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Clinton wins a majority of pledged delegates but Sanders intends to fight to the convention https://t.co/GxidqTD8Q6 pic.twitter.com/w27IG4g96g
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Alien vs Predator...0
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Trumped (Grr)0
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When will the first Clinton scandal hit?
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It's "The Producers" turned into a presidential election.FrancisUrquhart said:Alien vs Predator...
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"Killer Clinton", as the BBC One o'clock news subtitle software likes to call her.FrancisUrquhart said:Alien vs Predator...
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Does it matter if Sanders refuses to quit now? He's lost and it is over.
That's like Liz Kendall refusing to quit the Labour leadership election.0 -
I feel genuinely sorry for the US electorate.0
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Sanders need to give up, otherwise he'll be creating POTUS Trump.0
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Imagine if he stood as an independent....Slackbladder said:Sanders need to give up, otherwise he'll be creating POTUS Trump.
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The Betfair 22 on over 80% turnout is in to 12.5 an hour later
The Betfair 7 on 75-80% is only down to 6.2. Value on this.0 -
Must feel like that to most Americans. Imagine we had a direct election for Farage or Corbyn as dictator for four years!?FrancisUrquhart said:Alien vs Predator...
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@JoeWatts_: Top brexiteer @DanHannanMEP says small Leave win won't be mandate for big change https://t.co/yCvH6ET0kH by @nicholascecil + @matt_watts800
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Cruz has also refused to yet endorse Trump, both will fight over the party platform at the ConventionSlackbladder said:Sanders need to give up, otherwise he'll be creating POTUS Trump.
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If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."
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FPT
An 80% turnout for something we've been told for years that nobody cares about would be pretty amazing whichever way it went...RodCrosby said:More Brexit chaos beckons. After the registration website crashing, now returning officers have been told to expect a turnout of 80%...
Philip_Thompson said:
I'm surprised if the law doesn't give the discretionary right to an extension in the event of technical problems.
I don't know... On Newsnight last night they were pretty unequivocal that it's "illegal" to extend voter registration beyond the cut off time... Maybe they were wrong though?0 -
OT - just to reassure those who were terribly worried by the plummeting pound - rejoice!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/08/pound-jumps-as-uk-factories-roar-back-into-life/0 -
Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
Why are REMAINERS afraid of democracy?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."
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Thanks to some good Remain polls and George Osborne's stewardship of the economy.John_M said:OT - just to reassure those who were terribly worried by the plummeting pound - rejoice!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/08/pound-jumps-as-uk-factories-roar-back-into-life/
Huzzah for Dave and George.0 -
He won't it is all about the platformFrancisUrquhart said:
Imagine if he stood as an independent....Slackbladder said:Sanders need to give up, otherwise he'll be creating POTUS Trump.
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@nunu
I've answered your question about standard distribution on the previous thread
@RodCrosby
I've thanked you for your run-of-heads answer on the previous thread0 -
I know he won't, I just saying imagine the chaos if he did.HYUFD said:
He won't it is all about the platformFrancisUrquhart said:
Imagine if he stood as an independent....Slackbladder said:Sanders need to give up, otherwise he'll be creating POTUS Trump.
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I don't know why registration closed this early. They should extend it for another week. It's a big decision, we need as many people to have had the opportunity to vote as possible.TheScreamingEagles said:
Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."0 -
"No, the country comes first!" - Liz Kendall, 2015.Philip_Thompson said:Does it matter if Sanders refuses to quit now? He's lost and it is over.
That's like Liz Kendall refusing to quit the Labour leadership election.0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."
Why do Remainers want to break the rules when things aren't going their way?
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Springtime for Hillary!SandyRentool said:
It's "The Producers" turned into a presidential election.FrancisUrquhart said:Alien vs Predator...
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Good on Hannan. He's worked this through years ago, trying to change the world on 51% of the vote either way isn't going to work.Scott_P said:@JoeWatts_: Top brexiteer @DanHannanMEP says small Leave win won't be mandate for big change https://t.co/yCvH6ET0kH by @nicholascecil + @matt_watts80
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They have applied to register, haven't they?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."
Last year, it turned out that only 30% actually made it through out of 5m applicants.0 -
FrancisUrquhart said:
I know he won't, I just saying imagine the chaos if he did.HYUFD said:
He won't it is all about the platformFrancisUrquhart said:
Imagine if he stood as an independent....Slackbladder said:Sanders need to give up, otherwise he'll be creating POTUS Trump.
