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As SO said, if the rest of the UK can vote for economic masochism, so can Scotland. If it's about sovereignty, why is Scotland a lesser nation than Ireland? It isn't.MaxPB said:
She won't, because she'll lose. Once it's all shaken out and the anger from the remain side is gone, Scotland is still an oil economy with very high structural public spending in a low oil price environment. If they vote to leave the UK they vote to leave Barnett and the billions that it comes with. Scotland's economy is already facing headwinds, their being in the UK has made most of them go away, as a rich nation they would be paying into the EU rather than receiving subsidies.murali_s said:
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.MaxPB said:
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.Bob__Sykes said:The UK cannot now survive.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?0 -
If the 1983 Labour Manifesto was the longest suicide note in history what is David Cameron's decision to call this referendum?
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It was the cleaner at my office saying she'd voted and tales of morning queues in Whiston from others that made me realise something might be up. My facebook was also a complete sea of remain, and given they'd have voted for Ed Miliband, AV and other stuff - well I thought the polls might be wrong !Lowlander said:
It made a lot of sense. It was quite clear that there was a good chance of differential turnout deciding the outcome and that WWC would be huge turnouts while, in my experience, Scotland would not turn out at all.Pulpstar said:
Heh I should have more confidence in my own tipsLowlander said:
You called it, thanks for that, it made sense and made me about £2000.Pulpstar said:
They don't get out of bed for Ed Miliband.Lowlander said:
No, differential turnout. WWC areas went big on Leave. Those who dont normally vote (completely ignored by polls) went big on Leave.KentRising said:Shy Leavers.
But leaving the EU is a whole different matter...
As soon as I saw how weak the turnout was in my area, it was clear Leave would win but I wouldn't have gone for it (especially my peak time cycle-by) if I hadn't read your posts.0 -
Absolutely. How quickly does the referendum get called now. As soon as October?!John_M said:
Well, the Scots will be voting to become an EU minnow, it's hardly independence. However, if that's what they want, then they should be allowed to do so.SouthamObserver said:
If the English can vote for economic self harm, why not the Scots?murali_s said:
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.MaxPB said:
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.Bob__Sykes said:The UK cannot now survive.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?0 -
Anyone know what turnout is presently? BBC seem to have stopped showing it.0
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Lets have that GBPUSD 1.32 handle!0
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I see people are once again quoting part of Chesterton's poem while for some reason omitting the interesting lines:
- But the squire seemed struck in the saddle; he was foolish, as if in pain.
He leaned on a staggering lawyer, he clutched a cringing Jew0 -
Ireland will reaply to join the UK once we are free of the EU.williamglenn said:
As SO said, if the rest of the UK can vote for economic masochism, so can Scotland. If it's about sovereignty, why is Scotland a lesser nation than Ireland? It isn't.MaxPB said:
She won't, because she'll lose. Once it's all shaken out and the anger from the remain side is gone, Scotland is still an oil economy with very high structural public spending in a low oil price environment. If they vote to leave the UK they vote to leave Barnett and the billions that it comes with. Scotland's economy is already facing headwinds, their being in the UK has made most of them go away, as a rich nation they would be paying into the EU rather than receiving subsidies.murali_s said:
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.MaxPB said:
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.Bob__Sykes said:The UK cannot now survive.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?0 -
They vote for what they want! While I prefer we'd stay together, it's ultimately up to them.williamglenn said:
As SO said, if the rest of the UK can vote for economic masochism, so can Scotland. If it's about sovereignty, why is Scotland a lesser nation than Ireland? It isn't.MaxPB said:
She won't, because she'll lose. Once it's all shaken out and the anger from the remain side is gone, Scotland is still an oil economy with very high structural public spending in a low oil price environment. If they vote to leave the UK they vote to leave Barnett and the billions that it comes with. Scotland's economy is already facing headwinds, their being in the UK has made most of them go away, as a rich nation they would be paying into the EU rather than receiving subsidies.murali_s said:
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.MaxPB said:
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.Bob__Sykes said:The UK cannot now survive.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?
