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They've said that for ages thoughTheScreamingEagles said:
I've asked for clarification but not received it.TheWhiteRabbit said:
are they actually going back on their minideal? Surely not?Charles said:
Of course with no airlines deal we don’t need a third runway at HeathrowSlackbladder said:
Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed...Charles said:
They’ve already been negotiated and signedTheScreamingEagles said:
Managed No Deal is an oxymoron.dots said:Can we read anything significant in fact it was brought this week despite destined to fail? Yes we can, look at the groups earlier saying “looking to bring it back this week” and those saying “only back if can win” and you can see which group is now controlling government. Significant because if you get any promises from the other group they are worthless.
If you don’t believe me, just see what happens next. I expect a “managed no deal” putsch
Brexiteers in and out of cabinet, in the party and their supporters in other parties and the media will go for managed no deal.
2.1. No deal. Cash in
Plus the EU have said the mini/sectoral deals are off the table.
But I guess it’s ok for the Eu to rip up an agreement
Perhaps the good people of Richmond might reconsider?
The EU have after all said no minideals throughout whilst continuing to agrees bits and pieces.
Sectoral mini-deals are not an option.
https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1111648694703742976
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1080474/brexit-news-latest-no-deal-vote-EU-selmayr-juncker-eu-news
Etc etc
what of course followed was a minideal, with a carefully considered amount of pain0 -
That could be enough. If both Labour and Tory net lose votes from 2017 but the Tories lose more, Jeremy could well be seeing the Queen. Yes, I can see it now. He will spurn the official car and will cycle up the Mall to the palace. There will be a light drizzle but that won't bother him.Nigel_Foremain said:I could NEVER vote to actively bring in a Corbyn government. I would vote TIG or LibDem
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"For as long as I can remember the working people of this country have been used and abused by the rich and powerful. Well, no longer. That stops right here and now. It not only stops but we are pledged to reverse the process. From this point forward, the rich and powerful are going to be used and abused by working people. Perhaps not all the time but quite frequently, starting with every Tuesday."0 -
Mini deals with whom? Under which EU Treaty provisions? With what procedures for ratification by the 27 countries?Charles said:
Personally I think they are communicating misinformation to naive journalists who are tweeting without thoughtTheWhiteRabbit said:
are they actually going back on their minideal? Surely not?Charles said:
Of course with no airlines deal we don’t need a third runway at HeathrowSlackbladder said:
Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed...Charles said:
They’ve already been negotiated and signedTheScreamingEagles said:
Managed No Deal is an oxymoron.dots said:Can we read anything significant in fact it was brought this week despite destined to fail? Yes we can, look at the groups earlier saying “looking to bring it back this week” and those saying “only back if can win” and you can see which group is now controlling government. Significant because if you get any promises from the other group they are worthless.
If you don’t believe me, just see what happens next. I expect a “managed no deal” putsch
Brexiteers in and out of cabinet, in the party and their supporters in other parties and the media will go for managed no deal.
2.1. No deal. Cash in
Plus the EU have said the mini/sectoral deals are off the table.
But I guess it’s ok for the Eu to rip up an agreement
Perhaps the good people of Richmond might reconsider?
The EU have after all said no minideals throughout whilst continuing to agrees bits and pieces.
Of course there are going to be mini deals0 -
A chance to vote out Priti!OldKingCole said:I must listen out among my friends and neighbours. I live in Priti Patel's constituency and Priti has voted fairly consistently for No Deal and Out. I wonder how many Conservatives will be happy with her now if, in effect she has brought down a Conservative Government.
Jealous is not the word.0 -
They were only receptive to the other issues because Corbyn very effectively shut down the Brexit debate by saying he would abide by the referendum result and sitting on the fence on everything else Brexit related. He was able to persuade both Leavers and Remainers that he was on their side in the debate. It worked once but it will not work again. He cannot fight a GE without committing one way or another and whichever way he does he will upset a significant number of his supporters.justin124 said:
I rather disagree there. Most people are utterly sick of Brexit and desperate to move on. Despite the obsession of the commentariat, I doubt very much that an election called for this May would turn out to be a Brexit election - beyond the first ten days. People will be very receptive to other issues being raised - as was the case in 2017.0 -
Would they? The remain vote willl support CUK or the Lib Dems, the leave vote will be split across the other partiesrottenborough said:The trouble with any kind of extension, is the EU elections issue. These elections will be won by Farage's Brexit Party, and his new party will be established in public mind.
He will then be running at next GE on a full blown betrayal of the People act. Dangerous waters.0 -
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The 12-24hrs after a vote is invariably filled with absolute nonsense and stupidity.
Glad to see this continue.
There will be no GE without a new Con leader.
There will be no no deal Brexit anytime soon.
The Uk will participate in the Euro elections.0 -
I know this is a gambling site, but the extent to which both leavers and remainers are prepared to play ducks and drakes with no Brexit and no deal respectively is simply astounding.
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Good lordwilliamglenn said:They're leaving it a bit late...
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/11116769651305185280 -
Yep.Pulpstar said:I know this is a gambling site, but the extent to which both leavers and remainers are prepared to play ducks and drakes with no Brexit and no deal respectively is simply astounding.
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If Parliament will not approve a deal we should leave without one. Simples.0
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Labour (REMAIN) versus Conservative (LEAVE) would be an absolutely fascinating GE.Sean_F said:They would support him. But, I think it could also seal the deal for the Conservatives in places like Bishop Auckland, Penistone, and Ashfield.
As you say, it would play in many different ways in many different places.
