That man should be behind bars, let alone commentating on the result this morning. Out of the 650 MP's he is public enemy number 1 as far as I'm concerned.
03:59 Declan Kearney, a Northern Ireland Assembly member for Sinn Féin, says his party will push for a poll on whether Northern Ireland should stay in the UK or unite with the Republic of Ireland if the UK votes to leave the EU. He says it will be "completely undemocratic" if the majority of people in Northern Ireland vote Remain but are "drawn out of the EU as a result of being carried on the coat-tails" of voters in England. "Sinn Féin will continue to press... for a border poll under the provisions of the Good Friday Agreement, because this (EU Referendum) will demonstrate palpably a dramatic change in the political landscape of the north," he says.
Declan Kearney BBC h ttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120
Ooops.
I have no religious affiliation but the partition of Ireland needs to end even if the UK government overrules the moronic proddy nutters.
Working class Labour voters must have gone massively for Leave.
Such a stupid idea to have Cameron and Osborne front a campaign that needed Labour voters more than any other party.... Inept. But REMAIN never listened.
Matthew Elliot is a bloody genius - as with AV he recognised the importance of Labour voters.
I feel sick. I'm a Remainer, who is now collecting my winnings on Leave.
Why feel sick?
Half the population who've been ignored or want a more compassionate society have found a common cause.
And they've won. How is that wrong?
Agreed they were ignored and have every right to be listened to. Society won't be more compassionate as a result of it. The opposite will happen, that's for sure.
Cameron can't resign given current market panic - silence from Gove and Boris and Tory-led Vote Leave is telling. They will be working to shore up a definite message to calm things down.
Wasn't the plan that Gisella Stuart would announce the victory?
No, we haven't. We've voted to leave. There's a big difference.
Semantics. Under what circumstances will we not leave? No government would be able to not proceed with the formalities, no offer from brussells will be forthcoming which would convince people to vote again.
I feel sick. I'm a Remainer, who is now collecting my winnings on Leave.
Why feel sick?
Half the population who've been ignored or want a more compassionate society have found a common cause.
And they've won. How is that wrong?
Because the people in VoteLeave who so assidously courted their vote will now drop them like a bad habit and pursue their own interests, as they were always going t do.
Well, back from the count, and I can see I called it pretty much right.
Now confronting the Wollaston question, how do I feel:
Honestly, a part of me is a little bit sad. The EU or something like it, was not a bad idea in some ways. I don't like being cynical, and some part of me would have liked to have been pleasantly surprised and to discover the EU was capable of changing, to become something better.
But ultimately what's happened is the inevitability of an organization incapable of justifying its own existence to too many people for too long. If it is so great, then it should be capable of overcoming the obstacles it faced.
On the downside, now some real chaos will begin, particularly as what many voters want and what many leaver politicians want are not the same thing.
And for me personally, people senior to me at work are amazed and devastated at this result, cannot believe anyone would do this. So looks like I will have to work damn hard to avoid indicating how I voted, or lie.
You voted "Leave"? I had you down as a 100% "Remainer"...
PS - how we play the markets and how we vote are two different things.
03:59 Declan Kearney, a Northern Ireland Assembly member for Sinn Féin, says his party will push for a poll on whether Northern Ireland should stay in the UK or unite with the Republic of Ireland if the UK votes to leave the EU. He says it will be "completely undemocratic" if the majority of people in Northern Ireland vote Remain but are "drawn out of the EU as a result of being carried on the coat-tails" of voters in England. "Sinn Féin will continue to press... for a border poll under the provisions of the Good Friday Agreement, because this (EU Referendum) will demonstrate palpably a dramatic change in the political landscape of the north," he says.
Declan Kearney BBC h ttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120
Ooops.
Would they have any chance of winning that? I know the demographic have been moving in their direction but aren't they still a fair way off?
No, we haven't. We've voted to leave. There's a big difference.
Semantics. Under what circumstances will we not leave? No government would be able to not proceed with the formalities, no offer from brussells will be forthcoming which would convince people to vote again.
Cameron can't resign given current market panic - silence from Gove and Boris and Tory-led Vote Leave is telling. They will be working to shore up a definite message to calm things down.