Indeed but the way Cruz is acting not impossible he might run too, both unlikely thoughFrancisUrquhart said:
I know he won't, I just saying imagine the chaos if he did.HYUFD said:
He won't it is all about the platformFrancisUrquhart said:
Imagine if he stood as an independent....Slackbladder said:Sanders need to give up, otherwise he'll be creating POTUS Trump.
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There's a lot of Sanders supporters that are going to go with Trump. They hate the political Establishment. The election is going to be very close in November.Slackbladder said:Sanders need to give up, otherwise he'll be creating POTUS Trump.
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It's not a rule break, the website crashed, before the deadline, they are making sure people aren't disenfranchised.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."
Why do Remainers want to break the rules when things aren't going their way?0 -
Kendall got 5%, Sanders has won 43%Philip_Thompson said:Does it matter if Sanders refuses to quit now? He's lost and it is over.
That's like Liz Kendall refusing to quit the Labour leadership election.0 -
Sunil - "TSE, what begins "Come here!" and ends with "Ow!"?"TheScreamingEagles said:
Thanks to some good Remain polls and George Osborne's stewardship of the economy.John_M said:OT - just to reassure those who were terribly worried by the plummeting pound - rejoice!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/08/pound-jumps-as-uk-factories-roar-back-into-life/
Huzzah for Dave and George.
TSE - "I don't know."
Sunil - "Come here" [punches TSE in the face!]
TSE - "Ow!"0 -
And on the new thread
So, developing a previous post on how Euro 2016 (just wrt England for the current post) will look over the referendum, FWIW:
England's group fate will be known on Monday evening
England's opponent is very likely not to be known until Wednesday night due to both 3rd place qualification table and group F being decided on that night
So, will be very little time for debate of the aspects relevant to a known opponent, though the range of likely opponents will narrow down and perhaps allow some discussion beforehand.
Looking at the various odds, implied possible opponents for England are as follows. Match expected to follow on Saturday unless stated. As might be expected it's all a bit pinsticker-y:
12% - None / England fail to qualify from group
10% - Romania
8% - Austria (Mon)
7% - Albania, Croatia, Turkey, Czech Republic, Switzerland
6% - Portugal, Iceland (both Mon)
5% - Hungary (Mon), Germany (likely Sun, poss Sat), Spain
3% - Ukraine, Poland (likely Sat, poss Sun)
1% - France, Northern Ireland
By EU status:
Eastern European EU member (inc Croatia) - 32%
Western European EU member - 26%
Accession talks state - 14%
EEA and/or EFTA - 13%
DNQ - 12%
Non EU member - 3%0 -
Had this happened last year, do you think the Government would have been kind and said "oh go on then".TheScreamingEagles said:
Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."0 -
Assuming Brexit and a Trump presidency aren't correlated - the markets seem to be suggesting it's about evens for one or other or both events to occur. Interesting times!0
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Yes, they are democrats, the more people that vote in this referendum the better.tlg86 said:
Had this happened last year, do you think the Government would have been kind and said "oh go on then".TheScreamingEagles said:
Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."0 -
Because Remain need those votes.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."
Why do Remainers want to break the rules when things aren't going their way?0 -
Agreed, but you think europhiles like Cameron and Osborne won't ram more "integration" down our throats with 51% of the vote?Sandpit said:
Good on Hannan. He's worked this through years ago, trying to change the world on 51% of the vote either way isn't going to work.Scott_P said:@JoeWatts_: Top brexiteer @DanHannanMEP says small Leave win won't be mandate for big change https://t.co/yCvH6ET0kH by @nicholascecil + @matt_watts80
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chestnut said:
They have applied to register, haven't they?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."
Last year, it turned out that only 30% actually made it through out of 5m applicants.
I don't understand why the service crashed at all.
A well built system on a scalable cloud infrastructure should have handled the surge without problems.
They KNOW they will get these surges, yet were still not ready for it?
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No, even as a Remainer I don't agree. Rules is rules. You can't change them us you go along, depending on whether you think it'll help your particular cause. It not as though there's not been enough publicity about the referendum.John_M said:
I don't know why registration closed this early. They should extend it for another week. It's a big decision, we need as many people to have had the opportunity to vote as possible.TheScreamingEagles said:
Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."0 -
They stress tested it to GE levels of registration and beyond, but it was several times that levelsMarkHopkins said:chestnut said:
They have applied to register, haven't they?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."
