There's no need to apologise - you're been your usual reasonable self.
As have most people. But out and about, it's certainly livened up a little. I had a discussion last night with someone who thinks Farage a real racist, and he's usually very mild. He had a little rant about Pritt Patel too.
"Ah," I said. "But, you would, wouldn't you?"
He looked surprised but considered for a moment before agreeing. Well, he is male.
That's why I worry about people like Andy Burnham and his daft t-shirt proclaiming he'd never kiss a Tory. And Mr Tyson seeemingly prefers Frau Merkel. Now that is worrying.
Out with friends for a fortifying drink last night. All early 40s, professional jobs. Balance of Yes/No voters in Indyref. All voting Remain.
Very worried about EU ref as their parents (all were indyref No voters) had already postal voted, or were planning to vote Leave and were pretty passionate about it. Affluent central Scotland middle class types.
You think 2 or 3 Leavers in that company are going to admit to it?
I think we have to respect anecdota. If I was a professional middle class person in (say) my 30s with children and a mortgage I'd be voting Remain. Family before country. Country before party. Entirely rational and respectable.
The Indyref No voters were extremely vociferous in telling me why there were voting No at the time, and thought I was stark raving mad for voting Yes. We've been friends for 20+ years and we have very robust dialogue about politics. They are not shrinking violets.
The more crucial thing is middle class parents (mostly aged over 70) unanimously voting Leave. Doubt we'll see a thumping Remain vote, as per early polls. Might be more of an Indyref style 55-45 split, which wouldn't keep Remain afloat.
Most polls have at least 60% voting Leave in Scotland
There was an STV Ipsos Mori only yesterday morning showing 53% Remain (down 13 points).
"The Chancellor has announced a five year plan aimed at reducing the budget deficit to overcome what he referrred to as short-term thinking. In his first Budget speech, Gordon Brown said the Government would only borrow to invest and public debt would be held at a prudent and stable level.
"We will now establish clear rules, a new discipline, openness and accountability," he said. "My first rule, the golden rule, ensures that over the economic cycle the Government will borrow only to invest and that current spending will be met from taxation."
"My second rule is that, as a proportion of national income, public debt will be held at a prudent and stable level over the economic cycle," he added.
In order to do this, the Chancellor said he would be implementing a five year deficit reduction plan."
To be fair to him, he did exactly that for the first five years. I voted Labour for the only time in my life in 2001, giving Brown the benefit of the doubt having showed he could earn more than he spent.
Out with friends for a fortifying drink last night. All early 40s, professional jobs. Balance of Yes/No voters in Indyref. All voting Remain.
Very worried about EU ref as their parents (all were indyref No voters) had already postal voted, or were planning to vote Leave and were pretty passionate about it. Affluent central Scotland middle class types.
You think 2 or 3 Leavers in that company are going to admit to it?
I think we have to respect anecdota. If I was a professional middle class person in (say) my 30s with children and a mortgage I'd be voting Remain. Family before country. Country before party. Entirely rational and respectable.
The Indyref No voters were extremely vociferous in telling me why there were voting No at the time, and thought I was stark raving mad for voting Yes. We've been friends for 20+ years and we have very robust dialogue about politics. They are not shrinking violets.
The more crucial thing is middle class parents (mostly aged over 70) unanimously voting Leave. Doubt we'll see a thumping Remain vote, as per early polls. Might be more of an Indyref style 55-45 split, which wouldn't keep Remain afloat.
Most polls have at least 60% voting Leave in Scotland
There was an STV Ipsos Mori only yesterday morning showing 53% Remain (down 13 points).
"Cancel the planned referendum on Britain's continued membership of the EU.
According to the BBC (as at the 26th February 2016) 444 MPs of (almost) all parties have declared their support for Britain staying a member of the European Union on the basis of the reform package negotiated by the Prime Minister, David Cameron."
So I saw on facebook, I of course commented that I am glad to remain had conceded defeat.
Oh it had a grand total of 7,500 signatures.
No prizes for guessing which constituencies have the most signatories:
“Free at last. Free at last. Thank God almighty we’re free at last.” I wonder whether the world will feel as admiring of his campaign as they did MLK’s.
Who or what is "MLK"
I'm sorry to use NoEasyDay as an example, but I think it might (weakly) reinforce my point. Martin Luther King is very real to me. Less so to succeeding generations. Of course, it may be that it's simply a relatively uncommon acronym that's caused the confusion.
It's the Eddie Izzard effect. He's of no relevance to the yoof vote he's seeking to engage.
Once your own era has surpassed your democraphic target audience, it's a cut-through fail.
MLK means nothing to me bar PBS documentaries. The Winter of Discontent feels very real. The Cuban Missile crisis is history - whilst CND was huge in my younger days. I picked up stories about WW2 from my grandparents/parents re evacuees and rationing.
We all have a timeframe we use to judge things by. Some folk fail to realise this.
You haven't heard of Martin Luther King? I'm surprised. It's not really an age thing. It's the fact he's the most famous civil rights leader in history. That 'I Have a Dream' is one one of the most famous speeches ever made and that the film 'Selma' was a big hit within the last few years. I wonder if any Americans haven't heard of him?
“Free at last. Free at last. Thank God almighty we’re free at last.” I wonder whether the world will feel as admiring of his campaign as they did MLK’s.
Who or what is "MLK"
I'm sorry to use NoEasyDay as an example, but I think it might (weakly) reinforce my point. Martin Luther King is very real to me. Less so to succeeding generations. Of course, it may be that it's simply a relatively uncommon acronym that's caused the confusion.
It's the Eddie Izzard effect. He's of no relevance to the yoof vote he's seeking to engage.
Once your own era has surpassed your democraphic target audience, it's a cut-through fail.
MLK means nothing to me bar PBS documentaries. The Winter of Discontent feels very real. The Cuban Missile crisis is history - whilst CND was huge in my younger days. I picked up stories about WW2 from my grandparents/parents re evacuees and rationing.
We all have a timeframe we use to judge things by. Some folk fail to realise this.
You haven't heard of Martin Luther King? I'm surprised. It's not really an age thing. It's the fact he's the most famous civil rights leader in history. That 'I Have a Dream' is one one of the most famous speeches ever made and that the film 'Selma' was a big hit within the last few years. I wonder if any Americans haven't heard of him?
Considering they have Martin Luther King as an official holiday I doubt it.
I think Plato is right - for a younger generation Nelson Mandela is much better known that MLK.
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Up to date polls might be Opinium and YouGov released tomorrow evening?
There's no need to apologise - you're been your usual reasonable self.
As have most people. But out and about, it's certainly livened up a little. I had a discussion last night with someone who thinks Farage a real racist, and he's usually very mild. He had a little rant about Pritt Patel too.
"Ah," I said. "But, you would, wouldn't you?"
He looked surprised but considered for a moment before agreeing. Well, he is male.
That's why I worry about people like Andy Burnham and his daft t-shirt proclaiming he'd never kiss a Tory. And Mr Tyson seeemingly prefers Frau Merkel. Now that is worrying.
Then in 2002 all Hell broke loose!
Thanks.
NEW THREAD. ABOUT AV. NEW THREAD. ABOUT AV
http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=123450&area=lon
Outside London Bristol West has 122, Brighton Pavilion has 104 and Doncaster North has zero. EdM is really suited to his constituency.
He lets that down with his political comments below the line; an area in which he is woefully ignorant.
Still, I'm all for celebrating the positive. Please keep writing the great thread headers Roger.
I think Plato is right - for a younger generation Nelson Mandela is much better known that MLK.
Thanks for the thread headers.
A bit late I'd say