Well he can... I mean if he wants to resign and drive off today nobody can stop him. Eden went like that...
Why should Cameron stay ? He has been humiliated. The Leavers are sniggering at the back. He should tell them, "you clear up the mess".
There will be a rocky few years. Then we recover. It's what free nations DO.
I was (sort of) accused of complacency the other week because anyone who's been around a while will have seen all manner of huge, disruptive changes. By and large, we've come through them all, and grown steadily wealthier. We'll all have our own personal lists but for me:
- 5 recessions (if you count the .com bust) - Fall of the Soviet Union - Introduction of the Euro - Ejection from the ERM - 9/11 - Personal computers (IT in general) - Internet - Mobile
The IMF report forecast growth of 1.9% this year, -0.8% next year and 1.1% the year after. Recessions are never pleasant, but there's a recession coming our way soon, whatever happens.
Larry the Cat @Number10cat The good news for people that bet on Brexit is that you're going to win, the bad need is that you're getting paid in sterling. #EURefResults
Working class Labour voters must have gone massively for Leave.
Such a stupid idea to have Cameron and Osborne front a campaign that needed Labour voters more than any other party.... Inept. But REMAIN never listened.
Matthew Elliot is a bloody genius - as with AV he recognised the importance of Labour voters.
Agree with you on that. 3 nil in referenda. Now why did Cameron not hire him a few years ago? Because it would have upset Clegg!
Cameron can't resign given current market panic - silence from Gove and Boris and Tory-led Vote Leave is telling. They will be working to shore up a definite message to calm things down.
Well he can... I mean if he wants to resign and drive off today nobody can stop him. Eden went like that...
Why should Cameron stay ? He has been humiliated. The Leavers are sniggering at the back. He should tell them, "you clear up the mess".
Cameron can't resign given current market panic - silence from Gove and Boris and Tory-led Vote Leave is telling. They will be working to shore up a definite message to calm things down.
Well he can... I mean if he wants to resign and drive off today nobody can stop him. Eden went like that...
True enough...don't think he will though. Eden could do that in the days of the magic circle. The earliest a new Leader of the Tories could be in place would be October. Cameron's sense of duty will be too great. He did PPE - he knows how to bluff his way out of what he said earlier!
I haven't slept properly for the last week because I've been so stressed about this referendum. Not since Leave took their first polling leads and I started to believe that this result could be possible. And I have felt sick in the stomach since the death of Jo Cox.
At 1030 tonight I was both stressed and depressed. I thought it had slipped aww.
I'm now thousands and thousands of pounds poorer than I was at 2230. The value of some of my investments has surely plummeted - I have lost more per hour than any time in my life.
But I feel totally calm and relaxed. I feel a burden lifted from me.
I'm uncertain about the future but I am not afraid.
This has been the most extraordinary night of my life. Perhaps the most historic and important, at least since the night I watched the televised fall of the Berlin Wall. That was distant though, and this is tangible. My life and the lives of those around me now are cast in a new landscape, and one partly of our own creation.
This is the happiest night of my life.
Happy but not at all triumphant. RIP Jo Cox - sorry it's not what you wanted, but I hope we all come together to make a just job of it.
I feel sick. I'm a Remainer, who is now collecting my winnings on Leave.
Why feel sick?
Half the population who've been ignored or want a more compassionate society have found a common cause.
And they've won. How is that wrong?
A more compassionate society to be delivered by Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and Priti Patel :-D
For the good of the nation, I think we need hammond as CoE. The most boring man in politics but knows his economic onions & won't do anything rash nor overly political for politics only motivation.
BBC now saying it's democracy. I'm sorry but that is bollocks.
It is definitely democracy !
Wide, but thin. How many people were genuinely voting on the EU and its policies? Or was it kick the elite, politicians etc etc.
The EU shouldn't have POLICIES, it should be a TRADING COMMUNITY, which is what this country voted for in 1974.
We no longer have to heed EU POLICIES. They are bollocks.
Morning!
This vote does not make the EU cease to exist. The UK will still want to sell goods to its main market. This will mean heeding EU policies without influencing them, but it's OK because you won't have to live beside Poles any more.