Last year, it turned out that only 30% actually made it through out of 5m applicants.
I don't understand why the service crashed at all.
A well built system on a scalable cloud infrastructure should have handled the surge without problems.
They KNOW they will get these surges, yet were still not ready for it?0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
It's not a rule break, the website crashed, before the deadline, they are making sure people aren't disenfranchised.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."
Why do Remainers want to break the rules when things aren't going their way?
They could have held the web site open another hour or so and it would have covered it.
Cameron is doing well in excess of that.
And the website should not have crashed (see my other post).
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Provide another 2 hours for voters to register. Anymore than that and it looks like gerrymandering.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's not a rule break, the website crashed, before the deadline, they are making sure people aren't disenfranchised.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."
Why do Remainers want to break the rules when things aren't going their way?0 -
Kendall got 4.46%!HYUFD said:
Kendall got 5%, Sanders has won 43%Philip_Thompson said:Does it matter if Sanders refuses to quit now? He's lost and it is over.
That's like Liz Kendall refusing to quit the Labour leadership election.0 -
Have we heard anything about Lord Haywards research predicting a LEAVE win?0
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HohohoTheScreamingEagles said:
It's not a rule break, the website crashed, before the deadline, they are making sure people aren't disenfranchised.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."
Why do Remainers want to break the rules when things aren't going their way?
It's like you go to a play or a concert and everyone else is expected to wait for the handful of idiots who cant get there on time because they were watching the end of Emmerdale.
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Ordinarily I'd agree (I'm a Leaver btw), however, it seems to me that our biggest challenges are going to begin on June 24th, irrespective of the result.FeersumEnjineeya said:
No, even as a Remainer I don't agree. Rules is rules. You can't change them us you go along, depending on whether you think it'll help your particular cause. It not as though there's not been enough publicity about the referendum.John_M said:
I don't know why registration closed this early. They should extend it for another week. It's a big decision, we need as many people to have had the opportunity to vote as possible.TheScreamingEagles said:
Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."
A lot of fences will need to be mended. I don't want either side to be banging 'we wuz robbed' drum any more than is necessary.
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From the Guardian:
"Blair said that Twitter and social media had created “the era of the loudmouth” and that this made David Cameron’s job even harder than the job of prime minister was when he did it."
Blair also said that he expected turnout at the referendum would be "substantially higher" than the GE.0 -
Why exactly does registration need to close so far in advance of the election anyway in this day and age? Can't see why it couldn't be open until at least the weekend before the vote.MP_SE said:
Provide another 2 hours for voters to register. Anymore than that and it looks like gerrymandering.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's not a rule break, the website crashed, before the deadline, they are making sure people aren't disenfranchised.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."
Why do Remainers want to break the rules when things aren't going their way?0 -
In that case why isn't voting compulsory?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, they are democrats, the more people that vote in this referendum the better.tlg86 said:
Had this happened last year, do you think the Government would have been kind and said "oh go on then".TheScreamingEagles said:
Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."0 -
If they try UKIP will lick their lips!GIN1138 said:
Agreed, but you think europhiles like Cameron and Osborne won't ram more "integration" down our throats with 51% of the vote?Sandpit said:
Good on Hannan. He's worked this through years ago, trying to change the world on 51% of the vote either way isn't going to work.Scott_P said:@JoeWatts_: Top brexiteer @DanHannanMEP says small Leave win won't be mandate for big change https://t.co/yCvH6ET0kH by @nicholascecil + @matt_watts80
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Anna, neither are close to evens.Anna said:Assuming Brexit and a Trump presidency aren't correlated - the markets seem to be suggesting it's about evens for one or other or both events to occur. Interesting times!
Brexit is around 11/4 (nearly 3/1) and Trump is 10/3 (3.3/1) to be next President.0 -
tlg86 said:
From the Guardian:
"Blair said that Twitter and social media had created “the era of the loudmouth” and that this made David Cameron’s job even harder than the job of prime minister was when he did it."
Blair also said that he expected turnout at the referendum would be "substantially higher" than the GE.
Good old Tony getting madder by the day...
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Maybe we should keep the polling stations open for a couple of hours longer in Remain voting areas.Casino_Royale said:
Because Remain need those votes.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."
