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It needs intervention before breakfast, lunch and dinner.another_richard said:
(c) Michael Heseltine.
As practised by pre-1979 One Nation Tories and Old Labour.
Sod this 40 years of nonsense that 'the market will provide'. Look at the housing crisis, for one.0 -
Marta Vokshi @marta_vokshi
Date when Brexit negotiations start is now "unclear" says @ManfredWeber chair of Merkel's allied CSU
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She visited the borders and several other seats the Tories wonAlistair said:
May visited Edinburgh North and Leith and Edinburgh South West.HYUFD said:
Not quite, the Tories won Middlesbrough and Mansfield and every Scottish seat May visitedThe_Apocalypse said:
LOL it's hilarious that everytime the public was exposed to her more her ratings crashed. All the marginal constituencies she visited rejected her party LMAOGideonWise said:Theresa hanging around would lead to her ratings plummeting into Francois Hollande territory.
She could also take the Tories with her.
She needs to to go.
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Mr Glenn, you may well be vindicated. Can't say I'm unhappy.williamglenn said:If the DUP won't countenance special status for Northern Ireland in the EU, and they won't countenance a hard border with Ireland, then the cost of a deal will have to be that we forget any idea of leaving the single market and customs union.
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Including NI, that would still be the highest Tory voteshare since 1987Alistair said:
Currently on 42.4%HYUFD said:
She still got 44% of the vote, election stats nerds will record that as the best since Blair even though Corbyn made the biggest gainseek said:
She has been a total disaster. For the next 40 years she will be remembered. After that she'll just be a short footnote in the post EU history of the UK...Lucian_Fletcher said:There's a real danger Labour's new voters don't realise they haven't actually won. The other danger is May not realising she's got no way back. She will go down in history as the PM who ended her own career totally unnecessarily and so suddenly. If history even remembers her
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Davidson hates Boris, who is actively harmful to the UK's interests.HYUFD said:
If you think Osborne is the answer to stopping Corbyn you are asking the wrong question, Boris and Davidson are who the party needs, the electorate voted as much against continued austerity as May's social care plansTheScreamingEagles said:Actually I support Theresa May continuing as PM/Tory leader.
Gives George time to find a seat and become an MP and fulfill his destiny to be Prime Minister
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People said the same about Corbyn, people want charisma and populism at the momentJosiasJessop said:
God no, not Boris.HYUFD said:
If you think Osborne is the answer to stopping Corbyn you are asking the wrong question, Boris and Davidson are who the party needs, the electorate voted as much against continued austerity as May's social care plansTheScreamingEagles said:Actually I support Theresa May continuing as PM/Tory leader.
Gives George time to find a seat and become an MP and fulfill his destiny to be Prime Minister
People don't want the b-team's underperforming jester.0 -
I'm a bit sceptical about the idea that youth turnout was the crucial factor. The most accurate projection was the big YouGov model, and that was based on turnout in 2010 and 2015.0
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I congratulate the Labour and LD supporters on a great campaign and a great night. I am sure you are having fun right now.
However, one thing seems to be overlooked. When the sun rises tomorrow, there will be a Tory Government.0 -
They want more investment in public services but they don't want to pay more tax to fund it.Slackbladder said:The demand from the public is pretty clear that they now want more investment in public services. If the tories don't do that, and they can, then labour will.
Better for the tories to do responsibly than labour to do it and wreck the economy.
They want cheap houses to buy and expensive houses to inherit.
They want no student fees and energy and transport subsidised.0 -
The German election is in September which gives plenty of time for a Conservative leadership election.Slackbladder said:Marta Vokshi @marta_vokshi
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Line 7 "my jaw still hurting" perhaps? Two "lefts" doesn't really workDura_Ace said:
Seemed a harmless little fuckAlastairMeeks said:I see skies of blue and clouds of white
The bright blessed day, the dark sacred night
And I think to myself what a wonderful world.
But we unleashed a lion
Gnashed his teeth
And bit the recessed lady's breast
How could I forget
He hit me with a surprise left
My jaw left hurting
Dropped wide open
Just like the day
Like the day I heard
Daddy didn't give affection
And the boy was something mommy wouldn't wear
King Jeremy the wicked
Ruled his world
Jeremy spoke in class today
Jeremy spoke in class today
Otherwise very good.0 -
Offer strong and stable leadership with a long term economic plan.another_richard said:
And what does he do as PM ?TheScreamingEagles said:Actually I support Theresa May continuing as PM/Tory leader.
