Theresa cannot possibly continue. She's a national laughing stock. She has zero credibility to negotiate with the EU. If she clings on she will damage the Tory brand further.
Also, I'm glad I hedged the Richmond Park Lib Dems 26 tip from Mr. Putney, just wish I'd done the same when Cons had lay 1.7 for 350-399 seats.
Alas. I did lay them for an overall majority, which halved my Con seat numbers loss.
Mr. Charles, and Mr. Jessop, come on, chaps. This is meant to be a happy website. Let's not argue about who killed who.
Sorry, when someone's found at the crime scene, holding a bloody knife behind his back, whistling whilst displaying a 'get out of jail free' card, I think people have a right to comment on who might have aided the crime.
You and I are going to suffer the consequences of this much more than Charles is.
I genuinely fear for my son's future. This isn't about me, or Mrs J: it's about a three year old.
The men in grey suits will have called by the end of the day and prized her out by her fingernails.
I doubt that. Of course she has to go - but equally announcing a resignation this morning would be ridiculous. A government of some sort has to be formed, and that wouldn't be possible without a Conservative leader. I do not like her at all, but one thing May unquestionable has is a sense of duty. She'll hang on until this dust settles.
And if she doesn't then go, she'll be ushered out very quickly.
Why is there any "urgency" to usher her out. The Conservatives have the numbers to pass a Queens speech. There is a five year parliament ahead. They can have a leadership contest in 2 years if they want. They've got boundary changes to come, and who knows if Corbyn will manage to blow up the Labour party again in the mean time.
Forget the boundary changes.
They are bad for the DUP - no chance they'll pass.
Yes. Suggest they'll be utterly re-visited. Back to 650 on the old rules on a new register.
Kuenessburg saying that May isn't going to resign.
May is taking the absolute p*ss here. She has no business continuing as PM after leading her party and country to this disaster.
I'm sure she will, she should wait for all the results though.
Safe to say I didn't call those extra Labour votes last night! At least the Tory vote was where I expected. Quite an irony if the youth surge leads to Boris as PM, they would hate that.
My generation would dislike any Conservative leader.
Out of interest how old are you?
Early twenties.
Thanks, and may I ask why you would dislike any conservative leader?
I'm not keen on May and disliked Cameron immensely but quite liked Major.
I think something has been lost in translation there:)
*I* personally would not automatically dislike any Conservative leader. But my generation generally would - so I was just speaking to the general opinion of young people as opposed to my own specific views. I'm not a Corbynista, so my politics is a bit different to other young people.
The people want change. That's obvious from Brexit and this election, even if the idiots screeching for change over the EU did not realise it.
Let him fuck up. The alternative is to let a wounded Conservative party fester on like a particularly odorous zombie.
Oh, and let the Brexiteers who are rucking off or have resources abroad - like MaxPB, Charles and sadly RCS - pay the consequences of their folly.
So many people need to look up the definition of 'conservative'.
Excuse me, but that was rather uncalled for.
Nah, not really. You're mostly insulated from the shit that's about to fall on us.
Witness the 200 million you were willing seen spent on the Garden Bridge to help the local poor urchins (ahem). You'll just piss off abroad; and even if you do not, you can afford the tax advisers to ensure you and your kids are sorted.
I cannot. I'll pay for your folly.
No, I won't. And we don't tax plan: we have a moral obligation to pay what society asks and to tithe as well.
Get some sleep. This kind of personalised bitchiness is not doing you any favours
Are you denying what I'm saying? Will you suffer in reality if it all goes tits-up?
I.e. will you have to start looking at the prices on the bread?
No. You are insulated, whatever 'society asks' .
Well I have a job with a salary that pays my mortgage. If I lose that then I could lose my house. And wouldn't be able to educate my daughter in the way we want. I reckon that counts as "suffering".
And I already look at the pride of bread.
Now just fuck off, ok?
'Lose my house'
Which house is that?
'educate my daughter in the way we want.'
I daresay many people would want to educate her in that manner. Would you want to move to Wandsworth and send her to the local school?
You fuck off. You are privileged, and have lived a life of privilege. good on you. I actually quite like you, but your patrician bullshit grows weary. Try living a real life.
I haven't made any particular comments today except to point out you are being an arse. Goodbye.
Also, I'm glad I hedged the Richmond Park Lib Dems 26 tip from Mr. Putney, just wish I'd done the same when Cons had lay 1.7 for 350-399 seats.