Cameron needs to resign and be very clear - "Your mess, you clear it up."
Sorry whose mess? Surely his own for taking a reckless gamble by using calling a referendum as a technique whih he thought he would use as a tactical gambit for party management?
Cameron can't resign given current market panic - silence from Gove and Boris and Tory-led Vote Leave is telling. They will be working to shore up a definite message to calm things down.
Well he can... I mean if he wants to resign and drive off today nobody can stop him. Eden went like that...
Why should Cameron stay ? He has been humiliated. The Leavers are sniggering at the back. He should tell them, "you clear up the mess".
I doubt he is that petty.
Cameron has no authority, he cannot stay - he will stay only so long as a new leader is elected. Boris and the others prepared for this eventuality, it's why they signed the letter Cameron needs to stay on no matter what, so they can present as loyal, while knowing his position is untenable anyway.
Cameron can't resign given current market panic - silence from Gove and Boris and Tory-led Vote Leave is telling. They will be working to shore up a definite message to calm things down.
Well he can... I mean if he wants to resign and drive off today nobody can stop him. Eden went like that...
Cameron will resign today, or if not today then tomorrow - that's obvious. But he will stay on as caretaker.
Cameron needs to resign and be very clear - "Your mess, you clear it up."
Sorry whose mess? Surely his own for taking a reckless gamble by using calling a referendum as a technique whih he thought he would use as a tactical gambit for party management?
The silver lining about losing is that you can go into opposition. Indeed, it is the motive that keeps democracy going: governments become oppositions, and may become governments again.
To celebrate winning, while wanting to keep the vanquished as a human shield to insulate you from your own policies, is cowardly.
You laughed and mocked, just like you did when I said the Libdems would lose Yeovil and places like that, but, I told you so.
£120 to collect now by the look of it
Hopefully Betfair to settle soon, nice £900 profit incoming
Meeks and iSam have bigger boats coming in !
Yep made a tidy sum (£300ish) too. But that will be more than wiped out out by the economic disaster that's going to smack us all in the face! Worrying times ahead - very worrying!
If the UK is in meltdown, so will the EU be. I am not convinced that the Scottish will want to cut loose from the UK and throw their lot in with the EU now.
I feel sick. I'm a Remainer, who is now collecting my winnings on Leave.
Why feel sick?
Half the population who've been ignored or want a more compassionate society have found a common cause.
And they've won. How is that wrong?
A more compassionate society to be delivered by Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and Priti Patel :-D
For the good of the nation, I think we need hammond as CoE. The most boring man in politics but knows his economic onions & won't do anything rash nor overly political for politics only motivation.
No. Hammond allowed Osborne to walk all over his dept.
BBC now saying it's democracy. I'm sorry but that is bollocks.
It really is. Ignore the people at your peril. There was anelection and now we have a result.
It is a fantastical coup. Maybe 20% of voters gave a stuff about the EU a few years ago. A referendum has allowed this 20% to leverage every single grudge and genuine problem into a vote to leave.
None of people's problems will be solved by this. Zero hours - No; crap housing - No; shortage of housing - No; low wage growth - No; mass migration - No; and on and on.
Leave 950k ahead - come on bring up the million mark!
Isn't this remarkable!
Its amazing times we live in. So many long term cycles coming together. I got things wrong on here back in 2010/11 forecasting a stockmarket crash, but people mocked me for saying constantly that we were approaching incredibly turbulent times. I don't think so many people are doubting me on that one now!
ITV are talking about how much Germany 'values' British membership on the EU.
Yet Merkel wouldn't give anything.
She was willing to give everything to 'Syrian refugees' though.
Merkel unilaterally unlocked the gates of Europe and invited in anyone who could get there. There was no democracy in that process - and was the final straw in the notion of the EU being a "democratic" entity.
On a rather sillier note. Looking at the Blue and Yellow on the infographic with sheffield in blue, this is what the election special in 1896 must have looked like. Anyone remember it. Malcolm, Jack?
Wow. The Vote Leave party was cancelled as they thought they lost.
Really nice though when that kind of thing happens. There's nothing quite like a spontaneous natural celebration and frantic ordering of champagne. It'll be a bloody brilliant moment.