Gives George time to find a seat and become an MP and fulfill his destiny to be Prime Minister
Increase student fees ?
Increase house prices ?
Borrow more money to spend on vanity projects ?
I've asked this of Osborne fans multiple times and I've never received an answer.
So what would PM George Osborne do differently ?0 -
Okay, a couple of hours' sleep, and it till doesn't look any better.
Seven Shinners and the Speaker mean the target is only 322, so she's six short. Ten DUP probably sees her over the line. Hopefully.0 -
At one stage Dimbleby made a plea for the Greens. Half a million votes and only one MP. Oh the infamy of it all! Think of the fuss if they'd polled eight times as many.0
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Yes they want socialism. So do they get Tory-lite socialism or the real deal.another_richard said:
They want more investment in public services but they don't want to pay more tax to fund it.Slackbladder said:The demand from the public is pretty clear that they now want more investment in public services. If the tories don't do that, and they can, then labour will.
Better for the tories to do responsibly than labour to do it and wreck the economy.
They want cheap houses to buy and expensive houses to inherit.
They want no student fees and energy and transport subsidised.0 -
Drop HS2 and redeploy capital spending? Cut back on DfID to increase NHS spending and education.Slackbladder said:The demand from the public is pretty clear that they now want more investment in public services. If the tories don't do that, and they can, then labour will.
Better for the tories to do responsibly than labour to do it and wreck the economy.0 -
LOLTheScreamingEagles said:
Offer strong and stable leadership with a long term economic plan.another_richard said:
And what does he do as PM ?TheScreamingEagles said:Actually I support Theresa May continuing as PM/Tory leader.
Gives George time to find a seat and become an MP and fulfill his destiny to be Prime Minister
Increase student fees ?
Increase house prices ?
Borrow more money to spend on vanity projects ?
I've asked this of Osborne fans multiple times and I've never received an answer.
So what would PM George Osborne do differently ?
well that would be a first
he didnt do it when in government0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
Offer strong and stable leadership with a long term economic plan.another_richard said:
And what does he do as PM ?TheScreamingEagles said:Actually I support Theresa May continuing as PM/Tory leader.
Gives George time to find a seat and become an MP and fulfill his destiny to be Prime Minister
Increase student fees ?
Increase house prices ?
Borrow more money to spend on vanity projects ?
I've asked this of Osborne fans multiple times and I've never received an answer.
So what would PM George Osborne do differently ?
If you make the election about yourself, and use the words "strong and stable", then you actually have to be strong and stable.
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Clearly you were not alone.dyedwoolie said:I'm absolutely furious this morning lol.
I'm for taking down the establishment and watching it burn. Arse holes0 -
AndreaParma_82 said:
Will Kensington go on with recounts after recounts until next GE?
Is Tower Hamlets feeling jealous because we aren't waiting for them this time? 0 -
This result means it's impossible for anyone to govern unless Sinn Fein takes their seats doesn't it?0
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So, what are the Blairites thinking on this sunny Friday post-election morning?
"Aw....bugger......"?0 -
I agree. Protect the police, education, social care budgets. This was as much to do about austerity as it was about REMAINER anger. We need to do this or Labour will go mad again when they control the levers.Slackbladder said:The demand from the public is pretty clear that they now want more investment in public services. If the tories don't do that, and they can, then labour will.
Better for the tories to do responsibly than labour to do it and wreck the economy.
I posted a comment a few days ago about long shots that could come off: I suggested ayr, my prediction was: Actual was
Tory 40 40
SNP 38 35
Labour 21 24
Really annoyed I didn't put a coule of quid on that, others who knew it better said they were looking for a Tory GAIN in Aryshire but couldn't make it work, should of gone with my gut! DAMN......ah well. Well done Casino_Royale for his 14/1 that he got on this.0 -
What a rich irony for the Prime Minister.
Her position is shored up by the gay Ruth Davidson's Scottish Tories whilst her coalition of chaos relies on the homophobic DUP.0 -
The voters have just underlined once again their dissatisfaction with the existing economic settlement. All the issues that Mrs May professed to understand and promised to address on the steps of Downing Street. Whatever and whoever comes next will have to make a serious attempt to address this agenda.TheScreamingEagles said:
Offer strong and stable leadership with a long term economic plan.another_richard said:
And what does he do as PM ?TheScreamingEagles said:Actually I support Theresa May continuing as PM/Tory leader.
