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The Brady amendment appears to have rattled all the right people. I bet Ian Dunt has steam coming out of his ears! Long way to go but this feels like a huge step forward given some of the shambolic scenes recently.0
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I'm up for starting a remainer enclave in Brittany. Any takers? We'll secede from the UK as soon as poss, natch.El_Capitano said:Frankly I hope Europe tells “us” to piss off.
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What did Corbyn achieve by not talking to May for a couple of weeks? Nothing.0
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The hope would be even though you are right it is not the only or main problem, it is enough of an additional concession to give cover for people to switch to backing the deal to avoid a crash out. But it relies on things outside of our power, which is concerning to say the leastArtist said:Only a small number of Tory rebels said the backstop was the main problem with the deal.
She already tried that!Sandpit said:PM is going back to Brussels to try and renegotiate the backstop. Good luck Theresa!
I am surprised that the 'reject no deal' non binding vote did not lose by more. It's being sold as the clearest indicator of parliament rejecting no deal, but it was pretty close.0 -
I am really surprised at tonights votes and it would be churlish to deny TM has had a good day0
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A better one for Corbyn. The Tories have either voted for a No Deal Brexit which they will own completely or in the next fortnight they are going to fall apart.Jonathan said:A good day in the office for May. Off she goes unicorn hunting.
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Ian Blackford making a right part of himself.0
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Blackford accuses the Tories of ripping apart the Good Friday Agreement but May must take measures to respect Commons vote against No Deal0
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I would tell him I’m busy.dr_spyn said:0 -
It would be possible to say Theresa May was the most hapless politician alive, if we had not frequent occasion to compare her to Jeremy Corbyn.dr_spyn said:
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Blackford really is a ***t
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Only in the sense that her P45 remains in draft.Big_G_NorthWales said:I am really surprised at tonights votes and it would be churlish to deny TM has had a good day
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Hmm, I wonder whether if May gives ground on negotiating the future relationship in talks with Labour whether that would be enough for Labour not to vote against the Deal?0
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She wants one of those priceless images of the 27 against the 1.rottenborough said:
She'll go anyway. Just for the TV pics.Beverley_C said:
Will she even get on the aircraft, or will the EU scupper it before she sits down in the Commons?Sandpit said:PM is going back to Brussels to try and renegotiate the backstop. Good luck Theresa!
She should take Boris with her - to hold one of those giant comedy cheques for £39,000,000,000.00
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39 votes Blackford lol0
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That was real money. The ECB had a substantial QE programme which has just ended, however EU funding is based on real money, it can't sell Euro denominated EU debt to the ECB which will pay for it with printed money. The effectiveness of the ECB QE programme hasn't been clear from the start, especially since many of the gains have been seen by Northern European nations rather than Southern European nations.viewcode said:
You know more about this than I do, but I remember the chaos around 2010-11 when they were just throwing institutions and funds together, all acronyms beginning with "E", to cope with the Greece not-a-default and associated shrapnel. I didn't know whether to be impressed or horrified.MaxPB said:
Hmm, it's quite a bit more difficult for the EU to do that.viewcode said:
Parenthetically, at this level money is meaningless. They own the bank. They can just inflate the Euro and let money illusion plug the gap.Sandpit said:
And they have 39 billion reasons to at least discuss if they want to regetotiate, or if they would prefer to have no deal, no backstop and no money.Brom said:
It's absolutely a realistic concession/renegotiation for the EU to make. If they won't even take another look at it then they're as complicit as the most awkward factions within parliament in allowing no deal to happen.TGOHF said:
It's up the the EU now - do they want a deal ?Gallowgate said:Trying to blame ‘no deal’ on remainers is just hilarious. Just utterly ridiculously laughable.
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Ticking off for Blackford by Bercow lol0
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They said they would make an official statement tonight, didn't they?Beverley_C said:
Will she even get on the aircraft, or will the EU scupper it before she sits down in the Commons?Sandpit said:PM is going back to Brussels to try and renegotiate the backstop. Good luck Theresa!