My sense - and it's no more than that - is that Labour would win.0 -
In what way will UKIP or Brexit 'win'? In the W Midlands UKIP already have ~40% of the seats, Tory 30%, Labour 20% I assume; the seats are divided 3/2/2.isam said:
The establishment have more or less sent a letter begging for that.rottenborough said:The trouble with any kind of extension, is the EU elections issue. These elections will be won by Farage's Brexit Party, and his new party will be established in public mind.
He will then be running at next GE on a full blown betrayal of the People act. Dangerous waters.
How can UKIP & Tory achieve a higher vote share than 70%?0 -
Ladbrokes have changed the odds on us holding EU elections from 1.72 to 1.33.0
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Free money..Morris_Dancer said:Ladbrokes have changed the odds on us holding EU elections from 1.72 to 1.33.
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Makes sense, MPs will need to persuade the public how a Customs Union in any way fulfills the Brexit vote.williamglenn said:They're leaving it a bit late...
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Thankyou Peter.Peter_the_Punter said:
It's usual to quote Luke 15:10 at this point but frankly I feel too sorry for genuine Leavers who have been well and truly led up the garden path.SeanT said:Well, here is one Brexiteering sinner who abjectly repents, in so many ways. William Glenn was right and I was wrong. Brexit is undeliverable in any meaningful way that doesn’t severely damage the country.
Revote. Or revoke. We have been defeated.
Commiserations.
I actually think the entire country has been betrayed by the entire political class, Left to Right, Remain to Leave. Europhiles were arrogant idiots for integrating us so deeply, without our consent, and denying us all those promised referendums.
Just one vote - on Maastricht or the Constitution or Lisbon - would have vented the public’s anger, integration would have stopped, and Brexit would not have existed as a word, let alone a political calamity.
But the behaviour of the hardcore Leavers since the vote has been as misguided and as shortsighted - as witlessly damaging - as anything europhiles ever did. I was wrong to align myself with them.
It is so depressing I am going to bow out of PB for quite a while. Possibly forever. My heart is not in it any more. I will of course honour any outstanding bets.
I wish everyone the best. May God look upon us mercifully. Goodbye.0 -
I suspect the more they learn about being in just a customs union with the EU (like Turkey) the less they will feel inclined to support it. Perhaps the EU will come up with something more appealing for UK tastes.RobD said:
Good lordwilliamglenn said:They're leaving it a bit late...
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This is Sean. He will be back within a day or so swearing eternal damnation upon all Remainers and saying he would rather burn in the deepest pit of Donald Tusk's Coal Cellar than repent his unquenchable Brexit beliefs.Nigelb said:
You going all John of Gaunt on us ?SeanT said:Well, here is one Brexiteering sinner who abjectly repents, in so many ways. William Glenn was right and I was wrong. Brexit is undeliverable in any meaningful way that doesn’t severely damage the country.
Revote. Or revoke. We have been defeated.
That England that was wont to conquer others
Hath made a shameful conquest of itself...
Or not. Depending on the number of drinks.0 -
Are you sure? The Brexit vote will split between Con / UKIP / Brexit / Lots of UKIP splintersrottenborough said:The trouble with any kind of extension, is the EU elections issue. These elections will be won by Farage's Brexit Party, and his new party will be established in public mind.
He will then be running at next GE on a full blown betrayal of the People act. Dangerous waters.
I reckon Labour might do quite well.0 -
In the words of Arnold : you’ll be backSeanT said:
Thankyou Peter.Peter_the_Punter said:
It's usual to quote Luke 15:10 at this point but frankly I feel too sorry for genuine Leavers who have been well and truly led up the garden path.SeanT said:Well, here is one Brexiteering sinner who abjectly repents, in so many ways. William Glenn was right and I was wrong. Brexit is undeliverable in any meaningful way that doesn’t severely damage the country.
Revote. Or revoke. We have been defeated.
Commiserations.
I actually think the entire country has been betrayed by the entire political class, Left to Right, Remain to Leave. Europhiles were arrogant idiots for integrating us so deeply, without our consent, and denying us all those promised referendums.
Just one vote - on Maastricht or the Constitution or Lisbon - would have vented the public’s anger, integration would have stopped, and Brexit would not have existed as a word, let alone a political calamity.
But the behaviour of the hardcore Leavers since the vote has been as misguided and as shortsighted - as witlessly damaging - as anything europhiles ever did. I was wrong to align myself with them.
It is so depressing I am going to bow out of PB for quite a while. Possibly forever. My heart is not in it any more. I will of course honour any outstanding bets.
I wish everyone the best. May God look upon us mercifully. Goodbye.0 -
Well if we had left in an orderly fashion, UKIP would have been destroyed and Farage's Brexit party would never have existed, so I guess their win is by winning again or getting a large number of votes between them.rural_voter said:
In what way will UKIP or Brexit 'win'? In the W Midlands UKIP already have ~40% of the seats, Tory 30%, Labour 20% I assume; the seats are divided 3/2/2.isam said:
The establishment have more or less sent a letter begging for that.rottenborough said:The trouble with any kind of extension, is the EU elections issue. These elections will be won by Farage's Brexit Party, and his new party will be established in public mind.
He will then be running at next GE on a full blown betrayal of the People act. Dangerous waters.
How can UKIP & Tory achieve a higher vote share than 70%?
