Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.
She won't, because she'll lose. Once it's all shaken out and the anger from the remain side is gone, Scotland is still an oil economy with very high structural public spending in a low oil price environment. If they vote to leave the UK they vote to leave Barnett and the billions that it comes with. Scotland's economy is already facing headwinds, their being in the UK has made most of them go away, as a rich nation they would be paying into the EU rather than receiving subsidies.
As SO said, if the rest of the UK can vote for economic masochism, so can Scotland. If it's about sovereignty, why is Scotland a lesser nation than Ireland? It isn't.
No, differential turnout. WWC areas went big on Leave. Those who dont normally vote (completely ignored by polls) went big on Leave.
They don't get out of bed for Ed Miliband.
But leaving the EU is a whole different matter...
You called it, thanks for that, it made sense and made me about £2000.
Heh I should have more confidence in my own tips
It made a lot of sense. It was quite clear that there was a good chance of differential turnout deciding the outcome and that WWC would be huge turnouts while, in my experience, Scotland would not turn out at all.
As soon as I saw how weak the turnout was in my area, it was clear Leave would win but I wouldn't have gone for it (especially my peak time cycle-by) if I hadn't read your posts.
It was the cleaner at my office saying she'd voted and tales of morning queues in Whiston from others that made me realise something might be up. My facebook was also a complete sea of remain, and given they'd have voted for Ed Miliband, AV and other stuff - well I thought the polls might be wrong !
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.
If the English can vote for economic self harm, why not the Scots?
Well, the Scots will be voting to become an EU minnow, it's hardly independence. However, if that's what they want, then they should be allowed to do so.
Absolutely. How quickly does the referendum get called now. As soon as October?!
I see people are once again quoting part of Chesterton's poem while for some reason omitting the interesting lines: - But the squire seemed struck in the saddle; he was foolish, as if in pain. He leaned on a staggering lawyer, he clutched a cringing Jew
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.
She won't, because she'll lose. Once it's all shaken out and the anger from the remain side is gone, Scotland is still an oil economy with very high structural public spending in a low oil price environment. If they vote to leave the UK they vote to leave Barnett and the billions that it comes with. Scotland's economy is already facing headwinds, their being in the UK has made most of them go away, as a rich nation they would be paying into the EU rather than receiving subsidies.
As SO said, if the rest of the UK can vote for economic masochism, so can Scotland. If it's about sovereignty, why is Scotland a lesser nation than Ireland? It isn't.
Ireland will reaply to join the UK once we are free of the EU.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.
She won't, because she'll lose. Once it's all shaken out and the anger from the remain side is gone, Scotland is still an oil economy with very high structural public spending in a low oil price environment. If they vote to leave the UK they vote to leave Barnett and the billions that it comes with. Scotland's economy is already facing headwinds, their being in the UK has made most of them go away, as a rich nation they would be paying into the EU rather than receiving subsidies.
As SO said, if the rest of the UK can vote for economic masochism, so can Scotland. If it's about sovereignty, why is Scotland a lesser nation than Ireland? It isn't.
They vote for what they want! While I prefer we'd stay together, it's ultimately up to them.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.
She won't, because she'll lose. Once it's all shaken out and the anger from the remain side is gone, Scotland is still an oil economy with very high structural public spending in a low oil price environment. If they vote to leave the UK they vote to leave Barnett and the billions that it comes with. Scotland's economy is already facing headwinds, their being in the UK has made most of them go away, as a rich nation they would be paying into the EU rather than receiving subsidies.
As SO said, if the rest of the UK can vote for economic masochism, so can Scotland. If it's about sovereignty, why is Scotland a lesser nation than Ireland? It isn't.
Ireland will reaply to join the UK once we are free of the EU.
03:59 Declan Kearney, a Northern Ireland Assembly member for Sinn Féin, says his party will push for a poll on whether Northern Ireland should stay in the UK or unite with the Republic of Ireland if the UK votes to leave the EU. He says it will be "completely undemocratic" if the majority of people in Northern Ireland vote Remain but are "drawn out of the EU as a result of being carried on the coat-tails" of voters in England. "Sinn Féin will continue to press... for a border poll under the provisions of the Good Friday Agreement, because this (EU Referendum) will demonstrate palpably a dramatic change in the political landscape of the north," he says.
