I'm a bit glum and serious at the moment. Granted I've been up for 24 hours, but I've always been able to eschew any responsibility for anything not going well by voting for losers. Despite all my arguments, I hope it was clear I thought long and hard about what to do, and even when voting I took a good 20 seconds to really consider my options, apparently I didn't really believe Leave would win as I feel a little shell shocked, and now have nowhere to hide should things go poorly, which given the people about to take over as PM at a time of turmoil, will certainly occur in the short term at least. Sobering.
But likely for the best in the long run - the EU wants things we don't, it's irreconcilable.
Whatever the reasons that caused so many people to vote to Leave, the most significant result is that we have (hopefully - cannot yet take it for granted) preserved democracy for our offspring. If they don't like what their government does, they will be able to vote it out & replace it with one more in tune with their needs.
And let's hope that, as a corollary, our current political parties take a good hard look at why the non-voters & reluctant voters were prepared to turn out for this.
BBC now saying it's democracy. I'm sorry but that is bollocks.
It really is. Ignore the people at your peril. There was anelection and now we have a result.
Yep, the people have spoken. It is now encumbent on Leave to deliver on the promises they've made.
But why can't you work with us to make a better country instead of sniping from the sidelines.
This could actually be good for progressive politics because the establishment tried to scare the shit out of everyone saying change is bad, and you can't ever change anything, the same thing the Tories always do to the left and in particular Labour at every GE and the public often buy it. But now you have an example where people can overcome fear and make their own minds up.
I am not a right wing Tory. I have no say in what happens next. All I can do is carry on doing the best I can for the company I work at and its employees.
Presumably Cameron will wait for the final results before announcing Gove is now chancellor and a leadership contest will be held as soon as possible?
What a year he's had - the highest highs, and now the lowest lows. Master of all he surveys to presumably quitting parliament itself in a few months (cannot see him sticking around).
Gisela Stuart: Britain is an open, welcoming society. you must be joking, it was fought on immigrants not banana regulations Now calling for calm. Good look
"Gordon was a moron". This country is run by hypocritical arrogant idiots. They missed the chance of uniting with France in 1956. They preferred to run with the "Five Eyes" treaty with the US, that eventually they admitted the existence of in 2005, if I recall correctly. The text still hasn't been published. Then the eventually got themselves into the EEC which became the EU.
Then they positioned some "really expert at economics" history graduate in Number Ten to tell people there was five years of testing required before a decision on the euro could be taken. That played well with the sort of people who think Carol Vorderman is a mathematician. Oh, all the cycles were out of sync, he said. Never mind that countries like Italy, for goodness sake, managed to join the eurozone.
Then they sat around going to the Epsom Derby and Goodwood and Glyndebourne telling each other how clever they were, ignoring the message that the British people kept sending them by voting in ever larger numbers for UKIP in EU elections.
Now look what's happened.
Never have the jaws of the dustbin of history opened so wide. But will they jump in? Will they get pushed in? Hell, no!
Fortunes must have been made in the past few hours, and are still being made - multibillion pound fortunes - as the British economy, largely valued in pounds, gets a big chunk knocked off its value.
I'm a bit glum and serious at the moment. Granted I've been up for 24 hours, but I've always been able to eschew any responsibility for anything not going well by voting for losers. Despite all my arguments, I hope it was clear I thought long and hard about what to do, and even when voting I took a good 20 seconds to really consider my options, apparently I didn't really believe Leave would win as I feel a little shell shocked, and now have nowhere to hide should things go poorly, which given the people about to take over as PM at a time of turmoil, will certainly occur in the short term at least. Sobering.
But likely for the best in the long run - the EU wants things we don't, it's irreconcilable.
Whatever the reasons that caused so many people to vote to Leave, the most significant result is that we have (hopefully - cannot yet take it for granted) preserved democracy for our offspring. If they don't like what their government does, they will be able to vote it out & replace it with one more in tune with their needs.
And let's hope that, as a corollary, our current political parties take a good hard look at why the non-voters & reluctant voters were prepared to turn out for this.
I'm a bit glum and serious at the moment. Granted I've been up for 24 hours, but I've always been able to eschew any responsibility for anything not going well by voting for losers. Despite all my arguments, I hope it was clear I thought long and hard about what to do, and even when voting I took a good 20 seconds to really consider my options, apparently I didn't really believe Leave would win as I feel a little shell shocked, and now have nowhere to hide should things go poorly, which given the people about to take over as PM at a time of turmoil, will certainly occur in the short term at least. Sobering.