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I must admit I thought yesterday when so many people on here said they had voted Leave that something was up.BigIan said:
All the PBers tactically voting Leave so the Remain margin wouldn't be too high.Sunil_Prasannan said:
No, it was The Sunil wot won it!FrancisUrquhart said:So it was the sun wot won it right?
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Just woken up again. Did I miss anything?0
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No it won'tDavid_Evershed said:
Ireland will reaply to join the UK once we are free of the EU.williamglenn said:
As SO said, if the rest of the UK can vote for economic masochism, so can Scotland. If it's about sovereignty, why is Scotland a lesser nation than Ireland? It isn't.MaxPB said:
She won't, because she'll lose. Once it's all shaken out and the anger from the remain side is gone, Scotland is still an oil economy with very high structural public spending in a low oil price environment. If they vote to leave the UK they vote to leave Barnett and the billions that it comes with. Scotland's economy is already facing headwinds, their being in the UK has made most of them go away, as a rich nation they would be paying into the EU rather than receiving subsidies.murali_s said:
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.MaxPB said:
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.Bob__Sykes said:The UK cannot now survive.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?0 -
The rump UK can declare an international border which has not existed for 215 years or let Scotland vote for Independence without consequence. Its a hard choice for Dave's successor.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Both the Republic and the UK are outside Schengen, and have their own Common Travel Area.viewcode said:
As soon as the Ireland/Northern Ireland border becomes a UK/EU border, then the question of hw to resolve it becomes rather pressing. And as previous discussions n this board have shown, the UK does not know how to resolve itedmundintokyo said:
Would they have any chance of winning that? I know the demographic have been moving in their direction but aren't they still a fair way off?viewcode said:03:59
Declan Kearney, a Northern Ireland Assembly member for Sinn Féin, says his party will push for a poll on whether Northern Ireland should stay in the UK or unite with the Republic of Ireland if the UK votes to leave the EU. He says it will be "completely undemocratic" if the majority of people in Northern Ireland vote Remain but are "drawn out of the EU as a result of being carried on the coat-tails" of voters in England. "Sinn Féin will continue to press... for a border poll under the provisions of the Good Friday Agreement, because this (EU Referendum) will demonstrate palpably a dramatic change in the political landscape of the north," he says.
Declan Kearney
BBC h ttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120
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Note that Schengen INCLUDES non-EU members like Iceland and Switzerland.0 -
Erm, empire is not coming back, soz. Who would vote to shoot themselves in the foot in the way GBP/FTSE has gone?David_Evershed said:
Ireland will reaply to join the UK once we are free of the EU.williamglenn said:
As SO said, if the rest of the UK can vote for economic masochism, so can Scotland. If it's about sovereignty, why is Scotland a lesser nation than Ireland? It isn't.MaxPB said:
She won't, because she'll lose. Once it's all shaken out and the anger from the remain side is gone, Scotland is still an oil economy with very high structural public spending in a low oil price environment. If they vote to leave the UK they vote to leave Barnett and the billions that it comes with. Scotland's economy is already facing headwinds, their being in the UK has made most of them go away, as a rich nation they would be paying into the EU rather than receiving subsidies.murali_s said:
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.MaxPB said:
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.Bob__Sykes said:The UK cannot now survive.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?0 -
Because 55% of them just voted to stay in the union and since then oil prices have crashed.williamglenn said:
As SO said, if the rest of the UK can vote for economic masochism, so can Scotland. If it's about sovereignty, why is Scotland a lesser nation than Ireland? It isn't.MaxPB said:
She won't, because she'll lose. Once it's all shaken out and the anger from the remain side is gone, Scotland is still an oil economy with very high structural public spending in a low oil price environment. If they vote to leave the UK they vote to leave Barnett and the billions that it comes with. Scotland's economy is already facing headwinds, their being in the UK has made most of them go away, as a rich nation they would be paying into the EU rather than receiving subsidies.murali_s said:
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.MaxPB said:
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.Bob__Sykes said:The UK cannot now survive.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?0 -
Morning Boris...nope nothing exciting...go back to bed.Augustine said:Just woken up again. Did I miss anything?
