@Morris_Dancer Do you remember any high profile Labourites that lost their seat in West Yorkshire at GE2015 possibly looking for a return to parliament ........................
Oooh that's smart thinking.
Labour definitely need Ed Balls back in Parliament.
Politics can be brutal. On May 7th 2015, he woke up thinking he might be Chancellor of the Exhequer the next day, but instead he became unemployed the next day.
My immediate question is - never mind the Labour party, does Jeremy want Ed back in parliament?
Apropos of nothing, another recent Der Spiegel article was explaining the British FPTP system to its readership, in the same tone that an anthropologist might have described head-shrinking to a Victorian audience. The continentals just don't get our system at all.
How dumb are the Germans? It is the simplest election system in the world
My instant rejoinder is that they think safe seats are silly, the fact that government composition is dependent on a relatively small number of marginals sillier and that we now have a system (if 2015 is repeated) that is crude in the extreme. Are you Labour or Tory*?
See?
*We can discount the jocks and the taffies, they don't count .
But part of the German system is based on single member constituencies, some of which are safe seats. For example Merkel's seat is:
@Morris_Dancer Do you remember any high profile Labourites that lost their seat in West Yorkshire at GE2015 possibly looking for a return to parliament ........................
Oooh that's smart thinking.
Labour definitely need Ed Balls back in Parliament.
Politics can be brutal. On May 7th 2015, he woke up thinking he might be Chancellor of the Exhequer the next day, but instead he became unemployed the next day.
Labour might. Jeremy doesn't....
An uncontested by-election just mean the constituents of Batley and Spen will now have as their MP whoever gets to win a sordid stitch-up within the Labour Party, rather than the campaigning class act who won a marginal in May 2015. Poor buggers. Another measure of the tragedy yesterday.
IAAF isn't lifting ban on Russian athletes - oh dear.
If they will miss the Olympics that's a huge story. Big cojones from an under-pressure Seb Coe.
I was only half listening - but it sounded like the IAAF think their whole drug testing regime is broken and can't be trusted. Decision may not even go to a vote.
That's fantastic news. Missing the big one is the only way that Putin's cronies in charge of Russian athletics could be shamed into sorting out the problems.
It's systemic and has been for decades, any other punishment would be insufficient, just seen by everyone there as a cost of doing business.
Interesting to see how the Russian people take their increasing isolation. Of course they are getting wildly biased news reporting, but the economic effects should at least give cause to reflect.
the Russians may feel that they are the Lance Armstrong of athletics doping. who knows whether with justification or not
Having survived the cancer of communism?
i meant that Lances crime was being a bully and an arsehole. everyone (more or less) did the doping. I don't know if athletics is similar, but the Russians don't appear to be emplying much charm
Five tour winners (including Armstrong) have been stripped of their titles since 1996. He was right - everyone was at it.
@Morris_Dancer Do you remember any high profile Labourites that lost their seat in West Yorkshire at GE2015 possibly looking for a return to parliament ........................
Oooh that's smart thinking.
Labour definitely need Ed Balls back in Parliament.
Politics can be brutal. On May 7th 2015, he woke up thinking he might be Chancellor of the Exhequer the next day, but instead he became unemployed the next day.
Labour might. Jeremy doesn't....
An uncontested by-election just mean the constituents of Batley and Spen will now get as their MP whoever gets to win a sordid stitch-up within the Labour Party, rather than the campaigning class act who won a marginal in May 2015. Poor buggers. Another measure of the tragedy yesterday.
@Morris_Dancer Do you remember any high profile Labourites that lost their seat in West Yorkshire at GE2015 possibly looking for a return to parliament ........................
Oooh that's smart thinking.
Labour definitely need Ed Balls back in Parliament.
Politics can be brutal. On May 7th 2015, he woke up thinking he might be Chancellor of the Exhequer the next day, but instead he became unemployed the next day.
Labour might. Jeremy doesn't....
An uncontested by-election just mean the constituents of Batley and Spen will now get as their MP whoever gets to win a sordid stitch-up within the Labour Party, rather than the campaigning class act who won a marginal in May 2015. Poor buggers. Another measure of the tragedy yesterday.
Labour could have an open primary first.
I would certainly encourage them to take up that excellent suggestion. Chance of it happening? V. slight....
IAAF isn't lifting ban on Russian athletes - oh dear.
If they will miss the Olympics that's a huge story. Big cojones from an under-pressure Seb Coe.
I was only half listening - but it sounded like the IAAF think their whole drug testing regime is broken and can't be trusted. Decision may not even go to a vote.
That's fantastic news. Missing the big one is the only way that Putin's cronies in charge of Russian athletics could be shamed into sorting out the problems.
It's systemic and has been for decades, any other punishment would be insufficient, just seen by everyone there as a cost of doing business.
Interesting to see how the Russian people take their increasing isolation. Of course they are getting wildly biased news reporting, but the economic effects should at least give cause to reflect.
the Russians may feel that they are the Lance Armstrong of athletics doping. who knows whether with justification or not
Having survived the cancer of communism?
i meant that Lances crime was being a bully and an arsehole. everyone (more or less) did the doping. I don't know if athletics is similar, but the Russians don't appear to be emplying much charm
Five tour winners (including Armstrong) have been stripped of their titles since 1996. He was right - everyone was at it.
let's settle on a majority of the peleton. and probably all of the GC contenders since the mid 90s (if not earlier)
so how about athletics. Are the Russians just more systematic (and less pleasant) than other nations?
wonder if anything will come out of puerto, finally. Hi Valv.!
If the English vote for Brexit and economic self-harm next week and take the UK out of the EU, why wouldn't the Scots do exactly the same thing with an independence referendum? One is as completely ridiculous as the other from an economic perspective, but there is more to life etc.