Gives George time to find a seat and become an MP and fulfill his destiny to be Prime Minister
Increase student fees ?
Increase house prices ?
Borrow more money to spend on vanity projects ?
I've asked this of Osborne fans multiple times and I've never received an answer.
So what would PM George Osborne do differently ?0 -
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Has she gone yet? Anybody?0
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But does she really have any choice? If she resigned, it would take months to elect a new Conservative leader. Wouldn't the Queen have to ask Corbyn to try to form a government in those circumstances?SandyRentool said:A new dawn has broken, has it not?
It looks like May has handcuffed herself to a radiator inside No. 10. Time to go Tezzie.0 -
He did, that's why the Tories increased their share of the vote and MPs in 2015.Alanbrooke said:
LOLTheScreamingEagles said:
Offer strong and stable leadership with a long term economic plan.another_richard said:
And what does he do as PM ?TheScreamingEagles said:Actually I support Theresa May continuing as PM/Tory leader.
Gives George time to find a seat and become an MP and fulfill his destiny to be Prime Minister
Increase student fees ?
Increase house prices ?
Borrow more money to spend on vanity projects ?
I've asked this of Osborne fans multiple times and I've never received an answer.
So what would PM George Osborne do differently ?
well that would be a first
he didnt do it when in government0 -
Assuming if May stays, senior tories will make it a condition that the useless fiona hill and nick Timothy leave0
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So you can't think of anything - nor could MaxPB and others.TheScreamingEagles said:
Offer strong and stable leadership with a long term economic plan.another_richard said:
And what does he do as PM ?TheScreamingEagles said:Actually I support Theresa May continuing as PM/Tory leader.
Gives George time to find a seat and become an MP and fulfill his destiny to be Prime Minister
Increase student fees ?
Increase house prices ?
Borrow more money to spend on vanity projects ?
I've asked this of Osborne fans multiple times and I've never received an answer.
So what would PM George Osborne do differently ?
For that matter neither can I.
We've reached the stage where the magic money trees are running out of leaves while the voters say "we want more and we want it now".0 -
No there won't. Coalition with a Party who aren't sure dinosaurs existed at best.archer101au said:I congratulate the Labour and LD supporters on a great campaign and a great night. I am sure you are having fun right now.
However, one thing seems to be overlooked. When the sun rises tomorrow, there will be a Tory Government.0 -
They can and will have to work together, both are pragmatistsSouthamObserver said:
Davidson hates Boris, who is actively harmful to the UK's interests.HYUFD said:
If you think Osborne is the answer to stopping Corbyn you are asking the wrong question, Boris and Davidson are who the party needs, the electorate voted as much against continued austerity as May's social care plansTheScreamingEagles said:Actually I support Theresa May continuing as PM/Tory leader.
Gives George time to find a seat and become an MP and fulfill his destiny to be Prime Minister0 -
I'll pass your comments on to Eddie Vedder who wrote it!Charles said:
Line 7 "my jaw still hurting" perhaps? Two "lefts" doesn't really workDura_Ace said:
Seemed a harmless little fuckAlastairMeeks said:I see skies of blue and clouds of white
The bright blessed day, the dark sacred night
And I think to myself what a wonderful world.
But we unleashed a lion
Gnashed his teeth
And bit the recessed lady's breast
How could I forget
He hit me with a surprise left
My jaw left hurting
Dropped wide open
Just like the day
Like the day I heard
Daddy didn't give affection
And the boy was something mommy wouldn't wear
King Jeremy the wicked
Ruled his world
Jeremy spoke in class today
Jeremy spoke in class today
Otherwise very good.
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I've just heard John McDonnell on the BBC, basically saying Labour can form a minority government without making any formal deals with other parties, an option he firmly ruled out.
He said they'd write a Queen's speech enacting the Labour manifesto, which he thought would get majority support in the Commons. He asked who'd dare vote against abolishing tuition fees.
