Theory - Cameron has spent the campaign getting big business and organisations to endorse remain. The majority of people, especially outside the SE, work for small / medium enterprises who complain the most about eu redtape & stupid regs.
This is a Greek style OXI referendum. People vote against austerity with the guarantee that in doing so they will get more of it.
But democracy must be respected. It can't and shouldn't protect people from stupid decisions. So Article 50 here we come and we'll hopefully make the best of the options open to us.
Best political night of my life. Beats even 2015 - and by a great distance.
WE WON
Tired. Happy. Apprehensive. I've waited 41 years to get my say on the EU. I agree with you, if Labour hadn't ducked the referendum over Lisbon, this wouldn't have happened.
Dumfries in. Every single local authority area in Scotland voted remain. This will put huge pressure on Nicola to act.
Shetland voted Leave but if Scotland goes so be it, England and Wales have made their decision for Leave, Scotland for Remain, no point preserving a Union now broken
Wonder if some of those EU leaders are starting to regret making any concessions to the UK as they face the loss of their second-largest net contributor?
News reader on Beeb sounding like a funeral dirge.
BBC and ITV in funeral mode.
I don't think BBC are in funeral mood, they are just reporting it and recognising enormity of this.
Get used to it, this is the kind of paranoia that motivates the Nats who are now in charge.
I think we're all used to criticism of BBC - fair to say that privately I guess a lot of them will be devastated by this but my view, as a Leaver, that Dimbleby and co have been throughly professional in handling it.
How apt that the great 309 year cycle of the rise and fall of civilisations strikes again, as it has done throughout history. 1st May 1707 was the coming of the Union between Scotland and England. The 309.6 year cycle projected 5th /6th December for a major major change. Well its arrived 5.5 months early.
Wonder if some of those EU leaders are starting to regret making any concessions to the UK as they face the loss of their second-largest net contributor?
Concessions? They're more likely to be furious that Cameron told them it would be a formality and they just needed to go through the charade to create a narrative for the UK media.
This is a Greek style OXI referendum. People vote against austerity with the guarantee that in doing so they will get more of it.
But democracy must be respected. It can't and shouldn't protect people from stupid decisions. So Article 50 here we come and we'll hopefully make the best of the options open to us.
"The majority have no right to do wrong!" - Eamonn de Valera, 1922.
News reader on Beeb sounding like a funeral dirge.
The media in London really don't understand what the F just happened!
It's ****ing hilarious, but so clearly demonstrates precisely why the vote has turned out the way it has.
John Harris did warn the bubble what was about to happen.
My own experience over last few weeks campaigning for Remain in Notts is that this was no surprise.
Plaudits to John Harris.
It was a really outstanding and honest piece of journalism by John Harris. Got out the metropolitan office away from his Metropolitan colleagues and did great illuminating work in the field.
Working class Labour voters must have gone massively for Leave.
That was obvious when Sunderland and Newcastle came in. It was equally obvious that they were being excluded (or their effect downgraded) from the opinion polls.
Well, not the result I wanted personally, but you can't deny the will of the people freely expressed... Britain must now harness all its talents and show that we can be a beacon for progressive capitalism... open our doors to the very brightest from around the world... cut business taxes and invest aggressively in the infrastructure to support entrepreneurs... redouble efforts to improve education and smash class barriers to potential... sharpen incentives to work but protect the less able... and above all get out there and sell our product, skills and knowledge in every corner of the world...
News reader on Beeb sounding like a funeral dirge.
BBC and ITV in funeral mode.
I don't think BBC are in funeral mood, they are just reporting it and recognising enormity of this.
Get used to it, this is the kind of paranoia that motivates the Nats who are now in charge.
I think we're all used to criticism of BBC - fair to say that privately I guess a lot of them will be devastated by this but my view, as a Leaver, that Dimbleby and co have been throughly professional in handling it.
I spoke too soon. Apparently both the media AND pollsters are unbellyfeeling oldthinkers from London who don't understand decent people. London is the new Babylon.
Wonder if some of those EU leaders are starting to regret making any concessions to the UK as they face the loss of their second-largest net contributor?
Concessions? They're more likely to be furious that Cameron told them it would be a formality and they just needed to go through the charade to create a narrative for the UK media.