I dont know or want to predict Euro election scores, but I wouldnt bracket the Tories with UKIP or Farage, people who want to leave wont be voting for them IMO.0 -
I just cant see the Tories, as the party that failed to deliver Brexit, being backed by Leaverstpfkar said:
Are you sure? The Brexit vote will split between Con / UKIP / Brexit / Lots of UKIP splintersrottenborough said:The trouble with any kind of extension, is the EU elections issue. These elections will be won by Farage's Brexit Party, and his new party will be established in public mind.
He will then be running at next GE on a full blown betrayal of the People act. Dangerous waters.
I reckon Labour might do quite well.0 -
Astonishing you can wear that and not get arrested (if he wasn't).TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Assuming the Letwin process ends up with some sort of trade+customs union, a complete split will presumably open up between DUP and ERG. The DUP should be fine with that, because trade can continue as now indefinitely with no question of special Irish border isuses. The ERG will all hate it, because the independent trade agreement unicorn will have galloped into the mist.OldKingCole said:
Agree, certainly if it was May's Deal vs Revoke.RH1992 said:
I wouldn't like to bet on whatever the Letwin process produces vs May's deal. The DUP will never vote for May's deal but I wonder whether Francois etc would really stick to that 'shotgun in the mouth" mentality when it's May's deal v Customs Union/Second Ref. I reckon Hoey and a couple of other Labour leavers switching too so it could squeak over the line.OldKingCole said:The Guardian is suggesting that 'there could be a run-off next week between MV3 and whatever the Letwin process produces'
But what about Tory Remainers? Won't they feel a customs union is better than May's deal, and as she's going anyway feel freer to vote for it?0 -
Whether you are a Remain or Leave supporter I think the one thing we can agree is that most of our MPs are fecking muppets.williamglenn said:They're leaving it a bit late...
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1111676965130518528
If the sorts of people who frequent PB, most of whom are professionals with busy lives, can take the time to try and understand things like the Customs Union, then why the hell can't MPs well in advance of actually voting on it. After all it is only their bloody jobs.
In all seriousness, we need to do something about the quality of the people who are standing to be the leaders of our country.0 -
Cheerio, same time tomorrow?SeanT said:
Thankyou Peter.Peter_the_Punter said:
It's usual to quote Luke 15:10 at this point but frankly I feel too sorry for genuine Leavers who have been well and truly led up the garden path.SeanT said:Well, here is one Brexiteering sinner who abjectly repents, in so many ways. William Glenn was right and I was wrong. Brexit is undeliverable in any meaningful way that doesn’t severely damage the country.
Revote. Or revoke. We have been defeated.
Commiserations.
I actually think the entire country has been betrayed by the entire political class, Left to Right, Remain to Leave. Europhiles were arrogant idiots for integrating us so deeply, without our consent, and denying us all those promised referendums.
Just one vote - on Maastricht or the Constitution or Lisbon - would have vented the public’s anger, integration would have stopped, and Brexit would not have existed as a word, let alone a political calamity.
But the behaviour of the hardcore Leavers since the vote has been as misguided and as shortsighted - as witlessly damaging - as anything europhiles ever did. I was wrong to align myself with them.
It is so depressing I am going to bow out of PB for quite a while. Possibly forever. My heart is not in it any more. I will of course honour any outstanding bets.
I wish everyone the best. May God look upon us mercifully. Goodbye.0 -
Being a c##t is not a crime.Ishmael_Z said:
Astonishing you can wear that and not get arrested (if he wasn't).TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
What a lovely bunch of protesters gathering outside the Commons! The warm and cuddly EDL and assorted other hate mongers .
Really doesn’t help the Leave cause .
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Why would any Brexit supporter vote Conservative ? An utterly wasted vote. Particularly under PM May.tpfkar said:
Are you sure? The Brexit vote will split between Con / UKIP / Brexit / Lots of UKIP splintersrottenborough said:The trouble with any kind of extension, is the EU elections issue. These elections will be won by Farage's Brexit Party, and his new party will be established in public mind.
He will then be running at next GE on a full blown betrayal of the People act. Dangerous waters.
I reckon Labour might do quite well.0 -
Agreed. GE, Lab Win, REF2, Remain. That sequence.anothernick said:Well I think an early GE would certainly see a great deal of tactical voting by remainers and, whilst a new parliament might not have a Labour majority, it would have a majority of members elected on some kind of commitment to a new referendum (since, as you suggest, Labour would have to make commitment, however qualified, to hold one).
And I suggest remain voters are more organised and determined than leave voters, who will be angry, demoralised and unclear whether they can trust the Tories to deliver. So some will peel off to the Farage/Brexit party.
So a GE would probably lead ultimately to remain.
For a long time a GE was seen as an alternative to REF2 - hence all of those PV people being livid about Corbyn always banging on about an election.
They were wrong. A GE, leading to a Labour government, is the route to REF2.
Corbyn is playing this perfectly for Remain. Chuka should be kissing his marrows.0 -
A very strange conclusion to draw I agreeTGOHF said:
Why would any Brexit supporter vote Conservative ? An utterly wasted vote. Particularly under PM May.tpfkar said:
Are you sure? The Brexit vote will split between Con / UKIP / Brexit / Lots of UKIP splintersrottenborough said:The trouble with any kind of extension, is the EU elections issue. These elections will be won by Farage's Brexit Party, and his new party will be established in public mind.
He will then be running at next GE on a full blown betrayal of the People act. Dangerous waters.