LDs, as previously as a default? That would be hypocritical given I voted Leave Labour? Regardless of anything else, Corbyn is unsuitable. UKIP? Other than the coincidence of voting Leave, I cannot say they appeal to me Green? See Labour Con? Odds are they are about to abandon the things I like
It's a tough old game, trying to take a longer term view, when it works but results in little in the way of short term options.
'No, we haven't. We've voted to leave. There's a big difference.'
Junker only yesterday said it was the best deal possible and there would be no further negotiations.
Was he telling porkies ?
Of course. And we may just find that the experts had some idea of what they were talking about. It could just be the EU may not look so horrific a few months down the line.
If the UK is in meltdown, so will the EU be. I am not convinced that the Scottish will want to cut loose from the UK and throw their lot in with the EU now.
The EU will fare better than UK in the short to medium term hence why the breakup of the UK is a very serious probability.
If the UK is in meltdown, so will the EU be. I am not convinced that the Scottish will want to cut loose from the UK and throw their lot in with the EU now.
Scotland would have to vote IN for the EU after Independence. Scotland would vote No to the EU once it is Independent.
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PS - how we play the markets and how we vote are two different things.
- 5 recessions (if you count the .com bust)
- Fall of the Soviet Union
- Introduction of the Euro
- Ejection from the ERM
- 9/11
- Personal computers (IT in general)
- Internet
- Mobile
The IMF report forecast growth of 1.9% this year, -0.8% next year and 1.1% the year after. Recessions are never pleasant, but there's a recession coming our way soon, whatever happens.
Roll on other unhappy EU members
Boris' message about democracy hit home.
We no longer have to heed EU POLICIES. They are bollocks.
Morning!
The good news for people that bet on Brexit is that you're going to win, the bad need is that you're getting paid in sterling. #EURefResults
Because it would have upset Clegg!
At 1030 tonight I was both stressed and depressed. I thought it had slipped aww.
I'm now thousands and thousands of pounds poorer than I was at 2230. The value of some of my investments has surely plummeted - I have lost more per hour than any time in my life.
But I feel totally calm and relaxed. I feel a burden lifted from me.
I'm uncertain about the future but I am not afraid.
This has been the most extraordinary night of my life. Perhaps the most historic and important, at least since the night I watched the televised fall of the Berlin Wall. That was distant though, and this is tangible. My life and the lives of those around me now are cast in a new landscape, and one partly of our own creation.
This is the happiest night of my life.
Happy but not at all triumphant. RIP Jo Cox - sorry it's not what you wanted, but I hope we all come together to make a just job of it.
'Should Merkel take some of the blame for this? '
Yes, she thought we would accept a crap deal.
You laughed and mocked, just like you did when I said the Libdems would lose Yeovil and places like that, but, I told you so.
£120 to collect now by the look of it
ITV are talking about how much Germany 'values' British membership on the EU.
Yet Merkel wouldn't give anything.
She was willing to give everything to 'Syrian refugees' though.
Meeks and iSam have bigger boats coming in !
To celebrate winning, while wanting to keep the vanquished as a human shield to insulate you from your own policies, is cowardly.
'No, we haven't. We've voted to leave. There's a big difference.'
Junker only yesterday said it was the best deal possible and there would be no further negotiations.
Was he telling porkies ?
None of people's problems will be solved by this. Zero hours - No; crap housing - No; shortage of housing - No; low wage growth - No; mass migration - No; and on and on.
I am so glad I got rid of all of my UK equity yesterday and put £200 on leave @ 3/1 few days ago...
Survation for EU.Leave got it spot on.
Chukka descending into a long misery rant!
Really nice though when that kind of thing happens. There's nothing quite like a spontaneous natural celebration and frantic ordering of champagne. It'll be a bloody brilliant moment.
LDs, as previously as a default? That would be hypocritical given I voted Leave
Labour? Regardless of anything else, Corbyn is unsuitable.
UKIP? Other than the coincidence of voting Leave, I cannot say they appeal to me
Green? See Labour
Con? Odds are they are about to abandon the things I like
It's a tough old game, trying to take a longer term view, when it works but results in little in the way of short term options.
He has to go. Along with Osborne.