If Labour do try that approach, it will be a fiasco, and another election will look likely. The question then will be who voters blame for the mess.0 -
I wonder how many former Tory MPs would still be MPs this morning if they had followed Kevin Foster's example in Torbay - and donated the increase in their MP's salary to charities in their constituency? It worked wonders with waverers on the doorstep....0
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If you included all benefits etc paid to asylum seekers and refugees in the DfID budget you could cut it and still claim the 0.7% figure or whatever it is. and I've never liked HS2.Charles said:
Drop HS2 and redeploy capital spending? Cut back on DfID to increase NHS spending and education.Slackbladder said:The demand from the public is pretty clear that they now want more investment in public services. If the tories don't do that, and they can, then labour will.
Better for the tories to do responsibly than labour to do it and wreck the economy.0 -
Con hold Cornwall SE.0
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No, they will make a condition that they can perform a penectomy on Nick Timothy too.Razedabode said:Assuming if May stays, senior tories will make it a condition that the useless fiona hill and nick Timothy leave
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Corbyn has hovered up the dispossessed vote.The_Apocalypse said:Let's talk about this:
https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/873081902558699520
If he had promised to write off all student debt he would have got even more votes.0 -
Actually I'm writing a thread on what Osborne could do for Sunday.another_richard said:
So you can't think of anything - nor could MaxPB and others.TheScreamingEagles said:
Offer strong and stable leadership with a long term economic plan.another_richard said:
And what does he do as PM ?TheScreamingEagles said:Actually I support Theresa May continuing as PM/Tory leader.
Gives George time to find a seat and become an MP and fulfill his destiny to be Prime Minister
Increase student fees ?
Increase house prices ?
Borrow more money to spend on vanity projects ?
I've asked this of Osborne fans multiple times and I've never received an answer.
So what would PM George Osborne do differently ?
For that matter neither can I.
We've reached the stage where the magic money trees are running out of leaves while the voters say "we want more and we want it now".0 -
No he bribed older voters, that's an economic policy of sorts but not the one we needTheScreamingEagles said:
He did, that's why the Tories increased their share of the vote and MPs in 2015.Alanbrooke said:
LOLTheScreamingEagles said:
Offer strong and stable leadership with a long term economic plan.another_richard said:
And what does he do as PM ?TheScreamingEagles said:Actually I support Theresa May continuing as PM/Tory leader.
Gives George time to find a seat and become an MP and fulfill his destiny to be Prime Minister
Increase student fees ?
Increase house prices ?
Borrow more money to spend on vanity projects ?
I've asked this of Osborne fans multiple times and I've never received an answer.
So what would PM George Osborne do differently ?
well that would be a first
he didnt do it when in government
Then he helped lose a referendum in 2016 which why we are where we are so not so stable0 -
Apparently Davies pushed hardest for an election and isn't popular with his cabinet colleagues. Big takeaway from this result is that the Conservative tack to UKIP has failed tactically. I am as surprised as anyone by that. Too many Kippers went Labour. UKIP are dead as a party, so there's no point pandering to them anymore. The centre ground is where the Tories need to be.0
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No.Chris said:
But does she really have any choice? If she resigned, it would take months to elect a new Conservative leader. Wouldn't the Queen have to ask Corbyn to try to form a government in those circumstances?SandyRentool said:A new dawn has broken, has it not?
It looks like May has handcuffed herself to a radiator inside No. 10. Time to go Tezzie.
Cameron remained PM whilst Con chose new leader.
May could do the same.
But difference is the increased instability this time - some leadership candidates might say they want another GE.
So May should remain party leader at least in short run to let things settle down.0 -
A fiasco? Not strong and stable government you reckon?Robert_Of_Sheffield said:I've just heard John McDonnell on the BBC, basically saying Labour can form a minority government without making any formal deals with other parties, an option he firmly ruled out.
He said they'd write a Queen's speech enacting the Labour manifesto, which he thought would get majority support in the Commons. He asked who'd dare vote against abolishing tuition fees.
If Labour do try that approach, it will be a fiasco, and another election will look likely. The question then will be who voters blame for the mess.0 -
Brexit was a huge factor - massive difference in the swing to Labour in Remain vs Leave seatsCD13 said:For the first time in a GE, I was a NOTA, although I didn't expect it to come to pass. Juncker will be pleased and the EU will ensure it is either a hard Brexit, or a Brexit in name only.
Had Brexit been the largest factor, the LDs would have done much better. A combination of The Grey Mist's incompetence combined with that 'manifesto', Jezza being on his best behaviour, and a lovely bribe to the young (nearly half go to university) has changed things dramatically.
