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Russian Track & Field team banned from Olympics.
Door left open for athletes to compete as independents if they submit to international drug testing regimes and can prove themselves clean. These include pole vaulter Yelena Isembeyeva who is going for a third consecutive Gold in Rio.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/athletics/2016/06/17/russian-olympic-ban-decision-and-doping-scandal-live/0 -
I'll do anything to stop him.TheScreamingEagles said:
Boris will do anything to be PM, including all of the above involving FarageCasino_Royale said:
Do you think I'm going to let that happen, or any of us sane Leavers?TheScreamingEagles said:
If Farage joins/is ennobled/becomes a member of a post Leave Tory led government, I'm outta hereCasino_Royale said:
Don't go.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sadly not. I spent last night contemplating life outside of the Tory party.Alanbrooke said:
did it ask you which of the two conservative parties you'd vote for ?TheScreamingEagles said:Just completed an Opinium EURef poll
Farage has caused nothing but trouble for us and contaminated our campaign.
I detest him.0 -
Yes, which is why you will enjoy it.Jobabob said:
The combo of him and Trump next week is pretty stomach turningCasino_Royale said:
Do you think I'm going to let that happen, or any of us sane Leavers?TheScreamingEagles said:
If Farage joins/is ennobled/becomes a member of a post Leave Tory led government, I'm outta hereCasino_Royale said:
Don't go.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sadly not. I spent last night contemplating life outside of the Tory party.Alanbrooke said:
did it ask you which of the two conservative parties you'd vote for ?TheScreamingEagles said:Just completed an Opinium EURef poll
Farage has caused nothing but trouble for us and contaminated our campaign.
I detest him.
You don't ascribe any positives to Leave and revel in our misfortunes.0 -
The genie is out of the bottle. Good. HMG and particularly the media should be for everyone.another_richard said:
Not forgetting carrot-crunchers, football hooligans, people in semis in Watford and of course this:PlatoSaid said:
Cobblers - when the main parties are *all the same* - millions of disenfranchised voters revolt. They join and vote for fringe parties to make their point instead.FF43 said:
There is nothing more zero sum than a referendum, which is why I don't like them. You are going to people and asking "Which is it? Yes or No? Black or White? Take it or Leave it?" When it really is "Depends. Up to a Point. Let's see what we get and then make a decision." Or even, "I don't know - you work it out."another_richard said:
We are in an era of demonization on all sides.RealBritain said:
"I completely understand that Leavers feel very upset about any linkage between the referendum campaign and Jo Cox's death. Whatever her killer's motives, he and he alone is responsible for his actions.
But - and yes, there is a but - Leavers need to understand that many small l liberals quite genuinely believe that the nature of the Leave campaign has contributed to an atmosphere of intolerance and demonisation in which an attack on someone active in politics seems not acceptable but expectable. Those small l liberals aren't saying it for tactical advantage in the referendum campaign, they believe it."
Yes.
Politics is now a zero sum game - for your side to gain the people on the other side need to lose.
Its 'take it from them and give it to me'.
And its a lot easier to 'take from them' if they can be demonised.
Even better if they can be successfully demonised then taking from them becomes the 'righteous' thing to do.
When you elect representatives, one lot is basically as good as another. It isn't as stark.
We only got a referendum *because* one of the main parties was scared it'd lose too many more votes to UKIP. And now the can of worms is open. And those who wanted to ignore all the unhappiness are being faced with it - in spades.
They don't like it - so name-call 50% of the population waycists, xenophobes, stupid, vulgar, Little Englanders and on and on and on.
That's not grown-up politics, it's childish and insulting.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3609357/Operation-Black-Vote-unveils-controversial-referendum-poster-comparing-Asian-woman-angry-white-thug-Nigel-Farage-claims-goes-far.html
The Stuart Rose / Emily Thornberry mentality is never short of intolerance and demonisation of people different to themselves.
Britain is not going to be a happy place now that it has discovered what it thinks of other parts of it.0 -
Some of us remember the dark days of IDS.Alanbrooke said:
You remainers have a bizarre fascination with Boris and IDS, Makes mine with Osborne look mild. This is a win win no PM Boris no PM George. IDS is history.TheScreamingEagles said:
Boris will do anything to be PM, including all of the above involving FarageCasino_Royale said:
Do you think I'm going to let that happen, or any of us sane Leavers?TheScreamingEagles said:
If Farage joins/is ennobled/becomes a member of a post Leave Tory led government, I'm outta hereCasino_Royale said:
Don't go.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sadly not. I spent last night contemplating life outside of the Tory party.Alanbrooke said:
did it ask you which of the two conservative parties you'd vote for ?TheScreamingEagles said:Just completed an Opinium EURef poll
Farage has caused nothing but trouble for us and contaminated our campaign.
I detest him.
You have a chance to pick a normal person.
As a CCHQ staffer put it, IDS stood for In Deep Shit.0 -
I knew you were from Norfolk AM but you've progressed in the world since then.AlastairMeeks said:@another_richard I'll own up to "carrot crunchers". Obviously the irony of a Norfolk boy using it passed you (though not, I think, @Alanbrooke ) by.
To be honest I had a Thornberry moment myself when my neighbour decorated his house and car with flags last week.
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I am also starting to wonder if the general public feel the same way as the politicians do about this. The politicians and journos are going to be strongly focused on this as it is one of their own. I guess it is worth comparing the news coverage with that of the policeman who was run over when deploying the stinger.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
If my real life conversations today are anything to go by, no effect.Wanderer said:I don't think post-murder polls will tell us much about its impact. It takes a few days for events to feed into voting intention. But (at risk of repeating myself) I don't think it will have much effect anyway.
Football and Brexit (as if yesterday didn't happen)
Just a couple of odd afterthought comments about the late MP. Has impacted about as much as a news report about a victim of a fatal accident on the M1
Its not as if anyone outside politics had ever heard of her until this kicked off
I expect there might be a strong impact on the referendum in Kirklees but less so elsewhere0 -
The feckless poor, scroungers, underclass, Chavs, the client state and so on. And that's before we get onto trade unionists and public sector workers.another_richard said:
Not forgetting carrot-crunchers, football hooligans, people in semis in Watford and of course this:PlatoSaid said:
Cobblers - when the main parties are *all the same* - millions of disenfranchised voters revolt. They join and vote for fringe parties to make their point instead.FF43 said:
There is nothing more zero it out."another_richard said:
We are in an era of demonization on all sides.RealBritain said:
"I completely understand that Leavers feel very upset about any linkage between the referendum campaign and Jo Cox's death. Whatever her killer's motives, he and he alone is responsible for his actions.
But - and yes, there is a but - Leavers need to understand that many small l liberals quite genuinely believe that the nature of the Leave campaign has contributed to an atmosphere of intolerance and demonisation in which an attack on someone active in politics seems not acceptable but expectable. Those small l liberals aren't saying it for tactical advantage in the referendum campaign, they believe it."
Yes.
Politics is now a zero sum game - for your side to gain the people on the other side need to lose.
Its 'take it from them and give it to me'.
And its a lot easier to 'take from them' if they can be demonised.
Even better if they can be successfully demonised then taking from them becomes the 'righteous' thing to do.
When you elect representatives, one lot is basically as good as another. It isn't as stark.
We it - in spades.
They don't like it - so name-call 50% of the population waycists, xenophobes, stupid, vulgar, Little Englanders and on and on and on.
That's not grown-up politics, it's childish and insulting.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3609357/Operation-Black-Vote-unveils-controversial-referendum-poster-comparing-Asian-woman-angry-white-thug-Nigel-Farage-claims-goes-far.html
The Stuart Rose / Emily Thornberry mentality is never short of intolerance and demonisation of people different to themselves.
Britain is not going to be a happy place now that it has discovered what it thinks of other parts of it.
The contempt for the working class from the right has been as vicious as anything thrown from the left. And the right have also put in place plenty of policies over the last few years that have actively hurt working class people - all cheered on by many people on this board who have suddenly discovered the working class may actually be politically useful.
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We're all talking about the same Tory party, right?Alanbrooke said:
You remainers have a bizarre fascination with Boris and IDS, Makes mine with Osborne look mild. This is a win win no PM Boris no PM George. IDS is history.TheScreamingEagles said:
Boris will do anything to be PM, including all of the above involving FarageCasino_Royale said:
Do you think I'm going to let that happen, or any of us sane Leavers?TheScreamingEagles said:
If Farage joins/is ennobled/becomes a member of a post Leave Tory led government, I'm outta hereCasino_Royale said:
Don't go.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sadly not. I spent last night contemplating life outside of the Tory party.Alanbrooke said:
did it ask you which of the two conservative parties you'd vote for ?TheScreamingEagles said:Just completed an Opinium EURef poll
Farage has caused nothing but trouble for us and contaminated our campaign.
I detest him.
You have a chance to pick a normal person.
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What's this bullshit that Russian athletes can compete at the Olympics as neutrals.0
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Irony isn't his strong suit.TGOHF said:
And with Corbynblackburn63 said:Interesting that campaigning has ceased everywhere except pb.com.
"It’s an attack on democracy, what happened yesterday; it’s the well of hatred that killed her."
Says the friend of the IRA.. 0 -
What f##king cop out. All athletes have to do the drug testing at competitions, but only an idiot turns up juiced like Ben Johnson. Either they have something they know passes current tests (how many are caught retrospectively these days) and more likely will have already taken advantage of the drugs.Sandpit said:Russian Track & Field team banned from Olympics.
Door left open for athletes to compete as independents if they submit to international drug testing regimes and can prove themselves clean. These include pole vaulter Yelena Isembeyeva who is going for a third consecutive Gold in Rio.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/athletics/2016/06/17/russian-olympic-ban-decision-and-doping-scandal-live/0 -
Look on the bright side Mr Meeks these days urban farming is the new thing !AlastairMeeks said:@another_richard I'll own up to "carrot crunchers". Obviously the irony of a Norfolk boy using it passed you (though not, I think, @Alanbrooke ) by.
