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"You still think you can control them, Boris?"SandyRentool said:In an undisclosed location, the ERG are currently singing "Tomorrow Belongs to Me"
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Thanks Roger, sometimes being the odd one out does turn out to be the right decision, although I recognise you are not a Boris fanRoger said:0 -
The world cup was just the warm up to the main event.Stereotomy said:
Christ, there's more cricket? Haven't we had enough?FrancisUrquhart said:This doesn't look good for the Ashes...
England fast bowler James Anderson has been ruled out of his side's Ashes warm-up Test against Ireland at Lord's. Fast bowlers Mark Wood and Jofra Archer have side strains and were not named in the squad for the Ireland game, which starts on Wednesday.
Wood is unlikely to be fit before the fourth Ashes Test, which starts on 4 September, while England hope Archer could be available for the second Test, starting on 14 August.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/49082928
Broad, Woakes and Curran medium fast deliveries aren't exactly going to worry the convicts.1 -
TERRIBLE result for Johnson. Lost the campaign by a mile to the uninspiring Hunt.
Corbyn will eat him for lunch.0 -
Doves? I thought steely-eyed warriors like yourself shot them to prevent birdstrike? Or is that seagulls?Dura_Ace said:This is what it sounds like when doves cry.
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I come here for debate and discussion really, I am not a big better I just say what I thinkStereotomy said:
I'm surprised you don't bet more given how strong your confidence level is in your predictionsHYUFD said:
TSE now owes me a pound I will donate to PBfundsMarqueeMark said:Jeremy Hunt....is a losing bet.
No new shoes for TSE.0 -
Next PM readies arrive tommorowCasino_Royale said:
Johnson +£396.86Pulpstar said:Final Betfair totals for me (Leader market)
Boris Johnson
£179.95
Jeremy Hunt
-£32.90
Michael Gove
£52.82
Sajid Javid
£328.32
Andrea Leadsom
-£1,656.10
Field
£195.32
Hunt +£24.50
Everything else all safely green.
On Betfair...
But, I have £182 losing bets with the bookies made over the last 2 years, but one of them was a +£1,600 payout with SkyBet as I backed Hunt when he was at 100/1 and 60/1 some time ago.
Ken Clarke ta very much.0 -
This is the moment that probationary periods were invented for....0
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Yep agreed. It really was awful. Mind you, who thinks he is actually a good orator? Do you remember the post-resignation let down in the House of Commons.JackW said:
The vaguely less than North Korean reception. It's like many in the hall had the sugar rush and then Boris began speaking. Odd .... mind you it was an odd speech - sounded unscripted, off the cuff and a little stale.Tabman said:
What gave you that impression Jack?JackW said:I think some in the audience are starting to realize what they've done.
He's better with pithy put downs and one-liners. In the odd sentence he can mask the vacuous crap with flowery language.
I do wonder actually if he really wants this job. I suspect part of him doesn't. Especially not right now, both externally in terms of the politics and internally with the mess in his private life.0 -
they can smell the pork barrel.Sandpit said:DUP sounding positive.
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Barnier: "We look forward to working constructively w/ PM @BorisJohnson when he takes office, to facilitate the ratification of the Withdrawal Agreement and achieve an orderly #Brexit. We are ready also to rework the agreed Declaration on a new partnership in line with #EUCO guidelines."
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Well done Betfair for settling up so quickly. It's always a nice feeling to transfer the winnings speedily into my bank account.2
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Thank you a great dayTOPPING said:
Your man won. I am happy for you that you are on the winning side.HYUFD said:
TSE now owes me a pound I will donate to PBfundsMarqueeMark said:Jeremy Hunt....is a losing bet.
No new shoes for TSE.0 -
That is a big step, Richard. Are you sure ?Richard_Nabavi said:
It's written and ready to go once we have the formal announcement. For logistical reasons it will be sent tomorrow.GIN1138 said:Has Nabavi sent his resignation letter in yet?
I resigned from Labour in 2003 but that was about a war. You can always "remain" a member but lie low.
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I believe all the ConHome surveys had Boris 65%+surbiton19 said:What did the ConHome poll say, HYUFD ? In numbers or percentages.