I wonder what it will say.0 -
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The ERG have played a blinder. Once Theresa is humiliated by the EU, Rees-Mogg, the sly old fox, can stand up and proclaim that he was right about everything: both the EU's intransigence and Theresa's ineptitude. What a man. That will do wonders for his standing and his career.0
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We are no dealing then aren’t we.Scott_P said:0 -
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That did not take long. Tessie is still in her seat in the HoCwilliamglenn said:
So... that is the Brady amendment dead too.
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No. May has promised so many people that it won't happen that it won't happen.FrancisUrquhart said:
We are no dealing then aren’t we.Scott_P said:0 -
Nigel Dodds full on attack against Blackford0
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No. May has promised so many people that it won't happen that it won't happen.FrancisUrquhart said:
We are no dealing then aren’t we.Scott_P said: x 10 0 -
I'd just like to point out that according to the legislation.gov.uk database, Section 1 of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act, which repeals the European Communities Act on "exit day", has not yet been commenced so it is not the law of the land that the ECA is to be repealed.
(Unless anyone can show that the database is not up to date.)
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Tusk throwing a wobbly! Tough shit mate, its deal or no deal (although Merkel will tell Tusk exactly what he can and cant do).0
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You are literally insane.Brom said:Tusk throwing a wobbly! Tough shit mate, its deal or no deal (although Merkel will tell Tusk exactly what he can and cant do).
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My favourite was New College JCR buying the freehold of the college and then swapping it for the contents of the SCR’s wine cellarydoethur said:
I think that's very unfair. Aberystwyth Students' Union did pass one good law, back in 1967.OblitusSumMe said:Commons in student union mode tonight, voting against bad stuff, but not voting to do anything about it.
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In 10 years time, we will be happy as an Associate Member of the EU. We will be joined by many other countries, loosely bound to the EU -- Switzerland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden.
There will be a tight core of Eurozone Countries, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, France. This will be the EU proper. And there will be a whole bunch of looser Associate Members.
The destination is clear -- all that remains to be decided is just how we get there.
Perhaps it has to be a painful No Deal, then a gradual rapprochement. Perhaps it has to be Remain for now, and then sulky, dog-in-the-manger disengagement.
In 10 years time, all that has happened tonight will be seen as unimportant froth and wind.
True, by then, WilliamGlenn, Meeks and Andrew Adonis will be gibbering in an asylum, driven mad by Brexit. And by then, SeanT will be using a Zimmer frame but still bragging about his latest shag.
Yet, the rest of the country will be content, at last, with a sustainable and comfortable relationship with the EU.0 -
Basically we have to go through this all again in mid February.0
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Deutsche Banker......Pulpstar said:39 votes Blackford lol
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Big move on Betfair from 4.8 to 3 on exiting by 29th March over the last couple of hours.
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The government voted against its own policy which it has repeatedly reiterated is the only option on the table.Big_G_NorthWales said:I am really surprised at tonights votes and it would be churlish to deny TM has had a good day
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MarqueeMark said:
She wants one of those priceless images of the 27 against the 1.rottenborough said:
She'll go anyway. Just for the TV pics.Beverley_C said:
Will she even get on the aircraft, or will the EU scupper it before she sits down in the Commons?Sandpit said:PM is going back to Brussels to try and renegotiate the backstop. Good luck Theresa!
