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isam said:

another_richard said:

TGOHF said:

tpfkar said:

rottenborough said:

The trouble with any kind of extension, is the EU elections issue. These elections will be won by Farage's Brexit Party, and his new party will be established in public mind.

He will then be running at next GE on a full blown betrayal of the People act. Dangerous waters.

Are you sure? The Brexit vote will split between Con / UKIP / Brexit / Lots of UKIP splinters
I reckon Labour might do quite well.

Why would any Brexit supporter vote Conservative ? An utterly wasted vote. Particularly under PM May.

Which other party could deliver Brexit ?

No ones going to deliver anything at The Euros are they?

Well, they'll deliver themselves a mighty big salary plus expenses for no required work. There is a part of me that wants to stand. I shall form the "EU smells of poo" party. When I win a seat. I shall stand up in the hemicycle, state that the EU smells of poo, then go home and pocket my salary. This is the most realistic plan anybody has produced regarding Brexit.

Been out all day enjoying the lovely sunshine.
I trust everything has been sorted to the satisfaction of all?

isam said:

another_richard said:

TGOHF said:

tpfkar said:

rottenborough said:

The trouble with any kind of extension, is the EU elections issue. These elections will be won by Farage's Brexit Party, and his new party will be established in public mind.

He will then be running at next GE on a full blown betrayal of the People act. Dangerous waters.

Are you sure? The Brexit vote will split between Con / UKIP / Brexit / Lots of UKIP splinters
I reckon Labour might do quite well.

Why would any Brexit supporter vote Conservative ? An utterly wasted vote. Particularly under PM May.

Which other party could deliver Brexit ?

No ones going to deliver anything at The Euros are they?

It certainly wont be by yet more of the posturing which has caused the impasse.

Who's deciding the IV2 process for Monday - is that Letwin and his band + Bercow?

And will we have to wait for Monday before we know what it is?

TheScreamingEagles said:

Interesting

https://twitter.com/ElectoralCommUK/status/1111682932979232768

Clearing the decks for a second referendum?

Or just running scared of another anti-Establishment rant from Michael Gove's best mate?

dixiedean said:

Been out all day enjoying the lovely sunshine.
I trust everything has been sorted to the satisfaction of all?

Pretty much all resolved now - just a few 'i's to dot and rubicons to cross.

Norm said:

True but in general we leavers are must more tolerant than you remainers. See this

https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1111680500106780674

Thanks for that. It's already been apparent on the threads on this site for some time, but it's a revealing finding nonetheless.

Wulfrun_Phil said:

Norm said:

True but in general we leavers are must more tolerant than you remainers. See this

https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1111680500106780674

Thanks for that. It's already been apparent on the threads on this site for some time, but it's a revealing finding nonetheless.

Yes. Some people here are well above 4.8

Cyclefree said:

In the 2017 GE Brexit was irrelevant to my vote. Keeping Corbyn out of power was the only thing I was interested in. The same will be the case if there is a GE this year. Alas, my vote will make no difference at all as the Labour MP has a large majority. So my choices are:-

1. Voting for the Lib Dems. These days that’s the electoral equivalent of a pity fuck.
2. Abstaining in person.
3. Spoiling my ballot paper by writing rude things on it

Make sure you draw outside the box! IIRC someone drew a phallus inside one of the boxes and it was accepted as a legitimate vote.

Brexit is on track everyone.

https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1111696389279543296

Ishmael_Z said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Ishmael_Z said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/skeptical7th/status/1111654184577892352

Astonishing you can wear that and not get arrested (if he wasn't).

Being a c##t is not a crime.

Being a racist c%%t is.

No it is not.

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedUKPol/status/1111684650794172418

And how does she plan to make it different enough for Bercow to allow it in the first place?

Cyclefree said:

Off topic, the valuation of Lyft (loss-making) and listed today in the US and suggested valuations for Uber strike me as insane. And a bubble in the making.