Well, not the result I wanted personally, but you can't deny the will of the people freely expressed... Britain must now harness all its talents and show that we can be a beacon for progressive capitalism... open our doors to the very brightest from around the world... cut business taxes and invest aggressively in the infrastructure to support entrepreneurs... redouble efforts to improve education and smash class barriers to potential... sharpen incentives to work but protect the less able... and above all get out there and sell our product, skills and knowledge in every corner of the world...
Cameron can't resign given current market panic - silence from Gove and Boris and Tory-led Vote Leave is telling. They will be working to shore up a definite message to calm things down.
Corbyn hasn't been kept in by support from the traditional Labour voters who went Out. He's been kept in by support from London members and Three Quidders and Trafe Union leaders. They will blame Corbyn for this. He looks very vulnerable to me.
This is the best chance for a coup that Labour MPs will ever likely have, Corbyn's indifference in this referendum will have annoyed Labour's strongly Pro EU membership. The high chance of an imminent election and possible right wing Tory opponents could also focus minds.
Again though, where is the evidence that any of the alternatives would be better than Corbyn? The "moderates" like Chuka Umunna, Liz Kendall and all the other Blairites have been some of the main leaders of the Britain Stronger In Europe campaign, and thus have just demonstrated how little feel for public opinion they have too.
I still think that Labour can only win on an economic left-wing prospectus: that is the only even slight prospect of uniting the middle-class idealists of London and Cambridge and Oxford, with the working-class voters in the North who are open to economic left-wing policies if it furthers their own self-interest.
But if Labour tries to make culturally liberal issues like immigration and Europe their main raison d'etre (which is essentially what the Blairites want, while pretty much accepting the Tory consensus on economic issues), then they will get slaughtered. Labour's middle-class support and their working-class support are COMPLETELY split on cultural issues, in a way that they are not to anywhere near the same extent on economic issues.
This is a Greek style OXI referendum. People vote against austerity with the guarantee that in doing so they will get more of it.
But democracy must be respected. It can't and shouldn't protect people from stupid decisions. So Article 50 here we come and we'll hopefully make the best of the options open to us.
"The majority have no right to do wrong!" - Eamonn de Valera, 1922.
News reader on Beeb sounding like a funeral dirge.
The media in London really don't understand what the F just happened!
It's ****ing hilarious, but so clearly demonstrates precisely why the vote has turned out the way it has.
John Harris did warn the bubble what was about to happen.
My own experience over last few weeks campaigning for Remain in Notts is that this was no surprise.
Plaudits to John Harris.
Perhaps John harris should just become a pollster....seems a right out Moneymaker...£500k to be 12% out in a two horse race.
John Harris went to Stoke-on-Trent and found 10 Leave voters for every Remain voter. When I saw that I thought it's going to be difficult for Remain to win.
03:59 Declan Kearney, a Northern Ireland Assembly member for Sinn Féin, says his party will push for a poll on whether Northern Ireland should stay in the UK or unite with the Republic of Ireland if the UK votes to leave the EU. He says it will be "completely undemocratic" if the majority of people in Northern Ireland vote Remain but are "drawn out of the EU as a result of being carried on the coat-tails" of voters in England. "Sinn Féin will continue to press... for a border poll under the provisions of the Good Friday Agreement, because this (EU Referendum) will demonstrate palpably a dramatic change in the political landscape of the north," he says.
Declan Kearney BBC h ttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120
What I can't work out is that weeks ago, Labour MPs were reporting back in shock that they were getting a kicking on the doorsteps. And the postals were horrible. But then, they rowed back and it seemed everything was ginger peachy and ever so ever so nice.
Well, back from the count, and I can see I called it pretty much right.
Now confronting the Wollaston question, how do I feel:
Honestly, a part of me is a little bit sad. The EU or something like it, was not a bad idea in some ways. I don't like being cynical, and some part of me would have liked to have been pleasantly surprised and to discover the EU was capable of changing, to become something better.
But ultimately what's happened is the inevitability of an organization incapable of justifying its own existence to too many people for too long. If it is so great, then it should be capable of overcoming the obstacles it faced.
On the downside, now some real chaos will begin, particularly as what many voters want and what many leaver politicians want are not the same thing.
And for me personally, people senior to me at work are amazed and devastated at this result, cannot believe anyone would do this. So looks like I will have to work damn hard to avoid indicating how I voted, or lie.
