Because golf gets more media attention and more money. Despite that, people do not seem to care very much about it.TGOHF said:
Why ? Cricket is better than all other sports including golf. The Open was a boring tournament this year.DecrepitJohnL said:
What surprised me about this summer of sport is hearing more comments on the cricket than the Open golf.Stereotomy said:
Christ, there's more cricket? Haven't we had enough?FrancisUrquhart said:This doesn't look good for the Ashes...
England fast bowler James Anderson has been ruled out of his side's Ashes warm-up Test against Ireland at Lord's. Fast bowlers Mark Wood and Jofra Archer have side strains and were not named in the squad for the Ireland game, which starts on Wednesday.
Wood is unlikely to be fit before the fourth Ashes Test, which starts on 4 September, while England hope Archer could be available for the second Test, starting on 14 August.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/49082928
Broad, Woakes and Curran medium fast deliveries aren't exactly going to worry the convicts.
In 50 years time the IPL contracts might look of similiar size to baseball, but not yet.0 -
Sky have just taken down their “New PM” banner that’s been up for the last hour.kle4 said:
Tell that to the BBC live text writers too.Chris said:
That was my point. He isn't PM yet!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Trump has already congratulated Boris as PMChris said:If there are any MPs planning to leave the party, do people think they will go today, or wait until Johnson actually becomes prime minister? (At which point Donald Trump will presumably congratulate him on becoming leader of the Conservative Party.)
Edit: Or maybe not, it’s back up again now.0 -
Just noticed on the BBC News at One that Penny Mordaunt looked less than thrilled during Boris's speech.0
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Why does the media insist on pedaling so much fake news !Sandpit said:
Sky have just taken down their “New PM” banner that’s been up for the last hour.kle4 said:
Tell that to the BBC live text writers too.Chris said:
That was my point. He isn't PM yet!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Trump has already congratulated Boris as PMChris said:If there are any MPs planning to leave the party, do people think they will go today, or wait until Johnson actually becomes prime minister? (At which point Donald Trump will presumably congratulate him on becoming leader of the Conservative Party.)
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He likes pizza. Is that bad?Gallowgate said:
Well, yeah. If Trump likes something, it’s safe to assume it’s bad.Endillion said:
Would the opposite response have been a good thing in practice, regardless of your personal feelings?Gallowgate said:
Is this supposed to be a good thing?HYUFD said:
My point was that, in practice, it's better that the sitting US president is on good terms with the UK PM (elect), than neutral or hostile. The same would also be true of the Russians, if you ignore what the PM would have to have done to bring about that turn of events.0 -
Not to mention PM Farage - one of HY’s predictions strangely forgotten, along with PM JRMwilliamglenn said:
"Soon"? You underestimate how long the misery can be dragged out. We'll have to get through Angela Rayner and Gavin Williamson first.kle4 said:
Under the 'the next leader is always worse' theory the big two will soon be led by Chris Williamson and Chris Chope.AlastairMeeks said:
Just when you think the country has hit rock bottom the Conservative party finds a trap door.DavidL said:
The dishonesty, incompetence and sheer dullness of the May years imposed a heavy price on the party. It is almost acceptable if someone is Machiavellian in a competent way and delivers effective government but she had all the cunning of a latter series Baldrick and left the country and the party in a terrible place.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's not so much that the party has chosen Boris, although that's bad enough, it's the reasons why they've chosen him. Hardly anyone I've talked to think he's actually fit to be PM, it's a choice not only of desperation, but above all of denial. They have chosen Boris not despite the fact that he's peddling fairy dust, but precisely because they know he's peddling fairy dust, and that's what they want.surbiton19 said:
That is a big step, Richard. Are you sure ?Richard_Nabavi said:
It's written and ready to go once we have the formal announcement. For logistical reasons it will be sent tomorrow.GIN1138 said:Has Nabavi sent his resignation letter in yet?
I resigned from Labour in 2003 but that was about a war. You can always "remain" a member but lie low.