You can be a metropolitan and go back to your roots .
I know a scotsman who can advise you on turnips :-)0 -
A very unfortunate headline for David Cameron from 2014:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/put-britain-first-says-david-cameron-as-he-reveals-plan-to-cut-benefits-for-immigrants-9636286.html0 -
Paging @kle4FrancisUrquhart said:What's this bullshit that Russian athletes can compete at the Olympics as neutrals.
Filthy neutrals and all that0 -
I won't enjoy Remain losing, which it willCasino_Royale said:
Yes, which is why you will enjoy it.Jobabob said:
The combo of him and Trump next week is pretty stomach turningCasino_Royale said:
Do you think I'm going to let that happen, or any of us sane Leavers?TheScreamingEagles said:
If Farage joins/is ennobled/becomes a member of a post Leave Tory led government, I'm outta hereCasino_Royale said:
Don't go.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sadly not. I spent last night contemplating life outside of the Tory party.Alanbrooke said:
did it ask you which of the two conservative parties you'd vote for ?TheScreamingEagles said:Just completed an Opinium EURef poll
Farage has caused nothing but trouble for us and contaminated our campaign.
I detest him.
You don't ascribe any positives to Leave and revel in our misfortunes.0 -
I am not sure the far-left is that well-known for its consistency.RealBritain said:
As I understand the far-left have not been supporting Remain. I don't expect unrest if either side win, but I do expect a diseased and difficult political climate that won't be too easy to clear.SouthamObserver said:
Completely agree, though I doubt we will see any unrest if Remain wins. If Leave wins, I'd expect the Trots and the SWP to be out and about looking for trouble.Casino_Royale said:
Either way, it's a disaster.MarqueeMark said:
All too murky...MP_SE said:
The man who claimed Britain First was shouted has been found on a list of BNP supporters. The BNP and Britain First despise each other.MarqueeMark said:
There's going to be quite an interesting piece of investigative journalism on the origins of "Britain First".... That it appeared from nowhere when it did looks VERY convenient for Remain.shiney2 said:
Most importantly, Jo lost her life and her family a mother and wife. In addition to that:
If Remain win, the result will now probably be blamed on this. The result is in serious danger of being rejected, particularly due to all the Brexit leads prior to the event, and could spawn many conspiracy theories. It could lead to some real unrest. Ugly.
If Leave win, negotiations will be soured by some in the EU thinking we've just shrugged off a strand of Nazi-lite thinking, that's how they'll see it, which leaves serious questions hanging over us.
The stakes just got even higher.
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I miss James. If ever you were bored and felt like a spat just for the sake of it he was game on.John_M said:
I for one do not miss *tears of laughter* and *titter* and *chortle*. I do however, miss Martin Day. If only he could have metaphorically lived to see this day.Alanbrooke said:
no a proper one with James Kelly and Mick Pork and the cast of wings over somersetTheScreamingEagles said:
I did a few days ago. Brexit leads to Indyref2 threadAlanbrooke said:
What we need is an Indyerf2 thread.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was going to publish an AV related thread tonight, but have had to push that to either tomorrow or Sunday.Alanbrooke said:
well I think we all need a cooling off things were getting progressively more heated.TheScreamingEagles said:
The mods tell me naughty step for the weekend.Alanbrooke said:
anyhoo Darth Eagles, what;s the status with Moniker ?TheScreamingEagles said:
There is no exit poll.Sunil_Prasannan said:
But I have a cunning plan, the same one wot I used on Election Day:Pulpstar said:
Deary me Sunil. What a school boy error that was !Sunil_Prasannan said:Oh shit!
I just remembered I have to give a presentation in Coventry on Thursday morning
And I missed the deadline for the postal vote!
Catch a train from Coventry during the late afternoon, get the Tube from London Euston to Gants Hill, vote (natch!), then do the reverse journey and get back to the Midlands just in time for the 10pm exit poll! It will cost me a train ticket, but "the country comes first"!
Populus for sure, and YouGov will be doing recontacting on the day polls.
naughty step or Siberia ?
hows about a lighter thread or two ?
your top 3 PB moments ?
ah fun days0 -
Which flag will they appear with?FrancisUrquhart said:What's this bullshit that Russian athletes can compete at the Olympics as neutrals.
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There seems to be an increasing narrative from labour that this was a hate crime and most labour politician seems to be trying to tie it in with Farage and his poster. I cannot stand the man but Alastair Campbell directly levered into an interview on Sky and the International coverage is doing the same. Whether it is fair or not I believe with more information coming out about the alleged assassin over the next few days and with the HOC tribute on Monday it may just be that Farage could have lost this for leave from a winning position. Indeed the betting and money markets seem to be indicating a more likely result will be remain. My own personal view is that leave may just win but it is less certain than it was and I also believe that any polls researched before yesterday's terrible events need to be considered with caution0
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On literally any subject under the Sun.Alanbrooke said:
I miss James. If ever you were bored and felt like a spat just for the sake of it he was game on.John_M said:
I for one do not miss *tears of laughter* and *titter* and *chortle*. I do however, miss Martin Day. If only he could have metaphorically lived to see this day.Alanbrooke said:
no a proper one with James Kelly and Mick Pork and the cast of wings over somersetTheScreamingEagles said:
I did a few days ago. Brexit leads to Indyref2 threadAlanbrooke said:
What we need is an Indyerf2 thread.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was going to publish an AV related thread tonight, but have had to push that to either tomorrow or Sunday.Alanbrooke said:
well I think we all need a cooling off things were getting progressively more heated.TheScreamingEagles said:
The mods tell me naughty step for the weekend.Alanbrooke said:
anyhoo Darth Eagles, what;s the status with Moniker ?TheScreamingEagles said:
There is no exit poll.Sunil_Prasannan said:
But I have a cunning plan, the same one wot I used on Election Day:Pulpstar said:
Deary me Sunil. What a school boy error that was !Sunil_Prasannan said:Oh shit!
I just remembered I have to give a presentation in Coventry on Thursday morning
And I missed the deadline for the postal vote!
Catch a train from Coventry during the late afternoon, get the Tube from London Euston to Gants Hill, vote (natch!), then do the reverse journey and get back to the Midlands just in time for the 10pm exit poll! It will cost me a train ticket, but "the country comes first"!
Populus for sure, and YouGov will be doing recontacting on the day polls.
naughty step or Siberia ?
hows about a lighter thread or two ?
your top 3 PB moments ?
ah fun days0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll be a bastard, outside the tent, pissing in.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Where to? Libertarian?TheScreamingEagles said:
If Farage joins/is ennobled/becomes a member of a post Leave Tory led government, I'm outta hereCasino_Royale said:
Don't go.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sadly not. I spent last night contemplating life outside of the Tory party.Alanbrooke said:
did it ask you which of the two conservative parties you'd vote for ?TheScreamingEagles said:Just completed an Opinium EURef poll
Presumably one of John Major's bastards.0 -
You are so full of poison for these people "from the right" that I worry for your sanity. Do you ever smile, have fun or eat chocolate?SouthamObserver said:
The feckless poor, scroungers, underclass, Chavs, the client state and so on. And that's before we get onto trade unionists and public sector workers.another_richard said:
Not forgetting carrot-crunchers, football hooligans, people in semis in Watford and of course this:PlatoSaid said:
Cobblers - when the main parties are *all the same* - millions of disenfranchised voters revolt. They join and vote for fringe parties to make their point instead.FF43 said:
There is nothing more zero it out."another_richard said:
We are in an era of demonization on all sides.RealBritain said:
"I completely understand that Leavers feel very upset about any linkage between the referendum campaign and Jo Cox's death. Whatever her killer's motives, he and he alone is responsible for his actions.
But - and yes, there is a but - Leavers nee......
Yes.
Politics is now a zero sum game - for your side to gain the people on the other side need to lose.
Its 'take it from them and give it to me'.
And its a lot easier to 'take from them' if they can be demonised.
Even better if they can be successfully demonised then taking from them becomes the 'righteous' thing to do.
When you elect representatives, one lot is basically as good as another. It isn't as stark.
We it - in spades.
They don't like it - so name-call 50% of the population waycists, xenophobes, stupid, vulgar, Little Englanders and on and on and on.
That's not grown-up politics, it's childish and insulting.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3609357/Operation-Black-Vote-unveils-controversial-referendum-poster-comparing-Asian-woman-angry-white-thug-Nigel-Farage-claims-goes-far.html
The Stuart Rose / Emily Thornberry mentality is never short of intolerance and demonisation of people different to themselves.
Britain is not going to be a happy place now that it has discovered what it thinks of other parts of it.
The contempt for the working class from the right has been as vicious as anything thrown from the left. And the right have also put in place plenty of policies over the last few years that have actively hurt working class people - all cheered on by many people on this board who have suddenly discovered the working class may actually be politically useful. 0 -
Time for me to take a break from
PB. I'll be back at some stage!0 -
The Olympic flag?PlatoSaid said:
Which flag will they appear with?FrancisUrquhart said:What's this bullshit that Russian athletes can compete at the Olympics as neutrals.
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Under the flag of putin-stan...its two needles crossed above a middle finger gesture.PlatoSaid said:
Which flag will they appear with?FrancisUrquhart said:What's this bullshit that Russian athletes can compete at the Olympics as neutrals.
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Looks like it's restricted to those who have been training (and testing) outside Russia, eg Athlete who competes for Russia but lives in Europe or the US.FrancisUrquhart said:
What f##king cop out.Sandpit said:Russian Track & Field team banned from Olympics.