Alas. I did lay them for an overall majority, which halved my Con seat numbers loss.
Mr. Charles, and Mr. Jessop, come on, chaps. This is meant to be a happy website. Let's not argue about who killed who.
Sorry, when someone's found at the crime scene, holding a bloody knife behind his back, whistling whilst displaying a 'get out of jail free' card, I think people have a right to comment on who might have aided the crime.
You and I are going to suffer the consequences of this much more than Charles is.
I genuinely fear for my son's future. This isn't about me, or Mrs J: it's about a three year old.
I suggest you butt out. She asked for this, and the lemmings in the Conservative party went running over the edge of the precipice at her behest. It all looked so different a few weeks ago, didn't it?
Chill. Or you're going to get no enjoyment out of today.
I'm getting lots of enjoyment. I'm on a bus-ride over the cliff caused by the Conservative brexiteers.
Or so-called 'conservatives'.
I cannot reach the controls, so I'm along for the ride.
May has to go, maybe not right away, but she needs to start the next leadership contest asap. Its as simple.
Get a new confident leader and get some actual attractive policies. Ditch Grammar school f-ing about, never mention fox hunting, and FFS sort out a proper programme for public services.
Corbyn might be utterly dangerous, but at least he was promising to make things better than they are. If the Tories can't do that, they deserve to lose.
The people want change. That's obvious from Brexit and this election, even if the idiots screeching for change over the EU did not realise it.
Let him fuck up. The alternative is to let a wounded Conservative party fester on like a particularly odorous zombie.
Oh, and let the Brexiteers who are rucking off or have resources abroad - like MaxPB, Charles and sadly RCS - pay the consequences of their folly.
So many people need to look up the definition of 'conservative'.
Excuse me, but that was rather uncalled for.
Nah, not really. You're mostly insulated from the shit that's about to fall on us.
Witness the 200 million you were willing seen spent on the Garden Bridge to help the local poor urchins (ahem). You'll just piss off abroad; and even if you do not, you can afford the tax advisers to ensure you and your kids are sorted.
I cannot. I'll pay for your folly.
No, I won't. And we don't tax plan: we have a moral obligation to pay what society asks and to tithe as well.
Get some sleep. This kind of personalised bitchiness is not doing you any favours
Are you denying what I'm saying? Will you suffer in reality if it all goes tits-up?
I.e. will you have to start looking at the prices on the bread?
No. You are insulated, whatever 'society asks' .
Well I have a job with a salary that pays my mortgage. If I lose that then I could lose my house. And wouldn't be able to educate my daughter in the way we want. I reckon that counts as "suffering".
And I already look at the pride of bread.
Now just fuck off, ok?
'Lose my house'
Which house is that?
'educate my daughter in the way we want.'
I daresay many people would want to educate her in that manner. Would you want to move to Wandsworth and send her to the local school?
You fuck off. You are privileged, and have lived a life of privilege. good on you. I actually quite like you, but your patrician bullshit grows weary. Try living a real life.
I haven't made any particular comments today except to point out you are being an arse. Goodbye.
An arse is someone who wants to spend £200 million on a bridge to help the local poor kids.
Are you denying you're insulated from the consequences of Brexit?
If Conservatives are going to replace May they need a proper leadership election to do it. Not a stitch up to rush in a new PM. As I say the Government is not under threat. Have a leadership election in a couple of years once we see how Brexit negotiations are working out.
Yes the Tories have not had a great night outside Scotland but still have a majority with the DUP. Let May stay as caretaker leader for now and see what the weekend polls say about Boris, Davidson etc who would be the main contenders to succeed as leader, though Davidson may do best to stay in Scotland where she has led the resurgence against the SNP.
Also, I'm glad I hedged the Richmond Park Lib Dems 26 tip from Mr. Putney, just wish I'd done the same when Cons had lay 1.7 for 350-399 seats.
Alas. I did lay them for an overall majority, which halved my Con seat numbers loss.
Mr. Charles, and Mr. Jessop, come on, chaps. This is meant to be a happy website. Let's not argue about who killed who.
Sorry, when someone's found at the crime scene, holding a bloody knife behind his back, whistling whilst displaying a 'get out of jail free' card, I think people have a right to comment on who might have aided the crime.
You and I are going to suffer the consequences of this much more than Charles is.