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They did indeed.Concanvasser said:Paul. Good morning from a free Bedordshire. Chestertons people did it.
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Most Unionist majority seats voted LEAVE, the Nationalist majority seats voted REMAIN.Sean_F said:
Northern Ireland only voted narrowly to Remain. They aren't going to join the Republic.viewcode said:
As soon as the Ireland/Northern Ireland border becomes a UK/EU border, then the question of hw to resolve it becomes rather pressing. And as previous discussions n this board have shown, the UK does not know how to resolve itedmundintokyo said:
Would they have any chance of winning that? I know the demographic have been moving in their direction but aren't they still a fair way off?viewcode said:03:59
Declan Kearney, a Northern Ireland Assembly member for Sinn Féin, says his party will push for a poll on whether Northern Ireland should stay in the UK or unite with the Republic of Ireland if the UK votes to leave the EU. He says it will be "completely undemocratic" if the majority of people in Northern Ireland vote Remain but are "drawn out of the EU as a result of being carried on the coat-tails" of voters in England. "Sinn Féin will continue to press... for a border poll under the provisions of the Good Friday Agreement, because this (EU Referendum) will demonstrate palpably a dramatic change in the political landscape of the north," he says.
Declan Kearney
BBC h ttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120
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Maybe if we abolished the monarchy and implemented a Federal British Isles, but that's hardly on the cards, is it?David_Evershed said:
Ireland will reaply to join the UK once we are free of the EU.williamglenn said:
As SO said, if the rest of the UK can vote for economic masochism, so can Scotland. If it's about sovereignty, why is Scotland a lesser nation than Ireland? It isn't.MaxPB said:
She won't, because she'll lose. Once it's all shaken out and the anger from the remain side is gone, Scotland is still an oil economy with very high structural public spending in a low oil price environment. If they vote to leave the UK they vote to leave Barnett and the billions that it comes with. Scotland's economy is already facing headwinds, their being in the UK has made most of them go away, as a rich nation they would be paying into the EU rather than receiving subsidies.murali_s said:
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.MaxPB said:
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.Bob__Sykes said:The UK cannot now survive.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?0 -
The whole idea of a second Scottish independence referendum is just shit talk.0
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Brexit intensifies case for vote on United Ireland - Sinn Fein0
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So I guess the Euro really is off the table now?
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I'm off to catch a few hours sleep before work.
Good night all and good night the EU.
What a night! This will be one hell of a 10 hour thread of posts on PB to look back on in the years to come!0 -
The most bitter suicide note in history.JennyFreeman said:If the 1983 Labour Manifesto was the longest suicide note in history what is David Cameron's decision to call this referendum?
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To be fair this is a big event. Who cares about the results now it's been called?KentRising said:0 -
Local radio was reporting South Yorkshire as 85% Leave on Wednesday morning.Pulpstar said:
It was the cleaner at my office saying she'd voted and tales of morning queues in Whiston from others that made me realise something might be up. My facebook was also a complete sea of remain, and given they'd have voted for Ed Miliband, AV and other stuff - well I thought the polls might be wrong !Lowlander said:
It made a lot of sense. It was quite clear that there was a good chance of differential turnout deciding the outcome and that WWC would be huge turnouts while, in my experience, Scotland would not turn out at all.Pulpstar said:
Heh I should have more confidence in my own tipsLowlander said:
You called it, thanks for that, it made sense and made me about £2000.Pulpstar said:
They don't get out of bed for Ed Miliband.Lowlander said:
No, differential turnout. WWC areas went big on Leave. Those who dont normally vote (completely ignored by polls) went big on Leave.KentRising said:Shy Leavers.
But leaving the EU is a whole different matter...