Door left open for athletes to compete as independents if they submit to international drug testing regimes and can prove themselves clean. These include pole vaulter Yelena Isembeyeva who is going for a third consecutive Gold in Rio.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/athletics/2016/06/17/russian-olympic-ban-decision-and-doping-scandal-live/
Seems fair enough that they should be allowed in TBH, the problems are with the Russian testing system which from the reports aired today is utterly corrupt.
Most likely they were scared of getting sued by people who weren't in the system that has been found at fault.0 -
How about a diversionary thread about the banning of Russia from the Rio Olympics?
Interesting that Russian drug whilstleblowers will be allowed to compete as neutrals (if they are brave enough to attend).0 -
The Gay Pride one.RobD said:
The Olympic flag?PlatoSaid said:
Which flag will they appear with?FrancisUrquhart said:What's this bullshit that Russian athletes can compete at the Olympics as neutrals.
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But Farage won't have a vote in the leadership election.TheScreamingEagles said:
Boris will do anything to be PM, including all of the above involving FarageCasino_Royale said:
Do you think I'm going to let that happen, or any of us sane Leavers?TheScreamingEagles said:
If Farage joins/is ennobled/becomes a member of a post Leave Tory led government, I'm outta hereCasino_Royale said:
Don't go.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sadly not. I spent last night contemplating life outside of the Tory party.Alanbrooke said:
did it ask you which of the two conservative parties you'd vote for ?TheScreamingEagles said:Just completed an Opinium EURef poll
Farage has caused nothing but trouble for us and contaminated our campaign.
I detest him.0 -
LOL with Neil snapping at his heels undermining every point James made.RobD said:
On literally any subject under the Sun.Alanbrooke said:
I miss James. If ever you were bored and felt like a spat just for the sake of it he was game on.John_M said:
I for one do not miss *tears of laughter* and *titter* and *chortle*. I do however, miss Martin Day. If only he could have metaphorically lived to see this day.Alanbrooke said:
no a proper one with James Kelly and Mick Pork and the cast of wings over somersetTheScreamingEagles said:
I did a few days ago. Brexit leads to Indyref2 threadAlanbrooke said:
What we need is an Indyerf2 thread.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was going to publish an AV related thread tonight, but have had to push that to either tomorrow or Sunday.Alanbrooke said:
well I think we all need a cooling off things were getting progressively more heated.TheScreamingEagles said:
The mods tell me naughty step for the weekend.Alanbrooke said:
anyhoo Darth Eagles, what;s the status with Moniker ?TheScreamingEagles said:
There is no exit poll.Sunil_Prasannan said:
But I have a cunning plan, the same one wot I used on Election Day:Pulpstar said:
Deary me Sunil. What a school boy error that was !Sunil_Prasannan said:Oh shit!
I just remembered I have to give a presentation in Coventry on Thursday morning
And I missed the deadline for the postal vote!
Catch a train from Coventry during the late afternoon, get the Tube from London Euston to Gants Hill, vote (natch!), then do the reverse journey and get back to the Midlands just in time for the 10pm exit poll! It will cost me a train ticket, but "the country comes first"!
Populus for sure, and YouGov will be doing recontacting on the day polls.
naughty step or Siberia ?
hows about a lighter thread or two ?
your top 3 PB moments ?
ah fun days0 -
Scantily-clad gents handing them flowers and medals?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Gay Pride one.RobD said:
The Olympic flag?PlatoSaid said:
Which flag will they appear with?FrancisUrquhart said:What's this bullshit that Russian athletes can compete at the Olympics as neutrals.
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It's a way to shut down any discussion of the perceived xenophobic and racist aspects of the Leave campaign. Those who complain are likened to spoilt children, not adults. Thus, what they say can be safely ignored. So, if you think the Farage poster was remarkably similar to a piece of Nazi propaganda you are accusing anyone who supports Leave of being a "waycist". You know the rest.Jobabob said:
What is it with the deliberate misspelling of racist? It's very, very odd.PlatoSaid said:
Cobblers - when the main parties are *all the same* - millions of disenfranchised voters revolt. They join and vote for fringe parties to make their point instead.FF43 said:
There is nothing more zero sum than a referendum, which is why I don't like them. You are going to people and asking "Which is it? Yes or No? Black or White? Take it or Leave it?" When it really is "Depends. Up to a Point. Let's see what we get and then make a decision." Or even, "I don't know - you work it out."another_richard said:
We are in an era of demonization on all sides.RealBritain said:
"I completely understand that Leavers feel very upset about any linkage between the referendum campaign and Jo Cox's death. Whatever her killer's motives, he and he alone is responsible for his actions.
But - and yes, there is a but - Leavers need to understand that many small l liberals quite genuinely believe that the nature of the Leave campaign has contributed to an atmosphere of intolerance and demonisation in which an attack on someone active in politics seems not acceptable but expectable. Those small l liberals aren't saying it for tactical advantage in the referendum campaign, they believe it."
Yes.
Politics is now a zero sum game - for your side to gain the people on the other side need to lose.
Its 'take it from them and give it to me'.
And its a lot easier to 'take from them' if they can be demonised.
Even better if they can be successfully demonised then taking from them becomes the 'righteous' thing to do.
When you elect representatives, one lot is basically as good as another. It isn't as stark.
We only got a referendum *because* one of the main parties was scared it'd lose too many more votes to UKIP. And now the can of worms is open. And those who wanted to ignore all the unhappiness are being faced with it - in spades.
They don't like it - so name-call 50% of the population waycists, xenophobes, stupid, vulgar, Little Englanders and on and on and on.
That's not grown-up politics, it's childish and insulting.
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The Pro EU bastards.David_Evershed said:TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll be a bastard, outside the tent, pissing in.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Where to? Libertarian?TheScreamingEagles said:
If Farage joins/is ennobled/becomes a member of a post Leave Tory led government, I'm outta hereCasino_Royale said:
Don't go.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sadly not. I spent last night contemplating life outside of the Tory party.Alanbrooke said:
did it ask you which of the two conservative parties you'd vote for ?TheScreamingEagles said:Just completed an Opinium EURef poll
Presumably one of John Major's bastards.
I'll be such a smug bastard in the event of Brexit.0 -
With yet another username I am sure.Jobabob said:Time for me to take a break from
PB. I'll be back at some stage!0 -
The BBC News website is bordering on the farcical. If Diana had died during the internet age, I don't think you would have seen much more coverage.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
If my real life conversations today are anything to go by, no effect.Wanderer said:I don't think post-murder polls will tell us much about its impact. It takes a few days for events to feed into voting intention. But (at risk of repeating myself) I don't think it will have much effect anyway.
Football and Brexit (as if yesterday didn't happen)
Just a couple of odd afterthought comments about the late MP. Has impacted about as much as a news report about a victim of a fatal accident on the M1
Its not as if anyone outside politics had ever heard of her until this kicked off
13 stories - including a rolling news feed and 'In Pictures'
5 videos - including of a little girl crying at the murder scene; and a Canadian MP crying
I see Labour have opened a book of condolence. Will there be one in every town? Was there one for Lee Rigby?
It's unseemly. The Westminster and media elite have circled the wagons.
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That would be the precident, when athletes from the former Soviet Union competed under a CIS banner with the Olympic flag at Barcelona in 1992.RobD said:
The Olympic flag?PlatoSaid said:
Which flag will they appear with?FrancisUrquhart said:What's this bullshit that Russian athletes can compete at the Olympics as neutrals.
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And a kiss from Antoine de Caunes and JeanPaul GaultierRobD said:
Scantily-clad gents handing them flowers and medals?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Gay Pride one.RobD said:
The Olympic flag?PlatoSaid said:
Which flag will they appear with?FrancisUrquhart said:What's this bullshit that Russian athletes can compete at the Olympics as neutrals.
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I absolutely respect that. For all that some say it isn't, politics is tribal. I've been a Labour party member for my entire adult life but my level of involvement has gone from one end of the scale to the other. My strike over Iraq and the general sense of direction lasted 8 years in the end - I waited until my party came more in line with what I wanted them to be before getting active again.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's the Tories or nowhere for me.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Where to? Libertarian?TheScreamingEagles said:
If Farage joins/is ennobled/becomes a member of a post Leave Tory led government, I'm outta hereCasino_Royale said:
Don't go.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sadly not. I spent last night contemplating life outside of the Tory party.Alanbrooke said:
did it ask you which of the two conservative parties you'd vote for ?TheScreamingEagles said:Just completed an Opinium EURef poll
I can't see me doing a Winston McKenzie0 -
Indeed so.SouthamObserver said:
The feckless poor, scroungers, underclass, Chavs, the client state and so on. And that's before we get onto trade unionists and public sector workers.another_richard said:
Not forgetting carrot-crunchers, football hooligans, people in semis in Watford and of course this:PlatoSaid said:
Cobblers - when the main parties are *all the same* - millions of disenfranchised voters revolt. They join and vote for fringe parties to make their point instead.
We it - in spades.
They don't like it - so name-call 50% of the population waycists, xenophobes, stupid, vulgar, Little Englanders and on and on and on.
That's not grown-up politics, it's childish and insulting.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3609357/Operation-Black-Vote-unveils-controversial-referendum-poster-comparing-Asian-woman-angry-white-thug-Nigel-Farage-claims-goes-far.html
The Stuart Rose / Emily Thornberry mentality is never short of intolerance and demonisation of people different to themselves.
Britain is not going to be a happy place now that it has discovered what it thinks of other parts of it.
The contempt for the working class from the right has been as vicious as anything thrown from the left. And the right have also put in place plenty of policies over the last few years that have actively hurt working class people - all cheered on by many people on this board who have suddenly discovered the working class may actually be politically useful.
And before that the gloating of guardianista wimmen about the 'mancession' of 2008-2009 as working class men lost their jobs in manufacturing and construction.
Or the glee of Labour when they shat on rural areas whilst in government.
Then there was the 'bigoted women' Mrs Duffy - how much sympathy did she get from metropolitan leftists ?