I reckon Labour might do quite well.0 -
Curiously, the TIG split has made a further split less likely - partly it's prompted Watson to offer an alternative strategy for centrists, and partly they are really annoying pro-Customs Union centrists by voting against it - "they're more interested in harming Labour than helping stop hard Brexit", as one impeccably centrist MP said to me. I think it would take some major new development to produce further Labour switches to TIG.justin124 said:
The key question is 'How many deposits will TIG save?'0 -
I don't agree with him but why should he be arrested?Ishmael_Z said:
Astonishing you can wear that and not get arrested (if he wasn't).TheScreamingEagles said:
He is not threatening anyone. Are you saying people should now be arrested because they hold and articulate (though I use that word loosely) views that you disagree with?0 -
I have to disagree. Even in May/June 2017 most people were fed up with Brexit, found it a very technical complicated matter and were already very keen to move on.That feeling is even more intense today , and politicians - not just Corbyn - who raise other issues are likely to find a very receptive audience.Richard_Tyndall said:
They were only receptive to the other issues because Corbyn very effectively shut down the Brexit debate by saying he would abide by the referendum result and sitting on the fence on everything else Brexit related. He was able to persuade both Leavers and Remainers that he was on their side in the debate. It worked once but it will not work again. He cannot fight a GE without committing one way or another and whichever way he does he will upset a significant number of his supporters.justin124 said:
I rather disagree there. Most people are utterly sick of Brexit and desperate to move on. Despite the obsession of the commentariat, I doubt very much that an election called for this May would turn out to be a Brexit election - beyond the first ten days. People will be very receptive to other issues being raised - as was the case in 2017.0 -
It's a stupid tweet. Phrased differently, this is MP's (much as I also think they're a total shower) rightly topping up their knowledge on a current topic. Would we prefer them not to have this session? One of the worst things about current political discourse is the burning desire to make everything into a meme.Richard_Tyndall said:
Whether you are a Remain or Leave supporter I think the one thing we can agree is that most of our MPs are fecking muppets.williamglenn said:They're leaving it a bit late...
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1111676965130518528
If the sorts of people who frequent PB, most of whom are professionals with busy lives, can take the time to try and understand things like the Customs Union, then why the hell can't MPs well in advance of actually voting on it. After all it is only their bloody jobs.
In all seriousness, we need to do something about the quality of the people who are standing to be the leaders of our country.0 -
Bizarrely, after finishing his book, I quite like him. Although the "Aaron Banks" in "The Bad Boys Of Brexit" is more a composite of Isabel Oakshott's construction than the real person (she and a team of researchers was the ghostwriters), I assume it's not that far off the truth. Although I do suspect he might be a nasty drunk instead of a happy drunk, which is my usual litmus test for like/dislike.Nigel_Foremain said:
And what is your opinion of Aaron Banks?MarqueeMark said:
....and the largest anti-EU movement.TheScreamingEagles said:
A reflection that the UK is now the home of what is probably the largest Pro EU movement in Europe.logical_song said:
Like the new logoTheScreamingEagles said:I reckon IDS and Boris would lose their seats in a snap election.
I love the idea of all the ProEU Movement agitating for an institution headed by Juncker, the sort of businessman they would ordinarily be, er, marching to have removed from office - for being an affront to all that was decent in the world they want to live in. But hey, IOKIYAE.
(It's OK If You're A Eurocrat)
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Absolutely.Philip_Thompson said:
Being a c##t is not a crime.Ishmael_Z said:
Astonishing you can wear that and not get arrested (if he wasn't).TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Tell that to the 5 million people who marched last Saturday!justin124 said:
I have to disagree. Even in May/June 2017 most people were fed up with Brexit, found it a very technical complicated matter and were already very keen to move on.That feeling is even more intense today , and politicians - not just Corbyn - who raise other issues are likely to find a very receptive audience.Richard_Tyndall said:
They were only receptive to the other issues because Corbyn very effectively shut down the Brexit debate by saying he would abide by the referendum result and sitting on the fence on everything else Brexit related. He was able to persuade both Leavers and Remainers that he was on their side in the debate. It worked once but it will not work again. He cannot fight a GE without committing one way or another and whichever way he does he will upset a significant number of his supporters.justin124 said:
I rather disagree there. Most people are utterly sick of Brexit and desperate to move on. Despite the obsession of the commentariat, I doubt very much that an election called for this May would turn out to be a Brexit election - beyond the first ten days. People will be very receptive to other issues being raised - as was the case in 2017.0 -
Not in the Euros, it's a free kick.isam said:
I just cant see the Tories, as the party that failed to deliver Brexit, being backed by Leaverstpfkar said:
Are you sure? The Brexit vote will split between Con / UKIP / Brexit / Lots of UKIP splintersrottenborough said:The trouble with any kind of extension, is the EU elections issue. These elections will be won by Farage's Brexit Party, and his new party will be established in public mind.
He will then be running at next GE on a full blown betrayal of the People act. Dangerous waters.
I reckon Labour might do quite well.
I'll await the local election leaflets before deciding how to cast my vote - see if anyone is prepared to do anything about our extortionate council tax here... my vote won't be anything to do with Brexit in those, though I think plenty of people's will be !0 -
Well, we might like them to top up their knowledge before Monday's vote...Luckyguy1983 said:
It's a stupid tweet. Phrased differently, this is MP's (much as I also think they're a total shower) rightly topping up their knowledge on a current topic. Would we prefer them not to have this session? One of the worst things about current political discourse is the burning desire to make everything into a meme.Richard_Tyndall said:
Whether you are a Remain or Leave supporter I think the one thing we can agree is that most of our MPs are fecking muppets.williamglenn said:They're leaving it a bit late...
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1111676965130518528
If the sorts of people who frequent PB, most of whom are professionals with busy lives, can take the time to try and understand things like the Customs Union, then why the hell can't MPs well in advance of actually voting on it. After all it is only their bloody jobs.