As soon as I saw how weak the turnout was in my area, it was clear Leave would win but I wouldn't have gone for it (especially my peak time cycle-by) if I hadn't read your posts.
Sure it was a voodoo poll but ...
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I think Lucas is spot on (for once) that we'll probably change the voting system.
Let the AV threads commence!0 -
Haha :-)Lowlander said:
The most bitter suicide note in history.JennyFreeman said:If the 1983 Labour Manifesto was the longest suicide note in history what is David Cameron's decision to call this referendum?
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Very true. The SNP now needs to decide whether it wants to put to the test whether Scotland wishes to remain in a union of 41 years or one of 309 years. If Scotland votes to leave the UK then that's up to them and good luck. Personally, I think they would stay in the UK but we shall see...williamglenn said:
As SO said, if the rest of the UK can vote for economic masochism, so can Scotland. If it's about sovereignty, why is Scotland a lesser nation than Ireland? It isn't.MaxPB said:
She won't, because she'll lose. Once it's all shaken out and the anger from the remain side is gone, Scotland is still an oil economy with very high structural public spending in a low oil price environment. If they vote to leave the UK they vote to leave Barnett and the billions that it comes with. Scotland's economy is already facing headwinds, their being in the UK has made most of them go away, as a rich nation they would be paying into the EU rather than receiving subsidies.murali_s said:
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.MaxPB said:
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.Bob__Sykes said:The UK cannot now survive.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?0 -
AV! AV!0
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Since then the Sterling price has crashed and the British have committed political harikari. The world is different today, is it not?MaxPB said:
Because 55% of them just voted to stay in the union and since then oil prices have crashed.williamglenn said:
As SO said, if the rest of the UK can vote for economic masochism, so can Scotland. If it's about sovereignty, why is Scotland a lesser nation than Ireland? It isn't.MaxPB said:
She won't, because she'll lose. Once it's all shaken out and the anger from the remain side is gone, Scotland is still an oil economy with very high structural public spending in a low oil price environment. If they vote to leave the UK they vote to leave Barnett and the billions that it comes with. Scotland's economy is already facing headwinds, their being in the UK has made most of them go away, as a rich nation they would be paying into the EU rather than receiving subsidies.murali_s said:
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.MaxPB said:
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.Bob__Sykes said:The UK cannot now survive.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?0 -
New Cabinet
PM - Johnson
Chancellor - Gove
Business - Ledsome
Home - Grayling
Foreign - Hammond0 -
There was a cracking AV debate at 3AM that you will really kick yourself for not staying up all night forAugustine said:Just woken up again. Did I miss anything?
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Caroline Lucas is upset at the result.0
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Might be a catalyst for an actual constitutional convention?numbertwelve said:I think Lucas is spot on (for once) that we'll probably change the voting system.
Let the AV threads commence!0 -
I'm a bit glum and serious at the moment. Granted I've been up for 24 hours, but I've always been able to eschew any responsibility for anything not going well by voting for losers. Despite all my arguments, I hope it was clear I thought long and hard about what to do, and even when voting I took a good 20 seconds to really consider my options, apparently I didn't really believe Leave would win as I feel a little shell shocked, and now have nowhere to hide should things go poorly, which given the people about to take over as PM at a time of turmoil, will certainly occur in the short term at least. Sobering.
But likely for the best in the long run - the EU wants things we don't, it's irreconcilable.0 -
355/382 declared - Leave 15882960, Remain 14753634RobD said:
To be fair this is a big event. Who cares about the results now it's been called?KentRising said:0 -
Has Scott_Paste gone for reprogramming ?
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People just voted in a manner where they knew the result of their vote would be currency and stock market crashes. Logic and referendums do not mix.MaxPB said:
Because 55% of them just voted to stay in the union and since then oil prices have crashed.williamglenn said:
As SO said, if the rest of the UK can vote for economic masochism, so can Scotland. If it's about sovereignty, why is Scotland a lesser nation than Ireland? It isn't.MaxPB said:
She won't, because she'll lose. Once it's all shaken out and the anger from the remain side is gone, Scotland is still an oil economy with very high structural public spending in a low oil price environment. If they vote to leave the UK they vote to leave Barnett and the billions that it comes with. Scotland's economy is already facing headwinds, their being in the UK has made most of them go away, as a rich nation they would be paying into the EU rather than receiving subsidies.murali_s said:
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.MaxPB said:
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.Bob__Sykes said:The UK cannot now survive.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?