@tamcohen: Vote Leave: All national events cancelled tomorrrow. Rally on Sunday with Boris, Gove, Priti Patel still going ahead at present
Sorry but for me this is a nonsense - this is an important decision for millions of people and whilst a pause may have been appropriate it's time to get back on it - both sides.
@Morris_Dancer Do you remember any high profile Labourites that lost their seat in West Yorkshire at GE2015 possibly looking for a return to parliament ........................
Oooh that's smart thinking.
Labour definitely need Ed Balls back in Parliament.
Politics can be brutal. On May 7th 2015, he woke up thinking he might be Chancellor of the Exhequer the next day, but instead he became unemployed the next day.
Labour might. Jeremy doesn't....
An uncontested by-election just mean the constituents of Batley and Spen will now get as their MP whoever gets to win a sordid stitch-up within the Labour Party, rather than the campaigning class act who won a marginal in May 2015. Poor buggers. Another measure of the tragedy yesterday.
Labour could have an open primary first.
I would certainly encourage the to take up that excellent suggestion. Chance of it happening? V. slight....
Open primaries bring us awesome principled patriotic lionesses like Dr Sarah Wollaston.
IAAF isn't lifting ban on Russian athletes - oh dear.
If they will miss the Olympics that's a huge story. Big cojones from an under-pressure Seb Coe.
I was only half listening - but it sounded like the IAAF think their whole drug testing regime is broken and can't be trusted. Decision may not even go to a vote.
That's fantastic news. Missing the big one is the only way that Putin's cronies in charge of Russian athletics could be shamed into sorting out the problems.
It's systemic and has been for decades, any other punishment would be insufficient, just seen by everyone there as a cost of doing business.
Interesting to see how the Russian people take their increasing isolation. Of course they are getting wildly biased news reporting, but the economic effects should at least give cause to reflect.
the Russians may feel that they are the Lance Armstrong of athletics doping. who knows whether with justification or not
Having survived the cancer of communism?
i meant that Lances crime was being a bully and an arsehole. everyone (more or less) did the doping. I don't know if athletics is similar, but the Russians don't appear to be emplying much charm
Five tour winners (including Armstrong) have been stripped of their titles since 1996. He was right - everyone was at it.
let's settle on a majority of the peleton. and probably all of the GC contenders since the mid 90s (if not earlier)
so how about athletics. Are the Russians just more systematic (and less pleasant) than other nations?
wonder if anything will come out of puerto, finally. Hi Valv.!
At least most of the women don't look like blokes nowadays...
I must say, I'm finding it pretty hard to retain my faith in democracy. The Government have spent public money to boost their side, unilaterally extended voter registration and are now using competitive grief to freeze Leave out of the media.
Media coverage might not matter. We're in the last days before the vote, and previously undecided voters have heard both sides argue for Leave/Remain.
IAAF isn't lifting ban on Russian athletes - oh dear.
If they will miss the Olympics that's a huge story. Big cojones from an under-pressure Seb Coe.
I was only half listening - but it sounded like the IAAF think their whole drug testing regime is broken and can't be trusted. Decision may not even go to a vote.
That's fantastic news. Missing the big one is the only way that Putin's cronies in charge of Russian athletics could be shamed into sorting out the problems.
It's systemic and has been for decades, any other punishment would be insufficient, just seen by everyone there as a cost of doing business.
Interesting to see how the Russian people take their increasing isolation. Of course they are getting wildly biased news reporting, but the economic effects should at least give cause to reflect.
the Russians may feel that they are the Lance Armstrong of athletics doping. who knows whether with justification or not
Having survived the cancer of communism?
i meant that Lances crime was being a bully and an arsehole. everyone (more or less) did the doping. I don't know if athletics is similar, but the Russians don't appear to be emplying much charm
Five tour winners (including Armstrong) have been stripped of their titles since 1996. He was right - everyone was at it.
let's settle on a majority of the peleton. and probably all of the GC contenders since the mid 90s (if not earlier)
so how about athletics. Are the Russians just more systematic (and less pleasant) than other nations?
wonder if anything will come out of puerto, finally. Hi Valv.!
At least most of the women don't look like blokes nowadays...
the drugs are certainly better and more effective these days, with less obv. side effects. one can only weep for those poor 70s lasses from e.germany etc.
If the English vote for Brexit and economic self-harm next week and take the UK out of the EU, why wouldn't the Scots do exactly the same thing with an independence referendum? One is as completely ridiculous as the other from an economic perspective, but there is more to life etc.
I feel like I'm always playing contrarian to you SO, please believe me that it's nothing personal .
I was mucking around with some World Bank figures (GDP per capita in constant 2005 dollars). I was quite surprised that if I assumed a 25% shrinkage in the economy (which is roughly three times worse than the estimates for the 2008 crash and around twelve times worse than a normal recession), we're back to 1996. Which, as we all remember was a time of famine, plague and a darkness o'er the land.
I suspect I've made an error in my arithmetic. But it is interesting. I shall brace myself to be pedanted to death .
@glw I don't think campaigning should be brought to a halt. But some of the huffing and pshawing about David Cameron's words to the nation on the subject are comprehensively missing the point that something awful has happened and we need humbly and carefully to be taking stock.
We should be doing that when we know what happened currently we don't, bar the fact of the murder.
Michael Crick is saying Mair will be charged under the Terrorism Act. That's significant
I don't understand, it's murder.
It's certainly great premise for a political thriller. Man commits weird but pivotal murder on verge of nation-changing referendum. Several "eye-witnesses" claim he said "Britain first" as he did the murdering.
Then these witnesses dematerialise.
After this the referendum campaign is entirely suspended for several crucial days, just as one side appears to have enormous momentum.