That has driven the party and the country to a less nuanced, more committed position on both sides of the divide. It will be Boris' challenge to find a way by which he can deliver a policy around which a consensus can build and to work on developing that consensus. Can he do it? Who knows but almost anything has to be better than the last 3 years.0 -
I agree. On these things, Corbyn could genuinely claim that he was present, but not involved.kle4 said:
Seen off is such a silly way of referring to such events when clearly factors beyond the loto play a huge part. No doubt that's how he will spin it though, and in fairness if not for the racism scandals he might well be better than Boris, who hardly has clean hands.
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kinabalu said:
I agree. He has appeal. Now he's made it to PM, it could be hard to get rid of him. His tenure could well be far longer than people are assuming.viewcode said:Just about t go back from lunch, so just thought I'd leave you with a little thought. Everybody on here is insisting hat Boris will be a short-lived pm. But that depends on his opponents, internal and external, behaving with more competence and courage than they have shown in the past. So it is entirely possible that Boris will continue and win for some time. I genuinely don't know, but I do think that possibility should not be insouciantly dismissed.
Although I do hope not, obviously.
He is lucky Mrs M has left him so many copybooks.0 -
I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears, sweat, not very good jokes and incomprehensible classical allusions.0
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It was too close a vote for such an important decision.
The people didn't know what they were voting for.
Getting May out of Downing Street is going to be too difficult.
(etc)
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Edward VIII perhaps in that list?Chris said:
There's some pretty stiff competition, even among monarchs - Edward II, Richard II, Richard III, Mary I, Charles I, James II ...IanB2 said:HYUFD said:
It’s been a long time since our country has been in the hands of someone so unsuitable and undeserving. There must have been somebody more recently than King John, but it isn’t obvious who.0 -
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"Keep your trousers on Boris. Make sure you've got them on when you meet the Queen"
Shouted a well wisher outside parliament0 -
Looking across the pond, the Democratic nominee candidates who are 1st and 2nd in the polls continue to have odds of 5.5 and 12.5 respectively to win the nomination. The media seem to prefer a Warren, Harris or Buttigieg nomination to Biden or Sanders, but can that really account for such a disparity?
The 1.2 on Trump not being impeached in his first term seems generous too0 -
You are wrong.dixiedean said:
Incidentally, if everyone can keep talking up what a disaster he's going to be, that would be much appreciated. I voted for Hunt, but would be delighted to see Johnson succeed against my expectations. His task is easier with low expectations.0 -
How about pineapple on pizza?Endillion said:
He likes pizza. Is that bad?Gallowgate said:
Well, yeah. If Trump likes something, it’s safe to assume it’s bad.Endillion said:
Would the opposite response have been a good thing in practice, regardless of your personal feelings?Gallowgate said:
Is this supposed to be a good thing?HYUFD said:
My point was that, in practice, it's better that the sitting US president is on good terms with the UK PM (elect), than neutral or hostile. The same would also be true of the Russians, if you ignore what the PM would have to have done to bring about that turn of events.0 -
Getting 5g signals there will still be cheaper than laying cables - unless you do it yourself as B4RN organised...notme2 said:0 -
Tobias Ellwood is NOT resigning.0
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Fibre broadband is substantially more scalable than 5G is in densely packed areas with a high proportion of customers. It's generally more reliable too. 5G is likely to be very good for rural areas, although SpaceX's new satellite cluster might provide a plausible alternative for high speed broadband.eek said:
Getting 5g signals there will still be cheaper than laying cables - unless you do it yourself as B4RN organised...notme2 said:0 -
There seems to be a growing campaign against 5G because of supposed health risks. No idea whether there is anything to worry about, or not.OnboardG1 said:
Fibre broadband is substantially more scalable than 5G is in densely packed areas with a high proportion of customers. It's generally more reliable too. 5G is likely to be very good for rural areas, although SpaceX's new satellite cluster might provide a plausible alternative for high speed broadband.eek said:
Getting 5g signals there will still be cheaper than laying cables - unless you do it yourself as B4RN organised...notme2 said:0 -
It's a family affair.
https://twitter.com/IvankaTrump/status/1153637574386302976
Did Roy of the Rovers play for Kingston United at one point?