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For any Boris fans I shall summarise.Bob__Sykes said:Barnier: "We look forward to working constructively w/ PM @BorisJohnson when he takes office, to facilitate the ratification of the Withdrawal Agreement and achieve an orderly #Brexit. We are ready also to rework the agreed Declaration on a new partnership in line with #EUCO guidelines."
LOL....
tl;dr Nothing has changed.0 -
Johnson also has a timing problem. As soon as he's in the door of No 10 Parliament goes off on holiday. August is normally silly season in the media. And we've all grown used to the Conservatives. No one, not even HUYFD and Phil T, can deny that there's apathy towards the party in the wider country. It's all fag-end stuff. And then there's next week's by-election.
It will be the shortest honeymoon in British political history.0 -
Priti on Sky 5 mins ago is clearly expecting return to cabinet. Foreign Sec was my prediction. And still is. So expect a war with Iran by the end of the month.0
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Well, I don't play roulette, but if I was very certain that the next spin would come up red, I'd reconsider.HYUFD said:
I come here for debate and discussion really, I am not a big better I just say what I thinkStereotomy said:
I'm surprised you don't bet more given how strong your confidence level is in your predictionsHYUFD said:
TSE now owes me a pound I will donate to PBfundsMarqueeMark said:Jeremy Hunt....is a losing bet.
No new shoes for TSE.0 -
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What surprised me about this summer of sport is hearing more comments on the cricket than the Open golf.Stereotomy said:
Christ, there's more cricket? Haven't we had enough?FrancisUrquhart said:This doesn't look good for the Ashes...
England fast bowler James Anderson has been ruled out of his side's Ashes warm-up Test against Ireland at Lord's. Fast bowlers Mark Wood and Jofra Archer have side strains and were not named in the squad for the Ireland game, which starts on Wednesday.
Wood is unlikely to be fit before the fourth Ashes Test, which starts on 4 September, while England hope Archer could be available for the second Test, starting on 14 August.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/49082928
Broad, Woakes and Curran medium fast deliveries aren't exactly going to worry the convicts.0 -
Do it Richard. This is a party hell bent on self-destruction.surbiton19 said:
That is a big step, Richard. Are you sure ?Richard_Nabavi said:
It's written and ready to go once we have the formal announcement. For logistical reasons it will be sent tomorrow.GIN1138 said:Has Nabavi sent his resignation letter in yet?
I resigned from Labour in 2003 but that was about a war. You can always "remain" a member but lie low.
LibDems are the way forward now.1 -
I don't think that is being fair to Big_G. I have had the same nonsense thrown at me when declaring my firm intention to spoil my ballot paper in a marginal seat at the next general election. I refuse to be emotionally blackmailed by the argument that by effectively abstaining , I will be 'letting in the Tory'. If there are strong overriding reasons to justify not supporting any of the candidates available, abstention is a perfectly honourable - and the most honest - choice to make.TOPPING said:
You enabled Boris by not voting against him. You were not an impartial observer.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I could not vote for eitherTOPPING said:
You effectively voted for Boris by not voting against him.Big_G_NorthWales said:I do not support Boris, I did not vote for Boris, and he will have a lot of enemies
However, today he is almost certain to become leader of the conservative party and Prime Minister and I wish him well and genuinely hope he surprises on the upside
I am very interested in his speech which will no doubt be about unity and to this end his appointments to cabinet will demonstrate if he means what he says
I want to see a diverse cabinet including some sensible former remainers who support Brexit but are reluctant no dealers ( Amber Rudd and Nicky Morgan spring to mind)0 -
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The reaction in the hall was telling. When he said "Do you feel daunted?" He was clearly expecting a raucous No!!!Mysticrose said:Johnson also has a timing problem. As soon as he's in the door of No 10 Parliament goes off on holiday. August is normally silly season in the media. And we've all grown used to the Conservatives. No one, not even HUYFD and Phil T, can deny that there's apathy towards the party in the wider country. It's all fag-end stuff. And then there's next week's by-election.
It will be the shortest honeymoon in British political history.
Instead, they just sat there, well, daunted.0 -
Well done to yourself, @HYUFD and all those who won on Johnson.AlastairMeeks said:Well done Betfair for settling up so quickly. It's always a nice feeling to transfer the winnings speedily into my bank account.