Then the murderer is mysteriously charged with Terrorism, on the grounds that this will help the government
I'm joking. I think. But... Who the F knows. The government is clearly desperate. How far would they go to get a win? I genuinely don't know any more. I can imagine tacit pressure on the CPS.
I've never been one for conspiracy theories. And, clearly, it would be a huge one.
But, after Hillborough, Bloody Sunday, Jean-Charles de Menzes and Iraq, I rule nothing out.
The thing is that most of those were just cock-ups and cover ups, rather than conspiracies.
The only one that still smells with some serious unanswered questions is Iraq.
@Morris_Dancer Do you remember any high profile Labourites that lost their seat in West Yorkshire at GE2015 possibly looking for a return to parliament ........................
Oooh that's smart thinking.
Labour definitely need Ed Balls back in Parliament.
Politics can be brutal. On May 7th 2015, he woke up thinking he might be Chancellor of the Exhequer the next day, but instead he became unemployed the next day.
My immediate question is - never mind the Labour party, does Jeremy want Ed back in parliament?
Apropos of nothing, another recent Der Spiegel article was explaining the British FPTP system to its readership, in the same tone that an anthropologist might have described head-shrinking to a Victorian audience. The continentals just don't get our system at all.
@Morris_Dancer Do you remember any high profile Labourites that lost their seat in West Yorkshire at GE2015 possibly looking for a return to parliament ........................
Oooh that's smart thinking.
Labour definitely need Ed Balls back in Parliament.
Politics can be brutal. On May 7th 2015, he woke up thinking he might be Chancellor of the Exhequer the next day, but instead he became unemployed the next day.
My immediate question is - never mind the Labour party, does Jeremy want Ed back in parliament?
Apropos of nothing, another recent Der Spiegel article was explaining the British FPTP system to its readership, in the same tone that an anthropologist might have described head-shrinking to a Victorian audience. The continentals just don't get our system at all.
Well quite. I think the tone of muted horror was due to the sheer brutality of our 'winner takes all' approach. I'm still waiting for the long-desired AV thread to educate me about the various nuanced options available under PR. Until then, I shall soldier on in perpetual ignorance.
If the English vote for Brexit and economic self-harm next week and take the UK out of the EU, why wouldn't the Scots do exactly the same thing with an independence referendum? One is as completely ridiculous as the other from an economic perspective, but there is more to life etc.
'As ridiculous as the other'! You stray into jest monsieur. Scotland is not viable as a standalone country (unless it goes mega hairshirt on steroids, fiscal surplus from day one). Even the £4,300 howler from HMT was based on an assumption that we'd be 37% better off under Leave (vs 42% better off under Remain).
@Morris_Dancer Do you remember any high profile Labourites that lost their seat in West Yorkshire at GE2015 possibly looking for a return to parliament ........................
Oooh that's smart thinking.
Labour definitely need Ed Balls back in Parliament.
Politics can be brutal. On May 7th 2015, he woke up thinking he might be Chancellor of the Exhequer the next day, but instead he became unemployed the next day.
If the English vote for Brexit and economic self-harm next week and take the UK out of the EU, why wouldn't the Scots do exactly the same thing with an independence referendum? One is as completely ridiculous as the other from an economic perspective, but there is more to life etc.
Just stop it with your constant ludicrous self promotion of scaremongering.
You are in full campaigning mode at the moment; it is unedifying.
You have lost all interestingness and reasonability as a poster, which is usually your hallmark, and are coming across as a pocket-book George Osborne.
@Morris_Dancer Do you remember any high profile Labourites that lost their seat in West Yorkshire at GE2015 possibly looking for a return to parliament ........................
Oooh that's smart thinking.
Labour definitely need Ed Balls back in Parliament.
Politics can be brutal. On May 7th 2015, he woke up thinking he might be Chancellor of the Exhequer the next day, but instead he became unemployed the next day.
Mr. Rose, I agree, but tragedies happen and can't be undone. I'm sure Labour will hold the seat easily, but the principle of giving people a choice is fundamental to democracy.
Mr. Rising, it may also give the IMF an unresponded hit if they release another gloom-and-doom report right before the vote.
Miss Plato, she must have blocked a lot of people over that. It was bloody hilarious.
Labour could put two alternative candidates up, if all other major parties are withdrawing. Still allows for democracy.
This is not as far-fetched as it might seem. The local Labour party is in chaos. The Labour leader of Kirklees council was recently voted out of office by a coup led by a fellow member of the Batley and Spen party. At the annual meeting of the council the coup leader expected to be elected. However several Labour councillors were absent and all the other parties on the council spoke and voted against. The council now has no leader and is being run by the Chief Executive.
Mr. D, not sure it was quite the same system, although I agree with you.
PR was responsible for Hitler coming to power. AV leads to depression, loneliness and Ed Miliband.
FPTP is the best system.
Quite right
Given the regional concentrations of support in inter-war Germany it is probably that Hitler's mid-30% election result would have delivered him a straight majority, or very close to it, under FPTP, whereas in reality he had to bully and dupe Hindenburg and other parties to achieve total power.
If the English vote for Brexit and economic self-harm next week and take the UK out of the EU, why wouldn't the Scots do exactly the same thing with an independence referendum? One is as completely ridiculous as the other from an economic perspective, but there is more to life etc.
Just stop it with your constant ludicrous self promotion of scaremongering.
You are in full campaigning mode at the moment; it is unedifying.
You have lost all interestingness and reasonability as a poster, which is usually your hallmark, and are coming across as a pocket-book George Osborne.
Stop it.
As far as I am concerned - and many, many others - it is not scaremongering. Why is it unedifying? I thought we all agreed that the show has to go on.