In all seriousness, we need to do something about the quality of the people who are standing to be the leaders of our country.0 -
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Mr. Tyndall, quite.
Most MPs want us to stay. They lack the guts to actually do what's necessary so we stay, and they lack the integrity to back the public vote which they themselves voted for (and Article 50 was also triggered by a Commons vote).
Pro- or anti-EU, the electorate are not well served by MPs.0 -
True but in general we leavers are must more tolerant than you remainers. See thisnico67 said:What a lovely bunch of protesters gathering outside the Commons! The warm and cuddly EDL and assorted other hate mongers .
Really doesn’t help the Leave cause .
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Rotten Borough
Bring the odious Farage on. He and the clowns that follow him rapidly descend into a laughing stock. One should not fear them.0 -
I will never cease to be amazed at people who believe they can arrange hundreds of small deals in fourteen days with an entity that doesn't want to deal, and without actually having the power to negotiate any deal at all. It's one thing to believe in unicorns, it's another thing to phone to book the unicorn stadium for unicorn dressage, despite there being no unicorns, no unicorn stadium, no such sport as unicorn dressage, and you don't own a phone.dots said:Can we read anything significant in fact it was brought this week despite destined to fail? Yes we can, look at the groups earlier saying “looking to bring it back this week” and those saying “only back if can win” and you can see which group is now controlling government. Significant because if you get any promises from the other group they are worthless.
If you don’t believe me, just see what happens next. I expect a “managed no deal” putsch
Brexiteers in and out of cabinet, in the party and their supporters in other parties and the media will go for managed no deal.
2.1. No deal. Cash in0 -
F1: my pre-qualifying rambly thoughts, including some off-track news:
http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.com/2019/03/bahrain-pre-qualifying-2019.html0 -
Music to Corbyn's ears, he's almost won ! No deal and a Labour Gov't.TheScreamingEagles said:
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK !0 -
isam said:
Tell that to the 5 million people who marched last Saturday!</blockquotejustin124 said:
I have to disagree. Even in May/June 2017 most people were fed up with Brexit, found it a very technical complicated matter and were already very keen to move on.That feeling is even more intense today , and politicians - not just Corbyn - who raise other issues are likely to find a very receptive audience.Richard_Tyndall said:
They were only receptive to the other issues because Corbyn very effectively shut down the Brexit debate by saying he would abide by the referendum result and sitting on the fence on everything else Brexit related. He was able to persuade both Leavers and Remainers that he was on their side in the debate. It worked once but it will not work again. He cannot fight a GE without committing one way or another and whichever way he does he will upset a significant number of his supporters.justin124 said:
I rather disagree there. Most people are utterly sick of Brexit and desperate to move on. Despite the obsession of the commentariat, I doubt very much that an election called for this May would turn out to be a Brexit election - beyond the first ten days. People will be very receptive to other issues being raised - as was the case in 2017.
5 million? I believe it was more like 500,000. However, my point does apply to them too - ie the obsessives on both sides.0 -
What did people think the aims of the DUP were here.Scott_P said:
This is insanity.
Of course they were going to prioritise the Union over leaving the Union.0 -
The point being they have debating this for months - sorry I mean years - and they are only now deciding to find out what it all means???Luckyguy1983 said:
It's a stupid tweet. Phrased differently, this is MP's (much as I also think they're a total shower) rightly topping up their knowledge on a current topic. Would we prefer them not to have this session? One of the worst things about current political discourse is the burning desire to make everything into a meme.Richard_Tyndall said:
Whether you are a Remain or Leave supporter I think the one thing we can agree is that most of our MPs are fecking muppets.williamglenn said:They're leaving it a bit late...
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1111676965130518528
If the sorts of people who frequent PB, most of whom are professionals with busy lives, can take the time to try and understand things like the Customs Union, then why the hell can't MPs well in advance of actually voting on it. After all it is only their bloody jobs.
In all seriousness, we need to do something about the quality of the people who are standing to be the leaders of our country.
They should have been having these sessions 3 years go or more.0 -
It is remarkable how far he's fallen from the figure that was widely seen as trouncing Nick Clegg in the EU debates. I don't think it's entirely his own fault, but the degree to which he's been complicit in turning himself into some sort of panto drag act of a eurosceptic is surprising._Anazina_ said:Rotten Borough
Bring the odious Farage on. He and the clowns that follow him rapidly descend into a laughing stock. One should not fear them.0 -
Surely they have to oust her now? This is the very definition of madness.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Er no. They may have found it technically difficult but they therefore based their views of the party leaders on what they said in broad strokes. Both May (of course) and Corbyn said we would leave the EU. That meant for many Leavers it stopped being a party political issue and they could concentrate on other matters. This is no longer the case.justin124 said:
I have to disagree. Even in May/June 2017 most people were fed up with Brexit, found it a very technical complicated matter and were already very keen to move on.That feeling is even more intense today , and politicians - not just Corbyn - who raise other issues are likely to find a very receptive audience.Richard_Tyndall said:
They were only receptive to the other issues because Corbyn very effectively shut down the Brexit debate by saying he would abide by the referendum result and sitting on the fence on everything else Brexit related. He was able to persuade both Leavers and Remainers that he was on their side in the debate. It worked once but it will not work again. He cannot fight a GE without committing one way or another and whichever way he does he will upset a significant number of his supporters.justin124 said:
I rather disagree there. Most people are utterly sick of Brexit and desperate to move on. Despite the obsession of the commentariat, I doubt very much that an election called for this May would turn out to be a Brexit election - beyond the first ten days. People will be very receptive to other issues being raised - as was the case in 2017.0 -
Hmm. I wish I had your faith._Anazina_ said:Rotten Borough
Bring the odious Farage on. He and the clowns that follow him rapidly descend into a laughing stock. One should not fear them.0 -
Christ on a bike.Richard_Tyndall said:
I don't agree with him but why should he be arrested?Ishmael_Z said:
Astonishing you can wear that and not get arrested (if he wasn't).TheScreamingEagles said:
He is not threatening anyone. Are you saying people should now be arrested because they hold and articulate (though I use that word loosely) views that you disagree with?