She should take Boris with her - to hold one of those giant comedy cheques for £39,000,000,000.00
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Everything clear as mud as per sodding usual then0
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To be honest, I think it would be rewarding if I asked you to go thru the detail. There are many experts on here which it would be good to learn from. But unfortunately tonight is not a good time. But thank you for trying to explain it to me.MaxPB said:
That was real money. The ECB had a substantial QE programme which has just ended, however EU funding is based on real money, it can't sell Euro denominated EU debt to the ECB which will pay for it with printed money. The effectiveness of the ECB QE programme hasn't been clear from the start, especially since many of the gains have been seen by Northern European nations rather than Southern European nations.viewcode said:
You know more about this than I do, but I remember the chaos around 2010-11 when they were just throwing institutions and funds together, all acronyms beginning with "E", to cope with the Greece not-a-default and associated shrapnel. I didn't know whether to be impressed or horrified.MaxPB said:
Hmm, it's quite a bit more difficult for the EU to do that.viewcode said:
Parenthetically, at this level money is meaningless. They own the bank. They can just inflate the Euro and let money illusion plug the gap.Sandpit said:
And they have 39 billion reasons to at least discuss if they want to regetotiate, or if they would prefer to have no deal, no backstop and no money.Brom said:
It's absolutely a realistic concession/renegotiation for the EU to make. If they won't even take another look at it then they're as complicit as the most awkward factions within parliament in allowing no deal to happen.TGOHF said:
It's up the the EU now - do they want a deal ?Gallowgate said:Trying to blame ‘no deal’ on remainers is just hilarious. Just utterly ridiculously laughable.
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Says the people's vote supporter who's had a nightmare day. Nevermind.Gallowgate said:
You are literally insane.Brom said:Tusk throwing a wobbly! Tough shit mate, its deal or no deal (although Merkel will tell Tusk exactly what he can and cant do).
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Powdered milk i assume?Sandpit said:
In 1996 they voted to ban KitKats from being sold in the Union’s shop. That takes some beating.ydoethur said:
I think that's very unfair. Aberystwyth Students' Union did pass one good law, back in 1967.OblitusSumMe said:Commons in student union mode tonight, voting against bad stuff, but not voting to do anything about it.
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PM to stand up next week and announce it’s her original deal or no deal then?williamglenn said:0 -
I think nfl red zone still edges it on the excitement stakes.IanB2 said:Basically we have to go through this all again in mid February.
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I’m not a supporter of a people’s vote as it would just be full of half truths and lies once more. I want parliament to just revoke Article 50 and be done with it.Brom said:
Says the people's vote supporter who's had a nightmare day. Nevermind.Gallowgate said:
You are literally insane.Brom said:Tusk throwing a wobbly! Tough shit mate, its deal or no deal (although Merkel will tell Tusk exactly what he can and cant do).
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Jezza wants it and the EU want to punish us..........FrancisUrquhart said:
We are no dealing then aren’t we.Scott_P said:
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Indeed.Charles said:
Powdered milk i assume?Sandpit said:
In 1996 they voted to ban KitKats from being sold in the Union’s shop. That takes some beating.ydoethur said:
I think that's very unfair. Aberystwyth Students' Union did pass one good law, back in 1967.OblitusSumMe said:Commons in student union mode tonight, voting against bad stuff, but not voting to do anything about it.
My first introduction to petty student politics.0 -
3 Labour MPs voted for No Deal, Hoey, Stringer and Hepburn and Independent ex Labour MPs Field and Hopkins.
17 Tories though voted for the Spelman amendment against No Deal
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Terrible day for Theresa. The humiliation of grovelling to the EU for a second chance in the fully knowledge that it's already doomed will be agonizing. When will Boris start measuring up the Number Ten curtains?0
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They'll no deal. Unfortunate. But they are even more stubborn than we are, even to the point of causing what they claim not to want. Because they could reopen things if they wanted, everyone knows the EU loves last minute fudges. It's a choice not to.Perhaps reasonable, but their reasoning has been pretty weak, especially when they complain about it being agreed. It wasn't agreed by Parliament and they know that.Brom said:Tusk throwing a wobbly! Tough shit mate, its deal or no deal (although Merkel will tell Tusk exactly what he can and cant do).
But at what point will MPs believe the EU? May told them they won't reopen things and they didn't believe it.0 -
One imagines, however, I think they will meet with her at least and tell her no in person.Sandpit said:
PM to stand up next week and announce it’s her original deal or no deal then?williamglenn said:0 -
As easy as that?rottenborough said:0 -
You forget to take Nigel's retirement pension off the figure.Philip_Thompson said:MarqueeMark said:
She wants one of those priceless images of the 27 against the 1.rottenborough said:
She'll go anyway. Just for the TV pics.Beverley_C said:
Will she even get on the aircraft, or will the EU scupper it before she sits down in the Commons?Sandpit said:PM is going back to Brussels to try and renegotiate the backstop. Good luck Theresa!