I genuinely fear for my son's future. This isn't about me, or Mrs J: it's about a three year old.
Kuenessburg saying that May isn't going to resign.
May is taking the absolute p*ss here. She has no business continuing as PM after leading her party and country to this disaster.
I'm sure she will, she should wait for all the results though.
Safe to say I didn't call those extra Labour votes last night! At least the Tory vote was where I expected. Quite an irony if the youth surge leads to Boris as PM, they would hate that.
My generation would dislike any Conservative leader.
Boris and Davidson would both do quite well with the youth vote I think relative to the Tory Party's normal support with the young, young people are always asking Boris for selfies and Boris twice won London which has a younger than average population
I actually think the outcome of this election could be actually a good thing effectively the majority is roughly the same including the DUP and because of the gains the Tories have made in Scotland effectively they now have representation in all four quarters of the UK going into the Brexit negotiations no longer can the snp in Scotland say that Scottish interest to not being represented in the Brexit talks as the Tories now hold 13 seats in Scotland and the DUP hold 10 seats in Northern Ireland. in a certain way she has actually strengthened her hand going into the Brexit negotiations despite the immediate political reaction she now has a "union" majority
Kuenessburg saying that May isn't going to resign.
May is taking the absolute p*ss here. She has no business continuing as PM after leading her party and country to this disaster.
I'm sure she will, she should wait for all the results though.
Safe to say I didn't call those extra Labour votes last night! At least the Tory vote was where I expected. Quite an irony if the youth surge leads to Boris as PM, they would hate that.
My generation would dislike any Conservative leader.
Out of interest how old are you?
Early twenties.
Thanks, and may I ask why you would dislike any conservative leader?
I'm not keen on May and disliked Cameron immensely but quite liked Major.
I think something has been lost in translation there:)
*I* personally would not automatically dislike any Conservative leader. But my generation generally would - so I was just speaking to the general opinion of young people as opposed to my own specific views. I'm not a Corbynista, so my politics is a bit different to other young people.
OK sorry for the misunderstanding, fwiw I agree with you I was just keen to hear your view.
I suggest you butt out. She asked for this, and the lemmings in the Conservative party went running over the edge of the precipice at her behest. It all looked so different a few weeks ago, didn't it?
Chill. Or you're going to get no enjoyment out of today.
I'm getting lots of enjoyment. I'm on a bus-ride over the cliff caused by the Conservative brexiteers.
Or so-called 'conservatives'.
I cannot reach the controls, so I'm along for the ride.
Not wanting to burst any bubbles but the labour party have lost the election no matter how they spin it, the Tories will go ahead with positive or neutral support from the DUP. IN normal times that possibly could run for 4/5 years giving the political map time to change, settle down whatever. I can't predict though how the Tories will survive the two key problems of brexit where there are enough"nutters" on either side of the argument to derail plans and NI facing chaos with no devolved assembly and the boarder key to brexit.. Does the election overrule the referendum, remind me of labours position anyone? So it may well be a short lived government with the actual deal being the key issue. Mind you we could have a referendum on the deal....no ill get my coat I think
May has to go, maybe not right away, but she needs to start the next leadership contest asap. Its as simple.
Get a new confident leader and get some actual attractive policies. Ditch Grammar school f-ing about, never mention fox hunting, and FFS sort out a proper programme for public services.
Corbyn might be utterly dangerous, but at least he was promising to make things better than they are. If the Tories can't do that, they deserve to lose.
Grammars was not a problem, a plurality support a few more, what was a problem was endless austerity, that needs to be eased off and taxes cut for average earners
I suggest you butt out. She asked for this, and the lemmings in the Conservative party went running over the edge of the precipice at her behest. It all looked so different a few weeks ago, didn't it?
Chill. Or you're going to get no enjoyment out of today.
I'm getting lots of enjoyment. I'm on a bus-ride over the cliff caused by the Conservative brexiteers.
Or so-called 'conservatives'.
I cannot reach the controls, so I'm along for the ride.
Hahahahahahahaha.
Are you enjoying it as much?
We had a great result in Torbay.....
Good on you. I quite admire the way Corbyn's destroyed all his rivals, but I'd prefer even a half-sane Conservative government over one ruled by him.
So thanks for all your work. But it is a shame that May's let us all down.
I've always said the great British public make the right choice at General Elections - can't say that this morning. Close to the worst possible outcome.
Oh well, some modest winnings including some gimmes on the constituency markets in the minute after the exit poll.