Mr. Rose, I agree, but tragedies happen and can't be undone. I'm sure Labour will hold the seat easily, but the principle of giving people a choice is fundamental to democracy.
Mr. Rising, it may also give the IMF an unresponded hit if they release another gloom-and-doom report right before the vote.
Miss Plato, she must have blocked a lot of people over that. It was bloody hilarious.
Labour could put two alternative candidates up, if all other major parties are withdrawing. Still allows for democracy.
This is not as far-fetched as it might seem. The local Labour party is in chaos. The Labour leader of Kirklees council was recently voted out of office by a coup led by a fellow member of the Batley and Spen party. At the annual meeting of the council the coup leader expected to be elected. However several Labour councillors were absent and all the other parties on the council spoke and voted against. The council now has no leader and is being run by the Chief Executive.
I must say, I'm finding it pretty hard to retain my faith in democracy. The Government have spent public money to boost their side, unilaterally extended voter registration and are now using competitive grief to freeze Leave out of the media.
Media coverage might not matter. We're in the last days before the vote, and previously undecided voters have heard both sides argue for Leave/Remain.
As Gaius Julius Caesar probably never said "the die is cast"
Whether the vote is today tomorrow or next Thursday it matters not a hoot.
There probably a very tiny number of folk who have not really made up their minds. And those that have made their minds up won't change them.
If the English vote for Brexit and economic self-harm next week and take the UK out of the EU, why wouldn't the Scots do exactly the same thing with an independence referendum? One is as completely ridiculous as the other from an economic perspective, but there is more to life etc.
Just stop it with your constant ludicrous self promotion of scaremongering.
You are in full campaigning mode at the moment; it is unedifying.
You have lost all interestingness and reasonability as a poster, which is usually your hallmark, and are coming across as a pocket-book George Osborne.
Stop it.
As far as I am concerned - and many, many others - it is not scaremongering. Why is it unedifying? I thought we all agreed that the show has to go on.
You are just constantly trying to find and exploit attack lines. You are adding nothing new of interest or of yourself to the debate. You are just constantly repeating the same old attack lines again and again.
Mr. D, not sure it was quite the same system, although I agree with you.
PR was responsible for Hitler coming to power. AV leads to depression, loneliness and Ed Miliband.
FPTP is the best system.
Quite right
Given the regional concentrations of support in inter-war Germany it is probably that Hitler's mid-30% election result would have delivered him a straight majority, or very close to it, under FPTP, whereas in reality he had to bully and dupe Hindenburg and other parties to achieve total power.
Goering reckoned the Nazis would have won every seat under FPTP...
Mr. D, not sure it was quite the same system, although I agree with you.
PR was responsible for Hitler coming to power. AV leads to depression, loneliness and Ed Miliband.
FPTP is the best system.
Quite right
Given the regional concentrations of support in inter-war Germany it is probably that Hitler's mid-30% election result would have delivered him a straight majority, or very close to it, under FPTP, whereas in reality he had to bully and dupe Hindenburg and other parties to achieve total power.
Goering reckoned the Nazis would have won every seat under FPTP...
Didn't they only get 40% of the vote? Or am I misremembering.
The company said the poll also suggests Catholics continue to be substantially more likely to vote to remain within the EU, and are three times more likely to want to stay rather than leave.
Initially, opinion amongst Protestants was evenly balanced but now that group is more likely to vote to leave.
If the English vote for Brexit and economic self-harm next week and take the UK out of the EU, why wouldn't the Scots do exactly the same thing with an independence referendum? One is as completely ridiculous as the other from an economic perspective, but there is more to life etc.
Just stop it with your constant ludicrous self promotion of scaremongering.
You are in full campaigning mode at the moment; it is unedifying.
You have lost all interestingness and reasonability as a poster, which is usually your hallmark, and are coming across as a pocket-book George Osborne.
Stop it.
As far as I am concerned - and many, many others - it is not scaremongering. Why is it unedifying? I thought we all agreed that the show has to go on.
You are just constantly trying to find and exploit attack lines. You are adding nothing new of interest or of yourself to the debate. You are just constantly repeating the same old attack lines again and again.
is complaining about politicisation actually politicisation ?
It's quite brilliant though, isn't it?
There's no possible reasonable objection Vote Leave can make to this that doesn't risk them looking paranoid, bitter or insensitive. So there is no choice but to accept it.
Meanwhile, the airwaves can be dominated with words like 'unity', 'no to division', and little nods to the far-right and EU ref. Monday is even better because 3/4 of all MPs are Remainers and you can bet your bottom dollar some will use the recall of parliament to make full-throated attacks on Leave that the BBC will cover.
It's effectively a new form of the pre-purdah period (when Remain had the upper hand) and, at the same time, Remain can now appeal to heart rather than just fear. Something they've singularly lacked for months.
If the English vote for Brexit and economic self-harm next week and take the UK out of the EU, why wouldn't the Scots do exactly the same thing with an independence referendum? One is as completely ridiculous as the other from an economic perspective, but there is more to life etc.
Just stop it with your constant ludicrous self promotion of scaremongering.
You are in full campaigning mode at the moment; it is unedifying.
You have lost all interestingness and reasonability as a poster, which is usually your hallmark, and are coming across as a pocket-book George Osborne.
Stop it.
As far as I am concerned - and many, many others - it is not scaremongering. Why is it unedifying? I thought we all agreed that the show has to go on.
You are just constantly trying to find and exploit attack lines. You are adding nothing new of interest or of yourself to the debate. You are just constantly repeating the same old attack lines again and again.
Come on. You are better than this.
It's the first time I have mentioned Scotland.
You are linking your economic meme to it again, and I think you know the Sturgeon threat is meaningless anyway.
Mr. D, not sure it was quite the same system, although I agree with you.