She should take Boris with her - to hold one of those giant comedy cheques for £39,000,000,000.00
"Let's look at what you could have won..."
There is no way he is missing out on EU largesse.0 -
Yes revoke Article 50 and that will be done with it. That's not a solution to a problem, that's just pure unicorn stuff by people who never leave their bedroom.Gallowgate said:
I’m not a supporter of a people’s vote as it would just be full of half truths and lies once more. I want parliament to just revoke Article 50 and be done with it.Brom said:
Says the people's vote supporter who's had a nightmare day. Nevermind.Gallowgate said:
You are literally insane.Brom said:Tusk throwing a wobbly! Tough shit mate, its deal or no deal (although Merkel will tell Tusk exactly what he can and cant do).
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Right...Brom said:
Yes revoke Article 50 and that will be done with it. That's not a solution to a problem, that's just pure unicorn stuff by people who never leave their bedroom.Gallowgate said:
I’m not a supporter of a people’s vote as it would just be full of half truths and lies once more. I want parliament to just revoke Article 50 and be done with it.Brom said:
Says the people's vote supporter who's had a nightmare day. Nevermind.Gallowgate said:
You are literally insane.Brom said:Tusk throwing a wobbly! Tough shit mate, its deal or no deal (although Merkel will tell Tusk exactly what he can and cant do).
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If you say that in a Gollum voice, it fits...Floater said:
Jezza wants it and the EU want to punish us..........FrancisUrquhart said:
We are no dealing then aren’t we.Scott_P said:
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I really don't understand why they simultaneously ask us what we want, given we all know it is deal or nothing. There's nothing to talk about.Scott_P said:0 -
The government has finally chosen to do what I've consistently called for since November. It's the only sane choice.Alistair said:
The government voted against its own policy which it has repeatedly reiterated is the only option on the table.Big_G_NorthWales said:I am really surprised at tonights votes and it would be churlish to deny TM has had a good day
The EU will be pissed off but they now face a real choice. If they want a deal then lets get a proper compromise which is what should have been agreed originally. If they don't then for the first time I think No Deal could happen and it will be entirely their fault and not May's.0 -
The Tories are either going to deliver us a No Deal or they are going to split.Stark_Dawning said:Terrible day for Theresa. The humiliation of grovelling to the EU for a second chance in the fully knowledge that it's already doomed will be agonizing. When will Boris start measuring up the Number Ten curtains?
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Umm Brittany hasn’t been affiliated to Britain for a while now?Anorak said:
I'm up for starting a remainer enclave in Brittany. Any takers? We'll secede from the UK as soon as poss, natch.El_Capitano said:Frankly I hope Europe tells “us” to piss off.
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You are Robert Tombs and I claim my five pounds (sterling obviously).YBarddCwsc said:In 10 years time, we will be happy as an Associate Member of the EU. We will be joined by many other countries, loosely bound to the EU -- Switzerland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden.
There will be a tight core of Eurozone Countries, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, France. This will be the EU proper. And there will be a whole bunch of looser Associate Members.
The destination is clear -- all that remains to be decided is just how we get there.
Perhaps it has to be a painful No Deal, then a gradual rapprochement. Perhaps it has to be Remain for now, and then sulky, dog-in-the-manger disengagement.
In 10 years time, all that has happened tonight will be seen as unimportant froth and wind.
True, by then, WilliamGlenn, Meeks and Andrew Adonis will be gibbering in an asylum, driven mad by Brexit. And by then, SeanT will be using a Zimmer frame but still bragging about his latest shag.
Yet, the rest of the country will be content, at last, with a sustainable and comfortable relationship with the EU.0 -
How ? Please explain to me and everyone else how the Prime Minister has had a "good day"?Big_G_NorthWales said:I am really surprised at tonights votes and it would be churlish to deny TM has had a good day
The Spelman amendment is meaningless and Brady little better. The EU have made their position abundantly clear this evening - the WA is not open for re-negotiation. We know that with some unspecified "changes" (basically getting rid of) the backstop the WA would pass - yes, that's not the WA on offer right now.