Kuenessburg saying that May isn't going to resign.
May is taking the absolute p*ss here. She has no business continuing as PM after leading her party and country to this disaster.
I'm sure she will, she should wait for all the results though.
Safe to say I didn't call those extra Labour votes last night! At least the Tory vote was where I expected. Quite an irony if the youth surge leads to Boris as PM, they would hate that.
My generation would dislike any Conservative leader.
Boris and Davidson would both do quite well with the youth vote I think relative to the Tory Party's normal support with the young, young people are always asking Boris for selfies and Boris twice won London which has a younger than average population
The Conservatives have a serious brand issue with young people, though I agree that there is more of a chance of Davidson being liked.
Boris used to be liked by at least *some* of my generation. Until EUref. Until he backed Leave. Until Brexit....
Not wanting to burst any bubbles but the labour party have lost the election no matter how they spin it, the Tories will go ahead with positive or neutral support from the DUP. IN normal times that possibly could run for 4/5 years giving the political map time to change, settle down whatever. I can't predict though how the Tories will survive the two key problems of brexit where there are enough"nutters" on either side of the argument to derail plans and NI facing chaos with no devolved assembly and the boarder key to brexit.. Does the election overrule the referendum, remind me of labours position anyone? So it may well be a short lived government with the actual deal being the key issue. Mind you we could have a referendum on the deal....no ill get my coat I think
I wonder if they now regret DC's "English votes for English laws"?
Having a wonderful breakfast. I'm presently enjoying a gigantic slice of humble pie, having managed to lick off the copious amount of egg on my face first. Who also knew castor oil was such a dream drink this time of the day.
I hear too that JohnO is presently enjoying a similar petit dejeuner in the first class restaurant car of the train from Hersham to Islington, via Caithness, where he intends to offer himself as a Labour peer on the red benches.
Theresa cannot possibly continue. She's a national laughing stock. She has zero credibility to negotiate with the EU. If she clings on she will damage the Tory brand further.
Not sure - could plausibly argue that she needs a good deal otherwise she loses her position and we crash out without a deal. May make that threat more plausible than if she had a big majority
May has to go, maybe not right away, but she needs to start the next leadership contest asap. Its as simple.
Get a new confident leader and get some actual attractive policies. Ditch Grammar school f-ing about, never mention fox hunting, and FFS sort out a proper programme for public services.
Corbyn might be utterly dangerous, but at least he was promising to make things better than they are. If the Tories can't do that, they deserve to lose.
The fox hunting vote and grammar schools were the most bizarre things to lead an election on.
Anna Soubry rightly pointed out just how poor tory messaging was i.e. why didn't they lead with "poor children will now get 2 free meals a day..." rathet than "kids will lose their free school meals"
Theresa cannot possibly continue. She's a national laughing stock. She has zero credibility to negotiate with the EU. If she clings on she will damage the Tory brand further.
Not sure - could plausibly argue that she needs a good deal otherwise she loses her position and we crash out without a deal. May make that threat more plausible than if she had a big majority
Perhaps an immediate hard brexit (crashing out without a deal) is better than the prolonged suffering of years of negotiation led by idiots such as May, Davis and Fox?
May has to go, maybe not right away, but she needs to start the next leadership contest asap. Its as simple.
Get a new confident leader and get some actual attractive policies. Ditch Grammar school f-ing about, never mention fox hunting, and FFS sort out a proper programme for public services.
Corbyn might be utterly dangerous, but at least he was promising to make things better than they are. If the Tories can't do that, they deserve to lose.
Grammars was not a problem, a plurality support a few more, what was a problem was endless austerity, that needs to be eased off and taxes cut for average earners
ditch all talk of the social care stuff.. royal all party commission.. reinstate winter fuel allowance..
Any chance of the Tories trying to forge a consensus with other parties on Brexit negotiations?
They'll have to forge a consensus with their own party first. How can May get a majority for a supposed Brexit deal when she needs to keep Hollobone and Cash, and Soubry and Clarke, all on side?
Maybe the Lib Dems will get their second referendum after all.
May has to go, maybe not right away, but she needs to start the next leadership contest asap. Its as simple.
Get a new confident leader and get some actual attractive policies. Ditch Grammar school f-ing about, never mention fox hunting, and FFS sort out a proper programme for public services.