Declan Kearney BBC h ttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120
Ooops.
Would they have any chance of winning that? I know the demographic have been moving in their direction but aren't they still a fair way off?
As soon as the Ireland/Northern Ireland border becomes a UK/EU border, then the question of hw to resolve it becomes rather pressing. And as previous discussions n this board have shown, the UK does not know how to resolve it
Both the Republic and the UK are outside Schengen, and have their own Common Travel Area.
Note that Schengen INCLUDES non-EU members like Iceland and Switzerland.
The rump UK can declare an international border which has not existed for 215 years or let Scotland vote for Independence without consequence. Its a hard choice for Dave's successor.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.
She won't, because she'll lose. Once it's all shaken out and the anger from the remain side is gone, Scotland is still an oil economy with very high structural public spending in a low oil price environment. If they vote to leave the UK they vote to leave Barnett and the billions that it comes with. Scotland's economy is already facing headwinds, their being in the UK has made most of them go away, as a rich nation they would be paying into the EU rather than receiving subsidies.
As SO said, if the rest of the UK can vote for economic masochism, so can Scotland. If it's about sovereignty, why is Scotland a lesser nation than Ireland? It isn't.
Ireland will reaply to join the UK once we are free of the EU.
Erm, empire is not coming back, soz. Who would vote to shoot themselves in the foot in the way GBP/FTSE has gone?
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.
She won't, because she'll lose. Once it's all shaken out and the anger from the remain side is gone, Scotland is still an oil economy with very high structural public spending in a low oil price environment. If they vote to leave the UK they vote to leave Barnett and the billions that it comes with. Scotland's economy is already facing headwinds, their being in the UK has made most of them go away, as a rich nation they would be paying into the EU rather than receiving subsidies.
As SO said, if the rest of the UK can vote for economic masochism, so can Scotland. If it's about sovereignty, why is Scotland a lesser nation than Ireland? It isn't.
Because 55% of them just voted to stay in the union and since then oil prices have crashed.
03:59 Declan Kearney, a Northern Ireland Assembly member for Sinn Féin, says his party will push for a poll on whether Northern Ireland should stay in the UK or unite with the Republic of Ireland if the UK votes to leave the EU. He says it will be "completely undemocratic" if the majority of people in Northern Ireland vote Remain but are "drawn out of the EU as a result of being carried on the coat-tails" of voters in England. "Sinn Féin will continue to press... for a border poll under the provisions of the Good Friday Agreement, because this (EU Referendum) will demonstrate palpably a dramatic change in the political landscape of the north," he says.
Declan Kearney BBC h ttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120
Ooops.
Would they have any chance of winning that? I know the demographic have been moving in their direction but aren't they still a fair way off?
As soon as the Ireland/Northern Ireland border becomes a UK/EU border, then the question of hw to resolve it becomes rather pressing. And as previous discussions n this board have shown, the UK does not know how to resolve it
Northern Ireland only voted narrowly to Remain. They aren't going to join the Republic.
Most Unionist majority seats voted LEAVE, the Nationalist majority seats voted REMAIN.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.
She won't, because she'll lose. Once it's all shaken out and the anger from the remain side is gone, Scotland is still an oil economy with very high structural public spending in a low oil price environment. If they vote to leave the UK they vote to leave Barnett and the billions that it comes with. Scotland's economy is already facing headwinds, their being in the UK has made most of them go away, as a rich nation they would be paying into the EU rather than receiving subsidies.
As SO said, if the rest of the UK can vote for economic masochism, so can Scotland. If it's about sovereignty, why is Scotland a lesser nation than Ireland? It isn't.
Ireland will reaply to join the UK once we are free of the EU.
Maybe if we abolished the monarchy and implemented a Federal British Isles, but that's hardly on the cards, is it?