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She really is isn't she?SimonStClare said:Caroline Lucas is upset at the result.
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Don't forget monty Hall problem discussion.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
There was a cracking AV debate at 3AM that you will really kick yourself for not staying up all night forAugustine said:Just woken up again. Did I miss anything?
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And if the Article 50 negotiations don't take full account of the Republican position, what happens next?Tim_B said:Brexit intensifies case for vote on United Ireland - Sinn Fein
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FULL results here:Tim_B said:
355/382 declared - Leave 15882960, Remain 14753634RobD said:
To be fair this is a big event. Who cares about the results now it's been called?KentRising said:
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Some Green woman named Lucas (?) says the EU was just a proxy in this vote.
I won't even attempt to parse what that means.0 -
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And English and Welsh voters have decided to take the UK out of the EU. Everything has changed.MaxPB said:
Because 55% of them just voted to stay in the union and since then oil prices have crashed.williamglenn said:
As SO said, if the rest of the UK can vote for economic masochism, so can Scotland. If it's about sovereignty, why is Scotland a lesser nation than Ireland? It isn't.MaxPB said:
She won't, because she'll lose. Once it's all shaken out and the anger from the remain side is gone, Scotland is still an oil economy with very high structural public spending in a low oil price environment. If they vote to leave the UK they vote to leave Barnett and the billions that it comes with. Scotland's economy is already facing headwinds, their being in the UK has made most of them go away, as a rich nation they would be paying into the EU rather than receiving subsidies.murali_s said:
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.MaxPB said:
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.Bob__Sykes said:The UK cannot now survive.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?
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Sinn Fein saying they want a referendum on removal of border if we leave EU0
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Brexit bingo - Carolien Lucas calls it as a victory for snake oil!0
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Not sure how welcome Jenny Jones will be at the next Green party meeting !GIN1138 said:0 -
I propose that every election should be a binary choice. Concentrates the mind.numbertwelve said:I think Lucas is spot on (for once) that we'll probably change the voting system.
Let the AV threads commence!0 -
A place for Gisela and Kate if they want it?David_Evershed said:New Cabinet
PM - Johnson
Chancellor - Gove
Business - Ledsome
Home - Grayling
Foreign - Hammond0 -
What's all this "if" about.marke09 said:Sinn Fein saying they want a referendum on removal of border if we leave EU
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Major problems comTim_B said:Brexit intensifies case for vote on United Ireland - Sinn Fein
That is wild and utter fantasy.EPG said:
Erm, empire is not coming back, soz. Who would vote to shoot themselves in the foot in the way GBP/FTSE has gone?David_Evershed said:
Ireland will reaply to join the UK once we are free of the EU.williamglenn said:
As SO said, if the rest of the UK can vote for economic masochism, so can Scotland. If it's about sovereignty, why is Scotland a lesser nation than Ireland? It isn't.MaxPB said:
She won't, because she'll lose. Once it's all shaken out and the anger from the remain side is gone, Scotland is still an oil economy with very high structural public spending in a low oil price environment. If they vote to leave the UK they vote to leave Barnett and the billions that it comes with. Scotland's economy is already facing headwinds, their being in the UK has made most of them go away, as a rich nation they would be paying into the EU rather than receiving subsidies.murali_s said:
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.MaxPB said:
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.Bob__Sykes said:The UK cannot now survive.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
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But why can't you work with us to make a better country instead of sniping from the sidelines.SouthamObserver said:
Yep, the people have spoken. It is now encumbent on Leave to deliver on the promises they've made.nunu said:
It really is. Ignore the people at your peril. There was anelection and now we have a result.rottenborough said:BBC now saying it's democracy. I'm sorry but that is bollocks.