03:59 Declan Kearney, a Northern Ireland Assembly member for Sinn Féin, says his party will push for a poll on whether Northern Ireland should stay in the UK or unite with the Republic of Ireland if the UK votes to leave the EU. He says it will be "completely undemocratic" if the majority of people in Northern Ireland vote Remain but are "drawn out of the EU as a result of being carried on the coat-tails" of voters in England. "Sinn Féin will continue to press... for a border poll under the provisions of the Good Friday Agreement, because this (EU Referendum) will demonstrate palpably a dramatic change in the political landscape of the north," he says.
Declan Kearney BBC h ttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120
Well, not the result I wanted personally, but you can't deny the will of the people freely expressed... Britain must now harness all its talents and show that we can be a beacon for progressive capitalism... open our doors to the very brightest from around the world... cut business taxes and invest aggressively in the infrastructure to support entrepreneurs... redouble efforts to improve education and smash class barriers to potential... sharpen incentives to work but protect the less able... and above all get out there and sell our product, skills and knowledge in every corner of the world...
You may be right. However, I don't quite know if it is what those voters in Sunderland and the Valleys were looking for. I think they wanted the pain to stop.
Working class Labour voters must have gone massively for Leave.
Such a stupid idea to have Cameron and Osborne front a campaign that needed Labour voters more than any other party.... Inept. But REMAIN never listened.
Cameron can't resign given current market panic - silence from Gove and Boris and Tory-led Vote Leave is telling. They will be working to shore up a definite message to calm things down.
Well he can... I mean if he wants to resign and drive off today nobody can stop him. Eden went like that...
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It's rootless cosmopolitans versus decent people from now on. And when LEAVE fails to satisfy the latter? Prepare.
And to kick the boot in, our winnings are worth less.
YIPPEEE!
Their only hope is a Labour government which is now very possible in the next few months.
Undeniable message - we are OUT. Goodbye Brussels.
Not bad I think!
http://uk.investing.com/currencies/gbp-usd
You break it, you own it.
Almost identical doors...
Where's Monty Hall?
I still think that Labour can only win on an economic left-wing prospectus: that is the only even slight prospect of uniting the middle-class idealists of London and Cambridge and Oxford, with the working-class voters in the North who are open to economic left-wing policies if it furthers their own self-interest.
But if Labour tries to make culturally liberal issues like immigration and Europe their main raison d'etre (which is essentially what the Blairites want, while pretty much accepting the Tory consensus on economic issues), then they will get slaughtered. Labour's middle-class support and their working-class support are COMPLETELY split on cultural issues, in a way that they are not to anywhere near the same extent on economic issues.
Half the population who've been ignored or want a more compassionate society have found a common cause.
And they've won. How is that wrong?
Declan Kearney, a Northern Ireland Assembly member for Sinn Féin, says his party will push for a poll on whether Northern Ireland should stay in the UK or unite with the Republic of Ireland if the UK votes to leave the EU. He says it will be "completely undemocratic" if the majority of people in Northern Ireland vote Remain but are "drawn out of the EU as a result of being carried on the coat-tails" of voters in England. "Sinn Féin will continue to press... for a border poll under the provisions of the Good Friday Agreement, because this (EU Referendum) will demonstrate palpably a dramatic change in the political landscape of the north," he says.
Declan Kearney
BBC h ttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120
Ooops.
WTF happened???
Now confronting the Wollaston question, how do I feel:
Honestly, a part of me is a little bit sad. The EU or something like it, was not a bad idea in some ways. I don't like being cynical, and some part of me would have liked to have been pleasantly surprised and to discover the EU was capable of changing, to become something better.
But ultimately what's happened is the inevitability of an organization incapable of justifying its own existence to too many people for too long. If it is so great, then it should be capable of overcoming the obstacles it faced.
On the downside, now some real chaos will begin, particularly as what many voters want and what many leaver politicians want are not the same thing.
And for me personally, people senior to me at work are amazed and devastated at this result, cannot believe anyone would do this. So looks like I will have to work damn hard to avoid indicating how I voted, or lie.
https://twitter.com/jolyonmaugham/status/737525064199856128
The great Martin Armstrong vindicated.
Also kudos to Lord Hayward - about the only one to predict the Tory 2015 victory and now this.
[sad face]
(no more voting on Thursday and not bloody finding out until Sunday!)
We have a new dawn.