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Their one employee is busy earning their money....AndyJS said:Boris isn't actually PM yet, is he?
https://twitter.com/ForChange_Now/status/11536222011087052800 -
Very clever, DUDE !HYUFD said:
I believe all the ConHome surveys had Boris 65%+surbiton19 said:What did the ConHome poll say, HYUFD ? In numbers or percentages.
Here it is:
https://www.conservativehome.com/tag/next-tory-leader 73:27. So Mike was correct. Boris always underachieves what polls say.
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Boris got 66% of Tory members, more than the 59% of Labour members and supporters Corbyn got in 2015 and the 61% he got in 2016.kinabalu said:TERRIBLE result for Johnson. Lost the campaign by a mile to the uninspiring Hunt.
Corbyn will eat him for lunch.
Boris will rally Leavers behind him now and Swinson may well rally Remainers behind her and Corbyn might now find it is actually him on the menu0 -
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Some of them may want to wait until their chickens have hatched before they start counting them.SandyRentool said:In an undisclosed location, the ERG are currently singing "Tomorrow Belongs to Me"
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For all our disagreements you have been consistent in Boris and you deserve credit for thatHYUFD said:
I believe all the ConHome surveys had Boris 65%+surbiton19 said:What did the ConHome poll say, HYUFD ? In numbers or percentages.
I did not want Boris, but I do not want the party to splinter so I await with interest his cabinet appointments and trust his desire for unity will be reflected in them
Interesting times and we are still in a political climate that anything could happen0 -
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Certainly not.Stereotomy said:
Christ, there's more cricket? Haven't we had enough?FrancisUrquhart said:This doesn't look good for the Ashes...
England fast bowler James Anderson has been ruled out of his side's Ashes warm-up Test against Ireland at Lord's. Fast bowlers Mark Wood and Jofra Archer have side strains and were not named in the squad for the Ireland game, which starts on Wednesday.
Wood is unlikely to be fit before the fourth Ashes Test, which starts on 4 September, while England hope Archer could be available for the second Test, starting on 14 August.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/49082928
Broad, Woakes and Curran medium fast deliveries aren't exactly going to worry the convicts.0 -
Yes I noticed that!dixiedean said:
The reaction in the hall was telling. When he said "Do you feel daunted?" He was clearly expecting a raucous No!!!Mysticrose said:Johnson also has a timing problem. As soon as he's in the door of No 10 Parliament goes off on holiday. August is normally silly season in the media. And we've all grown used to the Conservatives. No one, not even HUYFD and Phil T, can deny that there's apathy towards the party in the wider country. It's all fag-end stuff. And then there's next week's by-election.
It will be the shortest honeymoon in British political history.
Instead, they just sat there, well, daunted. 0 -
It's not so much that the party has chosen Boris, although that's bad enough, it's the reasons why they've chosen him. Hardly anyone I've talked to think he's actually fit to be PM, it's a choice not only of desperation, but above all of denial. They have chosen Boris not despite the fact that he's peddling fairy dust, but precisely because they know he's peddling fairy dust, and that's what they want.surbiton19 said:
That is a big step, Richard. Are you sure ?Richard_Nabavi said:
It's written and ready to go once we have the formal announcement. For logistical reasons it will be sent tomorrow.GIN1138 said:Has Nabavi sent his resignation letter in yet?
I resigned from Labour in 2003 but that was about a war. You can always "remain" a member but lie low.0 -
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"Are you ready to be heartbroken?"kle4 said:
Some of them may want to wait until their chickens have hatched before they start counting them.SandyRentool said:In an undisclosed location, the ERG are currently singing "Tomorrow Belongs to Me"
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This is not a day for soundbites, but I feel the hand of hysteria upon our shoulder.0
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You know you want to :-)TheValiant said:Do I, don't I?
https://www.libdems.org.uk/joining-us
To any and all PBers wavering, the more sane, economic Liberals join, the better. Then the party really will change for good.1 -
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This bloke won't have had any trouble watching all that sport the other weekend...