PR was responsible for Hitler coming to power. AV leads to depression, loneliness and Ed Miliband.
FPTP is the best system.
Quite right
Given the regional concentrations of support in inter-war Germany it is probably that Hitler's mid-30% election result would have delivered him a straight majority, or very close to it, under FPTP, whereas in reality he had to bully and dupe Hindenburg and other parties to achieve total power.
Goering reckoned the Nazis would have won every seat under FPTP...
Didn't they only get 40% of the vote? Or am I misremembering.
@Morris_Dancer Do you remember any high profile Labourites that lost their seat in West Yorkshire at GE2015 possibly looking for a return to parliament ........................
I'd say her husband has to be a pretty strong contender, if he feels able to do it.
Who knows, he could be a Tory...
It might be a silly question but could an independent candidate run?
@Morris_Dancer Do you remember any high profile Labourites that lost their seat in West Yorkshire at GE2015 possibly looking for a return to parliament ........................
I'd say her husband has to be a pretty strong contender, if he feels able to do it.
Who knows, he could be a Tory...
It might be a silly question but could an independent candidate run?
The company said the poll also suggests Catholics continue to be substantially more likely to vote to remain within the EU, and are three times more likely to want to stay rather than leave.
Initially, opinion amongst Protestants was evenly balanced but now that group is more likely to vote to leave.
As we would expect, Catholics more likely to look over the border, Protestants more likely to share the unionist / pro-British mentality more associated with Leave.
At this stage of a campaign virtually everyone has made their minds up which way they are voting. Further hot air from politicians is superfluous.
The are three types of Don't knows left
1. Those that have decided 99.99% but because there is that scintilla of of 0.01% tell pollsters they are DKs. Pedants basically 2. The socks in sandals brigade, normally vote Lib Dem because they can't make a decision, they are actually 100% decided but like to tell everyone it needs careful thought, calm consideration. Summary Pompous prats. 3. Those who just can't be arsed would rather watch coronation Street than have to think abou it or think about anything come to that. Feckless, lazy twats.
Mr. Sandpit, what do you make of the Red Bulls and Ferraris being so lacklustre?
Daniel Ricciardo said they just didn't have the pace, it seems that Mercedes powered cars have a better power unit at this circuit. Interesting to note that the works Merc team have a special new rear wing for this race, and they were a second clear while sandbagging as they usually do on Fridays. Also, gear ratios are fixed this year, several cars maxed out through the the DRS zone past the line.
Take very shorts odds for them to be on pole and to win the race. I've not looked at odds yet, from watching so far I'd say the safety car would be value at 1/10.
At this stage of a campaign virtually everyone has made their minds up which way they are voting. Further hot air from politicians is superfluous.
The are three types of Don't knows left
1. Those that have decided 99.99% but because there is that scintilla of of 0.01% tell pollsters they are DKs. Pedants basically 2. The socks in sandals brigade, normally vote Lib Dem because they can't make a decision, they are actually 100% decided but like to tell everyone it needs careful thought, calm consideration. Summary Pompous prats. 3. Those who just can't be arsed would rather watch coronation Street than have to think abou it or think about anything come to that. Feckless, lazy twats.
is complaining about politicisation actually politicisation ?
It's quite brilliant though, isn't it?
There's no possible reasonable objection Vote Leave can make to this that doesn't risk them looking paranoid, bitter or insensitive. So there is no choice but to accept it.
Meanwhile, the airwaves can be dominated with words like 'unity', 'no to division', and little nods to the far-right and EU ref. Monday is even better because 3/4 of all MPs are Remainers and you can bet your bottom dollar some will use the recall of parliament to make full-throated attacks on Leave that the BBC will cover.
It's effectively a new form of the pre-purdah period (when Remain had the upper hand) and, at the same time, Remain can now appeal to heart rather than just fear. Something they've singularly lacked for months.
It's brilliant. And very dangerous.
It's a moot point who it favours imo. Time lost from the campaign is time when errors cannot occur. If REMAIN is behind they need time if they are to catch up. I expect very few people who will vote have really not decided yet or are likely to be impressed by yet more fatuous stunts.
@Morris_Dancer Do you remember any high profile Labourites that lost their seat in West Yorkshire at GE2015 possibly looking for a return to parliament ........................
Oooh that's smart thinking.
Labour definitely need Ed Balls back in Parliament.
Politics can be brutal. On May 7th 2015, he woke up thinking he might be Chancellor of the Exhequer the next day, but instead he became unemployed the next day.
Mr. D, not sure it was quite the same system, although I agree with you.
PR was responsible for Hitler coming to power. AV leads to depression, loneliness and Ed Miliband.
FPTP is the best system.
Quite right
Given the regional concentrations of support in inter-war Germany it is probably that Hitler's mid-30% election result would have delivered him a straight majority, or very close to it, under FPTP, whereas in reality he had to bully and dupe Hindenburg and other parties to achieve total power.
Goering reckoned the Nazis would have won every seat under FPTP...
Didn't they only get 40% of the vote? Or am I misremembering.
The Nazis polled 43.9% in the March 1933 election.
is complaining about politicisation actually politicisation ?
It's quite brilliant though, isn't it?
There's no possible reasonable objection Vote Leave can make to this that doesn't risk them looking paranoid, bitter or insensitive. So there is no choice but to accept it.
Meanwhile, the airwaves can be dominated with words like 'unity', 'no to division', and little nods to the far-right and EU ref. Monday is even better because 3/4 of all MPs are Remainers and you can bet your bottom dollar some will use the recall of parliament to make full-throated attacks on Leave that the BBC will cover.
It's effectively a new form of the pre-purdah period (when Remain had the upper hand) and, at the same time, Remain can now appeal to heart rather than just fear. Something they've singularly lacked for months.