This could actually be good for progressive politics because the establishment tried to scare the shit out of everyone saying change is bad, and you can't ever change anything, the same thing the Tories always do to the left and in particular Labour at every GE and the public often buy it. But now you have an example where people can overcome fear and make their own minds up.0 -
If I fall asleep can someone keep reminding people including Mike that one pollster, namely the one for EU.Leave which we think was Survation, got this absolutely spot on. And they didn't poll on voting day: it was conducted in the two days before.0
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Oh God, these Labour people really need to accept and respect the result.
Even IF things do go tits-up, the public still aren't going to take well to people who just sit there saying "told you so".0 -
The turnout reports really made a difference. Obviously I was able to measure the Scottish turnout myself (to an extent) but all those reports of huge turnout in WWC areas made it much easier to stake large sums on Leave.another_richard said:
Local radio was reporting South Yorkshire as 85% Leave on Wednesday morning.Pulpstar said:
It was the cleaner at my office saying she'd voted and tales of morning queues in Whiston from others that made me realise something might be up. My facebook was also a complete sea of remain, and given they'd have voted for Ed Miliband, AV and other stuff - well I thought the polls might be wrong !Lowlander said:
It made a lot of sense. It was quite clear that there was a good chance of differential turnout deciding the outcome and that WWC would be huge turnouts while, in my experience, Scotland would not turn out at all.Pulpstar said:
Heh I should have more confidence in my own tipsLowlander said:
You called it, thanks for that, it made sense and made me about £2000.Pulpstar said:
They don't get out of bed for Ed Miliband.Lowlander said:
No, differential turnout. WWC areas went big on Leave. Those who dont normally vote (completely ignored by polls) went big on Leave.KentRising said:Shy Leavers.
But leaving the EU is a whole different matter...
As soon as I saw how weak the turnout was in my area, it was clear Leave would win but I wouldn't have gone for it (especially my peak time cycle-by) if I hadn't read your posts.
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God help the markets!David_Evershed said:New Cabinet
PM - Johnson
Chancellor - Gove
Business - Ledsome
Home - Grayling
Foreign - Hammond
Surely someone with more gravitas as PM and someone with economic credentials as treasurer. Those two positions are make or break.
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Sure we are going to still hear lots of racist & little Englander smears.AndrewSpencer said:Brexit bingo - Carolien Lucas calls it as a victory for snake oil!
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By the time they can get another referendum it's not going to be as bad and who knows what the EU will look like.williamglenn said:
Since then the Sterling price has crashed and the British have committed political harikari. The world is different today, is it not?MaxPB said:
Because 55% of them just voted to stay in the union and since then oil prices have crashed.williamglenn said:
As SO said, if the rest of the UK can vote for economic masochism, so can Scotland. If it's about sovereignty, why is Scotland a lesser nation than Ireland? It isn't.MaxPB said:
She won't, because she'll lose. Once it's all shaken out and the anger from the remain side is gone, Scotland is still an oil economy with very high structural public spending in a low oil price environment. If they vote to leave the UK they vote to leave Barnett and the billions that it comes with. Scotland's economy is already facing headwinds, their being in the UK has made most of them go away, as a rich nation they would be paying into the EU rather than receiving subsidies.murali_s said:
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.MaxPB said:
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.Bob__Sykes said:The UK cannot now survive.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
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I don't see why it's relevant in any case. You can speculate that people were really voting about Cameron if you like, or the Tories, or whatever, but the vast majority of electors can read and the question on the ballot paper was still there, so whatever their motivations for doing so, it doesn't matter.Tim_B said:Some Green woman named Lucas (?) says the EU was just a proxy in this vote.