Edit: there is Kingston United 'soccer' club in Canada!0 -
Why? You also heard more comments about the cricket the previous time that a key cricket match was last shown live and in full on terrestrial TV - in 2005. Instead of rebuilding the sport on an Ashes triumph, coverage was promptly handed over to Sky and the opportunity was lost. Ever since, and until 2019, we have been reliant on short highlights at best. The question is whether the cricket authorities will have learnt the lesson that live exposure to a mass audience generates interest in a sport.DecrepitJohnL said:
What surprised me about this summer of sport is hearing more comments on the cricket than the Open golf.
More recently the numpties running golf in this country have taken the Sky shilling and in the process have seen golf wiped almost entirely off terrestrial TV, with predictable consequences.0 -
Harris at 2-1 is the funniest price all year.Stereotomy said:Looking across the pond, the Democratic nominee candidates who are 1st and 2nd in the polls continue to have odds of 5.5 and 12.5 respectively to win the nomination. The media seem to prefer a Warren, Harris or Buttigieg nomination to Biden or Sanders, but can that really account for such a disparity?
The 1.2 on Trump not being impeached in his first term seems generous too0 -
After a difficult start I felt Boris ran a decent campaign, which has been borne out by his winning margin. Speech was up and down but he is always engaging and you can see how he reaches people other politicians don't reach.0
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Why do they keep interviewing Stanley Johnson? He sounds like the bonkers relative they've kept hidden in the attic in Downton Abbey0
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Boris' win now lead story on ABC news USA, not often the US takes such notice of a new UK PM
https://abcnews.go.com
Boris also leads on ABC Australia and CNN
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/?pfmredir=sm
https://edition.cnn.com/uk/live-news/boris-johnson-jeremy-hunt-tuesday-dle-gbr-intl/index.
He is also in the headlines on Fox and TF1 in France0 -
As expected, Rory Stewart's out.
https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1153640542812721154
I wonder what message he's trying to send with the piccie?
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There isn't, it's bollocks. We've been using millimeter wave bands for seven decades in radar and there's not been any unusual increase in health effects in people who worked with those frequencies.IanB2 said:
There seems to be a growing campaign against 5G because of supposed health risks. No idea whether there is anything to worry about, or not.OnboardG1 said:
Fibre broadband is substantially more scalable than 5G is in densely packed areas with a high proportion of customers. It's generally more reliable too. 5G is likely to be very good for rural areas, although SpaceX's new satellite cluster might provide a plausible alternative for high speed broadband.eek said:
Getting 5g signals there will still be cheaper than laying cables - unless you do it yourself as B4RN organised...notme2 said:0 -
Brexit has got the UK lots of coverage across the world. We are the global laughing stock.HYUFD said:Boris' win now lead story on ABC news USA, not often the US takes such notice of a new UK PM
https://abcnews.go.com
Boris also leads on ABC Australia and CNN
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Contrast with the Tour de France. Interest growing year on year, although British near the top helps.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Why? You also heard more comments about the cricket the previous time that a key cricket match was last shown live and in full on terrestrial TV - in 2005. Instead of rebuilding the sport on an Ashes triumph, coverage was promptly handed over to Sky and the opportunity was lost. Ever since, and until 2019, we have been reliant on short highlights at best. The question is whether the cricket authorities will have learnt the lesson that live exposure to a mass audience generates interest in a sport.DecrepitJohnL said:
What surprised me about this summer of sport is hearing more comments on the cricket than the Open golf.