It's brilliant. And very dangerous.
I think it comes too late to make much difference, and Remain needed to be campaigning hard to recover lost ground.
is complaining about politicisation actually politicisation ?
It's quite brilliant though, isn't it?
There's no possible reasonable objection Vote Leave can make to this that doesn't risk them looking paranoid, bitter or insensitive. So there is no choice but to accept it.
Meanwhile, the airwaves can be dominated with words like 'unity', 'no to division', and little nods to the far-right and EU ref. Monday is even better because 3/4 of all MPs are Remainers and you can bet your bottom dollar some will use the recall of parliament to make full-throated attacks on Leave that the BBC will cover.
It's effectively a new form of the pre-purdah period (when Remain had the upper hand) and, at the same time, Remain can now appeal to heart rather than just fear. Something they've singularly lacked for months.
It's brilliant. And very dangerous.
The phrase "attack on democracy" already brings a bit of sick to my mouth.
Especially from Corybn - the chap who hangs out with those that supported the bombing of Brighton.
At this stage of a campaign virtually everyone has made their minds up which way they are voting. Further hot air from politicians is superfluous.
The are three types of Don't knows left
1. Those that have decided 99.99% but because there is that scintilla of of 0.01% tell pollsters they are DKs. Pedants basically 2. The socks in sandals brigade, normally vote Lib Dem because they can't make a decision, they are actually 100% decided but like to tell everyone it needs careful thought, calm consideration. Summary Pompous prats. 3. Those who just can't be arsed would rather watch coronation Street than have to think abou it or think about anything come to that. Feckless, lazy twats.
1. Remain? 2. Remain? 3. Leave or Won't Vote?
In surveys something like 7% of people claim they only decided in the polling booth. Hard to believe, if you are politically engaged as we all are, but there are people who feel a duty to vote but actually don't have strong political opinions. And people who have second thoughts with the pencil in their hand. People who didn't mean to vote but walked passed the polling station on the way home and popped in on impulse. Etc.
is complaining about politicisation actually politicisation ?
It's quite brilliant though, isn't it?
There's no possible reasonable objection Vote Leave can make to this that doesn't risk them looking paranoid, bitter or insensitive. So there is no choice but to accept it.
Meanwhile, the airwaves can be dominated with words like 'unity', 'no to division', and little nods to the far-right and EU ref. Monday is even better because 3/4 of all MPs are Remainers and you can bet your bottom dollar some will use the recall of parliament to make full-throated attacks on Leave that the BBC will cover.
It's effectively a new form of the pre-purdah period (when Remain had the upper hand) and, at the same time, Remain can now appeal to heart rather than just fear. Something they've singularly lacked for months.
It's brilliant. And very dangerous.
I think it comes too late to make much difference, and Remain needed to be campaigning hard to recover lost ground.
I concur, freezing the campaign helps the side in front, which is Leave.
is complaining about politicisation actually politicisation ?
It's quite brilliant though, isn't it?
There's no possible reasonable objection Vote Leave can make to this that doesn't risk them looking paranoid, bitter or insensitive. So there is no choice but to accept it.
Meanwhile, the airwaves can be dominated with words like 'unity', 'no to division', and little nods to the far-right and EU ref. Monday is even better because 3/4 of all MPs are Remainers and you can bet your bottom dollar some will use the recall of parliament to make full-throated attacks on Leave that the BBC will cover.
It's effectively a new form of the pre-purdah period (when Remain had the upper hand) and, at the same time, Remain can now appeal to heart rather than just fear. Something they've singularly lacked for months.
It's brilliant. And very dangerous.
I think it comes too late to make much difference, and Remain needed to be campaigning hard to recover lost ground.
I hope you are right.
FWIW, I am devastated about what has happened to Jo. I have a MP friend (well, bit estranged now) who was seriously threatened once and it was terrifying.
But this is being politicised, even if subtly.
Why wasn't Gisela Stuart or Kate Hoey, at the very least, there today too to remove any doubt of politicism?
@Morris_Dancer Do you remember any high profile Labourites that lost their seat in West Yorkshire at GE2015 possibly looking for a return to parliament ........................
I'd say her husband has to be a pretty strong contender, if he feels able to do it.
Who knows, he could be a Tory...
It might be a silly question but could an independent candidate run?
The only bar is the deposit.
(And being able to correctly fill in the nomination forms with 10 signatures, and successfully hand it in to the Returning Officer) - but in principle, yes an Indie could easily run - there is a danger that you end up with an 'odds and sods' election in the same manner as Haltemprice and Howden.
At this stage of a campaign virtually everyone has made their minds up which way they are voting. Further hot air from politicians is superfluous.
The are three types of Don't knows left
1. Those that have decided 99.99% but because there is that scintilla of of 0.01% tell pollsters they are DKs. Pedants basically 2. The socks in sandals brigade, normally vote Lib Dem because they can't make a decision, they are actually 100% decided but like to tell everyone it needs careful thought, calm consideration. Summary Pompous prats. 3. Those who just can't be arsed would rather watch coronation Street than have to think abou it or think about anything come to that. Feckless, lazy twats.
1. Remain? 2. Remain? 3. Leave or Won't Vote?
1. 50:50 2. Remain 3. Leave if someone gives them a lift to the polling booth which is fifty meters away. And they don't make the mistake on going to the pub on the way there.
Mr. D, not sure it was quite the same system, although I agree with you.
PR was responsible for Hitler coming to power. AV leads to depression, loneliness and Ed Miliband.
FPTP is the best system.
Quite right
Given the regional concentrations of support in inter-war Germany it is probably that Hitler's mid-30% election result would have delivered him a straight majority, or very close to it, under FPTP, whereas in reality he had to bully and dupe Hindenburg and other parties to achieve total power.