Corbyn might be utterly dangerous, but at least he was promising to make things better than they are. If the Tories can't do that, they deserve to lose.
Grammars was not a problem, a plurality support a few more, what was a problem was endless austerity, that needs to be eased off and taxes cut for average earners
ditch all talk of the social care stuff.. royal all party commission.. reinstate winter fuel allowance..
Hope there's no recession and the deficit doesn't explode....
I wish Farage would stop saying people voted for his kind of Brexit. How can he say? Surely Forner UKIp voters would not have split the way they did in this election.
I suggest you butt out. She asked for this, and the lemmings in the Conservative party went running over the edge of the precipice at her behest. It all looked so different a few weeks ago, didn't it?
Chill. Or you're going to get no enjoyment out of today.
I'm getting lots of enjoyment. I'm on a bus-ride over the cliff caused by the Conservative brexiteers.
Or so-called 'conservatives'.
I cannot reach the controls, so I'm along for the ride.
Hahahahahahahaha.
Are you enjoying it as much?
We had a great result in Torbay.....
Good on you. I quite admire the way Corbyn's destroyed all his rivals, but I'd prefer even a half-sane Conservative government over one ruled by him.
So thanks for all your work. But it is a shame that May's let us all down.
If only she had been advised by at least one person who was prepared to look at the election plans and the Manifesto and ask
"Now why the FUCK would you want to do that?"
I think Kevin Foster would have been happy to second me to the top team, just to ask that... All that wanking about in Bolsover when they suffered bonkers losses by less than 100 votes. Hubris. Pure and simple.
Same time, same place in say 3 months for another shit show?
No. No more elections. We can't risk one with Corbyn as opposition leader. We've been dealt a poor hand but we've got to play it now. If we go back to the public in less than two years we'll get absolutely smashed.
Worst bets: All the Tory overs & the ~ £700 I had on Vale of Clwyd and Gower to win ~ £150
Best bet: Ynys Mons ~ £70 @ 12-1
My constituency bets overall are OK. Tories gained Mansfield and Walsall N. and retained Brecon as I thought but didn't gain Edgbaston, Hartlepool, Northfield, Wrexham or C&W. Nearly all my Labour, LibDem and SNP bets won, e.g. SNP retained Skye, LDs gained Edinburgh W.
The Tory majority odds @ 1.2-1.25 were no more 'value' than similar odds on Clinton. Better another time to split it between ten 'value' constituencies @ ~1.2.
I think it's back to mostly constituency betting only for me. On balance, it does better. I now think we'll have another GE soon!
Having a wonderful breakfast. I'm presently enjoying a gigantic slice of humble pie, having managed to lick off the copious amount of egg on my face first. Who also knew castor oil was such a dream drink this time of the day.
I hear too that JohnO is presently enjoying a similar petit dejeuner in the first class restaurant car of the train from Hersham to Islington, via Caithness, where he intends to offer himself as a Labour peer on the red benches.
Humble pie, publicly and gracefully consumed, can be part of the nicest meal. Consuming it can be the mark of a true gentleman.
Any chance of the Tories trying to forge a consensus with other parties on Brexit negotiations?
Way to early to think about it, but it's an option.
Government of national unity to get us through Brexit?
Not thinking of that. Too many other fundamental differences. But clearly the Conservatives don't have the authority to keep this negotiation just to themselves.
Same time, same place in say 3 months for another shit show?
No. No more elections. We can't risk one with Corbyn as opposition leader. We've been dealt a poor hand but we've got to play it now. If we go back to the public in less than two years we'll get absolutely smashed.
Looking forward to it already. And less face it the Tories thoroughly deserve it.
1. Moving from a small majority to a minority gov means little change in the difficulties of getting legislation through (it will still be awkward).
2. Maybe the only significant event will be dealing with Brexit, and other legislation will be slow, which might not be a bad thing.
3. Another Tory leader will be lined up, as TMay will not be allowed to contest another one. Perhaps one who is prepared to take the fight to Labour.
4. Corbyn was handed a level-playing field by TMay. She undermined her own manifesto and ceded the field to his policies. The terrorist attack nullified Corbyn's past and allowed him to make it about Police cuts. He had policies that were designed for mass appeal, and no-one really challenged the economics of Labour, as no-one thought he had a chance. The smaller parties were squeezed and overall this benefited Corbyn. He started out as the underdog, but ended up with all the momentum and it turned out to be a great chance for him. Despite all this, he still lost the election. The election was polarised and hard left policies failed here.