Who was it who said "its not enough to succeed, others must fail" ?
That's the mentality of Britain now.
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On a totally unrelated topic, how does one go about enrolling in the Olympics?Alanbrooke said:
And a kiss from Antoine de Caunes and JeanPaul GaultierRobD said:
Scantily-clad gents handing them flowers and medals?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Gay Pride one.RobD said:
The Olympic flag?PlatoSaid said:
Which flag will they appear with?FrancisUrquhart said:What's this bullshit that Russian athletes can compete at the Olympics as neutrals.
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At this point who knows? The police will be delighted to know that I'm prepared to wait until they report on their investigations before I make any judgements. The Internet is remarkably silly at times like this.Big_G_NorthWales said:There seems to be an increasing narrative from labour that this was a hate crime and most labour politician seems to be trying to tie it in with Farage and his poster. I cannot stand the man but Alastair Campbell directly levered into an interview on Sky and the International coverage is doing the same. Whether it is fair or not I believe with more information coming out about the alleged assassin over the next few days and with the HOC tribute on Monday it may just be that Farage could have lost this for leave from a winning position. Indeed the betting and money markets seem to be indicating a more likely result will be remain. My own personal view is that leave may just win but it is less certain than it was and I also believe that any polls researched before yesterday's terrible events need to be considered with caution
I would say that the improvements in the stock market are more likely tied to some recent good news (e.g. Fed deferring the expected rate rise, ECB/BoE announcing full liquidity support in the event of Brexit) than any premonition of victory for Remain. I think it's also a triple witching day.0 -
The day after GE2015 would have been of deep joy to Martin Day on the subject of the yellow peril.John_M said:
I for one do not miss *tears of laughter* and *titter* and *chortle*. I do however, miss Martin Day. If only he could have metaphorically lived to see this day.Alanbrooke said:
no a proper one with James Kelly and Mick Pork and the cast of wings over somersetTheScreamingEagles said:
I did a few days ago. Brexit leads to Indyref2 threadAlanbrooke said:
What we need is an Indyerf2 thread.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was going to publish an AV related thread tonight, but have had to push that to either tomorrow or Sunday.Alanbrooke said:
well I think we all need a cooling off things were getting progressively more heated.TheScreamingEagles said:
The mods tell me naughty step for the weekend.Alanbrooke said:
anyhoo Darth Eagles, what;s the status with Moniker ?TheScreamingEagles said:
There is no exit poll.Sunil_Prasannan said:
But I have a cunning plan, the same one wot I used on Election Day:Pulpstar said:
Deary me Sunil. What a school boy error that was !Sunil_Prasannan said:Oh shit!
I just remembered I have to give a presentation in Coventry on Thursday morning
And I missed the deadline for the postal vote!
Catch a train from Coventry during the late afternoon, get the Tube from London Euston to Gants Hill, vote (natch!), then do the reverse journey and get back to the Midlands just in time for the 10pm exit poll! It will cost me a train ticket, but "the country comes first"!
Populus for sure, and YouGov will be doing recontacting on the day polls.
naughty step or Siberia ?
hows about a lighter thread or two ?
your top 3 PB moments ?
ah fun days
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That you actually believe that is entertaining.TGOHF said:
And with Corbynblackburn63 said:Interesting that campaigning has ceased everywhere except pb.com.
"It’s an attack on democracy, what happened yesterday; it’s the well of hatred that killed her."
Says the friend of the IRA..0 -
I think it is more likely that it will repulse the voters and cement a leave win. By levelling "hate" at leave they are levelling "hate" at their voters and that will not go down well.Big_G_NorthWales said:There seems to be an increasing narrative from labour that this was a hate crime and most labour politician seems to be trying to tie it in with Farage and his poster. I cannot stand the man but Alastair Campbell directly levered into an interview on Sky and the International coverage is doing the same. Whether it is fair or not I believe with more information coming out about the alleged assassin over the next few days and with the HOC tribute on Monday it may just be that Farage could have lost this for leave from a winning position. Indeed the betting and money markets seem to be indicating a more likely result will be remain. My own personal view is that leave may just win but it is less certain than it was and I also believe that any polls researched before yesterday's terrible events need to be considered with caution
Neither will the general over the top hoo hah about one death among their own from people who are quite willing to send soldiers to their death on dubious neo imperialist foreign adventures and quite willing to allow the EU to insist that murderers and the like from other EU countries are able to live here.0 -
How will we tell the difference ? :-)TheScreamingEagles said:
The Pro EU bastards.David_Evershed said:TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll be a bastard, outside the tent, pissing in.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Where to? Libertarian?TheScreamingEagles said:
If Farage joins/is ennobled/becomes a member of a post Leave Tory led government, I'm outta hereCasino_Royale said:
Don't go.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sadly not. I spent last night contemplating life outside of the Tory party.Alanbrooke said:
did it ask you which of the two conservative parties you'd vote for ?TheScreamingEagles said:Just completed an Opinium EURef poll
Presumably one of John Major's bastards.
I'll be such a smug bastard in the event of Brexit.0 -
This is wall to wall broadcast coverage and Sky are saying just now that proper campaigning will not start before Tuesday. I cannot believe that over the next few days anyone will be unaware of this tragic eventKentRising said:
The BBC News website is bordering on the farcical. If Diana had died during the internet age, I don't think you would have seen much more coverage.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
If my real life conversations today are anything to go by, no effect.Wanderer said:I don't think post-murder polls will tell us much about its impact. It takes a few days for events to feed into voting intention. But (at risk of repeating myself) I don't think it will have much effect anyway.
Football and Brexit (as if yesterday didn't happen)
Just a couple of odd afterthought comments about the late MP. Has impacted about as much as a news report about a victim of a fatal accident on the M1
Its not as if anyone outside politics had ever heard of her until this kicked off
13 stories - including a rolling news feed and 'In Pictures'
5 videos - including of a little girl crying at the murder scene; and a Canadian MP crying0 -
Different colour shoes, perhaps?Alanbrooke said:
How will we tell the difference ? :-)TheScreamingEagles said:
The Pro EU bastards.David_Evershed said:TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll be a bastard, outside the tent, pissing in.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Where to? Libertarian?TheScreamingEagles said:
If Farage joins/is ennobled/becomes a member of a post Leave Tory led government, I'm outta hereCasino_Royale said:
Don't go.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sadly not. I spent last night contemplating life outside of the Tory party.Alanbrooke said:
did it ask you which of the two conservative parties you'd vote for ?TheScreamingEagles said:Just completed an Opinium EURef poll
Presumably one of John Major's bastards.
I'll be such a smug bastard in the event of Brexit.0 -
I do. But you are correct that I feel nothing but contempt for right wingers who have suddenly discovered that the working class have been having a pretty crap time of it for a number of years. And the idea that when Boris, Priti and co do take over they are going to be remotely concerned about people whose votes they no longer need and whose lives they know nothing about is far-fetched to say the least.TCPoliticalBetting said:
You are so full of poison for these people "from the right" that I worry for your sanity. Do you ever smile, have fun or eat chocolate?SouthamObserver said:
The feckless poor, scroungers, underclass, Chavs, the client state and so on. And that's before we get onto trade unionists and public sector workers.another_richard said:
Not forgetting carrot-crunchers, football hooligans, people in semis in Watford and of course this:PlatoSaid said:
Cobblers - instead.FF43 said:
There is nothing more zero it out."another_richard said:
We are in an era of demonization on all sides.RealBritain said:
"I completely understand that Leavers feel very upset about any linkage between the referendum campaign and Jo Cox's death. Whatever her killer's motives, he and he alone is responsible for his actions.
But - and yes, there is a but - Leavers nee......
Yes.
Politics is now a zero sum game - for your side to gain the people on the other side need to lose.
Its 'take it from them and give it to me'.
And ed.
Even better if they can be successfully demonised then taking from them becomes the 'righteous' thing to do.
When you elect representatives, one lot is basically as good as another. It isn't as stark.
We it - in spades.
They on and on.
That's not grown-up politics, it's childish and insulting.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3609357/Operation-Black-Vote-unveils-controversial-referendum-poster-comparing-Asian-woman-angry-white-thug-Nigel-Farage-claims-goes-far.html
The Stuart Rose / Emily Thornberry mentality is never short of intolerance and demonisation of people different to themselves.
Britain is not going to be a happy place now that it has discovered what it thinks of other parts of it.
The contempt for the working class from the right has been as vicious as anything thrown from the left. And the right have also put in place plenty of policies over the last few years that have actively hurt working class people - all cheered on by many people on this board who have suddenly discovered the working class may actually be politically useful.
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You think I'm going to spend Father Day on maudlin shroud waving ?Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is wall to wall broadcast coverage and Sky are saying just now that proper campaigning will not start before Tuesday. I cannot believe that over the next few days anyone will be unaware of this tragic eventKentRising said:
The BBC News website is bordering on the farcical. If Diana had died during the internet age, I don't think you would have seen much more coverage.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
If my real life conversations today are anything to go by, no effect.Wanderer said:I don't think post-murder polls will tell us much about its impact. It takes a few days for events to feed into voting intention. But (at risk of repeating myself) I don't think it will have much effect anyway.
Football and Brexit (as if yesterday didn't happen)
Just a couple of odd afterthought comments about the late MP. Has impacted about as much as a news report about a victim of a fatal accident on the M1
Its not as if anyone outside politics had ever heard of her until this kicked off
13 stories - including a rolling news feed and 'In Pictures'
5 videos - including of a little girl crying at the murder scene; and a Canadian MP crying0 -
I have nothing to offer but the polls, which indicate about a 4% lead for Leave...TGOHF said:
Whats your current prediction Rod ?RodCrosby said:
Well it already has had quite an impact on the campaign. But I don't think it will have any impact on the result beyond that, and campaigns tend not to have much effect anyhow, especially in the final days.Casino_Royale said:
Do you think this ghastly murder may have a material impact on the campaign, Rod?RodCrosby said:
44%, but two-and-a-half times the votes of the nearest party.RobD said:
Didn't they only get 40% of the vote? Or am I misremembering.RodCrosby said:
Goering reckoned the Nazis would have won every seat under FPTP...IanB2 said:
Given the regional concentrations of support in inter-war Germany it is probably that Hitler's mid-30% election result would have delivered him a straight majority, or very close to it, under FPTP, whereas in reality he had to bully and dupe Hindenburg and other parties to achieve total power.RobD said:
Quite rightMorris_Dancer said:Mr. D, not sure it was quite the same system, although I agree with you.