Goering reckoned the Nazis would have won every seat under FPTP...
Didn't they only get 40% of the vote? Or am I misremembering.
The Nazis polled 43.9% in the March 1933 election.
Spooky! The same share as the good lady herself in 79.
At this stage of a campaign virtually everyone has made their minds up which way they are voting. Further hot air from politicians is superfluous.
The are three types of Don't knows left
1. Those that have decided 99.99% but because there is that scintilla of of 0.01% tell pollsters they are DKs. Pedants basically 2. The socks in sandals brigade, normally vote Lib Dem because they can't make a decision, they are actually 100% decided but like to tell everyone it needs careful thought, calm consideration. Summary Pompous prats. 3. Those who just can't be arsed would rather watch coronation Street than have to think abou it or think about anything come to that. Feckless, lazy twats.
1. Remain? 2. Remain? 3. Leave or Won't Vote?
In surveys something like 7% of people claim they only decided in the polling booth. Hard to believe, if you are politically engaged as we all are, but there are people who feel a duty to vote but actually don't have strong political opinions. And people who have second thoughts with the pencil in their hand. People who didn't mean to vote but walked passed the polling station on the way home and popped in on impulse. Etc.
Those who decide in the polling booth are group 1. Pedantic knobs
Those who don't have strong political opinions are mixture of pompous prats and feckless twats.
What may happen next is that due to the 'anti-European' murder, the EU will annouce that it will now make no compromises anyhow with a post-Brexit Britain.
Thus neatly amplifying the fear and risk of Leave.
is complaining about politicisation actually politicisation ?
It's quite brilliant though, isn't it?
There's no possible reasonable objection Vote Leave can make to this that doesn't risk them looking paranoid, bitter or insensitive. So there is no choice but to accept it.
Meanwhile, the airwaves can be dominated with words like 'unity', 'no to division', and little nods to the far-right and EU ref. Monday is even better because 3/4 of all MPs are Remainers and you can bet your bottom dollar some will use the recall of parliament to make full-throated attacks on Leave that the BBC will cover.
It's effectively a new form of the pre-purdah period (when Remain had the upper hand) and, at the same time, Remain can now appeal to heart rather than just fear. Something they've singularly lacked for months.
It's brilliant. And very dangerous.
I think it comes too late to make much difference, and Remain needed to be campaigning hard to recover lost ground.
I concur, freezing the campaign helps the side in front, which is Lead.
Are they though? They have momentum but I wouldn't call them favourites unless polls start showing them 5-6 points ahead. We aren't there yet. NI and expats will be a small negative for them and there's likely to be a small swingback to the status quo.
Mr. D, not sure it was quite the same system, although I agree with you.
PR was responsible for Hitler coming to power. AV leads to depression, loneliness and Ed Miliband.
FPTP is the best system.
Quite right
Given the regional concentrations of support in inter-war Germany it is probably that Hitler's mid-30% election result would have delivered him a straight majority, or very close to it, under FPTP, whereas in reality he had to bully and dupe Hindenburg and other parties to achieve total power.
Goering reckoned the Nazis would have won every seat under FPTP...
Didn't they only get 40% of the vote? Or am I misremembering.
The Nazis polled 43.9% in the March 1933 election.
Spooky! The same share as the good lady herself in 79.
is complaining about politicisation actually politicisation ?
It's quite brilliant though, isn't it?
There's no possible reasonable objection Vote Leave can make to this that doesn't risk them looking paranoid, bitter or insensitive. So there is no choice but to accept it.
Meanwhile, the airwaves can be dominated with words like 'unity', 'no to division', and little nods to the far-right and EU ref. Monday is even better because 3/4 of all MPs are Remainers and you can bet your bottom dollar some will use the recall of parliament to make full-throated attacks on Leave that the BBC will cover.
It's effectively a new form of the pre-purdah period (when Remain had the upper hand) and, at the same time, Remain can now appeal to heart rather than just fear. Something they've singularly lacked for months.
It's brilliant. And very dangerous.
I think it comes too late to make much difference, and Remain needed to be campaigning hard to recover lost ground.
I hope you are right.
FWIW, I am devastated about what has happened to Jo. I have a MP friend (well, bit estranged now) who was seriously threatened once and it was terrifying.
But this is being politicised, even if subtly.
Why wasn't Gisela Stuart or Kate Hoey, at the very least, there today too to remove any doubt of politicism?
They were all Remainers.
Cameron is PM, Corbyn is leader of the party she represented, Bercow is Speaker of the House. Having Stuart or Hoey there would have been politicisation. This has absolutely nothing to do with the referendum.
Mr. D, not sure it was quite the same system, although I agree with you.
PR was responsible for Hitler coming to power. AV leads to depression, loneliness and Ed Miliband.
FPTP is the best system.
Quite right
Given the regional concentrations of support in inter-war Germany it is probably that Hitler's mid-30% election result would have delivered him a straight majority, or very close to it, under FPTP, whereas in reality he had to bully and dupe Hindenburg and other parties to achieve total power.
Goering reckoned the Nazis would have won every seat under FPTP...
Didn't they only get 40% of the vote? Or am I misremembering.
44%, but two-and-a-half times the votes of the nearest party.
Cube-law theory gives the Nazis 90% of the seats, so Goering wasn't out of the ballpark.
Mr. D, not sure it was quite the same system, although I agree with you.
PR was responsible for Hitler coming to power. AV leads to depression, loneliness and Ed Miliband.
FPTP is the best system.
Quite right
Given the regional concentrations of support in inter-war Germany it is probably that Hitler's mid-30% election result would have delivered him a straight majority, or very close to it, under FPTP, whereas in reality he had to bully and dupe Hindenburg and other parties to achieve total power.