In his bedroom police found a total of 57 Sky Italia satellite decoders which were configured to receive Sky’s broadcasts.
https://torrentfreak.com/police-dismantle-pirate-iptv-provider-seize-cash-crypto-gold-bars-190723/0 -
A non-No Dealer would surely be mad to serve. The Leave blame machine will single them out as the reason for every Brexit mishap. 'If it wasn't for Remainer X in the cabinet conspiring with the civil service then Boris's plan would have gone just swimmingly.' Who'd want that?SouthamObserver said:I am pleased Johnson will be PM. I want him to appoint No Deal backers only to his Cabinet. I want the English nationalist, hard right to unequivocally own everything that happens from here. That is the quickest route to their final, humiliating defeat.
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ThanksSandpit said:
Well done to yourself, @HYUFD and all those who won on Johnson.AlastairMeeks said:Well done Betfair for settling up so quickly. It's always a nice feeling to transfer the winnings speedily into my bank account.
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Thanks BigG and yes give Boris a chanceBig_G_NorthWales said:
For all our disagreements you have been consistent in Boris and you deserve credit for thatHYUFD said:
I believe all the ConHome surveys had Boris 65%+surbiton19 said:What did the ConHome poll say, HYUFD ? In numbers or percentages.
I did not want Boris, but I do not want the party to splinter so I await with interest his cabinet appointments and trust his desire for unity will be reflected in them
Interesting times and we are still in a political climate that anything could happen0 -
I've joined, ran for election and resigned in the last couple of years. If you want to deliver lots of leaflets its an amazing experience.TheValiant said:Do I, don't I?
https://www.libdems.org.uk/joining-us0 -
As pointed out earlier this year following the March debacle, my political betting this year will consist mostly of currency conversion, so I did not have a dog in this fight. It seems to have been an object lesson in how to win money on the Con leadership election. I think Boris will be PM for longer than most people on here think, so those lessons will not be useful for some time, but good lessons nevertheless.
So. Congratulations to those who won money and genuine commiserations to those who lost: I hope you recoup your losses. Special mention to @HYUFD and @TheScreamingEagles , who spotted Boris and Hunt respectively.
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Very possibly. The Tories are frankly obsessed by Corbyn. They sound like a football manager bent on finishing above United, and end up second to City.Mysticrose said:
Do it Richard. This is a party hell bent on self-destruction.surbiton19 said:
That is a big step, Richard. Are you sure ?Richard_Nabavi said:
It's written and ready to go once we have the formal announcement. For logistical reasons it will be sent tomorrow.GIN1138 said:Has Nabavi sent his resignation letter in yet?
I resigned from Labour in 2003 but that was about a war. You can always "remain" a member but lie low.
LibDems are the way forward now.1 -
Considering his slightly lukewarm lead from the MPs and the suppossed fanaticism of the swivel eyed entryist membership, that is a faint hearted endorsement.surbiton19 said:
Very clever, DUDE !HYUFD said:
I believe all the ConHome surveys had Boris 65%+surbiton19 said:What did the ConHome poll say, HYUFD ? In numbers or percentages.
Here it is:
https://www.conservativehome.com/tag/next-tory-leader 73:27. So Mike was correct. Boris always underachieves what polls say.
Is there a Boris out by Christmas market yet?0 -
What harm in doing it? You're not committed for life.TheValiant said:Do I, don't I?
https://www.libdems.org.uk/joining-us0 -
It's very similar to Labour electing Corbyn. It's not about policy, governing, having a plan and delivering that plan, it's all about feeling that "well at least one of us in in charge of the party now".Richard_Nabavi said:It's not so much that the party has chosen Boris, although that's bad enough, it's the reasons why they've chosen him. Hardly anyone I've talked to think he's actually fit to be PM, it's a choice not only of desperation, but above all of denial. They have chosen Boris not despite the fact that he's peddling fairy dust, but precisely because they know he's peddling fairy dust, and that's what they want.
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Here comes the B team. Heaven help us.
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The quote says GBP 3 billion this time.Slackbladder said:
they can smell the pork barrel.Sandpit said:DUP sounding positive.
https://twitter.com/NigelDoddsDUP/status/1153622596195405824
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Very well put. They cannot bear reality.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's not so much that the party has chosen Boris, although that's bad enough, it's the reasons why they've chosen him. Hardly anyone I've talked to think he's actually fit to be PM, it's a choice not only of desperation, but above all of denial. They have chosen Boris not despite the fact that he's peddling fairy dust, but precisely because they know he's peddling fairy dust, and that's what they want.surbiton19 said:
That is a big step, Richard. Are you sure ?Richard_Nabavi said:
It's written and ready to go once we have the formal announcement. For logistical reasons it will be sent tomorrow.GIN1138 said:Has Nabavi sent his resignation letter in yet?