I fear we are re-embarking on the same old boom and bust cycle of before.

All the new global minicab firms are giant bait and switch merchants. I just use my local minicab firm...

TheAncientMariner said:

Cyclefree said:

In the 2017 GE Brexit was irrelevant to my vote. Keeping Corbyn out of power was the only thing I was interested in. The same will be the case if there is a GE this year. Alas, my vote will make no difference at all as the Labour MP has a large majority. So my choices are:-

1. Voting for the Lib Dems. These days that’s the electoral equivalent of a pity fuck.
2. Abstaining in person.
3. Spoiling my ballot paper by writing rude things on it

Make sure you draw outside the box! IIRC someone drew a phallus inside one of the boxes and it was accepted as a legitimate vote.

I think the only possible thing to write on the ballot paper is what Nick Watt quoted on last night’s Newsnight (the TV moment of the year for me) -

“Fuck knows. I’m past caring. It’s like the living dead.”

Wulfrun_Phil said:

Norm said:

True but in general we leavers are must more tolerant than you remainers. See this

https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1111680500106780674

Thanks for that. It's already been apparent on the threads on this site for some time, but it's a revealing finding nonetheless.

This is totally nuts and not easy to believe. Anyone scoring themselves less than a 9 needs to sit down quietly for a bit and have a think. The overwhelming majority of UK people are political moderates and sincere democrats.

mwjfrome17 said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Ishmael_Z said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Ishmael_Z said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/skeptical7th/status/1111654184577892352

Astonishing you can wear that and not get arrested (if he wasn't).

Being a c##t is not a crime.

Being a racist c%%t is.

Being against multi-culturalism is not racist.

Well here is the definition

Multiculturalism is a situation in which all the different cultural or racial groups in a society have equal rights and opportunities, and none is ignored or regarded as unimportant.

So being against racial groups having equal rights and opportunities is somehow not racist?

Culture does NOT equal race. And I'm speaking as someone wot is non-white!

mwjfrome17 said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Ishmael_Z said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Ishmael_Z said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/skeptical7th/status/1111654184577892352

Astonishing you can wear that and not get arrested (if he wasn't).

Being a c##t is not a crime.

Being a racist c%%t is.

Being against multi-culturalism is not racist.

Well here is the definition

Multiculturalism is a situation in which all the different cultural or racial groups in a society have equal rights and opportunities, and none is ignored or regarded as unimportant.

So being against racial groups having equal rights and opportunities is somehow not racist?

What you are describing is equality under the law not multiculturalism.

another_richard said:

rpjs said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedUKPol/status/1111684650794172418

And how does she plan to make it different enough for Bercow to allow it in the first place?

By adding on a CU ?

'Chuka Umunna' or 'Change UK' (back to how it was when middle class metropolitans were in charge)?

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Chris said:

isam said:

https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1111687093951045635?s=21

Some Tiggers are more equal than others!

http://ch.uk/domains/domains4sale.asp?domain=ch.uk

If Sadiq became a Tigger - unlikely I know! - you could have a Chuka-Khan dream ticket

Do they see Eye to Eye?

WhisperingOracle said:

isam said:

WhisperingOracle said:

Good summing up of some of the atmosphere :

http://www.twitter.com/lisanandy/status/1111686933825179649

Parliament doesn't normally slap the British people in the face though

All the British people ?

Over half!

tlg86 said:

WhisperingOracle said:

Good summing up of some of the atmosphere :

http://www.twitter.com/lisanandy/status/1111686933825179649

I wandered down to Parliament Square after work and saw a couple of banners referring to MPs as traitors. Presumably they think those voting for the deal are the traitors rather than the likes of Nandy who have consistently voted it down.

Who knows?

isam said:

WhisperingOracle said:

isam said:

WhisperingOracle said:

Good summing up of some of the atmosphere :

http://www.twitter.com/lisanandy/status/1111686933825179649

Parliament doesn't normally slap the British people in the face though

All the British people ?

Over half!