More recently the numpties running golf in this country have taken the Sky shilling and in the process have seen golf wiped almost entirely off terrestrial TV, with predictable consequences.0 -
No, we are now punching above our weight again, probably for the first time since Thatcher and Blair.IanB2 said:
Brexit has got the UK lots of coverage across the world. We are the global laughing stock.HYUFD said:Boris' win now lead story on ABC news USA, not often the US takes such notice of a new UK PM
https://abcnews.go.com
Boris also leads on ABC Australia and CNN
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/?pfmredir=sm
In a world of Trump, Bolsonaro, Modi and Salvini he is not that different either1 -
On the contrary, he's going to be a vast improvement on Theresa May, whose only competition but for the grace of god would have been Lord Halifax in 1940.IanB2 said:HYUFD said:
It’s been a long time since our country has been in the hands of someone so unsuitable and undeserving. There must have been somebody more recently than King John, but it isn’t obvious who.0 -
Definitely not compared to France. The terrorist attacks and yellow vests plus the hapless adventures of Macron put them a rung below us. Whenever I travel in the States people don't understand why we don't get Brexit done.IanB2 said:
Brexit has got the UK lots of coverage across the world. We are the global laughing stock.HYUFD said:Boris' win now lead story on ABC news USA, not often the US takes such notice of a new UK PM
https://abcnews.go.com
Boris also leads on ABC Australia and CNN
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Anyone with sense and judgment would wait a while before making calls like that. I presume you just do it for effect.HYUFD said:
No, we are now punching above our weight again, probably for the first time since Thatcher and BlairIanB2 said:
Brexit has got the UK lots of coverage across the world. We are the global laughing stock.HYUFD said:Boris' win now lead story on ABC news USA, not often the US takes such notice of a new UK PM
https://abcnews.go.com
Boris also leads on ABC Australia and CNN
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/?pfmredir=sm0 -
Maybe fewer entryists than supposed. It could just be hype.SandyRentool said:
Strip out the votes of the 40,000 entryists and it would have been a close result..Foxy said:
Considering his slightly lukewarm lead from the MPs and the suppossed fanaticism of the swivel eyed entryist membership, that is a faint hearted endorsement.surbiton19 said:
Very clever, DUDE !HYUFD said:
I believe all the ConHome surveys had Boris 65%+surbiton19 said:What did the ConHome poll say, HYUFD ? In numbers or percentages.
Here it is:
https://www.conservativehome.com/tag/next-tory-leader 73:27. So Mike was correct. Boris always underachieves what polls say.
Is there a Boris out by Christmas market yet?
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It's the best Tour in years.
Leader with a weak team around him, Ineos not in tip top form, best looking current rider with some time still to make up, Alps still to come.0 -
Americans in not understanding something shock. More on P94.Brom said:
Definitely not compared to France. The terrorist attacks and yellow vests plus the hapless adventures of Macron put them a rung below us. Whenever I travel in the States people don't understand why we don't get Brexit done.IanB2 said:
Brexit has got the UK lots of coverage across the world. We are the global laughing stock.HYUFD said:Boris' win now lead story on ABC news USA, not often the US takes such notice of a new UK PM
https://abcnews.go.com
Boris also leads on ABC Australia and CNN
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Is that unusual? I'm sure a change of leader in a major country would lead the news here, in the absence of a significant other story.HYUFD said:Boris' win now lead story on ABC news USA, not often the US takes such notice of a new UK PM
https://abcnews.go.com
Boris also leads on ABC Australia and CNN
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/?pfmredir=sm
https://edition.cnn.com/uk/live-news/boris-johnson-jeremy-hunt-tuesday-dle-gbr-intl/index.
He is also in the headlines on Fox and TF1 in France0 -
Can you actually remember Boris' time as mayor? I mean, jut look at the Garden Bridge, and the way he absolutely refused to even take part in the inquiry when it went on.Wulfrun_Phil said:
On the contrary, he's going to be a vast improvement on Theresa May, whose only competition but for the grace of god would have been Lord Halifax in 1940.IanB2 said:HYUFD said:
It’s been a long time since our country has been in the hands of someone so unsuitable and undeserving. There must have been somebody more recently than King John, but it isn’t obvious who.