Goering reckoned the Nazis would have won every seat under FPTP...
Didn't they only get 40% of the vote? Or am I misremembering.
The Nazis polled 43.9% in the March 1933 election.
Spooky! The same share as the good lady herself in 79.
Yep. The "international" English language TV news are going with exactly the same headlines. "Anti-Brexit MP Murdered" was CNN's headline this morning, followed by a 10 minute story every half hour, concentrating almost exclusively on the referendum in connection with the crime - despite all the evidence so far pointing to a local loony rather than any political motive.
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An uncontested by-election just mean the constituents of Batley and Spen will now have as their MP whoever gets to win a sordid stitch-up within the Labour Party, rather than the campaigning class act who won a marginal in May 2015. Poor buggers. Another measure of the tragedy yesterday.
Labour could have an open primary first.
so how about athletics. Are the Russians just more systematic (and less pleasant) than other nations?
wonder if anything will come out of puerto, finally. Hi Valv.!
They are more likely to find the outcome is Nan's converting the badly informed youngsters to Leave....
If the English vote for Brexit and economic self-harm next week and take the UK out of the EU, why wouldn't the Scots do exactly the same thing with an independence referendum? One is as completely ridiculous as the other from an economic perspective, but there is more to life etc.
I was mucking around with some World Bank figures (GDP per capita in constant 2005 dollars). I was quite surprised that if I assumed a 25% shrinkage in the economy (which is roughly three times worse than the estimates for the 2008 crash and around twelve times worse than a normal recession), we're back to 1996. Which, as we all remember was a time of famine, plague and a darkness o'er the land.
I suspect I've made an error in my arithmetic. But it is interesting. I shall brace myself to be pedanted to death
This is offensive and plain wrong, from their latest email.
As if the week hasn't been bleak enough: Claire from Steps is working
on some solo music. More Carpenters than Steps though, she claims
Steps are awesome.
But, after Hillborough, Bloody Sunday, Jean-Charles de Menzes and Iraq, I rule nothing out.
The thing is that most of those were just cock-ups and cover ups, rather than conspiracies.
The only one that still smells with some serious unanswered questions is Iraq.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Countries_That_Use_a_First_Past_the_Post_Voting_System.png
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/743820272944484352
http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/f1-live.html
Delayed GP2 qualy session just started, first time anyone's been on this new track driving in anger. Fireworks expected.
As you know full well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGSm082ELXY
You are in full campaigning mode at the moment; it is unedifying.
You have lost all interestingness and reasonability as a poster, which is usually your hallmark, and are coming across as a pocket-book George Osborne.
Stop it.
Is the rally taking place in Sheffield?
Whether the vote is today tomorrow or next Thursday it matters not a hoot.
There probably a very tiny number of folk who have not really made up their minds. And those that have made their minds up won't change them.
Come on. You are better than this.
Initially, opinion amongst Protestants was evenly balanced but now that group is more likely to vote to leave.
I have seen that very thing happen.
https://t.co/aUDD12goA1
There's no possible reasonable objection Vote Leave can make to this that doesn't risk them looking paranoid, bitter or insensitive. So there is no choice but to accept it.
Meanwhile, the airwaves can be dominated with words like 'unity', 'no to division', and little nods to the far-right and EU ref. Monday is even better because 3/4 of all MPs are Remainers and you can bet your bottom dollar some will use the recall of parliament to make full-throated attacks on Leave that the BBC will cover.
It's effectively a new form of the pre-purdah period (when Remain had the upper hand) and, at the same time, Remain can now appeal to heart rather than just fear. Something they've singularly lacked for months.
It's brilliant. And very dangerous.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_election,_November_1933
But it was 44% in the last "proper" election 8 months earlier:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_March_1933
Too early ?
The are three types of Don't knows left
1. Those that have decided 99.99% but because there is that scintilla of of 0.01% tell pollsters they are DKs. Pedants basically
2. The socks in sandals brigade, normally vote Lib Dem because they can't make a decision, they are actually 100% decided but like to tell everyone it needs careful thought, calm consideration. Summary Pompous prats.
3. Those who just can't be arsed would rather watch coronation Street than have to think abou it or think about anything come to that. Feckless, lazy twats.
Take very shorts odds for them to be on pole and to win the race. I've not looked at odds yet, from watching so far I'd say the safety car would be value at 1/10.
2. Remain?
3. Leave or Won't Vote?
I don't like short odds if I can avoid them, though. And there's the risk of crashing or being screwed by a red flag at the wrong time.
Especially from Corybn - the chap who hangs out with those that supported the bombing of Brighton.
http://www.lbc.co.uk/jo-cox-witness-says-no-one-shouted-britain-first-132375
Surely the suspension of campaigning favours which ever said is ahead?
FWIW, I am devastated about what has happened to Jo. I have a MP friend (well, bit estranged now) who was seriously threatened once and it was terrifying.
But this is being politicised, even if subtly.
Why wasn't Gisela Stuart or Kate Hoey, at the very least, there today too to remove any doubt of politicism?
They were all Remainers.
If Remain were truly behind, they'd be campaigning this weekend and Leave wouldn't.
2. Remain
3. Leave if someone gives them a lift to the polling booth which is fifty meters away. And they don't make the mistake on going to the pub on the way there.
Hamilton is 1.4 and Rosberg 3.9 for pole, the German might be worth a small bet.
Those who don't have strong political opinions are mixture of pompous prats and feckless twats.
Thus neatly amplifying the fear and risk of Leave.
The Leader of the Labour Party, the PM and the Speaker were there today.
BTW Kate Hoey seems to be keeping her head down since her star turn with Nigel.
Ignore.
Cube-law theory gives the Nazis 90% of the seats, so Goering wasn't out of the ballpark.