5. The Tories will learn from this and attack on the economics of Labour's policies in future (I hope).
Any chance of the Tories trying to forge a consensus with other parties on Brexit negotiations?
They'll have to forge a consensus with their own party first. How can May get a majority for a supposed Brexit deal when she needs to keep Hollobone and Cash, and Soubry and Clarke, all on side?
Maybe the Lib Dems will get their second referendum after all.
You better get your coat and join me in the wilderness
I suggest you butt out. She asked for this, and the lemmings in the Conservative party went running over the edge of the precipice at her behest. It all looked so different a few weeks ago, didn't it?
Chill. Or you're going to get no enjoyment out of today.
I'm getting lots of enjoyment. I'm on a bus-ride over the cliff caused by the Conservative brexiteers.
Or so-called 'conservatives'.
I cannot reach the controls, so I'm along for the ride.
Hahahahahahahaha.
Are you enjoying it as much?
We had a great result in Torbay.....
Good on you. I quite admire the way Corbyn's destroyed all his rivals, but I'd prefer even a half-sane Conservative government over one ruled by him.
So thanks for all your work. But it is a shame that May's let us all down.
If only she had been advised by at least one person who was prepared to look at the election plans and the Manifesto and ask
"Now why the FUCK would you want to do that?"
I think Kevin Foster would have been happy to second me to the top team, just to ask that... All that wanking about in Bolsover when they suffered bonkers losses by less than 100 votes. Hubris. Pure and simple.
It'll be very interesting to know how much visibility the high-uppers in the party got to see of the plan before she called the election.
If Corbyn's manifesto was written by the unions, then May's was written by the village fool.
Any chance of the Tories trying to forge a consensus with other parties on Brexit negotiations?
Depends who the Tory leader is.
I think based on a rough guess a majority of Tory MPs would support single market/customs union membership.
So betrayal rather than Brexit.
Can't be long before the more tinfoil-sporting of the Kippers claim that Remain-voting Theresa May threw her own election as the last gasp of the Establishment to prevent us leaving the EU... "I mean, NOBODY runs an election that badly without an ulterior motive. About the only retoxifying Manifesto pledge they missed was gassing all badgers...."
I actually think the outcome of this election could be actually a good thing effectively the majority is roughly the same including the DUP and because of the gains the Tories have made in Scotland effectively they now have representation in all four quarters of the UK going into the Brexit negotiations no longer can the snp in Scotland say that Scottish interest to not being represented in the Brexit talks as the Tories now hold 13 seats in Scotland and the DUP hold 10 seats in Northern Ireland. in a certain way she has actually strengthened her hand going into the Brexit negotiations despite the immediate political reaction she now has a "union" majority
Having a wonderful breakfast. I'm presently enjoying a gigantic slice of humble pie, having managed to lick off the copious amount of egg on my face first. Who also knew castor oil was such a dream drink this time of the day.
I hear too that JohnO is presently enjoying a similar petit dejeuner in the first class restaurant car of the train from Hersham to Islington, via Caithness, where he intends to offer himself as a Labour peer on the red benches.
Humble pie, publicly and gracefully consumed, can be part of the nicest meal. Consuming it can be the mark of a true gentleman.
He is a true gentleman, the wittiest poster on here.
I'm really pissed off at the stupid tory party since 2014.
It's been one f*ckup after another, all to appease the nutjobs on their right.
They've dragged the country into the gutter.
grrr.
positive thing to come out of this is that the Conservatives are going into the Brexit negotiations with representation from Scotland and Northern Ireland and Wales no longer can this be called an English negotiation with the DUP support and 13 Scottish MPs plus Welsh it will truly be a government of the UK going into Brexit hopefully a good deal can be reached now . I actually think Theresa May should weather the storm over time if the negotiations are successful she can rebuild her reputation with the British people are maybe step down before 2022
Any chance of the Tories trying to forge a consensus with other parties on Brexit negotiations?
They'll have to forge a consensus with their own party first. How can May get a majority for a supposed Brexit deal when she needs to keep Hollobone and Cash, and Soubry and Clarke, all on side?
Maybe the Lib Dems will get their second referendum after all.
If the Tory PM can come up with something that the Lib Dems, and the majority of Labour MPs, can support, and also provides a face-saving way for the SNP to drop their demand for indyref2, then they would have enough support to be able to ignore the Tory right-wing. At least temporarily.