PR was responsible for Hitler coming to power. AV leads to depression, loneliness and Ed Miliband.
FPTP is the best system.
Cube-law theory gives the Nazis 90% of the seats, so Goering wasn't out of the ballpark.
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Hopefully someone will be charged with murder, that will shut the media up for fear of contempt.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is wall to wall broadcast coverage and Sky are saying just now that proper campaigning will not start before Tuesday. I cannot believe that over the next few days anyone will be unaware of this tragic eventKentRising said:
The BBC News website is bordering on the farcical. If Diana had died during the internet age, I don't think you would have seen much more coverage.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
If my real life conversations today are anything to go by, no effect.Wanderer said:I don't think post-murder polls will tell us much about its impact. It takes a few days for events to feed into voting intention. But (at risk of repeating myself) I don't think it will have much effect anyway.
Football and Brexit (as if yesterday didn't happen)
Just a couple of odd afterthought comments about the late MP. Has impacted about as much as a news report about a victim of a fatal accident on the M1
Its not as if anyone outside politics had ever heard of her until this kicked off
13 stories - including a rolling news feed and 'In Pictures'
5 videos - including of a little girl crying at the murder scene; and a Canadian MP crying0 -
I think you may be living in hope rather than reality but we will know in a weeks time the resultPaul_Bedfordshire said:
I think it is more likely that it will repulse the voters and cement a leave win. By levelling "hate" at leave they are levelling "hate" at their voters and that will not go down well.Big_G_NorthWales said:There seems to be an increasing narrative from labour that this was a hate crime and most labour politician seems to be trying to tie it in with Farage and his poster. I cannot stand the man but Alastair Campbell directly levered into an interview on Sky and the International coverage is doing the same. Whether it is fair or not I believe with more information coming out about the alleged assassin over the next few days and with the HOC tribute on Monday it may just be that Farage could have lost this for leave from a winning position. Indeed the betting and money markets seem to be indicating a more likely result will be remain. My own personal view is that leave may just win but it is less certain than it was and I also believe that any polls researched before yesterday's terrible events need to be considered with caution
Neither will the general over the top hoo hah about one death among their own from people who are quite willing to send soldiers to their death on dubious neo imperialist foreign adventures and quite willing to allow the EU to insist that murderers and the like from other EU countries are able to live here.0 -
Indeed! In his honour, I give you: "Taxi for the Lib Dem party!!".TCPoliticalBetting said:
The day after GE2015 would have been of deep joy to Martin Day on the subject of the yellow peril.John_M said:
I for one do not miss *tears of laughter* and *titter* and *chortle*. I do however, miss Martin Day. If only he could have metaphorically lived to see this day.Alanbrooke said:
no a proper one with James Kelly and Mick Pork and the cast of wings over somersetTheScreamingEagles said:
I did a few days ago. Brexit leads to Indyref2 threadAlanbrooke said:
What we need is an Indyerf2 thread.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was going to publish an AV related thread tonight, but have had to push that to either tomorrow or Sunday.Alanbrooke said:
well I think we all need a cooling off things were getting progressively more heated.TheScreamingEagles said:
The mods tell me naughty step for the weekend.Alanbrooke said:
anyhoo Darth Eagles, what;s the status with Moniker ?TheScreamingEagles said:
There is no exit poll.Sunil_Prasannan said:
But I have a cunning plan, the same one wot I used on Election Day:Pulpstar said:
Deary me Sunil. What a school boy error that was !Sunil_Prasannan said:Oh shit!
I just remembered I have to give a presentation in Coventry on Thursday morning
And I missed the deadline for the postal vote!
Catch a train from Coventry during the late afternoon, get the Tube from London Euston to Gants Hill, vote (natch!), then do the reverse journey and get back to the Midlands just in time for the 10pm exit poll! It will cost me a train ticket, but "the country comes first"!
Populus for sure, and YouGov will be doing recontacting on the day polls.
naughty step or Siberia ?
hows about a lighter thread or two ?
your top 3 PB moments ?
ah fun days0 -
That is a better comparison. The general tone of the (few) comments could be summed up as "Very sad for her family but as for the other MPs, now you have some idea what its like for many people trying to do their job who have to deal with the public. Grow a pair, get used to it and stop thinking you are something special."GarethoftheVale2 said:
I am also starting to wonder if the general public feel the same way as the politicians do about this. The politicians and journos are going to be strongly focused on this as it is one of their own. I guess it is worth comparing the news coverage with that of the policeman who was run over when deploying the stinger.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
If my real life conversations today are anything to go by, no effect.Wanderer said:I don't think post-murder polls will tell us much about its impact. It takes a few days for events to feed into voting intention. But (at risk of repeating myself) I don't think it will have much effect anyway.
Football and Brexit (as if yesterday didn't happen)
Just a couple of odd afterthought comments about the late MP. Has impacted about as much as a news report about a victim of a fatal accident on the M1
Its not as if anyone outside politics had ever heard of her until this kicked off
I expect there might be a strong impact on the referendum in Kirklees but less so elsewhere0 -
TouchéAlanbrooke said:
How will we tell the difference ? :-)TheScreamingEagles said:
The Pro EU bastards.David_Evershed said:TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll be a bastard, outside the tent, pissing in.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Where to? Libertarian?TheScreamingEagles said:
If Farage joins/is ennobled/becomes a member of a post Leave Tory led government, I'm outta hereCasino_Royale said:
Don't go.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sadly not. I spent last night contemplating life outside of the Tory party.Alanbrooke said:
did it ask you which of the two conservative parties you'd vote for ?TheScreamingEagles said:Just completed an Opinium EURef poll
Presumably one of John Major's bastards.
I'll be such a smug bastard in the event of Brexit.0 -
British voters are deeply and evenly divided about whether to quit the European Union in next week's historic vote, according to a NBC News/SurveyMonkey U.K. poll.
The new poll has the historic vote as a toss-up: 48 percent of Britons say they'll cast a vote to "Leave" the EU in the referendum known as "Brexit," and an identical 48 percent prefer to "Remain." A mere 4 percent are undecided just a week before the June 23 vote.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/brexit-referendum/poll-british-voters-split-brexit-think-eu-exit-vote-will-n5940860 -
Matt Singh
Re SurveyMonkey... They rarely poll in the UK although their pre-GE2015 poll was the only one to show a substantial Conservative lead0 -
Is this a properly sampled and weighted poll?TheScreamingEagles said:British voters are deeply and evenly divided about whether to quit the European Union in next week's historic vote, according to a NBC News/SurveyMonkey U.K. poll.
The new poll has the historic vote as a toss-up: 48 percent of Britons say they'll cast a vote to "Leave" the EU in the referendum known as "Brexit," and an identical 48 percent prefer to "Remain." A mere 4 percent are undecided just a week before the June 23 vote.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/brexit-referendum/poll-british-voters-split-brexit-think-eu-exit-vote-will-n5940860 -
Peter Hoskins
The Ketchup Song by Las
Ketchup has sold more copies than Queen’s Bohemian Rhapsody, according to @popbitch... https://t.co/r0LGFIZPMp0 -
Ah Eagles remember the days when you'd head down the dockside with Robert's mates from Goldman Sachs ?TheScreamingEagles said:
TouchéAlanbrooke said:
How will we tell the difference ? :-)TheScreamingEagles said:
The Pro EU bastards.David_Evershed said:TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll be a bastard, outside the tent, pissing in.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Where to? Libertarian?TheScreamingEagles said:
If Farage joins/is ennobled/becomes a member of a post Leave Tory led government, I'm outta hereCasino_Royale said:
Don't go.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sadly not. I spent last night contemplating life outside of the Tory party.Alanbrooke said:
did it ask you which of the two conservative parties you'd vote for ?TheScreamingEagles said:Just completed an Opinium EURef poll
Presumably one of John Major's bastards.
I'll be such a smug bastard in the event of Brexit.0 -
4% undecided seems very very low.TheScreamingEagles said:British voters are deeply and evenly divided about whether to quit the European Union in next week's historic vote, according to a NBC News/SurveyMonkey U.K. poll.
The new poll has the historic vote as a toss-up: 48 percent of Britons say they'll cast a vote to "Leave" the EU in the referendum known as "Brexit," and an identical 48 percent prefer to "Remain." A mere 4 percent are undecided just a week before the June 23 vote.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/brexit-referendum/poll-british-voters-split-brexit-think-eu-exit-vote-will-n5940860 -
http://www.lbc.co.uk/iain-slams-those-trying-to-politicise-jo-coxs-death---132411
""We have no idea, whether there was political angle to this murder yesterday. What we do know is that the man who has been arrested has a history of mental health problems."
"That is a fact. It's about the only fact that we do know."
"Now to attribute the hateful actions of one man to any political agenda at this stage speaks more about those who try to do this than they might like to admit.""0 -
They may not, but if they don't we can elect a radical left wing government who will sort it free of EU interference. We invented human rights and protection for workers. Damned if we need nanny EU to tell us what to do, and the EU could in any case become rather right wing if all these mainland nationalist parties keep doing well and then we could do damn all about it.SouthamObserver said:<
I do. But you are correct that I feel nothing but contempt for right wingers who have suddenly discovered that the working class have been having a pretty crap time of it for a number of years. And the idea that when Boris, Priti and co do take over they are going to be remotely concerned about people whose votes they no longer need and whose lives they know nothing about is far-fetched to say the least.