Why do Remainers want to break the rules when things aren't going their way?0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
They stress tested it to GE levels of registration and beyond, but it was several times that levelsMarkHopkins said:chestnut said:
They have applied to register, haven't they?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."
Last year, it turned out that only 30% actually made it through out of 5m applicants.
I don't understand why the service crashed at all.
A well built system on a scalable cloud infrastructure should have handled the surge without problems.
They KNOW they will get these surges, yet were still not ready for it?
Scalable means it can grow well beyond your plans.
With cloud servers you can just specify when another server will be created (in a few minutes) to automatically handle the new load. It should have just kept on expanding as more people turned up.
You have design it with that in mind, of course.
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Bollocks. As an IT guy they screwed up, should have known it was coming and planned accordingly. No sympathy for the EC, I want to see their CIO or IT Dir before a select ctte.TheScreamingEagles said:
They stress tested it to GE levels of registration and beyond, but it was several times that levelsMarkHopkins said:chestnut said:
They have applied to register, haven't they?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."
Last year, it turned out that only 30% actually made it through out of 5m applicants.
I don't understand why the service crashed at all.
A well built system on a scalable cloud infrastructure should have handled the surge without problems.
They KNOW they will get these surges, yet were still not ready for it?0 -
Too late. There won't be another EU referendum while any of us are alive... The "establishment" won't dare let the plebs have a say again.HYUFD said:
If they try UKIP will lick their lips!GIN1138 said:
Agreed, but you think europhiles like Cameron and Osborne won't ram more "integration" down our throats with 51% of the vote?Sandpit said:
Good on Hannan. He's worked this through years ago, trying to change the world on 51% of the vote either way isn't going to work.Scott_P said:@JoeWatts_: Top brexiteer @DanHannanMEP says small Leave win won't be mandate for big change https://t.co/yCvH6ET0kH by @nicholascecil + @matt_watts80
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Because if people don't wish to vote, that's their choice.Alanbrooke said:
In that case why isn't voting compulsory?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, they are democrats, the more people that vote in this referendum the better.tlg86 said:
Had this happened last year, do you think the Government would have been kind and said "oh go on then".TheScreamingEagles said:
Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."
But if people wish to vote, and are eligible to do so, they should be able to.0 -
Blair: "I remember when it was all fields round here".tlg86 said:From the Guardian:
"Blair said that Twitter and social media had created “the era of the loudmouth” and that this made David Cameron’s job even harder than the job of prime minister was when he did it."
Blair also said that he expected turnout at the referendum would be "substantially higher" than the GE.
Still, he's not diminished himself as much as Brown did, so there's that.0 -
From last May
"The deadline to register to vote for the 2015 General Election has passed – and nearly half a million people put their names on the electoral register on Monday."
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Plus anyhoo you're all getting your knickers in a twist.
Remember how the young uns were going to win the IndyRef for Eck, and it turns out they voted to remain in the UK.
Who knows young people might vote Leave and confound expectations again.0 -
You're doing the dance of the seven veils without any veils.TheScreamingEagles said:
Because if people don't wish to vote, that's their choice.Alanbrooke said:
In that case why isn't voting compulsory?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, they are democrats, the more people that vote in this referendum the better.tlg86 said:
Had this happened last year, do you think the Government would have been kind and said "oh go on then".TheScreamingEagles said:
Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."
But if people wish to vote, and are eligible to do so, they should be able to.
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The question of late registration is probably much less important than everyone imagines:
https://twitter.com/philipjcowley/status/740530283938713600
https://twitter.com/philipjcowley/status/7405303615082045440 -
Unless the establishment lose all their votes and seats to UKIP, as they did in Scotland to the SNP!GIN1138 said:
Too late. There won't be another EU referendum while any of us are alive... The "establishment" won't dare let the plebs have a say again.HYUFD said:
If they try UKIP will lick their lips!GIN1138 said:
Agreed, but you think europhiles like Cameron and Osborne won't ram more "integration" down our throats with 51% of the vote?Sandpit said:
Good on Hannan. He's worked this through years ago, trying to change the world on 51% of the vote either way isn't going to work.Scott_P said:@JoeWatts_: Top brexiteer @DanHannanMEP says small Leave win won't be mandate for big change https://t.co/yCvH6ET0kH by @nicholascecil + @matt_watts80
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Also, they might not vote...could be all their mums and dads registering them, like Jacqui Smith...TheScreamingEagles said:Plus anyhoo you're all getting your knickers in a twist.