I resigned from Labour in 2003 but that was about a war. You can always "remain" a member but lie low.0 -
Fibre broadband? Has he not heard of 5G?0
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Just to put my prediction on Boris down in writing: It's been my position now for some time that what motivates voters is whether they sense (accurately or not) that a politician or party represents their values- or, almost as good, opposes the values of their perceived enemies.
I feel like Boris has sort of done okay at this so with references to Churchill and such, but that when it comes down to it, he doesn't really know who he represents and unlike Trump I don't think he has the personality that will lead him to find his way into a niche. I think Brexiteer support for him is built on unstable foundations- much like Lib Dems with their tuition U-turn, it won't take much for them to realise that in his heart, he's not on their side. (And like with the lib dems, this will be understood as them being enraged and betrayed, even when for many it'll be a dispassionate calculation that Boris doesn't have their backs). This is why I think he'll fail if he leads the party into an election.
There's a few ways I could be wrong:
- He could be a poor politician but still win the next election through a mix of opposition parties having worse woes than the Tories and maybe an unexpectedly good Brexit outcome.
- I could be wrong about his instincts, maybe he will actually be good at convincing voters that he represents their values. In this case I'll have misjudged him, but it won't change my mind about how voters behave.
- Neither of the above happens, but he still storms to victory based purely on personality and empty charisma. If this happens I'd have to seriously reconsider my understanding of politics.0 -
You can also always rejoin, so why lay low during the dark times?surbiton19 said:
That is a big step, Richard. Are you sure ?Richard_Nabavi said:
It's written and ready to go once we have the formal announcement. For logistical reasons it will be sent tomorrow.GIN1138 said:Has Nabavi sent his resignation letter in yet?
I resigned from Labour in 2003 but that was about a war. You can always "remain" a member but lie low.0 -
November 19th is the important date. If Boris leaves before then he will be in the history books as the shortest reigning PM...Foxy said:
Considering his slightly lukewarm lead from the MPs and the suppossed fanaticism of the swivel eyed entryist membership, that is a faint hearted endorsement.surbiton19 said:
Very clever, DUDE !HYUFD said:
I believe all the ConHome surveys had Boris 65%+surbiton19 said:What did the ConHome poll say, HYUFD ? In numbers or percentages.
Here it is:
https://www.conservativehome.com/tag/next-tory-leader 73:27. So Mike was correct. Boris always underachieves what polls say.
Is there a Boris out by Christmas market yet?0 -
Boris is negotiating - I suspect NI will end up with GBP 5bn (a month)...surbiton19 said:
The quote says GBP 3 billion this time.Slackbladder said:
they can smell the pork barrel.Sandpit said:DUP sounding positive.
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One thing we didn't discover was the number of Mr and Mrs Big G's who voted Neither. Must be more than the 500 odd spoiled ballots. Were they counted as abstentions?0
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Jo Johnson was sitting with sister and father. I wonder if he remembers his resignation letter to PM May.0
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Agreedjustin124 said:
I don't think that is being fair to Big_G. I have had the same nonsense thrown at me when declaring my firm intention to spoil my ballot paper in a marginal seat at the next general election. I refuse to be emotionally blackmailed by the argument that by effectively abstaining , I will be 'letting in the Tory'. If there are strong overriding reasons to justify not supporting any of the candidates available, abstention is a perfectly honourable - and the most honest - choice to make.TOPPING said:
You enabled Boris by not voting against him. You were not an impartial observer.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I could not vote for eitherTOPPING said:
You effectively voted for Boris by not voting against him.Big_G_NorthWales said:I do not support Boris, I did not vote for Boris, and he will have a lot of enemies
However, today he is almost certain to become leader of the conservative party and Prime Minister and I wish him well and genuinely hope he surprises on the upside
I am very interested in his speech which will no doubt be about unity and to this end his appointments to cabinet will demonstrate if he means what he says
I want to see a diverse cabinet including some sensible former remainers who support Brexit but are reluctant no dealers ( Amber Rudd and Nicky Morgan spring to mind)0 -
That’s what happens when “not racist” is not something that be unequivocally said about the leader of the opposition.Scott_P said:0 -
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The dishonesty, incompetence and sheer dullness of the May years imposed a heavy price on the party. It is almost acceptable if someone is Machiavellian in a competent way and delivers effective government but she had all the cunning of a latter series Baldrick and left the country and the party in a terrible place.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's not so much that the party has chosen Boris, although that's bad enough, it's the reasons why they've chosen him. Hardly anyone I've talked to think he's actually fit to be PM, it's a choice not only of desperation, but above all of denial. They have chosen Boris not despite the fact that he's peddling fairy dust, but precisely because they know he's peddling fairy dust, and that's what they want.surbiton19 said:
That is a big step, Richard. Are you sure ?Richard_Nabavi said:
It's written and ready to go once we have the formal announcement. For logistical reasons it will be sent tomorrow.GIN1138 said:Has Nabavi sent his resignation letter in yet?