The issue is democracy. A parliament that is supreme with representatives having the power to sort things and the people having the power to boot them out if they don't
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Reposting from another (investing) forum that analyses Brexit etc: (P2P)
The poster knows his onions...
A few days ago I posted a link to an online poll showing an unbelievable 81% Leave vote www.pollstation.uk/eu-referendum/poll/ which is now up to c. 133,000 votes. Clearly the types of people finding and responding to that poll (I found it via a link on a broadsheet comment section) are not the average demographic that the polling agencies have so carefully constructed.
The bar graph on that page can be changed to a line graph over time by clicking the bottom right icon. Given the events of the last 24 hours, and what may be a muted tone for the remainder of the campaign, I thought it might be worth analysing how the votes on this poll have been allocated on a daily basis since the start of June.
Apart from the 9th of June, the 2000 plus votes added each day have been pretty consistently around the 80% mark for leave. The votes so far today seem in line with recent days.0 -
I am meant to spend the evening with a banker in the Manchester equivalent of the dockside, Canal StreetAlanbrooke said:
Ah Eagles remember the days when you'd head down the dockside with Robert's mates from Goldman Sachs ?TheScreamingEagles said:
TouchéAlanbrooke said:
How will we tell the difference ? :-)TheScreamingEagles said:
The Pro EU bastards.David_Evershed said:TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll be a bastard, outside the tent, pissing in.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Where to? Libertarian?TheScreamingEagles said:
If Farage joins/is ennobled/becomes a member of a post Leave Tory led government, I'm outta hereCasino_Royale said:
Don't go.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sadly not. I spent last night contemplating life outside of the Tory party.Alanbrooke said:
did it ask you which of the two conservative parties you'd vote for ?TheScreamingEagles said:Just completed an Opinium EURef poll
Presumably one of John Major's bastards.
I'll be such a smug bastard in the event of Brexit.0 -
I hope everyone who is a Father, or Grandfather like myself will have a wonderful and happy day on Sunday. Last year on Fathers day my eldest son married his Canadian fiancee in Kelowna, BC and it was the first time in 25 years my two sons, and my daughter had been with me on Fathers Day. At the end of this month he leaves New Zealand after 13 years and starts his married life in Vancouver.Alanbrooke said:
You think I'm going to spend Father Day on maudlin shroud waving ?Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is wall to wall broadcast coverage and Sky are saying just now that proper campaigning will not start before Tuesday. I cannot believe that over the next few days anyone will be unaware of this tragic eventKentRising said:
The BBC News website is bordering on the farcical. If Diana had died during the internet age, I don't think you would have seen much more coverage.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
If my real life conversations today are anything to go by, no effect.Wanderer said:I don't think post-murder polls will tell us much about its impact. It takes a few days for events to feed into voting intention. But (at risk of repeating myself) I don't think it will have much effect anyway.
Football and Brexit (as if yesterday didn't happen)
Just a couple of odd afterthought comments about the late MP. Has impacted about as much as a news report about a victim of a fatal accident on the M1
Its not as if anyone outside politics had ever heard of her until this kicked off
13 stories - including a rolling news feed and 'In Pictures'
5 videos - including of a little girl crying at the murder scene; and a Canadian MP crying0 -
Completely agree. This is not about left or right, it is about class. The middle class establishment - Leave and Remain - has shown it knows nothing about and cares very little for working class voters. They are the punch-bags of this country and will continue to be so. The truth is that the working class's problem is that it is now nowhere near 50% of the population. It is not important politically in normal circumstances and so can be safely ignored. It is Mondeo man who matters, or Worcester woman; not people that live in sink estates in Leeds, Liverpool or London. They either do not vote or live in very safe Labour constituencies. It's the nature of a referendum - no constituencies, a binary choice - that has given the working class its day in the sun. On 24th June they will be forgotten or despised once more.another_richard said:
Indeed so.SouthamObserver said:
The feckless poor, scroungers, underclass, Chavs, the client state and so on. And that's before we get onto trade unionists and public sector workers.another_richard said:
Not forgetting carrot-crunchers, football hooligans, people in semis in Watford and of course this:PlatoSaid said:
Cobblers - when the main parties are *all the same* - millions of disenfranchised voters revolt. They join and vote for fringe parties to make their point instead.
We it - in spades.
They don't like it - so name-call 50% of the population waycists, xenophobes, stupid, vulgar, Little Englanders and on and on and on.
That's not grown-up politics, it's childish and insulting.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3609357/Operation-Black-Vote-unveils-controversial-referendum-poster-comparing-Asian-woman-angry-white-thug-Nigel-Farage-claims-goes-far.html
The Stuart Rose / Emily Thornberry mentality is never short of intolerance and demonisation of people different to themselves.
Britain is not going to be a happy place now that it has discovered what it thinks of other parts of it.
The contempt for the working class from the right has been as vicious as anything thrown from the left. And the right have also put in place plenty of policies over the last few years that have actively hurt working class people - all cheered on by many people on this board who have suddenly discovered the working class may actually be politically useful.
And before that the gloating of guardianista wimmen about the 'mancession' of 2008-2009 as working class men lost their jobs in manufacturing and construction.
Or the glee of Labour when they shat on rural areas whilst in government.
Then there was the 'bigoted women' Mrs Duffy - how much sympathy did she get from metropolitan leftists ?
Who was it who said "its not enough to succeed, others must fail" ?
That's the mentality of Britain now.
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Immigration is now the only referendum topic for the REMAIN campaign and likely to stay that way until election day.
Is this the master strategy REMAIN have been seeking? Will they produce posters with pictures of immigrants invading?
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Anecdote alert (Scottish edition):
Out with friends for a fortifying drink last night. All early 40s, professional jobs. Balance of Yes/No voters in Indyref. All voting Remain.
Very worried about EU ref as their parents (all were indyref No voters) had already postal voted, or were planning to vote Leave and were pretty passionate about it. Affluent central Scotland middle class types.0 -
Online self selecting polls attract mainly the most fanatical and are basically worthlessPulpstar said:Reposting from another (investing) forum that analyses Brexit etc: (P2P)
The poster knows his onions...
A few days ago I posted a link to an online poll showing an unbelievable 81% Leave vote www.pollstation.uk/eu-referendum/poll/ which is now up to c. 133,000 votes. Clearly the types of people finding and responding to that poll (I found it via a link on a broadsheet comment section) are not the average demographic that the polling agencies have so carefully constructed.
The bar graph on that page can be changed to a line graph over time by clicking the bottom right icon. Given the events of the last 24 hours, and what may be a muted tone for the remainder of the campaign, I thought it might be worth analysing how the votes on this poll have been allocated on a daily basis since the start of June.
Apart from the 9th of June, the 2000 plus votes added each day have been pretty consistently around the 80% mark for leave. The votes so far today seem in line with recent days.0 -
Ryan Bourne @MrRBourne
.@pollytoynbee who described bedroom tax as "final solution" and TPA as "insidious poison" laments ugly mood http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/16/mood-ugly-mp-dead-jo-cox …0 -
Surely this is just a voodoo poll.Pulpstar said:Reposting from another (investing) forum that analyses Brexit etc: (P2P)
The poster knows his onions...
A few days ago I posted a link to an online poll showing an unbelievable 81% Leave vote www.pollstation.uk/eu-referendum/poll/ which is now up to c. 133,000 votes. Clearly the types of people finding and responding to that poll (I found it via a link on a broadsheet comment section) are not the average demographic that the polling agencies have so carefully constructed.
The bar graph on that page can be changed to a line graph over time by clicking the bottom right icon. Given the events of the last 24 hours, and what may be a muted tone for the remainder of the campaign, I thought it might be worth analysing how the votes on this poll have been allocated on a daily basis since the start of June.
Apart from the 9th of June, the 2000 plus votes added each day have been pretty consistently around the 80% mark for leave. The votes so far today seem in line with recent days.0 -
As the saying has it, it's not even wrong.Richard_Tyndall said:
Surely this is just a voodoo poll.Pulpstar said:Reposting from another (investing) forum that analyses Brexit etc: (P2P)
The poster knows his onions...
A few days ago I posted a link to an online poll showing an unbelievable 81% Leave vote www.pollstation.uk/eu-referendum/poll/ which is now up to c. 133,000 votes. Clearly the types of people finding and responding to that poll (I found it via a link on a broadsheet comment section) are not the average demographic that the polling agencies have so carefully constructed.
The bar graph on that page can be changed to a line graph over time by clicking the bottom right icon. Given the events of the last 24 hours, and what may be a muted tone for the remainder of the campaign, I thought it might be worth analysing how the votes on this poll have been allocated on a daily basis since the start of June.
Apart from the 9th of June, the 2000 plus votes added each day have been pretty consistently around the 80% mark for leave. The votes so far today seem in line with recent days.0 -
Just 2 days to save the EU.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is wall to wall broadcast coverage and Sky are saying just now that proper campaigning will not start before Tuesday. I cannot believe that over the next few days anyone will be unaware of this tragic eventKentRising said:
The BBC News website is bordering on the farcical. If Diana had died during the internet age, I don't think you would have seen much more coverage.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
If my real life conversations today are anything to go by, no effect.Wanderer said:I don't think post-murder polls will tell us much about its impact. It takes a few days for events to feed into voting intention. But (at risk of repeating myself) I don't think it will have much effect anyway.
