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  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,290
    HaroldO said:

    This is the worst possible result, but all I can see on facebook is "huh, huh at least the Tories won't win". Labour or Tory government is better than no government!

    The people have vindicated May's stance: No government is better than a bad government.
  • midwinter
    midwinter Posts: 1,112
    MaxPB said:

    Have to say, this was the worst Tory campaign I've ever seen. Theresa May needs to go, even if we scrape 330 seats like we have now

    MaxPB said:

    Have to say, this was the worst Tory campaign I've ever seen. Theresa May needs to go, even if we scrape 330 seats like we have now

    And beg Dave and George to come back.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,733
    If this is the result we surely be doing all this again fairly shortly?
  • ThomasNashe
    ThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    My only bet was Labour under 120. LOL!
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    George Osborne is pissing himself
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    This is so bloody hung this parliament.
  • HaroldO
    HaroldO Posts: 1,185

    The public were asked if you wanted Teresa May or a Marxist. They chose the Marxist!

    Erm, no they didn't. The Tories are still well ahead, just not far enough ahead.
  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022

    This exit poll is bollocks. This is 1992 all over again.

    Maybe the young have come good? Be very interested to get a sense of turnout.
  • Dadge
    Dadge Posts: 2,052
    Exit poll identical to last time suggests the eventual result will be the same as last time: a small Tory majority.

    Interest in the detail: I'm certain from canvassing in Birmingham that Labour hasn't done very well in the Midlands and North. Therefore Labour has made big % gains in the South and London and some (very) surprising gains. Also, the Tories must've won quite a lot of SNP seats, so the Tories have actually gone backwards in England overall.

    Crazy.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867

    If this is the result we surely be doing all this again fairly shortly?

    Hopefully with George. What a mess.
  • Monksfield
    Monksfield Posts: 2,905

    This exit poll is bollocks. This is 1992 all over again.

    I think it overstates Labour. But clearly not likely to be 50 odd seats out.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Chris said:

    If this exit poll is right, then it is difficult to see how the Tories can govern on the basis of hard Brexit. So will political expediency prevail, and will the Tories ditch May in favour of someone with a more pragmatic approach? If so, who?

    Soft Brexit now. And May will be gone as soon as politically possible.
  • dodrade said:

    Scottish Labour in biggest comeback since Lazarus perhaps?

    Literally no sign of this on the ground, but BBC saying treat Scottish numbers with caution.
  • jonny83 said:

    AHMatlock said:

    Well, if the exit poll is accurate or very close, I'm not sure how Theresa May can survive as leader. Surely the Backbench will want her out fast unless the majority is at least as large as Cameron, and even that May not be enough...

    1922 committee will get those letters very quick.
    Boris has been on the warpath for 2 weeks.
  • AlastairMeeks
    AlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    That Philip Hammond bet for Prime Minister after the election is suddenly looking a lot better than a 500/1 shot.
  • hunchman
    hunchman Posts: 2,591
    GBPUSD tanked 200 pips already.
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    What an unmitigated disaster. The country has gone utterly insane.
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    So who was planning on watching the exit poll then getting some sleep?
    Not happening now!
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    I am rich

    Cashed out all bets


    Thanks PB Tories for being so bullish.
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Hats off to Survation

    Gold Standard!

    And maybe the way Momentum packed the panels was by the cunning ruse of converting the electorate...
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,290

    If this is the result we surely be doing all this again fairly shortly?

    By then the Conservatives could be standing on a 'no Brexit' manifesto.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687

    ..how often are these exit polls wrong?!

    Well in 2015 they predicted Con 316, Con ended up on 331
    It could go the other way.

    Tories are relying on Lynton. So so heavily.
  • kle4 said:

    This exit poll is bollocks. This is 1992 all over again.

    How far out was it in 1992? Because unless it is by 50 Con seats, we won't have a result which resulted in a more stable situation than the one we started with.
    they are far more accurate these days
  • TheWhiteRabbit
    TheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    Dadge said:

    Exit poll identical to last time suggests the eventual result will be the same as last time: a small Tory majority.

    Interest in the detail: I'm certain from canvassing in Birmingham that Labour hasn't done very well in the Midlands and North. Therefore Labour has made big % gains in the South and London and some (very) surprising gains. Also, the Tories must've won quite a lot of SNP seats, so the Tories have actually gone backwards in England overall.

    Crazy.

    BBC figures suggest no difference in regional swings.

    However that might be where it is wrong, if it is.
  • DearPB
    DearPB Posts: 439
    Why are they all being so cautious about the exit poll?
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107

    What an unmitigated disaster. The country has gone utterly insane.