The Tories need a new face, preferably a young one, to contrast with Jezza. I don't know the Tory party well enough to guess, but I think Mr Eagles' mate has burned his bridges .0 -
1924.Robert_Of_Sheffield said:I've just heard John McDonnell on the BBC, basically saying Labour can form a minority government without making any formal deals with other parties, an option he firmly ruled out.
He said they'd write a Queen's speech enacting the Labour manifesto, which he thought would get majority support in the Commons. He asked who'd dare vote against abolishing tuition fees.
If Labour do try that approach, it will be a fiasco, and another election will look likely. The question then will be who voters blame for the mess.0 -
LOL McDonnell on the BBC AGAIN0
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Be careful whn allocating blame. Remember it was Lynton Crosby who directed this unremittingly negative campaign and insisted on the Strong and Stable strapline that became a punchline.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, they will make a condition that they can perform a penectomy on Nick Timothy too.Razedabode said:Assuming if May stays, senior tories will make it a condition that the useless fiona hill and nick Timothy leave
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Cameron stayed on as interim PM after resigning as Conservative leader.Chris said:
But does she really have any choice? If she resigned, it would take months to elect a new Conservative leader. Wouldn't the Queen have to ask Corbyn to try to form a government in those circumstances?SandyRentool said:A new dawn has broken, has it not?
It looks like May has handcuffed herself to a radiator inside No. 10. Time to go Tezzie.0 -
If he took charge now he would be starting from a point where the national debt is £700bn higher, student debt higher and house prices higher than they were when he took charge in 2010.TheScreamingEagles said:
Actually I'm writing a thread on what Osborne could do for Sunday.another_richard said:
So you can't think of anything - nor could MaxPB and others.TheScreamingEagles said:
Offer strong and stable leadership with a long term economic plan.another_richard said:
And what does he do as PM ?TheScreamingEagles said:Actually I support Theresa May continuing as PM/Tory leader.
Gives George time to find a seat and become an MP and fulfill his destiny to be Prime Minister
Increase student fees ?
Increase house prices ?
Borrow more money to spend on vanity projects ?
I've asked this of Osborne fans multiple times and I've never received an answer.
So what would PM George Osborne do differently ?
For that matter neither can I.
We've reached the stage where the magic money trees are running out of leaves while the voters say "we want more and we want it now".
And in 2010 he took charge at the beginning of an economic cycle, now its not likely to be long before we have the next recession.0 -
Faisal: Some liberal minded Tories horrified at thought of deals with DUP.0
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May being mercilessly mocked on Good Morning Britain. She is finished. Who Governs Britain? Not you.0
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Labour can't form a government that's just silly. May needs to form a minority government, hand over either to someone competent or to Boris. DUP won't bring down the government. They just squeezed out every vote they can. Only way from where they are is down.0
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Roll on Brexit for the 60%. It's where we should have been from the beginning, not trying to get hard Brexit through on the back of 20% of voters and Tory voters who had nowhere else to go.FF43 said:Apparently Davies pushed hardest for an election and isn't popular with his cabinet colleagues. Big takeaway from this result is that the Conservative tack to UKIP has failed tactically. I am as surprised as anyone by that. Too many Kippers went Labour. UKIP are dead as a party, so there's no point pandering to them anymore. The centre ground is where the Tories need to be.
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On Topic
Yeah Mike you have been spot on all along!!
I remember you saying how good you thought Corbyn was all along!!0 -
Who will the voters blame for the mess?Robert_Of_Sheffield said:I've just heard John McDonnell on the BBC, basically saying Labour can form a minority government without making any formal deals with other parties, an option he firmly ruled out.
He said they'd write a Queen's speech enacting the Labour manifesto, which he thought would get majority support in the Commons. He asked who'd dare vote against abolishing tuition fees.
If Labour do try that approach, it will be a fiasco, and another election will look likely. The question then will be who voters blame for the mess.
I think the voters have a pretty good idea who to blame for the current mess, Robert, don't you? And if you don't you'll get a pretty good idea who when they go to the polls again, which may in fact be fairly soon.0 -
I have always said McDonnell is far more dangerous than corbyn. Corbyn is the 1970s rebooted and saying anything that even slightly wavers from that is hard for him to utter. McDonnell on the other hand will say anything.Robert_Of_Sheffield said:I've just heard John McDonnell on the BBC, basically saying Labour can form a minority government without making any formal deals with other parties, an option he firmly ruled out.