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Not liquid yet but rated about 50/50.
You and I are going to suffer the consequences of this much more than Charles is.
I genuinely fear for my son's future. This isn't about me, or Mrs J: it's about a three year old.
Hahahahahahahahahahahh
*I* personally would not automatically dislike any Conservative leader. But my generation generally would - so I was just speaking to the general opinion of young people as opposed to my own specific views. I'm not a Corbynista, so my politics is a bit different to other young people.
My take on the election.
Or so-called 'conservatives'.
I cannot reach the controls, so I'm along for the ride.
Hahahahahahahaha.
Are you enjoying it as much?
May has to go, maybe not right away, but she needs to start the next leadership contest asap. Its as simple.
Get a new confident leader and get some actual attractive policies. Ditch Grammar school f-ing about, never mention fox hunting, and FFS sort out a proper programme for public services.
Corbyn might be utterly dangerous, but at least he was promising to make things better than they are. If the Tories can't do that, they deserve to lose.
Are you denying you're insulated from the consequences of Brexit?
Those were the 'real' polls btw.
"Running through a wheat field, whilst firing at my team of advisors with an AK47....."
Mr. Jessop, the result makes ODFTEINO* more likely, I'd've said.
*Our Departure From The EU In Name Only [I do loathe the portmanteau adopted for us leaving the EU].
It begins...
So thanks for all your work. But it is a shame that May's let us all down.
Oh well, some modest winnings including some gimmes on the constituency markets in the minute after the exit poll.
Boris used to be liked by at least *some* of my generation. Until EUref. Until he backed Leave. Until Brexit....
Now he's very unpopular.
I think based on a rough guess a majority of Tory MPs would support single market/customs union membership.
Having a wonderful breakfast. I'm presently enjoying a gigantic slice of humble pie, having managed to lick off the copious amount of egg on my face first. Who also knew castor oil was such a dream drink this time of the day.
I hear too that JohnO is presently enjoying a similar petit dejeuner in the first class restaurant car of the train from Hersham to Islington, via Caithness, where he intends to offer himself as a Labour peer on the red benches.
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/jubilant-corbyn-celebrates-defeat-by-an-idiot-20170609129135
Anna Soubry rightly pointed out just how poor tory messaging was i.e. why didn't they lead with "poor children will now get 2 free meals a day..." rathet than "kids will lose their free school meals"
Awful. Awful.awful.
Aaron got a 4.8% swing in Don Valley.
Maybe the Lib Dems will get their second referendum after all.
It's been one f*ckup after another, all to appease the nutjobs on their right.
They've dragged the country into the gutter.
grrr.
"Now why the FUCK would you want to do that?"
I think Kevin Foster would have been happy to second me to the top team, just to ask that... All that wanking about in Bolsover when they suffered bonkers losses by less than 100 votes. Hubris. Pure and simple.
The Tory majority odds @ 1.2-1.25 were no more 'value' than similar odds on Clinton. Better another time to split it between ten 'value' constituencies @ ~1.2.
I think it's back to mostly constituency betting only for me. On balance, it does better. I now think we'll have another GE soon!
We've already said "Goodbye"
Since you gotta go , oh you'd better go
Go now , go now go now
Things to be grateful for in this GE.
1. Moving from a small majority to a minority gov means little change in the difficulties of getting legislation through (it will still be awkward).
2. Maybe the only significant event will be dealing with Brexit, and other legislation will be slow, which might not be a bad thing.
3. Another Tory leader will be lined up, as TMay will not be allowed to contest another one. Perhaps one who is prepared to take the fight to Labour.
4. Corbyn was handed a level-playing field by TMay. She undermined her own manifesto and ceded the field to his policies. The terrorist attack nullified Corbyn's past and allowed him to make it about Police cuts. He had policies that were designed for mass appeal, and no-one really challenged the economics of Labour, as no-one thought he had a chance. The smaller parties were squeezed and overall this benefited Corbyn. He started out as the underdog, but ended up with all the momentum and it turned out to be a great chance for him. Despite all this, he still lost the election. The election was polarised and hard left policies failed here.
5. The Tories will learn from this and attack on the economics of Labour's policies in future (I hope).
If Corbyn's manifesto was written by the unions, then May's was written by the village fool.
Reports must then be laid before Parliament - and they are certain to be voted against as DUP will say no.