I said absolutely nothing about what I thought or about what should happen, merely that there was a strong likelihood of getting arrested for hate crime for the multiculturism is genocide sign.
Today of all days you should be basking in the immense pride and joy which must flow from seeing what you and your lot have done to this country. Don't spoil it by picking fights.0 -
Other explanations are available...Norm said:
True but in general we leavers are must more tolerant than you remainers. See thisnico67 said:What a lovely bunch of protesters gathering outside the Commons! The warm and cuddly EDL and assorted other hate mongers .
Really doesn’t help the Leave cause .
https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1111680500106780674
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He could have fooled me, he seems to only care about the Union if it does the things he wants.Scott_P said:
But that they'd prefer remain to the deal makes more sense than them backing down on it.0 -
Ah bless....williamglenn said:
Truthfully I couldn't give a **** how he or other MPs are feeling!
They have stolen the people's vote from 2016 and made it all about them...0 -
Cannot imagine what first attracted this lot to Leave.
https://twitter.com/skeptical7th/status/11116816898042920960 -
I have no problem with Leavers if they support an orderly exit and a deal . Those pushing for no deal I have no time for .Norm said:
True but in general we leavers are must more tolerant than you remainers. See thisnico67 said:What a lovely bunch of protesters gathering outside the Commons! The warm and cuddly EDL and assorted other hate mongers .
Really doesn’t help the Leave cause .
https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1111680500106780674
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They're not now 'finding out what it is', that's entirely Faisal Islam's rather silly and obnoxious inference. This talk could have been scheduled in for months, and is surely a very standard part of MP's cpd. It's silly outrage bus stuff. Be angry about MP's *not* educating themselves, not when they do.Richard_Tyndall said:
The point being they have debating this for months - sorry I mean years - and they are only now deciding to find out what it all means???Luckyguy1983 said:
It's a stupid tweet. Phrased differently, this is MP's (much as I also think they're a total shower) rightly topping up their knowledge on a current topic. Would we prefer them not to have this session? One of the worst things about current political discourse is the burning desire to make everything into a meme.Richard_Tyndall said:
Whether you are a Remain or Leave supporter I think the one thing we can agree is that most of our MPs are fecking muppets.williamglenn said:They're leaving it a bit late...
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1111676965130518528
If the sorts of people who frequent PB, most of whom are professionals with busy lives, can take the time to try and understand things like the Customs Union, then why the hell can't MPs well in advance of actually voting on it. After all it is only their bloody jobs.
In all seriousness, we need to do something about the quality of the people who are standing to be the leaders of our country.
They should have been having these sessions 3 years go or more.0 -
Well said.GIN1138 said:
Ah bless....williamglenn said:
Truthfully I couldn't give a **** how he or other MPs are feeling!
They have stolen the people's vote from 2016 and made it all about them...0 -
Being a racist c%%t is.Philip_Thompson said:
Being a c##t is not a crime.Ishmael_Z said:
Astonishing you can wear that and not get arrested (if he wasn't).TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
GBP now under $1.30 and 1.16EUR on www.xe.com0
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https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1111687093951045635?s=21
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Eh? Not got my headphones, but does he say that exactly? How does that make sense? Virtually no one throught it would win, so you'd vote for it if you thought it the best option remaining, end of.williamglenn said:0 -
I’m seriously considering not voting in any new GE.0
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The Cabinet cannot try to oust her because they don't agree what they want. Her not going to a plan B is very bad, but she can at least technically say it has increased in support, so in the absence of them coalescing around anything else of course she tries it.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
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We have different views on this.I never had a sense that Brexit was an issue which the public at large was desperate to talk about in 2017 regardless of the lines taken by May and Corbyn at the time - most people were keener to discuss other matters.I may be proved wrong on this, but my gut feeling is that the idea that they will want to spend 5 or 6 further weeks focussing on Brexit is - frankly - 'for the birds'.Richard_Tyndall said:
Er no. They may have found it technically difficult but they therefore based their views of the party leaders on what they said in broad strokes. Both May (of course) and Corbyn said we would leave the EU. That meant for many Leavers it stopped being a party political issue and they could concentrate on other matters. This is no longer the case.justin124 said:
I have to disagree. Even in May/June 2017 most people were fed up with Brexit, found it a very technical complicated matter and were already very keen to move on.That feeling is even more intense today , and politicians - not just Corbyn - who raise other issues are likely to find a very receptive audience.Richard_Tyndall said:
They were only receptive to the other issues because Corbyn very effectively shut down the Brexit debate by saying he would abide by the referendum result and sitting on the fence on everything else Brexit related. He was able to persuade both Leavers and Remainers that he was on their side in the debate. It worked once but it will not work again. He cannot fight a GE without committing one way or another and whichever way he does he will upset a significant number of his supporters.justin124 said:
I rather disagree there. Most people are utterly sick of Brexit and desperate to move on. Despite the obsession of the commentariat, I doubt very much that an election called for this May would turn out to be a Brexit election - beyond the first ten days. People will be very receptive to other issues being raised - as was the case in 2017.0 -
I genuinely like it when people take the time to top-up their knowledge: the world is big and complex and it is unreasonable to expect everybody to know everything. So you make a good point.Luckyguy1983 said:
It's a stupid tweet. Phrased differently, this is MP's (much as I also think they're a total shower) rightly topping up their knowledge on a current topic. Would we prefer them not to have this session? One of the worst things about current political discourse is the burning desire to make everything into a meme.Richard_Tyndall said:
Whether you are a Remain or Leave supporter I think the one thing we can agree is that most of our MPs are fecking muppets.williamglenn said:They're leaving it a bit late...