But likely for the best in the long run - the EU wants things we don't, it's irreconcilable.
I haven't been on the winning side since 2005!
You are right that Leave owns what happens now, but you made an honest, heartfelt decision. That is a good thing.
I am even more glad, now, that you made it in time to vote, SO. I was glad at the time, even though I thought then it that Remain would win by a good margin.
"Gordon was a moron". This country is run by hypocritical arrogant idiots. They missed the chance of uniting with France in 1956. They preferred to run with the "Five Eyes" treaty with the US, that eventually they admitted the existence of in 2005, if I recall correctly. The text still hasn't been published. Then the eventually got themselves into the EEC which became the EU.
Then they positioned some "really expert at economics" history graduate in Number Ten to tell people there was five years of testing required before a decision on the euro could be taken. That played well with the sort of people who think Carol Vorderman is a mathematician. Oh, all the cycles were out of sync, he said. Never mind that countries like Italy, for goodness sake, managed to join the eurozone.
Then they sat around going to the Epsom Derby and Goodwood and Glyndebourne telling each other how clever they were, ignoring the message the British people kept sending them by voting in ever larger numbers for UKIP in EU elections.
Now look what's happening.
Fortunes must have been made in the past few hours, as the British economy, largely valued in pounds, is getting a big chunk knocked off its value.
Harold Wilson said the pound in your pocket is not devalued.
Obviously the queen's intervention in the referendum isn't thought to be interesting by all the politico types here. Sorry to bore you all. Goodnight all. I'm going to relax away from the screen before taking in the final result.
Corbyn chickened out by putting her up to speak - but in many ways it was an apt decision.
She was representing the Leave campaign. It was pre-arranged. It had nothing to do with Corbyn.
Possible the news broadcasts had this wrong - but it was billed that, by arrangement with Corbyn, she would get to make the first Labour statement if Leave won, Corbyn would presumably have spoken if Remain won.
Relax, guys. Nothing in the last year and a bit has actually happened.
1) People who believe in a Conservative majority are "fantasists" 2) Voters don't care about the EU 3) New Labour is here to stay 4) Jack W's ARSE is never wrong.
I for one wish Prime Minister Miliband well in his negotiations in the next EU summit.
Where are you seeing this? FTSE futures are 9.992% down as far as I can see
Many big FTSE companies have most earnings abroad eg Oil, Mining etc. Not much to do with the UK. exporters will benefit from the lower pound.
Exporters will only benefit from a lower pound if they can find the funding to expand their output. If not, they are just getting less for what they do sell.
Where are you seeing this? FTSE futures are 9.992% down as far as I can see
Many big FTSE companies have most earnings abroad eg Oil, Mining etc. Not much to do with the UK. exporters will benefit from the lower pound.
Exporters will only benefit from a lower pound if they can find the funding to expand their output. If not, they are just getting less for what they do sell.
Exporters bill in dollars. So they will get more than at present in pound equivalent.
Where are you seeing this? FTSE futures are 9.992% down as far as I can see
Many big FTSE companies have most earnings abroad eg Oil, Mining etc. Not much to do with the UK. exporters will benefit from the lower pound.
Exporters will only benefit from a lower pound if they can find the funding to expand their output. If not, they are just getting less for what they do sell.
UK suppliers can also benefit from imports becoming more expensive.
Asian markets already routed, Carney expected to make statement immediately after Cameron and before markets open. Japan finance minister 'very concerned'.
Well done to all who have worked to make this election happen and have campaigned on either side. I do hope we can be friends.
On the other hand the LDs in the count tonight... What a tedious bunch of wank*rs. Standing around between 4 and 5 discussing how the electorate had got it wrong. Seriously WTF.
Well done to all who have worked to make this election happen and have campaigned on either side. I do hope we can be friends.
On the other hand the LDs in the count tonight... What a tedious bunch of wank*rs. Standing around between 4 and 5 discussing how the electorate had got it wrong. Seriously WTF.
Although Leave didn't win in Mid Sussex, I was very surprised to see nearby Sevenoaks voting Leave by a sizeable margin.
Well done to all who have worked to make this election happen and have campaigned on either side. I do hope we can be friends.
On the other hand the LDs in the count tonight... What a tedious bunch of wank*rs. Standing around between 4 and 5 discussing how the electorate had got it wrong. Seriously WTF.
Well done to all who have worked to make this election happen and have campaigned on either side. I do hope we can be friends.