That's the sort of PM he'll be, sadly.0 -
"punching above our weight" really means "out of his depth" fighting heavier opponents.HYUFD said:
No, we are now punching above our weight again, probably for the first time since Thatcher and Blair.IanB2 said:
Brexit has got the UK lots of coverage across the world. We are the global laughing stock.HYUFD said:Boris' win now lead story on ABC news USA, not often the US takes such notice of a new UK PM
https://abcnews.go.com
Boris also leads on ABC Australia and CNN
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/?pfmredir=sm
In a world of Trump, Bolsonaro, Modi and Salvini he is not that different either0 -
Id rather he not be their equivalents.HYUFD said:
No, we are now punching above our weight again, probably for the first time since Thatcher and Blair.IanB2 said:
Brexit has got the UK lots of coverage across the world. We are the global laughing stock.HYUFD said:Boris' win now lead story on ABC news USA, not often the US takes such notice of a new UK PM
https://abcnews.go.com
Boris also leads on ABC Australia and CNN
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/?pfmredir=sm
In a world of Trump, Bolsonaro, Modi and Salvini he is not that different either0 -
Kuennsberg. Big jobs to No Dealers. Otherwise balanced Cabinet.0
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Tbf I doubt you would understand how the house of representatives work. People only take a minor interest in other countries workings outside of the real geeks.OnboardG1 said:
Americans in not understanding something shock. More on P94.Brom said:
Definitely not compared to France. The terrorist attacks and yellow vests plus the hapless adventures of Macron put them a rung below us. Whenever I travel in the States people don't understand why we don't get Brexit done.IanB2 said:
Brexit has got the UK lots of coverage across the world. We are the global laughing stock.HYUFD said:Boris' win now lead story on ABC news USA, not often the US takes such notice of a new UK PM
https://abcnews.go.com
Boris also leads on ABC Australia and CNN
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Make a bold call early and you get kudos for being right, and people will forget wrong calls.IanB2 said:
Anyone with sense and judgment would wait a while before making calls like that. I presume you just do it for effect.HYUFD said:
No, we are now punching above our weight again, probably for the first time since Thatcher and BlairIanB2 said:
Brexit has got the UK lots of coverage across the world. We are the global laughing stock.HYUFD said:Boris' win now lead story on ABC news USA, not often the US takes such notice of a new UK PM
https://abcnews.go.com
Boris also leads on ABC Australia and CNN
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A (perhaps ex) Unionist speaks at the dawn of BJ world.
'The growing case for Scottish independence won’t be stopped through appeals to patriotism'
https://tinyurl.com/y5bxdgcw
I particularly liked
'For me, it is hard, today, to love one’s country. I do not feel very much like a patriot; I have never felt less like a patriot. I more often feel the unsought and unwelcome twitch of contempt, or the acid flash of rage. The good guys keep losing and the bad guys keep winning. Those who most extravagantly display the peacock feathers of their patriotism do so in ways that tarnish the very concept, whether turning their blazered backs in the European parliament, or waving a plasticated kipper around a stage, or sneering at the Irish, or offering up their pale, plump backsides as a smirking Donald Trump loosens his belt, or threatening to temporarily abolish parliament in pursuit of their otherwise unachievable goal. I am left thinking, what is this Britain? What have these people to do with me? Why must I be subject to their games and ambitions?'0 -
Are you saying that Italy is currently punching above its weight because of Salvini?HYUFD said:
No, we are now punching above our weight again, probably for the first time since Thatcher and Blair.IanB2 said:
Brexit has got the UK lots of coverage across the world. We are the global laughing stock.HYUFD said:Boris' win now lead story on ABC news USA, not often the US takes such notice of a new UK PM
https://abcnews.go.com
Boris also leads on ABC Australia and CNN
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/?pfmredir=sm
In a world of Trump, Bolsonaro, Modi and Salvini he is not that different either0 -
Add F1 to that list too, only the British GP now free to air. It’s hurting sponsorship rates for the teams as sponsors need large numbers of TV eyeballs. Only 1m or so now watch each race live on Sky, as opposed to 4-6m when it was on terrestrial TV.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Why? You also heard more comments about the cricket the previous time that a key cricket match was last shown live and in full on terrestrial TV - in 2005. Instead of rebuilding the sport on an Ashes triumph, coverage was promptly handed over to Sky and the opportunity was lost. Ever since, and until 2019, we have been reliant on short highlights at best. The question is whether the cricket authorities will have learnt the lesson that live exposure to a mass audience generates interest in a sport.DecrepitJohnL said:
What surprised me about this summer of sport is hearing more comments on the cricket than the Open golf.