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1111676965130518528
If the sorts of people who frequent PB, most of whom are professionals with busy lives, can take the time to try and understand things like the Customs Union, then why the hell can't MPs well in advance of actually voting on it. After all it is only their bloody jobs.
In all seriousness, we need to do something about the quality of the people who are standing to be the leaders of our country.
However it does have to be said on a two-and-a-half year journey from jumping out of the plane to the ground, the best time for the course "How to assemble a parachute for beginners" is probably not fourteen days before impact.0 -
Which other party could deliver Brexit ?TGOHF said:
Why would any Brexit supporter vote Conservative ? An utterly wasted vote. Particularly under PM May.tpfkar said:
Are you sure? The Brexit vote will split between Con / UKIP / Brexit / Lots of UKIP splintersrottenborough said:The trouble with any kind of extension, is the EU elections issue. These elections will be won by Farage's Brexit Party, and his new party will be established in public mind.
He will then be running at next GE on a full blown betrayal of the People act. Dangerous waters.
I reckon Labour might do quite well.0 -
At the end he says the only thing they can do now is leave with no deal "because if we don't, God help us".kle4 said:
Eh? Not got my headphones, but does he say that exactly? How does that make sense? Virtually no one throught it would win, so you'd vote for it if you thought it the best option remaining, end of.williamglenn said:0 -
http://ch.uk/domains/domains4sale.asp?domain=ch.ukisam said:https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1111687093951045635?s=21
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yeah he does.kle4 said:
Eh? Not got my headphones, but does he say that exactly? How does that make sense? Virtually no one throught it would win, so you'd vote for it if you thought it the best option remaining, end of.williamglenn said:0 -
Desperate stuffisam said:https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1111687093951045635?s=21
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You need to vote for a leader who has voted to leave the EU in both referendums, voted against the EU at every stage of its development, and voted for no-deal at every stage of the current process.another_richard said:
Which other party could deliver Brexit ?
Ohhh, Jeremy Corbyn .....
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That's pretty weaksauce.isam said:
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I don't hate Leavers at all. Nevertheless there's a difference: Leavers screwed up; Remainers didn't.Norm said:
True but in general we leavers are must more tolerant than you remainers. See thisnico67 said:What a lovely bunch of protesters gathering outside the Commons! The warm and cuddly EDL and assorted other hate mongers .
Really doesn’t help the Leave cause .
https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/11116805001067806740 -
Did we work out if he was a Russian spy in the end? Because if he is, he's doing the Motherland proud.Andrew said:
You need to vote for a leader who has voted to leave the EU in both referendums, voted against the EU at every stage of its development, and voted for no-deal at every stage of the current process.another_richard said:
Which other party could deliver Brexit ?
Ohhh, Jeremy Corbyn .....0 -
I know! Chuka's vanity knows no boundsMikeSmithson said:
Desperate stuffisam said:https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1111687093951045635?s=21
Some Tiggers are more equal than others!
I thought you were going to say Farage did the same when he set up the National Front!0 -
Only an obsessive Brexiter would withold support from the Tories on the basis of that issue alone. Relatively few people hold such strong views on the issue on either side of the debate.another_richard said:
Which other party could deliver Brexit ?TGOHF said:
Why would any Brexit supporter vote Conservative ? An utterly wasted vote. Particularly under PM May.tpfkar said:
Are you sure? The Brexit vote will split between Con / UKIP / Brexit / Lots of UKIP splintersrottenborough said:The trouble with any kind of extension, is the EU elections issue. These elections will be won by Farage's Brexit Party, and his new party will be established in public mind.
He will then be running at next GE on a full blown betrayal of the People act. Dangerous waters.
I reckon Labour might do quite well.0 -
No ones going to deliver anything at The Euros are they?another_richard said:
Which other party could deliver Brexit ?TGOHF said:
Why would any Brexit supporter vote Conservative ? An utterly wasted vote. Particularly under PM May.tpfkar said:
Are you sure? The Brexit vote will split between Con / UKIP / Brexit / Lots of UKIP splintersrottenborough said:The trouble with any kind of extension, is the EU elections issue. These elections will be won by Farage's Brexit Party, and his new party will be established in public mind.
He will then be running at next GE on a full blown betrayal of the People act. Dangerous waters.
I reckon Labour might do quite well.0 -
Chuka's initials aren't "CUK"isam said:
I know! Chuka's vanity knows no boundsMikeSmithson said:
Desperate stuffisam said:https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1111687093951045635?s=21
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ChUK.Stereotomy said:
Chuka's initials aren't "CUK"isam said:
I know! Chuka's vanity knows no boundsMikeSmithson said:
Desperate stuffisam said:https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1111687093951045635?s=21
Some Tiggers are more equal than others!
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I'm beginning to see what you mean....Casino_Royale said:I’m seriously considering not voting in any new GE.