All I can see now is the Conservative spin machine getting ready to blame the nasty Europeans when May is sent back from Brussels with a flea in her ear having got the sum total of bugger all.0 -
Some spin there. Alastair Campbell could offer you a job. Renegotiation will be harder, but losing the Brady job will have left things looking twice as hard. As much as I dislike her, May has had a very good day. Corbyn blinking has capped it off.Stark_Dawning said:Terrible day for Theresa. The humiliation of grovelling to the EU for a second chance in the fully knowledge that it's already doomed will be agonizing. When will Boris start measuring up the Number Ten curtains?
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Can you blame them?Charles said:
Umm Brittany hasn’t been affiliated to Britain for a while now?Anorak said:
I'm up for starting a remainer enclave in Brittany. Any takers? We'll secede from the UK as soon as poss, natch.El_Capitano said:Frankly I hope Europe tells “us” to piss off.
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LOL - the peoples vote was never a runner.williamglenn said:
Many of the People's Vote people think they need to let the pressure build so it's logical to avoid an extension at this stage.Brom said:Surprised to see Jo Johnson didn't vote for Cooper's amendment. That's a bit of a blow to the People's Vote campaign.
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A good day for May actually as Parliament has voted down Grieve's amendment for any alternative Brexit proposals or potentially EU ref2, as well as voting down Cooper's amendment to extend Article 50 while voting for Spelman's amendment rejecting No Deal.Stark_Dawning said:Terrible day for Theresa. The humiliation of grovelling to the EU for a second chance in the fully knowledge that it's already doomed will be agonizing. When will Boris start measuring up the Number Ten curtains?
That leaves May's Deal as the only solution still left, if Brady's no backstop amendment is rejected by the EU that will prove the best way to avoid No Deal is to back May's Deal as stands0 -
Yep. It was a good day for her in the sense the government won most of the votes, which was not certain by any means, but it hasn't actually moved toward a deal at all.stodge said:
How ? Please explain to me and everyone else how the Prime Minister has had a "good day"?Big_G_NorthWales said:I am really surprised at tonights votes and it would be churlish to deny TM has had a good day
The Spelman amendment is meaningless and Brady little better. The EU have made their position abundantly clear this evening - the WA is not open for re-negotiation. We know that with some unspecified "changes" (basically getting rid of) the backstop the WA would pass - yes, that's not the WA on offer right now.
All I can see now is the Conservative spin machine getting ready to blame the nasty Europeans when May is sent back from Brussels with a flea in her ear having got the sum total of bugger all.0 -
Clever stuff from Brady though - this was all about securing No Deal, but plenty of simple souls were duped into thinking it might help Theresa. In fact it was the knife that finally finished her off.HYUFD said:0 -
In which case the public will rightly blame EU intransigence for there being no deal. Good.stodge said:
How ? Please explain to me and everyone else how the Prime Minister has had a "good day"?Big_G_NorthWales said:I am really surprised at tonights votes and it would be churlish to deny TM has had a good day
The Spelman amendment is meaningless and Brady little better. The EU have made their position abundantly clear this evening - the WA is not open for re-negotiation. We know that with some unspecified "changes" (basically getting rid of) the backstop the WA would pass - yes, that's not the WA on offer right now.
All I can see now is the Conservative spin machine getting ready to blame the nasty Europeans when May is sent back from Brussels with a flea in her ear having got the sum total of bugger all.
Or the EU sees sense and blinks. Good.
Either way: good.0 -
Brittany is the only example of a successful Welsh colony.Charles said:
Umm Brittany hasn’t been affiliated to Britain for a while now?Anorak said:
I'm up for starting a remainer enclave in Brittany. Any takers? We'll secede from the UK as soon as poss, natch.El_Capitano said:Frankly I hope Europe tells “us” to piss off.