    No Theresa is better than a bad Theresa.
  • Bobajob_PB
    Bobajob_PB Posts: 928

    What an unmitigated disaster. The country has gone utterly insane.

    Survation bang on again?
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    edited June 2017
    Remember, the exit poll tends to underestimate the Tories. Could still get a Con majority of 1,2,3,4 or 5. Lol.
  • valleyboy
    valleyboy Posts: 606
    I hope a few of you had a wager on Gower when I tipped Labour at 6/1 3 weeks ago.
    It looks as if I'm quids in and the drinks are on me tonight.
  • stjohn
    stjohn Posts: 1,910
    edited June 2017
    Boris Johnson as PM after the GE - who then gets a new deal with Europe and a 2nd EU referendum?
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Right time to sign off, before I get egg on my face with the increased Tory majority :')
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    Ming Campbell rules out Labour deal with Corbyn or deal with Tories because of hard Brexit, so it looks that if the exit poll is right the Tories will have to agree to a soft Brexit if they want LD support
  • Floater
    Floater Posts: 14,207

    What an unmitigated disaster. The country has gone utterly insane.

    Yes
  • BenedictWhite
    BenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    Is it just me or is this exit poll a lot like 2015?
  • If we pull it off and win FST and that dozy woman failing means another election in the autumn I will be seriously seriously annoyed.
  • Monksfield
    Monksfield Posts: 2,905
    Triumph for You Gov

    Lada for May
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    So when I said Theresa May is a pound shop Gordon Brown and got grief...
  • vik
    vik Posts: 550
    Dadge said:

    Exit poll identical to last time suggests the eventual result will be the same as last time: a small Tory majority.

    Not really.

    The error could have gone the other way this time around.
  • OUT
    OUT Posts: 569
    Sandpit said:

    Betfair now Con 2, Hung 2.1. Which is the value?

    Con
  • Paristonda
    Paristonda Posts: 1,844
    So, looks like the youth have actually turned out then, learnt their lesson after Brexit?
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    Chameleon said:

    Remember, the exit poll tends to underestimate the Tories. Could still get a Con majority of 1,2,3,4 or 5.

    A one-figure majority? :D
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Roger said:

    This exit poll is bollocks. This is 1992 all over again.

    Pessimist! Great news for those who want to destroy Brexit. My French chums won't think we're all shits anymore

    Can you imagine Juncker's face now?

    This would kill off hard Brexit. That's why it can't be right. It would be too good to be true.

  • Typo
    Typo Posts: 195
    Wish I hadn't put that tenner on Hemsworth.
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    Thornbury is pissing herself. She cannot contain her glee. To be fair I'd be the same if I were her.
  • viewcode
    viewcode Posts: 25,202

    ..how often are these exit polls wrong?!

    Well in 2015 they predicted Con 316, Con ended up on 331
    So assuming the same error range, that gives Con range now of 298-329, yes?
  • Mexicanpete
    Mexicanpete Posts: 33,115
    Has this poll been weighted appropriately or should we be adding half a dozen extra points to the Conservatives?
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113

    If this is the result we surely be doing all this again fairly shortly?

    If it is wrong slightly in Tory fabour, they have a narrow majority and can keep going much as they did before. If it is wrong toward Labour's favour, them despite no coalition it will be a progressive alliance arrangement under PM Corbyn.
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    At least we will get Soft Brexit now....
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited June 2017
    rcs1000 said:

    Argyll & Bute, 6-1 LibDem shot. PLEASE.

    Me too!

    SLAB taking Glasgow and Paisley seats will suit my finances nicely. I put a fiver or more on each on SLAB at 10-20.
  • HaroldO
    HaroldO Posts: 1,185

    HaroldO said:

    This is the worst possible result, but all I can see on facebook is "huh, huh at least the Tories won't win". Labour or Tory government is better than no government!

    The people have vindicated May's stance: No government is better than a bad government.
    But it isn't though, passing mediocre laws is better than no laws at all! This isn't a game, we have the shitshow that is Brexit coming up and having a triumvirate government is appalling.
    I would prefer Corbyn or Farron being PM.

  • Pong
    Pong Posts: 4,693
    I think this means Nick Timothy gets his p45.
  • scotslass
    scotslass Posts: 912
    what are the voting percentages of the exit poll over UK and Scotland
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Con need 327 for majority on Betfair.

    Need to outperform Exit by 13.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113

    At least we will get Soft Brexit now....

    No we won't - that wasn't within the gift of the Tories.
  • tyson
    tyson Posts: 6,122

    What an unmitigated disaster. The country has gone utterly insane.