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I think Leadsom would be a good choice for EU negotiator, or Chancellor.David_Evershed said:New Cabinet
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Chancellor - Gove
Business - Ledsome
Home - Grayling
Foreign - Hammond
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That is sorely needed. Not that he has the authority to do so, but Cameron should call one to resolve a whole host of issues so that when we leave formally we are in a better state.RobD said:
Might be a catalyst for an actual constitutional convention?numbertwelve said:I think Lucas is spot on (for once) that we'll probably change the voting system.
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The people have voted the right way for the wrong reasons.
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I haven't been on the winning side since 2005!kle4 said:I'm a bit glum and serious at the moment. Granted I've been up for 24 hours, but I've always been able to eschew any responsibility for anything not going well by voting for losers. Despite all my arguments, I hope it was clear I thought long and hard about what to do, and even when voting I took a good 20 seconds to really consider my options, apparently I didn't really believe Leave would win as I feel a little shell shocked, and now have nowhere to hide should things go poorly, which given the people about to take over as PM at a time of turmoil, will certainly occur in the short term at least. Sobering.
But likely for the best in the long run - the EU wants things we don't, it's irreconcilable.
You are right that Leave owns what happens now, but you made an honest, heartfelt decision. That is a good thing.
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We never had open borders with the EU.williamglenn said:0 -
Exactly. They work for us, if they they don't want to do the job then they can **** off.Danny565 said:Oh God, these Labour people really need to accept and respect the result.
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Nonsense. They are doing their job - the vote is won and they are discussing what happens next. The story moves on.David_Evershed said:0 -
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Bad Al now asking why did we have the referendum in the first place, LOL0
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So who will pick the strawberries now ?0
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Yep, think the BBC coverage has been okay.AndrewSpencer said:
Nonsense. They are doing their job - the vote is won and they are discussing what happens next. The story moves on.David_Evershed said:0 -
Anyone want to spare a thought for Wollaston and Warsi ?
And all those Tories who have been licking Osborne's arse for years
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Lol. Bad al is sad that "we ever had this referendum". Not that it went Leave, he is pissed we even had it. Pathetic creep.0
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Same people who do now. Either immigration will.remain largely unchanged or they will be allowed to come to work for the season then go home.surbiton said:So who will pick the strawberries now ?
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I see the £ is still tanking - checked 5 minutes ago $1.34 - it's just lost another cents....0
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Was that point forcefully made by the Leave campaign?MaxPB said:
We never had open borders with the EU.williamglenn said:0 -
England just voted to withdraw from an international organisation. I think that for little Englander there is at least a valid case to be made? Of course, maybe Sunderland wants England to be a Singaporean ultracapitalist free-trading nation. lolFrancisUrquhart said:
Sure we are going to still hear lots of racist & little Englander smears.AndrewSpencer said:Brexit bingo - Carolien Lucas calls it as a victory for snake oil!
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I can't imagine what this ideal electorate would look like. Rational. Focused. Able to put all other considerations aside except for THIS ONE QUESTION. No thought for children, husbands, wives, community. Primed with all the information, having thoroughly mastered the problem domain...I can't see it working with human beings. They need to replace us all with robots forthwith.kle4 said:
I don't see why it's relevant in any case. You can speculate that people were really voting about Cameron if you like, or the Tories, or whatever, but the vast majority of electors can read and the question on the ballot paper was still there, so whatever their motivations for doing so, it doesn't matter.Tim_B said:Some Green woman named Lucas (?) says the EU was just a proxy in this vote.
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Does UKIP disband now? They've achieved their goal.0
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The negotiators must also be in the positions of power in the Cabinet or will not have the right authority to negotiate and will be undermined.anotherDave said:
I think Leadsom would be a good choice for EU negotiator, or Chancellor.David_Evershed said:New Cabinet
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Chancellor - Gove
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Laura Kuenssberg ✔ @bbclaurak
One source tells me Gove and Boris negotiating the terms of Cameron's departure - only one source
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So I wake up to this...
UK polling industry 1935 ish - 2016 RIP?0 -
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Laters,
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The same people who currently pick them. The consequences of the lack of promised change are enormous.surbiton said:So who will pick the strawberries now ?
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