On the other hand the LDs in the count tonight... What a tedious bunch of wank*rs. Standing around between 4 and 5 discussing how the electorate had got it wrong. Seriously WTF.
Although Leave didn't win in Mid Sussex, I was very surprised to see nearby Sevenoaks voting Leave by a sizeable margin.
Well done to all who have worked to make this election happen and have campaigned on either side. I do hope we can be friends.
On the other hand the LDs in the count tonight... What a tedious bunch of wank*rs. Standing around between 4 and 5 discussing how the electorate had got it wrong. Seriously WTF.
Well done sir, well done.
What surprised me was that I was the first observer there, had to organise (until UKIP arrived) the observing. No vote eyeballing going on except organised by me on our side.
However the LDs were there, organised, mostly pleasant with a few rude ones and a couple of angry ones.
However there were very few Conservative activists in the room. That speaks volumes for how Cameron has divided the party I am afraid.
The same people who currently pick them. The consequences of the lack of promised change are enormous.
actually most of the wwc I speak to (and I must speak to more than your avreage Labour MP looking at todays election results), know there won't be mass deportations. I think we should give the electorate some credit they actually understand the issues more than we on here think.
1) milepede and the other two lab mps didn't show. They left their workers to take the hit. We took 104k votes, they got 46k. Demographics indicated ~60:40. The wwc is abandoning labour and that party has no answer.
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Where did that Lewisham 83% Remain story originate five hours ago ?
And let's hope that, as a corollary, our current political parties take a good hard look at why the non-voters & reluctant voters were prepared to turn out for this.
What a year he's had - the highest highs, and now the lowest lows. Master of all he surveys to presumably quitting parliament itself in a few months (cannot see him sticking around).
"Sod it, just for the hell of it I'll put my prediction out there, fully expecting to be completely, laughably wrong:
Leave to win by 50.9% to 49.1% after a few back-of-the-envelope calculations.
Turnout 71% "
Not that far out, after all! Still, got to hand it to @SouthamObserver for consistently predicting a Leave win. A man worth listening to, obviously.
you must be joking, it was fought on immigrants not banana regulations
Now calling for calm. Good look
So much better than the Farage gloating.
Corbyn chickened out by putting her up to speak - but in many ways it was an apt decision.
Just traders closing the long positions they foolishly took.
Many FTSE companies primarily overseas companies.
Then they positioned some "really expert at economics" history graduate in Number Ten to tell people there was five years of testing required before a decision on the euro could be taken. That played well with the sort of people who think Carol Vorderman is a mathematician. Oh, all the cycles were out of sync, he said. Never mind that countries like Italy, for goodness sake, managed to join the eurozone.
Then they sat around going to the Epsom Derby and Goodwood and Glyndebourne telling each other how clever they were, ignoring the message that the British people kept sending them by voting in ever larger numbers for UKIP in EU elections.
Now look what's happened.
Never have the jaws of the dustbin of history opened so wide. But will they jump in? Will they get pushed in? Hell, no!
Fortunes must have been made in the past few hours, and are still being made - multibillion pound fortunes - as the British economy, largely valued in pounds, gets a big chunk knocked off its value.
https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/746197642053455872
Harold Wilson said the pound in your pocket is not devalued.
Gisella should defo be on the negotiating team.
Leadsom-Stuart leading the EU negotiation.
That'll be the former establishment.
1) People who believe in a Conservative majority are "fantasists"
2) Voters don't care about the EU
3) New Labour is here to stay
4) Jack W's ARSE is never wrong.
I for one wish Prime Minister Miliband well in his negotiations in the next EU summit.
PB anecdota has beaten the 'experts' in the media, pollsters, City and politics.
It implies almost 2m votes still to come - which looks far, far too high.
Edit: 13 now.
The Cameron myth is over at least.
I did call the result at 3.23 here
https://twitter.com/BenedictMPWhite/status/746166758961201152
Well done to all who have worked to make this election happen and have campaigned on either side. I do hope we can be friends.
On the other hand the LDs in the count tonight... What a tedious bunch of wank*rs. Standing around between 4 and 5 discussing how the electorate had got it wrong. Seriously WTF.
Murdock influence?
However the LDs were there, organised, mostly pleasant with a few rude ones and a couple of angry ones.
However there were very few Conservative activists in the room. That speaks volumes for how Cameron has divided the party I am afraid.
1) milepede and the other two lab mps didn't show. They left their workers to take the hit. We took 104k votes, they got 46k. Demographics indicated ~60:40. The wwc is abandoning labour and that party has no answer.
2) Nigel Farage is a god.