I resigned from Labour in 2003 but that was about a war. You can always "remain" a member but lie low.
That has driven the party and the country to a less nuanced, more committed position on both sides of the divide. It will be Boris' challenge to find a way by which he can deliver a policy around which a consensus can build and to work on developing that consensus. Can he do it? Who knows but almost anything has to be better than the last 3 years.
There is a lot of bitterness and cynicism, far more than any new PM I can recall, but we really should all wish him well. Its our country, after all.0 -
From that, no one would guess the man was a professional writer.HYUFD said:1 -
As insecure and vain as he reportedly is I am sure he will move heaven and earth to make sure that does not happen. It's the one reason I dont think a very quick GE is completely nailed on as as confident as he may be I doubt think he wants to risk that record .eek said:
November 19th is the important date. If Boris leaves before then he will be in the history books as the shortest reigning PM...Foxy said:
Considering his slightly lukewarm lead from the MPs and the suppossed fanaticism of the swivel eyed entryist membership, that is a faint hearted endorsement.surbiton19 said:
Very clever, DUDE !HYUFD said:
I believe all the ConHome surveys had Boris 65%+surbiton19 said:What did the ConHome poll say, HYUFD ? In numbers or percentages.
Here it is:
https://www.conservativehome.com/tag/next-tory-leader 73:27. So Mike was correct. Boris always underachieves what polls say.
Is there a Boris out by Christmas market yet?0 -
What are the rules on rejoining when there is a new contest? If you're not allowed to vote in a future contest, then makes sense to stay and wait [and it might not be that long tbh...]kle4 said:
You can also always rejoin, so why lay low during the dark times?surbiton19 said:
That is a big step, Richard. Are you sure ?Richard_Nabavi said:
It's written and ready to go once we have the formal announcement. For logistical reasons it will be sent tomorrow.GIN1138 said:Has Nabavi sent his resignation letter in yet?
I resigned from Labour in 2003 but that was about a war. You can always "remain" a member but lie low.0 -
That was Theresa May, surely, who represented the party in the country as opposed to the Chipping Norton set and Notting Hill trustafarian Cameroons. Likewise Ed Miliband for Labour.glw said:
It's very similar to Labour electing Corbyn. It's not about policy, governing, having a plan and delivering that plan, it's all about feeling that "well at least one of us in in charge of the party now".Richard_Nabavi said:It's not so much that the party has chosen Boris, although that's bad enough, it's the reasons why they've chosen him. Hardly anyone I've talked to think he's actually fit to be PM, it's a choice not only of desperation, but above all of denial. They have chosen Boris not despite the fact that he's peddling fairy dust, but precisely because they know he's peddling fairy dust, and that's what they want.
Boris and Corbyn depend on entryists.0 -
Well done Boris.
Loving the gnashing of teeth from the twaterati.