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Rule One: the government is to blame.Philip_Thompson said:
In which case the public will rightly blame EU intransigence for there being no deal. Good.stodge said:
How ? Please explain to me and everyone else how the Prime Minister has had a "good day"?Big_G_NorthWales said:I am really surprised at tonights votes and it would be churlish to deny TM has had a good day
The Spelman amendment is meaningless and Brady little better. The EU have made their position abundantly clear this evening - the WA is not open for re-negotiation. We know that with some unspecified "changes" (basically getting rid of) the backstop the WA would pass - yes, that's not the WA on offer right now.
All I can see now is the Conservative spin machine getting ready to blame the nasty Europeans when May is sent back from Brussels with a flea in her ear having got the sum total of bugger all.
Or the EU sees sense and blinks. Good.
Either way: good.0 -
And the Tories split. From here it’s that or No Deal.HYUFD said:
A good day for May actually as Parliament has voted down Grieve's amendment for any alternative Brexit proposals or potentially EU ref2, as well as voting down Cooper's amendment to extend Article 50 while voting for Spelman's amendment rejecting No Deal.Stark_Dawning said:Terrible day for Theresa. The humiliation of grovelling to the EU for a second chance in the fully knowledge that it's already doomed will be agonizing. When will Boris start measuring up the Number Ten curtains?
That leaves May's Deal as the only solution still left, if Brady's no backstop amendment is rejected that will prove the best way to avoid No Deal is to back May's Deal as stands
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Corbyn spoke of a "decisive" rejection of "no deal": the margin on the Spelman amdt was 2 votes
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That would be truly Pyrrhic.Stark_Dawning said:Terrible day for Theresa. The humiliation of grovelling to the EU for a second chance in the fully knowledge that it's already doomed will be agonizing. When will Boris start measuring up the Number Ten curtains?
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I always felt sorry for Nestle - it wasn’t their fault the water was contaminatedSandpit said:
Indeed.Charles said:
Powdered milk i assume?Sandpit said:
In 1996 they voted to ban KitKats from being sold in the Union’s shop. That takes some beating.ydoethur said:
I think that's very unfair. Aberystwyth Students' Union did pass one good law, back in 1967.OblitusSumMe said:Commons in student union mode tonight, voting against bad stuff, but not voting to do anything about it.
My first introduction to petty student politics.0 -
That's a Darien statement.YBarddCwsc said:
Brittany is the only example of a successful Welsh colony.Charles said:
Umm Brittany hasn’t been affiliated to Britain for a while now?Anorak said:
I'm up for starting a remainer enclave in Brittany. Any takers? We'll secede from the UK as soon as poss, natch.El_Capitano said:Frankly I hope Europe tells “us” to piss off.
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They should swap the backstop with reentry.0
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Patagonia is on the phone. They'd like a word...YBarddCwsc said:
Brittany is the only example of a successful Welsh colony.Charles said:
Umm Brittany hasn’t been affiliated to Britain for a while now?Anorak said:
I'm up for starting a remainer enclave in Brittany. Any takers? We'll secede from the UK as soon as poss, natch.El_Capitano said:Frankly I hope Europe tells “us” to piss off.
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I can't help thinking one of the words there is wrong.Philip_Thompson said:In which case the public will rightly blame EU intransigence for there being no deal. Good.
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Half of it's owned by Ex-pats. We'll just put a fence around that bit it.Charles said:
Umm Brittany hasn’t been affiliated to Britain for a while now?Anorak said:
I'm up for starting a remainer enclave in Brittany. Any takers? We'll secede from the UK as soon as poss, natch.El_Capitano said:Frankly I hope Europe tells “us” to piss off.
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stodge said:
How ? Please explain to me and everyone else how the Prime Minister has had a "good day"?Big_G_NorthWales said:I am really surprised at tonights votes and it would be churlish to deny TM has had a good day
The Spelman amendment is meaningless and Brady little better. The EU have made their position abundantly clear this evening - the WA is not open for re-negotiation. We know that with some unspecified "changes" (basically getting rid of) the backstop the WA would pass - yes, that's not the WA on offer right now.