More recently the numpties running golf in this country have taken the Sky shilling and in the process have seen golf wiped almost entirely off terrestrial TV, with predictable consequences.0 -
Nevertheless it is palpable nonsense that we are already punching above our weight.kle4 said:
Make a bold call early and you get kudos for being right, and people will forget wrong calls.IanB2 said:
Anyone with sense and judgment would wait a while before making calls like that. I presume you just do it for effect.HYUFD said:
No, we are now punching above our weight again, probably for the first time since Thatcher and BlairIanB2 said:
Brexit has got the UK lots of coverage across the world. We are the global laughing stock.HYUFD said:Boris' win now lead story on ABC news USA, not often the US takes such notice of a new UK PM
https://abcnews.go.com
Boris also leads on ABC Australia and CNN
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/?pfmredir=sm0 -
He was widely regarded as a good Mayor. Certainly with the Olympics. A Tory won't be re-elected Mayor again in my lifetime - it was an incredible achievement given how intolerant London usually is of anyone who isn't left of centre. I'm rather sceptical of his qualities as a PM though.JosiasJessop said:
Can you actually remember Boris' time as mayor? I mean, jut look at the Garden Bridge, and the way he absolutely refused to even take part in the inquiry when it went on.Wulfrun_Phil said:
On the contrary, he's going to be a vast improvement on Theresa May, whose only competition but for the grace of god would have been Lord Halifax in 1940.IanB2 said:HYUFD said:
It’s been a long time since our country has been in the hands of someone so unsuitable and undeserving. There must have been somebody more recently than King John, but it isn’t obvious who.
That's the sort of PM he'll be, sadly.0 -
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Theresa May tried that and look where it got her.dixiedean said:Kuennsberg. Big jobs to No Dealers. Otherwise balanced Cabinet.
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That he's lost his voice, and is now a little hoarse?JosiasJessop said:As expected, Rory Stewart's out.
https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1153640542812721154
I wonder what message he's trying to send with the piccie?0 -
It actually has a technocrat at the moment but Salvini as Deputy PM is a driving force behind the Government, though I preferred Berlusconi personally with whom Boris shares many traitswilliamglenn said:
Are you saying that Italy is currently punching above its weight because of Salvini?HYUFD said:
No, we are now punching above our weight again, probably for the first time since Thatcher and Blair.IanB2 said:
Brexit has got the UK lots of coverage across the world. We are the global laughing stock.HYUFD said:Boris' win now lead story on ABC news USA, not often the US takes such notice of a new UK PM
https://abcnews.go.com
Boris also leads on ABC Australia and CNN
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/?pfmredir=sm
In a world of Trump, Bolsonaro, Modi and Salvini he is not that different either0 -
The closing paragraphs suggest he's fairly ex- now.Theuniondivvie said:A (perhaps ex) Unionist speaks at the dawn of BJ world.
'As a Scot today you don’t have to be a fan of the SNP or its performance in devolved government, or even the kind of person who thrills to the symbols and songs of nationhood, to feel the tug of something different, something potentially better than this abject shitshow. To want a say, a voice, some shared sense of national integrity.
'Perhaps, as Gordon Brown says, patriotism can save the UK. But perhaps, more likely, patriotism is only hastening its demise.'0 -
Depends how big the country and unusual for the US for it to be lead story certainlydixiedean said:
Is that unusual? I'm sure a change of leader in a major country would lead the news here, in the absence of a significant other story.HYUFD said:Boris' win now lead story on ABC news USA, not often the US takes such notice of a new UK PM
https://abcnews.go.com
Boris also leads on ABC Australia and CNN
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/?pfmredir=sm
https://edition.cnn.com/uk/live-news/boris-johnson-jeremy-hunt-tuesday-dle-gbr-intl/index.
He is also in the headlines on Fox and TF1 in France0