He said they'd write a Queen's speech enacting the Labour manifesto, which he thought would get majority support in the Commons. He asked who'd dare vote against abolishing tuition fees.
If Labour do try that approach, it will be a fiasco, and another election will look likely. The question then will be who voters blame for the mess.0 -
The SNP had more net losses than the Tories.0
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He will like that.The_Apocalypse said:Let's talk about this:
https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/8730819025586995200 -
I'd like to apologise for tipping against the Tories in Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock.
I discover I had a cheeky fiver on the at 7/1.0 -
The pansies better swallow their pride for the national interest.old_labour said:Faisal: Some liberal minded Tories horrified at thought of deals with DUP.
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'Strong and Stable' TMay has created a situation where McDonnell can state on TV that Labour offer strong and stable government in contrast to the Tories.
You couldn't make this up.0 -
It's over. She can't govern. We have to vote again. And kick her out.0
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Vanity projects like HS2 and Overseas Aid need to go.Charles said:
Drop HS2 and redeploy capital spending? Cut back on DfID to increase NHS spending and education.Slackbladder said:The demand from the public is pretty clear that they now want more investment in public services. If the tories don't do that, and they can, then labour will.
Better for the tories to do responsibly than labour to do it and wreck the economy.
Likewise with the warmongering and strutting about the international stage.
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Amazing how the Tory party keep forgetting this. The problem is there are too many Tory MP headbangers to allow a centrist Leader to be able to really run the party. The centre ground for instance is not to leave the EU.FF43 said:Big takeaway from this result is that the Conservative tack to UKIP has failed tactically. I am as surprised as anyone by that. ...The centre ground is where the Tories need to be.
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May is now PM as long as the big beasts allow her to be. As soon as they want to take over, they can.0
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Months? The last one took about a fortnight.Chris said:
But does she really have any choice? If she resigned, it would take months to elect a new Conservative leader. Wouldn't the Queen have to ask Corbyn to try to form a government in those circumstances?SandyRentool said:A new dawn has broken, has it not?
It looks like May has handcuffed herself to a radiator inside No. 10. Time to go Tezzie.0 -
Well, I'm obviously very disappointed with this result. But what does this all mean?
The problem with democracy is that it isn't an essay question. You just get to put a cross in a box; you dodn't get to specify what sort of conservatism or socialism or liberalism you want. A pity, though it would make counts very long. Before we jerk too many knees, we should recognise that the Conservative Party has achieved the third highest vote total of any party ever, and outpolled Tony Blair in 1997. The country has wholesale rejected conservatism - though if course, it is hard to know what shade of conservatism its conservative voters might prefer. That said, there are clearly many, many voters for whom the status quo offers so little that they are prepared to dabble with Corbynism in the hope of something different. The twitter warriors are a tiny minority of these. I don't believe many Labour voters want to see Britain turned into Venezuela. What they do want is what many Conservatives also want: job security, pay rises, better public services, an answer to tuition fees.
Our system tends to polarise us into two camps, when the reality is that thre are a wide spectrum of opinions. Perhaps as a result of this election we might have to pay heed to some of the issues we currently aren't adressing. That's no bad thing. That's how democracy should work.
I can't, can't reconcile myselt to Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell. To me, they are far beyond the pale. But most of their voters, most of their members, most of their MPs are not a different tribe; they are decent people who have a different set of priorities to me or a differnet approach to getting to the same broad goal.
Britain hasn't changed its mind. Britain isn't a single entity dithering between two choices. It is 60-odd million people weighing up hundreds and hundreds of issues and value sets. A relatively small proportion of Britons have decided to express their priorities through the democtratic system a different way. For some of us, the outcome is disappointing, but that doesn't shake my belief in democracy.0 -
I think Sandy was talking about her position as Prime Minister. I'm saying she doesn't want to resign as PM because then Corbyn would be asked to form a government.MikeL said:
No.Chris said:
But does she really have any choice? If she resigned, it would take months to elect a new Conservative leader. Wouldn't the Queen have to ask Corbyn to try to form a government in those circumstances?SandyRentool said:A new dawn has broken, has it not?
It looks like May has handcuffed herself to a radiator inside No. 10. Time to go Tezzie.
Cameron remained PM whilst Con chose new leader.
May could do the same.
But difference is the increased instability this time - some leadership candidates might say they want another GE.