No, differential turnout. WWC areas went big on Leave. Those who dont normally vote (completely ignored by polls) went big on Leave.
They don't get out of bed for Ed Miliband.
But leaving the EU is a whole different matter...
You called it, thanks for that, it made sense and made me about £2000.
Heh I should have more confidence in my own tips
It made a lot of sense. It was quite clear that there was a good chance of differential turnout deciding the outcome and that WWC would be huge turnouts while, in my experience, Scotland would not turn out at all.
As soon as I saw how weak the turnout was in my area, it was clear Leave would win but I wouldn't have gone for it (especially my peak time cycle-by) if I hadn't read your posts.
It was the cleaner at my office saying she'd voted and tales of morning queues in Whiston from others that made me realise something might be up. My facebook was also a complete sea of remain, and given they'd have voted for Ed Miliband, AV and other stuff - well I thought the polls might be wrong !
Local radio was reporting South Yorkshire as 85% Leave on Wednesday morning.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.
She won't, because she'll lose. Once it's all shaken out and the anger from the remain side is gone, Scotland is still an oil economy with very high structural public spending in a low oil price environment. If they vote to leave the UK they vote to leave Barnett and the billions that it comes with. Scotland's economy is already facing headwinds, their being in the UK has made most of them go away, as a rich nation they would be paying into the EU rather than receiving subsidies.
As SO said, if the rest of the UK can vote for economic masochism, so can Scotland. If it's about sovereignty, why is Scotland a lesser nation than Ireland? It isn't.
Very true. The SNP now needs to decide whether it wants to put to the test whether Scotland wishes to remain in a union of 41 years or one of 309 years. If Scotland votes to leave the UK then that's up to them and good luck. Personally, I think they would stay in the UK but we shall see...
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.
She won't, because she'll lose. Once it's all shaken out and the anger from the remain side is gone, Scotland is still an oil economy with very high structural public spending in a low oil price environment. If they vote to leave the UK they vote to leave Barnett and the billions that it comes with. Scotland's economy is already facing headwinds, their being in the UK has made most of them go away, as a rich nation they would be paying into the EU rather than receiving subsidies.
As SO said, if the rest of the UK can vote for economic masochism, so can Scotland. If it's about sovereignty, why is Scotland a lesser nation than Ireland? It isn't.
Because 55% of them just voted to stay in the union and since then oil prices have crashed.
Since then the Sterling price has crashed and the British have committed political harikari. The world is different today, is it not?
I'm a bit glum and serious at the moment. Granted I've been up for 24 hours, but I've always been able to eschew any responsibility for anything not going well by voting for losers. Despite all my arguments, I hope it was clear I thought long and hard about what to do, and even when voting I took a good 20 seconds to really consider my options, apparently I didn't really believe Leave would win as I feel a little shell shocked, and now have nowhere to hide should things go poorly, which given the people about to take over as PM at a time of turmoil, will certainly occur in the short term at least. Sobering.
But likely for the best in the long run - the EU wants things we don't, it's irreconcilable.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.
She won't, because she'll lose. Once it's all shaken out and the anger from the remain side is gone, Scotland is still an oil economy with very high structural public spending in a low oil price environment. If they vote to leave the UK they vote to leave Barnett and the billions that it comes with. Scotland's economy is already facing headwinds, their being in the UK has made most of them go away, as a rich nation they would be paying into the EU rather than receiving subsidies.
As SO said, if the rest of the UK can vote for economic masochism, so can Scotland. If it's about sovereignty, why is Scotland a lesser nation than Ireland? It isn't.
Because 55% of them just voted to stay in the union and since then oil prices have crashed.
People just voted in a manner where they knew the result of their vote would be currency and stock market crashes. Logic and referendums do not mix.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.
She won't, because she'll lose. Once it's all shaken out and the anger from the remain side is gone, Scotland is still an oil economy with very high structural public spending in a low oil price environment. If they vote to leave the UK they vote to leave Barnett and the billions that it comes with. Scotland's economy is already facing headwinds, their being in the UK has made most of them go away, as a rich nation they would be paying into the EU rather than receiving subsidies.