Not according to current polls, ofcourse ;.) - which may be why the government doesn't want to see that tested..

Casino_Royale said:

Cyclefree said:

Off topic, the valuation of Lyft (loss-making) and listed today in the US and suggested valuations for Uber strike me as insane. And a bubble in the making.

I fear we are re-embarking on the same old boom and bust cycle of before.

Well, of course.

That never ends as long as you have free or free-ish markets. It just takes a different form.

Human nature.

What I found a bit depressing, though I of all people should not have been surprised, was the business correspondent on the Today programme this morning breathlessly reporting all this in tones of awe-struck wonder without bothering to ask the (to me) pretty obvious question as to whether a loss-making mini-cab franchise could possibly be worth $4billion or whatever.

Ishmael_Z said:

"I could not consent to the introduction into our national life of a device so alien to all our traditions as the referendum which has only too often been the instrument of Nazism and Fascism."

referendums are "a device of dictators and demagogues"

C. Attlee

Discuss

Attlee's reputation only increases further as more time passes.

WhisperingOracle said:

isam said:

WhisperingOracle said:

isam said:

WhisperingOracle said:

Good summing up of some of the atmosphere :

http://www.twitter.com/lisanandy/status/1111686933825179649

Parliament doesn't normally slap the British people in the face though

All the British people ?

Over half!

Not according to current polls, ofcourse ;.)

Haha no! Or most of the ones in 2015/16

Ishmael_Z said:

"I could not consent to the introduction into our national life of a device so alien to all our traditions as the referendum which has only too often been the instrument of Nazism and Fascism."

referendums are "a device of dictators and demagogues"

C. Attlee

Discuss

Well, it has certainly proved alien to our tradition of Parliamentary democracy.

Benpointer said:

Anorak said:

rottenborough said:

May should revoke and immediately resign. New leader has until GE 2022 to come up with an exit that works.

I think she should just revoke on the sly and not tell anyone. Watching the ERG during the dawning realisation would almost make the whole Brexit farrago worthwhile.

It would be priceless. The EU would not accept it though in thouse circumstances.

Oh, hush. Don't spoil the dream.

MarqueeMark said:

rpjs said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedUKPol/status/1111684650794172418

And how does she plan to make it different enough for Bercow to allow it in the first place?

I wonder if a 3-line whip would count?

You think MV1, 2 and 3 weren't 3-line whipped?

MarqueeMark said:

rpjs said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedUKPol/status/1111684650794172418

And how does she plan to make it different enough for Bercow to allow it in the first place?

I wonder if a 3-line whip would count?

Haven't the votes already been 3 line whipped ?!

another_richard said:

rpjs said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedUKPol/status/1111684650794172418

And how does she plan to make it different enough for Bercow to allow it in the first place?

By adding on a CU ?

or a PV

williamglenn said:

Benpointer said:

Ishmael_Z said:

"I could not consent to the introduction into our national life of a device so alien to all our traditions as the referendum which has only too often been the instrument of Nazism and Fascism."

referendums are "a device of dictators and demagogues"

C. Attlee

Discuss

Attlee's reputation only increases further as more time passes.

I think he bears at least as much responsibility for our current problems as any other post-war PM.

Er... as much as Cameron and May??

isam said:

Anorak said:

Benpointer said:

WhisperingOracle said:

isam said:

WhisperingOracle said:

isam said:

WhisperingOracle said:

Good summing up of some of the atmosphere :

http://www.twitter.com/lisanandy/status/1111686933825179649

Parliament doesn't normally slap the British people in the face though

All the British people ?

Over half!

Not according to current polls, ofcourse ;.)

Not ever really - 37% of the British people.

"The British People" is usually code for "people like me".

In this case it just meant people who voted for the winners of the 2016 referendum, which does include me though I suppose.

Fair enough. I'm just a little fed up with people wittering on about The Democratic Will Of The People in a narrowly-squeaked [Pyrrhic] victory.