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Indeed. And others dislike him but think he is best to save their seats.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's not so much that the party has chosen Boris, although that's bad enough, it's the reasons why they've chosen him. Hardly anyone I've talked to think he's actually fit to be PM, it's a choice not only of desperation, but above all of denial. They have chosen Boris not despite the fact that he's peddling fairy dust, but precisely because they know he's peddling fairy dust, and that's what they want.surbiton19 said:
That is a big step, Richard. Are you sure ?Richard_Nabavi said:
It's written and ready to go once we have the formal announcement. For logistical reasons it will be sent tomorrow.GIN1138 said:Has Nabavi sent his resignation letter in yet?
I resigned from Labour in 2003 but that was about a war. You can always "remain" a member but lie low.0 -
A young mother with a dodgy past taking on two racist, bone idle, mendacious nostalgics, worshipped by party memberships completely removed from reality, as the country they all seek to lead sinks into stagnant irrelevance. It has the makings of a Scando-noir thriller.0
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Corbyn won with older members as well as new.DecrepitJohnL said:
That was Theresa May, surely, who represented the party in the country as opposed to the Chipping Norton set and Notting Hill trustafarian Cameroons. Likewise Ed Miliband for Labour.glw said:
It's very similar to Labour electing Corbyn. It's not about policy, governing, having a plan and delivering that plan, it's all about feeling that "well at least one of us in in charge of the party now".Richard_Nabavi said:It's not so much that the party has chosen Boris, although that's bad enough, it's the reasons why they've chosen him. Hardly anyone I've talked to think he's actually fit to be PM, it's a choice not only of desperation, but above all of denial. They have chosen Boris not despite the fact that he's peddling fairy dust, but precisely because they know he's peddling fairy dust, and that's what they want.
Boris and Corbyn depend on entryists.1 -
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Is this supposed to be a good thing?HYUFD said:1 -
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Really ? Amber Rudd is singing from the BoJo hymmsheet.Stark_Dawning said:
A non-No Dealer would surely be mad to serve. The Leave blame machine will single them out as the reason for every Brexit mishap. 'If it wasn't for Remainer X in the cabinet conspiring with the civil service then Boris's plan would have gone just swimmingly.' Who'd want that?SouthamObserver said:I am pleased Johnson will be PM. I want him to appoint No Deal backers only to his Cabinet. I want the English nationalist, hard right to unequivocally own everything that happens from here. That is the quickest route to their final, humiliating defeat.
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Strip out the votes of the 40,000 entryists and it would have been a close result..Foxy said:
Considering his slightly lukewarm lead from the MPs and the suppossed fanaticism of the swivel eyed entryist membership, that is a faint hearted endorsement.surbiton19 said:
Very clever, DUDE !HYUFD said:
I believe all the ConHome surveys had Boris 65%+surbiton19 said:What did the ConHome poll say, HYUFD ? In numbers or percentages.
Here it is:
https://www.conservativehome.com/tag/next-tory-leader 73:27. So Mike was correct. Boris always underachieves what polls say.
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I find it helpful to mentally add "I think that..." or similar before reading many posts on here. In @HYUFD's case this is especially useful, but plenty of others (myself included) are guilty of presenting our guesses as to what the future will bring as fact.Stereotomy said:
Well, I don't play roulette, but if I was very certain that the next spin would come up red, I'd reconsider.HYUFD said:
I come here for debate and discussion really, I am not a big better I just say what I thinkStereotomy said:
I'm surprised you don't bet more given how strong your confidence level is in your predictionsHYUFD said:
TSE now owes me a pound I will donate to PBfundsMarqueeMark said:Jeremy Hunt....is a losing bet.
No new shoes for TSE.
It would be great if more people could try and give some indication as to how much salt others should or shouldn't take each post with ("I hope...", "I am pretty sure that..." "It's most likely that...", etc).0 -
I'm a Leaver (I know in certain circles, that means I'm a do-or-die No Dealer, nuclear attack on France - even though I'm actually a EFTA/EEA) and that will probably prevent me rejoining as a member, but my local association leader did contact me last night (I'd been a member, and leafleted for her in the past) suggesting I become a support. I suspect I might do the latter.Tabman said:
You know you want to :-)TheValiant said:Do I, don't I?