Football and Brexit (as if yesterday didn't happen)
Just a couple of odd afterthought comments about the late MP. Has impacted about as much as a news report about a victim of a fatal accident on the M1
Its not as if anyone outside politics had ever heard of her until this kicked off
13 stories - including a rolling news feed and 'In Pictures'
5 videos - including of a little girl crying at the murder scene; and a Canadian MP crying
You just KNOW somebody is going to come out with "Vote to Remain - it's what Jo would have wanted...."0 -
Guido
Remainers "not campaigning tomorrow", opening books of condolence on street stalls. Telling volunteers to leaflet. https://t.co/VdfuUExzuZ0 -
Britain’s most charismatic mainstream politician finds himself yoked together in the Brexit debate with Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, who this week unveiled a poster showing a file of wretched refugees under the headline: “Breaking point.”
Mr Johnson says these are “not my politics” and that Mr Farage is not part of the official Leave campaign, but the message has helped to power the Leave campaign ahead in the polls.
If Mr Cameron loses the referendum, many Tory MPs believe the prime minister would be out of Downing Street by the autumn. Mr Johnson is the favourite to succeed him, and the widely held suspicion at Westminster is that the former mayor put his own ambitions before the national interest.
Mr Johnson denies that categorically. But if he does become prime minister on the back of a Brexit vote, he will have to reconcile the open, “One Nation”, immigration-friendly country that he wants to build with the defensive, apprehensive Britain that has emerged during the campaign he has fronted.
https://next.ft.com/content/00a534ae-3492-11e6-ad39-3fee5ffe5b5b
That is the best mealy mouthed statement he could come up with...0 -
Best wishes for a good day Mr G I'll be celebrating early tomorrow with my daughter in Oxfordshire and then spoiling my other half on Sunday,Big_G_NorthWales said:
I hope everyone who is a Father, or Grandfather like myself will have a wonderful and happy day on Sunday. Last year on Fathers day my eldest son married his Canadian fiancee in Kelowna, BC and it was the first time in 25 years my two sons, and my daughter had been with me on Fathers Day. At the end of this month he leaves New Zealand after 13 years and starts his married life in Vancouver.Alanbrooke said:
You think I'm going to spend Father Day on maudlin shroud waving ?Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is wall to wall broadcast coverage and Sky are saying just now that proper campaigning will not start before Tuesday. I cannot believe that over the next few days anyone will be unaware of this tragic eventKentRising said:
The BBC News website is bordering on the farcical. If Diana had died during the internet age, I don't think you would have seen much more coverage.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
If my real life conversations today are anything to go by, no effect.Wanderer said:I don't think post-murder polls will tell us much about its impact. It takes a few days for events to feed into voting intention. But (at risk of repeating myself) I don't think it will have much effect anyway.
Football and Brexit (as if yesterday didn't happen)
Just a couple of odd afterthought comments about the late MP. Has impacted about as much as a news report about a victim of a fatal accident on the M1
Its not as if anyone outside politics had ever heard of her until this kicked off
13 stories - including a rolling news feed and 'In Pictures'
5 videos - including of a little girl crying at the murder scene; and a Canadian MP crying
here's to good weather !0 -
Its the "no change" bit which is of possible relevance to my mind.Richard_Tyndall said:
Surely this is just a voodoo poll.Pulpstar said:Reposting from another (investing) forum that analyses Brexit etc: (P2P)
The poster knows his onions...
A few days ago I posted a link to an online poll showing an unbelievable 81% Leave vote www.pollstation.uk/eu-referendum/poll/ which is now up to c. 133,000 votes. Clearly the types of people finding and responding to that poll (I found it via a link on a broadsheet comment section) are not the average demographic that the polling agencies have so carefully constructed.
The bar graph on that page can be changed to a line graph over time by clicking the bottom right icon. Given the events of the last 24 hours, and what may be a muted tone for the remainder of the campaign, I thought it might be worth analysing how the votes on this poll have been allocated on a daily basis since the start of June.
Apart from the 9th of June, the 2000 plus votes added each day have been pretty consistently around the 80% mark for leave. The votes so far today seem in line with recent days.0 -
They gave the Tories a six point lead before the general election so that looks plausible though taken before yesterday's newsTheScreamingEagles said:British voters are deeply and evenly divided about whether to quit the European Union in next week's historic vote, according to a NBC News/SurveyMonkey U.K. poll.
The new poll has the historic vote as a toss-up: 48 percent of Britons say they'll cast a vote to "Leave" the EU in the referendum known as "Brexit," and an identical 48 percent prefer to "Remain." A mere 4 percent are undecided just a week before the June 23 vote.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/brexit-referendum/poll-british-voters-split-brexit-think-eu-exit-vote-will-n5940860 -
And having the books of condolence is not subliminally campaigning?PlatoSaid said:Guido
Remainers "not campaigning tomorrow", opening books of condolence on street stalls. Telling volunteers to leaflet. https://t.co/VdfuUExzuZ
When were they on the streets with books of condolence for our fallen soldiers (at home and abroad)?
When were they on the streets with books of condolence for policemen killed doing their duty?
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Her last column for the Yorkshire Post was a pro Remain piece, and I have seen it linked to many times. Yet to see any "what Jo would have wanted"MarqueeMark said:You just KNOW somebody is going to come out with "Vote to Remain - it's what Jo would have wanted...."
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You think 2 or 3 Leavers in that company are going to admit to it?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Anecdote alert (Scottish edition):
Out with friends for a fortifying drink last night. All early 40s, professional jobs. Balance of Yes/No voters in Indyref. All voting Remain.
Very worried about EU ref as their parents (all were indyref No voters) had already postal voted, or were planning to vote Leave and were pretty passionate about it. Affluent central Scotland middle class types.0 -
Why are the remain campaign doing that? Tasteless.PlatoSaid said:Guido
Remainers "not campaigning tomorrow", opening books of condolence on street stalls. Telling volunteers to leaflet. https://t.co/VdfuUExzuZ0 -
The establishment is not middle class. It is a class of its own, that thinks itself superior to the middle classes and all other classes.SouthamObserver said:
Completely agree. This is not about left or right, it is about class. The middle class establishment - Leave and Remain - has shown it knows nothing about and cares very little for working class voters. They are the punch-bags of this country and will continue to be so. The truth is that the working class's problem is that it is now nowhere near 50% of the population. It is not important politically in normal circumstances and so can be safely ignored. It is Mondeo man who matters, or Worcester woman; not people that live in sink estates in Leeds, Liverpool or London. They either do not vote or live in very safe Labour constituencies. It's the nature of a referendum - no constituencies, a binary choice - that has given the working class its day in the sun. On 24th June they will be forgotten or despised once more.
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Scott_P said:
Britain’s most charismatic mainstream politician finds himself yoked together in the Brexit debate with Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, who this week unveiled a poster showing a file of wretched refugees under the headline: “Breaking point.”
Mr Johnson says these are “not my politics” and that Mr Farage is not part of the official Leave campaign, but the message has helped to power the Leave campaign ahead in the polls.
If Mr Cameron loses the referendum, many Tory MPs believe the prime minister would be out of Downing Street by the autumn. Mr Johnson is the favourite to succeed him, and the widely held suspicion at Westminster is that the former mayor put his own ambitions before the national interest.
Mr Johnson denies that categorically. But if he does become prime minister on the back of a Brexit vote, he will have to reconcile the open, “One Nation”, immigration-friendly country that he wants to build with the defensive, apprehensive Britain that has emerged during the campaign he has fronted.
https://next.ft.com/content/00a534ae-3492-11e6-ad39-3fee5ffe5b5b
Yeah Scott were having a break to ligthen the mood. leave it till monday.0 -
Have a great day - think the weather forecast is quite goodAlanbrooke said:
Best wishes for a good day Mr G I'll be celebrating early tomorrow with my daughter in Oxfordshire and then spoiling my other half on Sunday,Big_G_NorthWales said:
I hope everyone who is a Father, or Grandfather like myself will have a wonderful and happy day on Sunday. Last year on Fathers day my eldest son married his Canadian fiancee in Kelowna, BC and it was the first time in 25 years my two sons, and my daughter had been with me on Fathers Day. At the end of this month he leaves New Zealand after 13 years and starts his married life in Vancouver.Alanbrooke said:
You think I'm going to spend Father Day on maudlin shroud waving ?Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is wall to wall broadcast coverage and Sky are saying just now that proper campaigning will not start before Tuesday. I cannot believe that over the next few days anyone will be unaware of this tragic eventKentRising said:
The BBC News website is bordering on the farcical. If Diana had died during the internet age, I don't think you would have seen much more coverage.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
If my real life conversations today are anything to go by, no effect.Wanderer said:I don't think post-murder polls will tell us much about its impact. It takes a few days for events to feed into voting intention. But (at risk of repeating myself) I don't think it will have much effect anyway.
Football and Brexit (as if yesterday didn't happen)
Just a couple of odd afterthought comments about the late MP. Has impacted about as much as a news report about a victim of a fatal accident on the M1
Its not as if anyone outside politics had ever heard of her until this kicked off
13 stories - including a rolling news feed and 'In Pictures'
5 videos - including of a little girl crying at the murder scene; and a Canadian MP crying
here's to good weather !0 -
Survey Chimp got it very close.HYUFD said:
They gave the Tories a six point lead before the general election so that looks plausible though taken before yesterday's newsTheScreamingEagles said:British voters are deeply and evenly divided about whether to quit the European Union in next week's historic vote, according to a NBC News/SurveyMonkey U.K. poll.