Benpointer said:

another_richard said:

rpjs said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedUKPol/status/1111684650794172418

And how does she plan to make it different enough for Bercow to allow it in the first place?

By adding on a CU ?

or a PV

CU might get the numbers needed, PV won't.

Anorak said:

isam said:

Anorak said:

Benpointer said:

WhisperingOracle said:

isam said:

WhisperingOracle said:

isam said:

WhisperingOracle said:

Good summing up of some of the atmosphere :

http://www.twitter.com/lisanandy/status/1111686933825179649

Parliament doesn't normally slap the British people in the face though

All the British people ?

Over half!

Not according to current polls, ofcourse ;.)

Not ever really - 37% of the British people.

"The British People" is usually code for "people like me".

In this case it just meant people who voted for the winners of the 2016 referendum, which does include me though I suppose.

Fair enough. I'm just a little fed up with people wittering on about The Democratic Will Of The People in a narrowly-squeaked [Pyrrhic] victory.

Unfortunate that is (usually) the way with binary choices. Manchester United did the treble in 1999, despite being battered in the CL final, winning the league on the last day of the season and being a penalty kick away from losing the cup semi... but ‘look in the book’ as they say.

Benpointer said:

williamglenn said:

Benpointer said:

Ishmael_Z said:

"I could not consent to the introduction into our national life of a device so alien to all our traditions as the referendum which has only too often been the instrument of Nazism and Fascism."

referendums are "a device of dictators and demagogues"

C. Attlee

Discuss

Attlee's reputation only increases further as more time passes.

I think he bears at least as much responsibility for our current problems as any other post-war PM.

Er... as much as Cameron and May??

I assume he’s somewhat responsible for the NHS always being hours away from failure?

Pulpstar said:

tlg86 said:

WhisperingOracle said:

Good summing up of some of the atmosphere :

http://www.twitter.com/lisanandy/status/1111686933825179649

I wandered down to Parliament Square after work and saw a couple of banners referring to MPs as traitors. Presumably they think those voting for the deal are the traitors rather than the likes of Nandy who have consistently voted it down.

Kate Hoey was getting big applause on the Leave stage.

Presumably as a disorientated urban fox crossed the stage and the unspeakable Hoey ate the uneatable?

On a lighter note, it gives me some satisfaction to see the revoke petition has still not reached 6 million.

Benpointer said:

isam said:

Anorak said:

Benpointer said:

WhisperingOracle said:

isam said:

WhisperingOracle said:

isam said:

WhisperingOracle said:

Good summing up of some of the atmosphere :

http://www.twitter.com/lisanandy/status/1111686933825179649

Parliament doesn't normally slap the British people in the face though

All the British people ?

Over half!

Not according to current polls, ofcourse ;.)

Not ever really - 37% of the British people.

"The British People" is usually code for "people like me".

In this case it just meant people who voted for the winners of the 2016 referendum, which does include me though I suppose.

But it was not "over half" of the British people just to be clear.

I assumed we were intelligent enough on here not to have to go through the banality of that argument

Anorak said:

British actors sex offenders are the funniest in the world

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-47748361

"he was found guilty of performing a sex act under cover of a juggler's hat."
and
"he was drunk and thought the 2p slot machine was a urinal"

Every hole is a goal.

I've not had much time to assimilate all the info about what's been going on today, but my understanding is as follows:

1. The Deal has been defeated for a third time, but May is likely to attempt to bring it back for a fourth. Dead horse flogging to continue ad nauseam.
2. Brexit Day is now scheduled for April 12th, but the effective deadline for Parliament voting for any option that might lead to Brexit with a Withdrawal Agreement is April 9th, because the European Council expects any proposal to arrive with it for consideration no later than the 10th.
3. MPs are going to attempt to find a majority for a way forward again on Monday. If they're still deadlocked after that then it's still theoretically possible that they could settle on something through one or two more rounds of voting, though more likely the remaining week thereafter will be eaten up by mutual recrimination and the attempts of the Government to somehow secure MV4.
4. Therefore, if Parliament doesn't vote for a positive outcome on April Fools' Day that the EU can accept - and I don't see much likelihood of anything other than a Deal vs Remain referendum coming to pass at this stage - then MPs are either going to have to resort to the Revoke panic button (probably on the 10th or the 11th, once any lingering hope of any other possible way out of No Deal is dead,) or they will simply sit there like a complete field of wet lettuces and hand total victory to Andrew Bridgen, Bill Cash and the rest of the diehards.