https://www.libdems.org.uk/joining-us
To any and all PBers wavering, the more sane, economic Liberals join, the better. Then the party really will change for good.0 -
I hope he does well for all our sakes. But the man is a complete bullshitter relying on saying belief is enough to do anything. I hope he is more serious and gets lucky fast, as we all need it.DavidL said:
The dishonesty, incompetence and sheer dullness of the May years imposed a heavy price on the party. It is almost acceptable if someone is Machiavellian in a competent way and delivers effective government but she had all the cunning of a latter series Baldrick and left the country and the party in a terrible place.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's not so much that the party has chosen Boris, although that's bad enough, it's the reasons why they've chosen him. Hardly anyone I've talked to think he's actually fit to be PM, it's a choice not only of desperation, but above all of denial. They have chosen Boris not despite the fact that he's peddling fairy dust, but precisely because they know he's peddling fairy dust, and that's what they want.surbiton19 said:
That is a big step, Richard. Are you sure ?Richard_Nabavi said:
It's written and ready to go once we have the formal announcement. For logistical reasons it will be sent tomorrow.GIN1138 said:Has Nabavi sent his resignation letter in yet?
I resigned from Labour in 2003 but that was about a war. You can always "remain" a member but lie low.
That has driven the party and the country to a less nuanced, more committed position on both sides of the divide. It will be Boris' challenge to find a way by which he can deliver a policy around which a consensus can build and to work on developing that consensus. Can he do it? Who knows but almost anything has to be better than the last 3 years.
There is a lot of bitterness and cynicism, far more than any new PM I can recall, but we really should all wish him well. Its our country, after all.0 -
That won't save her.surbiton19 said:
Really ? Amber Rudd is singing from the BoJo hymmsheet.Stark_Dawning said:
A non-No Dealer would surely be mad to serve. The Leave blame machine will single them out as the reason for every Brexit mishap. 'If it wasn't for Remainer X in the cabinet conspiring with the civil service then Boris's plan would have gone just swimmingly.' Who'd want that?SouthamObserver said:I am pleased Johnson will be PM. I want him to appoint No Deal backers only to his Cabinet. I want the English nationalist, hard right to unequivocally own everything that happens from here. That is the quickest route to their final, humiliating defeat.
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Well, there's always Farage...SouthamObserver said:A young mother with a dodgy past taking on two racist, bone idle, mendacious nostalgics, worshipped by party memberships completely removed from reality, as the country they all seek to lead sinks into stagnant irrelevance. It has the makings of a Scando-noir thriller.
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I doubt that will save her when the ERG types are look around for someone to blame.surbiton19 said:
Really ? Amber Rudd is singing from the BoJo hymmsheet.Stark_Dawning said:
A non-No Dealer would surely be mad to serve. The Leave blame machine will single them out as the reason for every Brexit mishap. 'If it wasn't for Remainer X in the cabinet conspiring with the civil service then Boris's plan would have gone just swimmingly.' Who'd want that?SouthamObserver said:I am pleased Johnson will be PM. I want him to appoint No Deal backers only to his Cabinet. I want the English nationalist, hard right to unequivocally own everything that happens from here. That is the quickest route to their final, humiliating defeat.
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Oh, THAT NigelSandpit said:DUP sounding positive.
https://twitter.com/NigelDoddsDUP/status/1153622596195405824
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After hearing Boris won, Anderson resigned from the England cricket team.0
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Caller on R5 re Boris
"This is the worst thing that has ever happened to me "
LOL !
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Will Corbo be the only LotO to have seen off 3 PMs?eek said:
November 19th is the important date. If Boris leaves before then he will be in the history books as the shortest reigning PM...Foxy said:
Considering his slightly lukewarm lead from the MPs and the suppossed fanaticism of the swivel eyed entryist membership, that is a faint hearted endorsement.surbiton19 said:
Very clever, DUDE !HYUFD said:
I believe all the ConHome surveys had Boris 65%+surbiton19 said:What did the ConHome poll say, HYUFD ? In numbers or percentages.
Here it is:
https://www.conservativehome.com/tag/next-tory-leader 73:27. So Mike was correct. Boris always underachieves what polls say.
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Would the opposite response have been a good thing in practice, regardless of your personal feelings?Gallowgate said:
Is this supposed to be a good thing?HYUFD said:0 -
If there are any MPs planning to leave the party, do people think they will go today, or wait until Johnson actually becomes prime minister? (At which point Donald Trump will presumably congratulate him on becoming leader of the Conservative Party.)0