The new poll has the historic vote as a toss-up: 48 percent of Britons say they'll cast a vote to "Leave" the EU in the referendum known as "Brexit," and an identical 48 percent prefer to "Remain." A mere 4 percent are undecided just a week before the June 23 vote.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/brexit-referendum/poll-british-voters-split-brexit-think-eu-exit-vote-will-n5940860 -
I can't imagine anything more likely to put the backs up people who are contemplating a vote for Leave. Especially, Labour voters.Big_G_NorthWales said:There seems to be an increasing narrative from labour that this was a hate crime and most labour politician seems to be trying to tie it in with Farage and his poster. I cannot stand the man but Alastair Campbell directly levered into an interview on Sky and the International coverage is doing the same. Whether it is fair or not I believe with more information coming out about the alleged assassin over the next few days and with the HOC tribute on Monday it may just be that Farage could have lost this for leave from a winning position. Indeed the betting and money markets seem to be indicating a more likely result will be remain. My own personal view is that leave may just win but it is less certain than it was and I also believe that any polls researched before yesterday's terrible events need to be considered with caution
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Wouldn't let me vote as I'm not in the UK. Looks like a voodoo poll though, has a self-selecting participation. Oh, and it says 81/16/3 which is way out of line with anything else!Richard_Tyndall said:
Surely this is just a voodoo poll.Pulpstar said:Reposting from another (investing) forum that analyses Brexit etc: (P2P)
The poster knows his onions...
A few days ago I posted a link to an online poll showing an unbelievable 81% Leave vote www.pollstation.uk/eu-referendum/poll/ which is now up to c. 133,000 votes. Clearly the types of people finding and responding to that poll (I found it via a link on a broadsheet comment section) are not the average demographic that the polling agencies have so carefully constructed.
The bar graph on that page can be changed to a line graph over time by clicking the bottom right icon. Given the events of the last 24 hours, and what may be a muted tone for the remainder of the campaign, I thought it might be worth analysing how the votes on this poll have been allocated on a daily basis since the start of June.
Apart from the 9th of June, the 2000 plus votes added each day have been pretty consistently around the 80% mark for leave. The votes so far today seem in line with recent days.0 -
I think we have to respect anecdota. If I was a professional middle class person in (say) my 30s with children and a mortgage I'd be voting Remain. Family before country. Country before party. Entirely rational and respectable.MarqueeMark said:
You think 2 or 3 Leavers in that company are going to admit to it?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Anecdote alert (Scottish edition):
Out with friends for a fortifying drink last night. All early 40s, professional jobs. Balance of Yes/No voters in Indyref. All voting Remain.
Very worried about EU ref as their parents (all were indyref No voters) had already postal voted, or were planning to vote Leave and were pretty passionate about it. Affluent central Scotland middle class types.0 -
There's still several days of Not Campaigning to go though....Scott_P said:
Her last column for the Yorkshire Post was a pro Remain piece, and I have seen it linked to many times. Yet to see any "what Jo would have wanted"MarqueeMark said:You just KNOW somebody is going to come out with "Vote to Remain - it's what Jo would have wanted...."
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I think a 16% Guardian readership, higher than any other than the Mail, means it may be not entirely well sampled.FF43 said:
Is this a properly sampled and weighted poll?TheScreamingEagles said:British voters are deeply and evenly divided about whether to quit the European Union in next week's historic vote, according to a NBC News/SurveyMonkey U.K. poll.
The new poll has the historic vote as a toss-up: 48 percent of Britons say they'll cast a vote to "Leave" the EU in the referendum known as "Brexit," and an identical 48 percent prefer to "Remain." A mere 4 percent are undecided just a week before the June 23 vote.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/brexit-referendum/poll-british-voters-split-brexit-think-eu-exit-vote-will-n5940860 -
I remember a discussion about who had bought all the millions of copies of this:PlatoSaid said:Peter Hoskins
The Ketchup Song by Las
Ketchup has sold more copies than Queen’s Bohemian Rhapsody, according to @popbitch... https://t.co/r0LGFIZPMp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsqnG-w3zIk
It was suggested that there might have been a strong crossover with purchasers of DFS furniture.
That YouTube clip is more than a bit worrying - Jimmy Savile and Jonathan King together.
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I am off to see my working class father in hospital. Being concerned about the working class is not something new to me. Think about it before you issue a wide smear. Instead of being on here, why not go out and cheer up someone else?SouthamObserver said:
I do. But you are correct that I feel nothing but contempt for right wingers who have suddenly discovered that the working class have been having a pretty crap time of it for a number of years. And the idea that when Boris, Priti and co do take over they are going to be remotely concerned about people whose votes they no longer need and whose lives they know nothing about is far-fetched to say the least.TCPoliticalBetting said:
You are so full of poison for these people "from the right" that I worry for your sanity. Do you ever smile, have fun or eat chocolate?SouthamObserver said:
The feckless poor, scroungers, underclass, Chavs, the client state and so on. And that's before we get onto trade unionists and public sector workers.another_richard said:
Not forgetting carrot-crunchers, football hooligans, people in semis in Watford and of course this:PlatoSaid said:
Cobblers - instead.FF43 said:
There is nothing more zero it out."another_richard said:
....RealBritain said:
"I completely understand that Leavers feel very upset about any linkage between the referendum campaign and Jo Cox's death. Whatever her killer's motives, he and he alone is responsible for his actions.
But - and yes, there is a but - Leavers nee......
Yes.
o do.
When you elect representatives, one lot is basically as good as another. It isn't as stark.
We it - in spades.
They on and on.
That's not grown-up politics, it's childish and insulting.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3609357/Operation-Black-Vote-unveils-controversial-referendum-poster-comparing-Asian-woman-angry-white-thug-Nigel-Farage-claims-goes-far.html
The Stuart Rose / Emily Thornberry mentality is never short of intolerance and demonisation of people different to themselves.
Britain is not going to be a happy place now that it has discovered what it thinks of other parts of it.
The contempt for the working class from the right has been as vicious as anything thrown from the left. And the right have also put in place plenty of policies over the last few years that have actively hurt working class people - all cheered on by many people on this board who have suddenly discovered the working class may actually be politically useful.
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But the Lib Dems would have fifty MPs under a PR system.John_M said:
Indeed! In his honour, I give you: "Taxi for the Lib Dem party!!".TCPoliticalBetting said:
The day after GE2015 would have been of deep joy to Martin Day on the subject of the yellow peril.John_M said:
I for one do not miss *tears of laughter* and *titter* and *chortle*. I do however, miss Martin Day. If only he could have metaphorically lived to see this day.Alanbrooke said:
no a proper one with James Kelly and Mick Pork and the cast of wings over somersetTheScreamingEagles said:
I did a few days ago. Brexit leads to Indyref2 threadAlanbrooke said:
What we need is an Indyerf2 thread.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was going to publish an AV related thread tonight, but have had to push that to either tomorrow or Sunday.Alanbrooke said:
well I think we all need a cooling off things were getting progressively more heated.TheScreamingEagles said:
The mods tell me naughty step for the weekend.Alanbrooke said:
anyhoo Darth Eagles, what;s the status with Moniker ?TheScreamingEagles said:
There is no exit poll.Sunil_Prasannan said:
But I have a cunning plan, the same one wot I used on Election Day:Pulpstar said:
Deary me Sunil. What a school boy error that was !Sunil_Prasannan said:Oh shit!
I just remembered I have to give a presentation in Coventry on Thursday morning
And I missed the deadline for the postal vote!
Catch a train from Coventry during the late afternoon, get the Tube from London Euston to Gants Hill, vote (natch!), then do the reverse journey and get back to the Midlands just in time for the 10pm exit poll! It will cost me a train ticket, but "the country comes first"!
Populus for sure, and YouGov will be doing recontacting on the day polls.
naughty step or Siberia ?
hows about a lighter thread or two ?
your top 3 PB moments ?
ah fun days
What about a thread discussing ..............0 -
Isn't the Guardian the second-most read newspaper in the UK after the Mail? Online, of course, not the small dead-tree figures.Ray_Finch said:I think a 16% Guardian readership, higher than any other than the Mail, means it may be not entirely well sampled.
FF43 said:
Is this a properly sampled and weighted poll?TheScreamingEagles said:British voters are deeply and evenly divided about whether to quit the European Union in next week's historic vote, according to a NBC News/SurveyMonkey U.K. poll.
The new poll has the historic vote as a toss-up: 48 percent of Britons say they'll cast a vote to "Leave" the EU in the referendum known as "Brexit," and an identical 48 percent prefer to "Remain." A mere 4 percent are undecided just a week before the June 23 vote.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/brexit-referendum/poll-british-voters-split-brexit-think-eu-exit-vote-will-n5940860 -
I knew Fathers day was a big deal in the US, I didn't know it was over here. I should be getting more attention from my offspring. Maybe on Sunday they will try very hard not to ask me for money or lifts.Alanbrooke said:
Best wishes for a good day Mr G I'll be celebrating early tomorrow with my daughter in Oxfordshire and then spoiling my other half on Sunday,Big_G_NorthWales said:
I hope everyone who is a Father, or Grandfather like myself will have a wonderful and happy day on Sunday. Last year on Fathers day my eldest son married his Canadian fiancee in Kelowna, BC and it was the first time in 25 years my two sons, and my daughter had been with me on Fathers Day. At the end of this month he leaves New Zealand after 13 years and starts his married life in Vancouver.Alanbrooke said:
You think I'm going to spend Father Day on maudlin shroud waving ?Big_G_NorthWales said:
This is wall to wall broadcast coverage and Sky are saying just now that proper campaigning will not start before Tuesday. I cannot believe that over the next few days anyone will be unaware of this tragic eventKentRising said:
The BBC News website is bordering on the farcical. If Diana had died during the internet age, I don't think you would have seen much more coverage.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
If my real life conversations today are anything to go by, no effect.Wanderer said:I don't think post-murder polls will tell us much about its impact. It takes a few days for events to feed into voting intention. But (at risk of repeating myself) I don't think it will have much effect anyway.
Football and Brexit (as if yesterday didn't happen)
Just a couple of odd afterthought comments about the late MP. Has impacted about as much as a news report about a victim of a fatal accident on the M1
Its not as if anyone outside politics had ever heard of her until this kicked off
13 stories - including a rolling news feed and 'In Pictures'
5 videos - including of a little girl crying at the murder scene; and a Canadian MP crying
here's to good weather !
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