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What offence do you think he may have committed?Ishmael_Z said:
Astonishing you can wear that and not get arrested (if he wasn't).TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Haha!! They're not far off it!!Stereotomy said:
Chuka's initials aren't "CUK"isam said:
I know! Chuka's vanity knows no boundsMikeSmithson said:
Desperate stuffisam said:https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1111687093951045635?s=21
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Don't slam the door.SeanT said:
Thankyou Peter.Peter_the_Punter said:
It's usual to quote Luke 15:10 at this point but frankly I feel too sorry for genuine Leavers who have been well and truly led up the garden path.SeanT said:Well, here is one Brexiteering sinner who abjectly repents, in so many ways. William Glenn was right and I was wrong. Brexit is undeliverable in any meaningful way that doesn’t severely damage the country.
Revote. Or revoke. We have been defeated.
Commiserations.
I actually think the entire country has been betrayed by the entire political class, Left to Right, Remain to Leave. Europhiles were arrogant idiots for integrating us so deeply, without our consent, and denying us all those promised referendums.
Just one vote - on Maastricht or the Constitution or Lisbon - would have vented the public’s anger, integration would have stopped, and Brexit would not have existed as a word, let alone a political calamity.
But the behaviour of the hardcore Leavers since the vote has been as misguided and as shortsighted - as witlessly damaging - as anything europhiles ever did. I was wrong to align myself with them.
It is so depressing I am going to bow out of PB for quite a while. Possibly forever. My heart is not in it any more. I will of course honour any outstanding bets.
I wish everyone the best. May God look upon us mercifully. Goodbye.0 -
I said nothing about that, I was talking about the possibility of the average Met plod thinking he had committed an offence, and I would have thought that at least as many policemen as not would regard "multiculturalism is genocide" as an incitement to racial hatred.Cyclefree said:
What offence do you think he may have committed?Ishmael_Z said:
Astonishing you can wear that and not get arrested (if he wasn't).TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Don't worry. He'll be back. Tomorrow probably.Streeter said:
Don't slam the door.SeanT said:
Thankyou Peter.Peter_the_Punter said:
It's usual to quote Luke 15:10 at this point but frankly I feel too sorry for genuine Leavers who have been well and truly led up the garden path.SeanT said:Well, here is one Brexiteering sinner who abjectly repents, in so many ways. William Glenn was right and I was wrong. Brexit is undeliverable in any meaningful way that doesn’t severely damage the country.
Revote. Or revoke. We have been defeated.
Commiserations.
I actually think the entire country has been betrayed by the entire political class, Left to Right, Remain to Leave. Europhiles were arrogant idiots for integrating us so deeply, without our consent, and denying us all those promised referendums.
Just one vote - on Maastricht or the Constitution or Lisbon - would have vented the public’s anger, integration would have stopped, and Brexit would not have existed as a word, let alone a political calamity.
But the behaviour of the hardcore Leavers since the vote has been as misguided and as shortsighted - as witlessly damaging - as anything europhiles ever did. I was wrong to align myself with them.
It is so depressing I am going to bow out of PB for quite a while. Possibly forever. My heart is not in it any more. I will of course honour any outstanding bets.
I wish everyone the best. May God look upon us mercifully. Goodbye. 0 -
Why talk about something when as far as the main parties are concerned, it is already settled?justin124 said:
We have different views on this.I never had a sense that Brexit was an issue which the public at large was desperate to talk about in 2017 regardless of the lines taken by May and Corbyn at the time - most people were keener to discuss other matters.I may be proved wrong on this, but my gut feeling is that the idea that they will want to spend 5 or 6 further weeks focussing on Brexit is - frankly - 'for the birds'.Richard_Tyndall said:
Er no. They may have found it technically difficult but they therefore based their views of the party leaders on what they said in broad strokes. Both May (of course) and Corbyn said we would leave the EU. That meant for many Leavers it stopped being a party political issue and they could concentrate on other matters. This is no longer the case.justin124 said:
I have to disagree. Even in May/June 2017 most people were fed up with Brexit, found it a very technical complicated matter and were already very keen to move on.That feeling is even more intense today , and politicians - not just Corbyn - who raise other issues are likely to find a very receptive audience.Richard_Tyndall said:
They were only receptive to the other issues because Corbyn very effectively shut down the Brexit debate by saying he would abide by the referendum result and sitting on the fence on everything else Brexit related. He was able to persuade both Leavers and Remainers that he was on their side in the debate. It worked once but it will not work again. He cannot fight a GE without committing one way or another and whichever way he does he will upset a significant number of his supporters.justin124 said:
I rather disagree there. Most people are utterly sick of Brexit and desperate to move on. Despite the obsession of the commentariat, I doubt very much that an election called for this May would turn out to be a Brexit election - beyond the first ten days. People will be very receptive to other issues being raised - as was the case in 2017.0 -
I hope they give similar prominence to news concerning fines for Remain groups.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
In the 2017 GE Brexit was irrelevant to my vote. Keeping Corbyn out of power was the only thing I was interested in. The same will be the case if there is a GE this year. Alas, my vote will make no difference at all as the Labour MP has a large majority. So my choices are:-
1. Voting for the Lib Dems. These days that’s the electoral equivalent of a pity fuck.
2. Abstaining in person.
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Being against multi-culturalism is not racist.Ishmael_Z said:
Being a racist c%%t is.Philip_Thompson said:
Being a c##t is not a crime.Ishmael_Z said:
Astonishing you can wear that and not get arrested (if he wasn't).TheScreamingEagles said:0