All I can see now is the Conservative spin machine getting ready to blame the nasty Europeans when May is sent back from Brussels with a flea in her ear having got the sum total of bugger all.
It's a good day for May, because the Commons has begun taking decisions. It has closed off Remain as an option, and earlier closed off a second referendum.stodge said:
How ? Please explain to me and everyone else how the Prime Minister has had a "good day"?Big_G_NorthWales said:I am really surprised at tonights votes and it would be churlish to deny TM has had a good day
The Spelman amendment is meaningless and Brady little better. The EU have made their position abundantly clear this evening - the WA is not open for re-negotiation. We know that with some unspecified "changes" (basically getting rid of) the backstop the WA would pass - yes, that's not the WA on offer right now.
All I can see now is the Conservative spin machine getting ready to blame the nasty Europeans when May is sent back from Brussels with a flea in her ear having got the sum total of bugger all.0 -
Why should we believe it? As you said these fudges always happen at the last minute so why should this time be any different?kle4 said:
They'll no deal. Unfortunate. But they are even more stubborn than we are, even to the point of causing what they claim not to want. Because they could reopen things if they wanted, everyone knows the EU loves last minute fudges. It's a choice not to.Perhaps reasonable, but their reasoning has been pretty weak, especially when they complain about it being agreed. It wasn't agreed by Parliament and they know that.Brom said:Tusk throwing a wobbly! Tough shit mate, its deal or no deal (although Merkel will tell Tusk exactly what he can and cant do).
But at what point will MPs believe the EU? May told them they won't reopen things and they didn't believe it.0 -
Y Wladfa was a colony, but it was not successful.viewcode said:
Patagonia is on the phone. They'd like a word...YBarddCwsc said:
Brittany is the only example of a successful Welsh colony.Charles said:
Umm Brittany hasn’t been affiliated to Britain for a while now?Anorak said:
I'm up for starting a remainer enclave in Brittany. Any takers? We'll secede from the UK as soon as poss, natch.El_Capitano said:Frankly I hope Europe tells “us” to piss off.
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Not much of a split though. 15 MPs at most, but more likely 5 or less. It may or may not eventually be chronicled that tonight was the night that set the Conservatives on the way to electoral oblivion, but the Brady amendment proves they’re all willing to go down with the ship.SouthamObserver said:
And the Tories split. From here it’s that or No Deal.HYUFD said:
A good day for May actually as Parliament has voted down Grieve's amendment for any alternative Brexit proposals or potentially EU ref2, as well as voting down Cooper's amendment to extend Article 50 while voting for Spelman's amendment rejecting No Deal.Stark_Dawning said:Terrible day for Theresa. The humiliation of grovelling to the EU for a second chance in the fully knowledge that it's already doomed will be agonizing. When will Boris start measuring up the Number Ten curtains?
That leaves May's Deal as the only solution still left, if Brady's no backstop amendment is rejected that will prove the best way to avoid No Deal is to back May's Deal as stands0 -
Evening PB,
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Clever and Brady should only be seen in the same sentence if the only other options were Gapes and Socialism or May and Strong/StableStark_Dawning said:
Clever stuff from Brady though - this was all about securing No Deal, but plenty of simple souls were duped into thinking it might help Theresa. In fact it was the knife that finally finished her off.HYUFD said:
Oh or Hodges and pundit0 -
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Backstop Shmackstop. Wise up folks. Labour and the ERG will vote down whatever Theresa comes back with, even in the unlikely event of the EU revisiting things. The No Dealers have victory within their grasp.0
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How are the EU being intransigent? It's not their problem our Prime Minister can't get the deal she agreed to through her own Parliament.Philip_Thompson said:
In which case the public will rightly blame EU intransigence for there being no deal. Good.
Or the EU sees sense and blinks. Good.
Either way: good.
No doubt we're going to be subjected to the usual anti-European vitriol from the usual suspects if we leave without a Deal in 60 or so days.
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