    Not as bad as Brexit Mr Nabavi

  • AndreaParma_82
    AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    North East was supposed to be bad for Labour. So we should get an idea from the swing in Sunderland if exit polls is completely off
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    Wheres Martin Boon

    Hope he gets sacked

    Tosser
  • hunchman
    hunchman Posts: 2,591

    Anyone know what's happening in Putney? Justin Greening could be in trouble?

    Battersea goes on this I would have thought. One of the Swindon seats, both Plymouth seats?
  • JonathanD
    JonathanD Posts: 2,400

    What an unmitigated disaster. The country has gone utterly insane.

    It went insane last June. Tory Brexiteers indulged themselves ahead of the country and are now paying the price.
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045

    What a fucking shit show.....

    R5 presenters can't contain their glee...champagne corks are popping there.

    No matter the actual result, the media are lapping up the possibility of a hung Parliament.
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107

    Roger said:

    This exit poll is bollocks. This is 1992 all over again.

    Pessimist! Great news for those who want to destroy Brexit. My French chums won't think we're all shits anymore

    Can you imagine Juncker's face now?

    This would kill off hard Brexit. That's why it can't be right. It would be too good to be true.

    Yes. We must be patient.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609

    Wheres Martin Boon

    Hope he gets sacked

    Tosser

    Really?
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    Merkel, Macron, and Juncker must be so bloody ecstatic.
  • HaroldO
    HaroldO Posts: 1,185
    kle4 said:

    If this is the result we surely be doing all this again fairly shortly?

    If it is wrong slightly in Tory fabour, they have a narrow majority and can keep going much as they did before. If it is wrong toward Labour's favour, them despite no coalition it will be a progressive alliance arrangement under PM Corbyn.
    And what happens when one single piece of manifesto promise doesn't go through for Labour, there would be anarchy.
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    edited June 2017
    It's Hillary Clinton all over again, isn't it?
  • FattyBolger
    FattyBolger Posts: 299
    I feel like remainers did last year......catastrophe and national humiliation. fuck
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924

    Chris said:

    If this exit poll is right, then it is difficult to see how the Tories can govern on the basis of hard Brexit. So will political expediency prevail, and will the Tories ditch May in favour of someone with a more pragmatic approach? If so, who?

    Soft Brexit now. And May will be gone as soon as politically possible.
    Quite possibly right on both, possibly PM Hammond with LD support he would have a majority but would inevitably be a UKIP surge too and that could put Corbyn in No 10 next time. Politically may be more sensible for the Tories to go into opposition if this exit poll is right, put Boris in as opposition leader on a hard Brexit platform and let Corbyn deal with the EU and agree concessions on immigration, 100 billion euros etc
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    hunchman said:

    Anyone know what's happening in Putney? Justin Greening could be in trouble?

    Battersea goes on this I would have thought. One of the Swindon seats, both Plymouth seats?
    Bristol East too.
  • hunchman
    hunchman Posts: 2,591

    North East was supposed to be bad for Labour. So we should get an idea from the swing in Sunderland if exit polls is completely off

    Could be totally different swing in North from the South. Southampton Itchen almost certainly Labour on this I would have thought.
  • NickPalmer
    NickPalmer Posts: 21,724

    ICM "Gold standard" buried once and for all

    Losers if the poll is confirmed: Mail, Sun, Telegraph, Facebook video creators. How sad!

    The rumour that Rudd is in trouble in Hastings fits with the reports that Labour was doing well in SE and SW.
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Theresa May has vindicated Gordon Brown's decision not to hold an election in 2007

    Vindicated Corbyn's decision to green light the poll too.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    scotslass said:

    what are the voting percentages of the exit poll over UK and Scotland

    They don't do VI, just seats.
  • HaroldO
    HaroldO Posts: 1,185

    I feel like remainers did last year......catastrophe and national humiliation. fuck

    This feels worse, I don't care whom is in government most of the time as long as we have one.
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Pong said:

    I think this means Nick Timothy gets his p45.

    Or hung, drawn and quartered!
  • BigRich
    BigRich Posts: 3,492
    If this is brodly accurat, can we please elect a proper leader for the Conservative party and then have anouther election in 2 mouths?

    P.S. It gives me no joy to say this but about 3 hours ago, I did predict this. Well I posted 335 +/- 20 Seats which is out by 1.
  • Chameleon
    Chameleon Posts: 4,265
    hunchman said:

    Anyone know what's happening in Putney? Justin Greening could be in trouble?

    Battersea goes on this I would have thought. One of the Swindon seats, both Plymouth seats?
    Reading East could be vulnerable.
  • jonny83
    jonny83 Posts: 1,273
    stjohn said:

    Boris Johnson as PM after the GE - who then gets a new deal with Europe and a 2nd EU referendum?