As SO said, if the rest of the UK can vote for economic masochism, so can Scotland. If it's about sovereignty, why is Scotland a lesser nation than Ireland? It isn't.
Because 55% of them just voted to stay in the union and since then oil prices have crashed.
And English and Welsh voters have decided to take the UK out of the EU. Everything has changed.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.
She won't, because she'll lose. Once it's all shaken out and the anger from the remain side is gone, Scotland is still an oil economy with very high structural public spending in a low oil price environment. If they vote to leave the UK they vote to leave Barnett and the billions that it comes with. Scotland's economy is already facing headwinds, their being in the UK has made most of them go away, as a rich nation they would be paying into the EU rather than receiving subsidies.
As SO said, if the rest of the UK can vote for economic masochism, so can Scotland. If it's about sovereignty, why is Scotland a lesser nation than Ireland? It isn't.
Ireland will reaply to join the UK once we are free of the EU.
Erm, empire is not coming back, soz. Who would vote to shoot themselves in the foot in the way GBP/FTSE has gone?
BBC now saying it's democracy. I'm sorry but that is bollocks.
It really is. Ignore the people at your peril. There was anelection and now we have a result.
Yep, the people have spoken. It is now encumbent on Leave to deliver on the promises they've made.
But why can't you work with us to make a better country instead of sniping from the sidelines.
This could actually be good for progressive politics because the establishment tried to scare the shit out of everyone saying change is bad, and you can't ever change anything, the same thing the Tories always do to the left and in particular Labour at every GE and the public often buy it. But now you have an example where people can overcome fear and make their own minds up.
If I fall asleep can someone keep reminding people including Mike that one pollster, namely the one for EU.Leave which we think was Survation, got this absolutely spot on. And they didn't poll on voting day: it was conducted in the two days before.
No, differential turnout. WWC areas went big on Leave. Those who dont normally vote (completely ignored by polls) went big on Leave.
They don't get out of bed for Ed Miliband.
But leaving the EU is a whole different matter...
You called it, thanks for that, it made sense and made me about £2000.
Heh I should have more confidence in my own tips
It made a lot of sense. It was quite clear that there was a good chance of differential turnout deciding the outcome and that WWC would be huge turnouts while, in my experience, Scotland would not turn out at all.
As soon as I saw how weak the turnout was in my area, it was clear Leave would win but I wouldn't have gone for it (especially my peak time cycle-by) if I hadn't read your posts.
It was the cleaner at my office saying she'd voted and tales of morning queues in Whiston from others that made me realise something might be up. My facebook was also a complete sea of remain, and given they'd have voted for Ed Miliband, AV and other stuff - well I thought the polls might be wrong !
Local radio was reporting South Yorkshire as 85% Leave on Wednesday morning.
Sure it was a voodoo poll but ...
The turnout reports really made a difference. Obviously I was able to measure the Scottish turnout myself (to an extent) but all those reports of huge turnout in WWC areas made it much easier to stake large sums on Leave.
Scotland will stay in the EU as an independent nation. Ireland presumably will be reunified.
Democracy. Ain't it wonderful?
Both of these are unlikely. For Scotland none of the fundamentals have changed and in NI the unionists all voted to Leave.
Well Brexit changes everything economically - all bets are now very much ON the table. Nicola will get her second indy ref and Scotland will 100% vote for independence this time. Why stay attached to a country that is now facing huge economic headwinds. You might as well go it alone. In a way, this is the perfect result for the SNP.
She won't, because she'll lose. Once it's all shaken out and the anger from the remain side is gone, Scotland is still an oil economy with very high structural public spending in a low oil price environment. If they vote to leave the UK they vote to leave Barnett and the billions that it comes with. Scotland's economy is already facing headwinds, their being in the UK has made most of them go away, as a rich nation they would be paying into the EU rather than receiving subsidies.
As SO said, if the rest of the UK can vote for economic masochism, so can Scotland. If it's about sovereignty, why is Scotland a lesser nation than Ireland? It isn't.