So May should remain party leader at least in short run to let things settle down.
I suppose one Tory strategy would be to hand the whole mess over to him in the expectation he would fail to form a government. That would be dangerous because (1) he might succeed and (2) if he didn't, the Tories might be blamed for abdicating their responsibility to the country.0 -
Agreedwilliamglenn said:If the DUP won't countenance special status for Northern Ireland in the EU, and they won't countenance a hard border with Ireland, then the cost of a deal will have to be that we forget any idea of leaving the single market and customs union.
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Your dry as dust libertarianism is dead.MaxPB said:
Roll on Brexit for the 60%. It's where we should have been from the beginning, not trying to get hard Brexit through on the back of 20% of voters and Tory voters who had nowhere else to go.FF43 said:Apparently Davies pushed hardest for an election and isn't popular with his cabinet colleagues. Big takeaway from this result is that the Conservative tack to UKIP has failed tactically. I am as surprised as anyone by that. Too many Kippers went Labour. UKIP are dead as a party, so there's no point pandering to them anymore. The centre ground is where the Tories need to be.
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Congrats on your relly's majority, & your E.Lothian tip, I completely misread the SLab surge. We are all Corbynites now.Roger said:They are asking how the Tories can do a deal with a Party which believes the world is less than 10,000 years old? The DUP aren't Orthodox Jews are they?
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They can go to UKIP and if we do do 'soft Brexit' Farage will return to lead them. Personally I would not be too concerned with soft Brexit having voted Remain but a lot of former UKIP voters who went to the Tories and Labour this time willMaxPB said:
Roll on Brexit for the 60%. It's where we should have been from the beginning, not trying to get hard Brexit through on the back of 20% of voters and Tory voters who had nowhere else to go.FF43 said:Apparently Davies pushed hardest for an election and isn't popular with his cabinet colleagues. Big takeaway from this result is that the Conservative tack to UKIP has failed tactically. I am as surprised as anyone by that. Too many Kippers went Labour. UKIP are dead as a party, so there's no point pandering to them anymore. The centre ground is where the Tories need to be.
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Cameron's EU referendum was a miscalculation. We all know that. May's snap election was a miscalculation. We now know that too.
But I wonder if this morning is also showing us that Cameron's opposition to PR (or, at least, AV) was a miscalculation. Not only did it rule out a Con-Lib Dem coalition for the foreseeable future, it prevented a French-style realignment where a number of smaller centre/centre-right parties are always available to make deals with Les Republicains.
Right now I imagine May would give her right arm to have centrist parties prepared to enter a coalition with her, and it's long been suspected that Cameron would have preferred a second coalition with the Lib Dems to his coalition with the headbangers in his own party.0 -
Almost. I'd have taken 12 seats in a flash if you'd offered it yesterday. But to lose NE Fife by 2, Richmond Park by 45, Ceredigion by 104 and St Ives by 312 - that hurts. It should have been better.archer101au said:I congratulate the Labour and LD supporters on a great campaign and a great night. I am sure you are having fun right now.
However, one thing seems to be overlooked. When the sun rises tomorrow, there will be a Tory Government.0 -
Lol. Made a profit on the election. Almost every call I made was wrong but I backed Labour in Canterbury!0
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Offering bribes to voters always seems to work. I remember Roy Jenkins being blasted by Labour for not presenting a give-away budget just before one GE. Going to the country with a promise to make things worse for many is always problematic. And people like to blame the 'Fat Cats'.
Jezza is a man for the 'underdog" and powerful nations are never underdogs. Once he can turn us into a weak nation, we'll become an underdog, and he might even support us then.
But that Tory campaign was abysmal - they may eat babies, but they used to be able to do it efficiently.
The Ukip voters believed it was safe to return to their former parties. It'll be interesting to see where they go.
Anyway, it's a sunny day, God's in his heaven, and the world goes on.
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Agreed.another_richard said:
Corbyn has hovered up the dispossessed vote.The_Apocalypse said:Let's talk about this:
https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/873081902558699520
If he had promised to write off all student debt he would have got even more votes.
With Brexit and now this, the political class need to pay attention to this group.0 -
But the Queen's government must be carried on. Even if it only took a fortnight, she couldn't resign as PM until it was done. If she wants out, the only option is to resign as party leader but remain PM.DecrepitJohnL said:
Months? The last one took about a fortnight.Chris said:
But does she really have any choice? If she resigned, it would take months to elect a new Conservative leader. Wouldn't the Queen have to ask Corbyn to try to form a government in those circumstances?SandyRentool said:A new dawn has broken, has it not?