    Boris? Fuck no, the guy is a buffoon. Boris in some of the biggest negotiations for this country in a long time?
  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    DavidL said:

    If this is the result we surely be doing all this again fairly shortly?

    Hopefully with George. What a mess.
    George doing what? Were the voters pining for the return of Osborne to Downing St?
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,733
    edited June 2017
    All may had to do was brexit, immigration, protect the oldies and promise to chuck a bit more cash the nhs...That's all.
  • not_on_fire
    not_on_fire Posts: 4,451
    edited June 2017
    New boundaries must be a goner

  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867

    What an unmitigated disaster. The country has gone utterly insane.

    It really is. No stable government at all and Brexit to negotiate. Total disaster.
  • Theuniondivvie
    Theuniondivvie Posts: 44,327

    dodrade said:

    Scottish Labour in biggest comeback since Lazarus perhaps?

    Literally no sign of this on the ground, but BBC saying treat Scottish numbers with caution.
    Only 10 Scottish constituencies exit polled. Would still be surprised if SNP go below 40.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327

    What an unmitigated disaster. The country has gone utterly insane.

    Yes and no, the Tory campaign was just awful.
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    kle4 said:

    At least we will get Soft Brexit now....

    No we won't - that wasn't within the gift of the Tories.
    Huh? Don't know what you mean there.

    If this exit poll is true, it also shows that people aren't listening to DM and The Sun anymore, which is good news:)
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,290
    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    If this exit poll is right, then it is difficult to see how the Tories can govern on the basis of hard Brexit. So will political expediency prevail, and will the Tories ditch May in favour of someone with a more pragmatic approach? If so, who?

    Soft Brexit now. And May will be gone as soon as politically possible.
    Quite possibly right on both, possibly PM Hammond with LD support he would have a majority but would inevitably be a UKIP surge too and that could put Corbyn in No 10 next time. Politically may be more sensible for the Tories to go into opposition if this exit poll is right, put Boris in as opposition leader on a hard Brexit platform and let Corbyn deal with the EU and agree concessions on immigration, 100 billion euros etc
    You've got to be joking if you think that would be a winner. Brexit is dead in the water.
  • Paristonda
    Paristonda Posts: 1,844
    I can't get over that SNP number, 34?
  • alex.
    alex. Posts: 4,658
    All these people saying "now it's soft Brexit". Could somebody explain what "soft Brexit "means?
  • TOPPING
    TOPPING Posts: 44,060
    atia2 said:

    Delurking to ask how the PB Tories imagined that a campaign this vacuous and this inept would have no electoral consequences? If that were true, we might as well do away with election campaigns altogether.

    I think it was Tory Remainers in the Remain cities that will have been a big factor. People could live with a new policy on social care.
  • GideonWise
    GideonWise Posts: 1,123
    What is the implied swing - does anyone know?
  • Y0kel
    Y0kel Posts: 2,307
    edited June 2017
    You know I heard this sound, like a mass rubbing of hands.

    I think it came from DUP headquarters several miles away.....
  • volcanopete
    volcanopete Posts: 2,078
    Can I recommend Kanga pants for PB Tories whose buttocks have been clenched to an unbearable level.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    alex. said:

    All these people saying "now it's soft Brexit". Could somebody explain what "soft Brexit "means?

    EEA/EFTA.
  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    JonathanD said:

    What an unmitigated disaster. The country has gone utterly insane.

    It went insane last June. Tory Brexiteers indulged themselves ahead of the country and are now paying the price.
    Exactly. Tories shouldn't have treated the country with contempt by putting up such a shite manifesto.

  • TOPPING
    TOPPING Posts: 44,060
    alex. said:

    All these people saying "now it's soft Brexit". Could somebody explain what "soft Brexit "means?

    EEA/EFTA
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    RobD said:

    Wheres Martin Boon

    Hope he gets sacked

    Tosser

    Really?
    Really
  • Pong
    Pong Posts: 4,693
    BREXIT GETS OVERTURNED

    YIPEEEE!!
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    alex. said:

    All these people saying "now it's soft Brexit". Could somebody explain what "soft Brexit "means?

    Remain in the single market and customs union
  • jonny83
    jonny83 Posts: 1,273
    Robert Hutton‏Verified account @RobDotHutton 2m2 minutes ago

    Might the exit poll be wrong? Absolutely, and one way in which it might be is postal ballots.
  • Slackbladder
    Slackbladder Posts: 9,800
    alex. said:

    All these people saying "now it's soft Brexit". Could somebody explain what "soft Brexit "means?

    Nobody knows. Even if it's possible...
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