Because 55% of them just voted to stay in the union and since then oil prices have crashed.
Since then the Sterling price has crashed and the British have committed political harikari. The world is different today, is it not?
By the time they can get another referendum it's not going to be as bad and who knows what the EU will look like.
Some Green woman named Lucas (?) says the EU was just a proxy in this vote.
I won't even attempt to parse what that means.
I don't see why it's relevant in any case. You can speculate that people were really voting about Cameron if you like, or the Tories, or whatever, but the vast majority of electors can read and the question on the ballot paper was still there, so whatever their motivations for doing so, it doesn't matter.
I think Lucas is spot on (for once) that we'll probably change the voting system.
Let the AV threads commence!
Might be a catalyst for an actual constitutional convention?
That is sorely needed. Not that he has the authority to do so, but Cameron should call one to resolve a whole host of issues so that when we leave formally we are in a better state.
I'm a bit glum and serious at the moment. Granted I've been up for 24 hours, but I've always been able to eschew any responsibility for anything not going well by voting for losers. Despite all my arguments, I hope it was clear I thought long and hard about what to do, and even when voting I took a good 20 seconds to really consider my options, apparently I didn't really believe Leave would win as I feel a little shell shocked, and now have nowhere to hide should things go poorly, which given the people about to take over as PM at a time of turmoil, will certainly occur in the short term at least. Sobering.
But likely for the best in the long run - the EU wants things we don't, it's irreconcilable.
I haven't been on the winning side since 2005!
You are right that Leave owns what happens now, but you made an honest, heartfelt decision. That is a good thing.
Brexit bingo - Carolien Lucas calls it as a victory for snake oil!
Sure we are going to still hear lots of racist & little Englander smears.
England just voted to withdraw from an international organisation. I think that for little Englander there is at least a valid case to be made? Of course, maybe Sunderland wants England to be a Singaporean ultracapitalist free-trading nation. lol
Some Green woman named Lucas (?) says the EU was just a proxy in this vote.
I won't even attempt to parse what that means.
I don't see why it's relevant in any case. You can speculate that people were really voting about Cameron if you like, or the Tories, or whatever, but the vast majority of electors can read and the question on the ballot paper was still there, so whatever their motivations for doing so, it doesn't matter.
I can't imagine what this ideal electorate would look like. Rational. Focused. Able to put all other considerations aside except for THIS ONE QUESTION. No thought for children, husbands, wives, community. Primed with all the information, having thoroughly mastered the problem domain...I can't see it working with human beings. They need to replace us all with robots forthwith.
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- But the squire seemed struck in the saddle; he was foolish, as if in pain.
He leaned on a staggering lawyer, he clutched a cringing Jew
It's now one big funeral dirge. RIP our membership of the EU....
Good night all and good night the EU.
What a night! This will be one hell of a 10 hour thread of posts on PB to look back on in the years to come!
Sure it was a voodoo poll but ...
Let the AV threads commence!
PM - Johnson
Chancellor - Gove
Business - Ledsome
Home - Grayling
Foreign - Hammond
But likely for the best in the long run - the EU wants things we don't, it's irreconcilable.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results
I won't even attempt to parse what that means.
This could actually be good for progressive politics because the establishment tried to scare the shit out of everyone saying change is bad, and you can't ever change anything, the same thing the Tories always do to the left and in particular Labour at every GE and the public often buy it. But now you have an example where people can overcome fear and make their own minds up.
Even IF things do go tits-up, the public still aren't going to take well to people who just sit there saying "told you so".
Surely someone with more gravitas as PM and someone with economic credentials as treasurer. Those two positions are make or break.
The BBC can't bear to discuss the live results that are still coming.
But hey, who cares.
You are right that Leave owns what happens now, but you made an honest, heartfelt decision. That is a good thing.
And all those Tories who have been licking Osborne's arse for years
One source tells me Gove and Boris negotiating the terms of Cameron's departure - only one source
UK polling industry 1935 ish - 2016 RIP?
Laters,
"Today we celebrate our Independence Day!"