It looks like May has handcuffed herself to a radiator inside No. 10. Time to go Tezzie.0 -
Are you Nigel Dodds?Pauly said:
The pansies better swallow their pride for the national interest.old_labour said:Faisal: Some liberal minded Tories horrified at thought of deals with DUP.
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If May resigns as PM then Corbyn is PM until his QS is voted down.
Her option is to resign as leader but stay as PM if she has the confidence of the house.0 -
Has anyone got a list of the seats which were Con in 2010 but not in 2017 and those which were not Con in 2010 but were in 2017.
I'll bet the Conservatives losses were mostly urban, especially London, middle class seats while their gains were in rural or industrial working class areas.
That applies to England and Wales only - Scotland is somewhat different.
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I see myself as more of a Sammy Wilson type figure.old_labour said:
Are you Nigel Dodds?Pauly said:
The pansies better swallow their pride for the national interest.old_labour said:Faisal: Some liberal minded Tories horrified at thought of deals with DUP.
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Glad I missed your tip and even more glad for your win. I think almost every tip I put up on here won but both my memory and searching skills are insufficient to prove it.Alistair said:I'd like to apologise for tipping against the Tories in Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock.
I discover I had a cheeky fiver on the at 7/1.0 -
I thoroughly recommend reading last night's thread at 22.01. Shock, denial and anger all on display0
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Ask them today, and the voters would probably blame the Tories, but in aix months?Peter_the_Punter said:
Who will the voters blame for the mess?Robert_Of_Sheffield said:I've just heard John McDonnell on the BBC, basically saying Labour can form a minority government without making any formal deals with other parties, an option he firmly ruled out.
He said they'd write a Queen's speech enacting the Labour manifesto, which he thought would get majority support in the Commons. He asked who'd dare vote against abolishing tuition fees.
If Labour do try that approach, it will be a fiasco, and another election will look likely. The question then will be who voters blame for the mess.
I think the voters have a pretty good idea who to blame for the current mess, Robert, don't you? And if you don't you'll get a pretty good idea who when they go to the polls again, which may in fact be fairly soon.
If we have six months of Labour politicians talking about their grand ideas on TV, and complaining that none of the other parties will vote for them while showing absolutely no willingness to compromise the public mood might well change.0 -
Mr. Cosmic, yeah, poor night for the SNP. But I do wonder if Con gains are built on a specific set of circumstances.0
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Great tweet from Sir David Butler!dr_spyn said:0 -
Theresa May or her successor can get a Brexit deal through, but it needs the support of Labour to see off any potential rebellion on Tory benches. The DUP won't provide the numbers. The Conservative leadership needs to have serious talks with Keir Starmer.0
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Exactly. If the Tories go with a DUP C&S then all their "interesting" policies and beliefs will be paraded by the opposition parties and hang them round the neck of the Tories. An understanding with the DUP comes with a price tag in many senses.old_labour said:Faisal: Some liberal minded Tories horrified at thought of deals with DUP.
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That's always been dead, I've never believed otherwise. I was on here (and telling irl Tories) saying that the government should have run on meeting the Labour Leave campaign pledges like £350m per week for the NHS.old_labour said:
Your dry as dust libertarianism is dead.MaxPB said:
Roll on Brexit for the 60%. It's where we should have been from the beginning, not trying to get hard Brexit through on the back of 20% of voters and Tory voters who had nowhere else to go.FF43 said:Apparently Davies pushed hardest for an election and isn't popular with his cabinet colleagues. Big takeaway from this result is that the Conservative tack to UKIP has failed tactically. I am as surprised as anyone by that. Too many Kippers went Labour. UKIP are dead as a party, so there's no point pandering to them anymore. The centre ground is where the Tories need to be.
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That I can believe.Pauly said:
I see myself as more of a Sammy Wilson type figure.old_labour said:
Are you Nigel Dodds?Pauly said:
The pansies better swallow their pride for the national interest.old_labour said:Faisal: Some liberal minded Tories horrified at thought of deals with DUP.
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Also, after all that's been said about Kezia Dugdale, she must not be that bad, given how SLab have done so well.0