Or is there anything vital that I'm missing here?

Anorak said:

Benpointer said:

WhisperingOracle said:

isam said:

WhisperingOracle said:

isam said:

WhisperingOracle said:

Good summing up of some of the atmosphere :

http://www.twitter.com/lisanandy/status/1111686933825179649

Parliament doesn't normally slap the British people in the face though

All the British people ?

Over half!

Not according to current polls, ofcourse ;.)

Not ever really - 37% of the British people.

"The British People" is usually code for "people like me".

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/eu-referendum-results-wigan-leave-11518194

Pulpstar said:

Benpointer said:

another_richard said:

rpjs said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedUKPol/status/1111684650794172418

And how does she plan to make it different enough for Bercow to allow it in the first place?

By adding on a CU ?

or a PV

CU might get the numbers needed, PV won't.

As Depeche Mode sang back in 1982:

"All I want to do is CU again
Is that too much to ask for?"

SeanT said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

SeanT said:

Well, here is one Brexiteering sinner who abjectly repents, in so many ways. William Glenn was right and I was wrong. Brexit is undeliverable in any meaningful way that doesn’t severely damage the country.

Revote. Or revoke. We have been defeated.

It's usual to quote Luke 15:10 at this point but frankly I feel too sorry for genuine Leavers who have been well and truly led up the garden path.

Commiserations.

Thankyou Peter.

I actually think the entire country has been betrayed by the entire political class, Left to Right, Remain to Leave. Europhiles were arrogant idiots for integrating us so deeply, without our consent, and denying us all those promised referendums.

Just one vote - on Maastricht or the Constitution or Lisbon - would have vented the public’s anger, integration would have stopped, and Brexit would not have existed as a word, let alone a political calamity.

But the behaviour of the hardcore Leavers since the vote has been as misguided and as shortsighted - as witlessly damaging - as anything europhiles ever did. I was wrong to align myself with them.

It is so depressing I am going to bow out of PB for quite a while. Possibly forever. My heart is not in it any more. I will of course honour any outstanding bets.

I wish everyone the best. May God look upon us mercifully. Goodbye.

Please don't go. You add a lot. We'll really miss you.

GIN1138 said:

Four hours until LINO (Leave In Name Only) Everyone Ready?

It's not though is it? It's NLAA (Not Leaving At All) today.

(In any event LINO has already been reserved for T May.)

Omnium said:

Casino_Royale said:

On a lighter note, it gives me some satisfaction to see the revoke petition has still not reached 6 million.

There's a herd thing there. I really don't know if its the power of social media genuinely percolating themes, or whether it is in fact idiots (who may or may not work in the Kremlin) pumping the numbers. There will of course be a degree of both.

I will say though that should I ever meet someone who signed the revoke petition then I'll hold them forever-more in low esteem. Sort of surprising that I genuinely don't know a single person who has said they'd signed - admittedly I've not asked.

I signed. My wife signed. I've not asked anyone else.

I shall just have to live with your low esteem forever more. I'll try to bear it.

PS I suspect there will be a push to get it over 6m before it is debated on Monday.

Benpointer said:

GIN1138 said:

Four hours until LINO (Leave In Name Only) Everyone Ready?

It's not though is it? It's NLAA (Not Leaving At All) today.

(In any event LINO has already been reserved for T May.)

Well personally I'm still leaving at 11pm.... I don't know what your doing?