Remember how the young uns were going to win the IndyRef for Eck, and it turns out they voted to remain in the UK.
Who knows young people might vote Leave and confound expectations again.0 -
Or they just wont bother turning up. Or they'll try to vote on the 24th when they see the results.TheScreamingEagles said:Plus anyhoo you're all getting your knickers in a twist.
Remember how the young uns were going to win the IndyRef for Eck, and it turns out they voted to remain in the UK.
Who knows young people might vote Leave and confound expectations again.0 -
If your ticket says the stage manager will call seats at 7.20 pm for a start of 7.30pm, and you approach the venue to get your seats at 7pm only to find the The Ring Cycle started at 6.30pm, you're going to be pissed off.Alanbrooke said:
HohohoTheScreamingEagles said:
It's not a rule break, the website crashed, before the deadline, they are making sure people aren't disenfranchised.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."
Why do Remainers want to break the rules when things aren't going their way?
It's like you go to a play or a concert and everyone else is expected to wait for the handful of idiots who cant get there on time because they were watching the end of Emmerdale.0 -
Or try and vote via twitter poll :-)Alanbrooke said:
Or they just wont bother turning up. Or they'll try to vote on the 24th when they see the results.TheScreamingEagles said:Plus anyhoo you're all getting your knickers in a twist.
Remember how the young uns were going to win the IndyRef for Eck, and it turns out they voted to remain in the UK.
Who knows young people might vote Leave and confound expectations again.0 -
I think there's a LOT of confusion about the registeration process in general.
An elderly neighbor asked me whether they needed to "register" to vote in the referendum even though they received their polling cards weeks ago...0 -
Parents have returned their postal votes putting a cross against the "Leave" box!
(Bangs head against table!)0 -
Stuff always breaks down when there are large loads put through !
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Trump will lose not primarily because of his divisive politics but because he is a thin skinned, unsuitable personality type for POTUS0
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Except of course the call is still at 7.20 and you're still parking your car because you couldnt get the ticket barrier to work. The management haven;t moved the time youve just not got there on time because youre crap at organisation.TheScreamingEagles said:
If your ticket says the stage manager will call seats at 7.20 pm for a start of 7.30pm, and you approach the venue to get your seats at 7pm only to find the The Ring started at 6.30pm, you're going to be pissed off.Alanbrooke said:
HohohoTheScreamingEagles said:
It's not a rule break, the website crashed, before the deadline, they are making sure people aren't disenfranchised.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."
Why do Remainers want to break the rules when things aren't going their way?
It's like you go to a play or a concert and everyone else is expected to wait for the handful of idiots who cant get there on time because they were watching the end of Emmerdale.0 -
I know one day you want to be as wise as your parents, but I don't think banging your head on the table will achieve it.murali_s said:Parents have returned their postal votes putting a cross against the "Leave" box!
(Bangs head against table!)
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Its a two hour wait for the first interval of Gotterdamerung.TheScreamingEagles said:
If your ticket says the stage manager will call seats at 7.20 pm for a start of 7.30pm, and you approach the venue to get your seats at 7pm only to find the The Ring started at 6.30pm, you're going to be pissed off.Alanbrooke said:
HohohoTheScreamingEagles said:
It's not a rule break, the website crashed, before the deadline, they are making sure people aren't disenfranchised.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."
Why do Remainers want to break the rules when things aren't going their way?
It's like you go to a play or a concert and everyone else is expected to wait for the handful of idiots who cant get there on time because they were watching the end of Emmerdale.0 -
You can sense his growing anguish and irritation with each tweetdr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/philipjcowley/status/740530283938713600
Prof Cowley is enjoying himself. 0 -
No, they are taking action to mitigate to reduce (very slightly) the appalling and worsening level of disenfranchisement in our system of electoral registration for this one vote only because in this referendum the tables are turned and that disenfranchisement will make it harder to deliver the result that Cameron and the Government are seeking. Generally, the level of disenfranchisement acts to keep off the registration those who would vote against the government (e.g. young people, those in privately rented housing), so Cameron has done diddly squat to address the problem and in fact up to now has been happy to have brought in changes to the registration system which have made those problems much worse.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes, they are democrats, the more people that vote in this referendum the better.tlg86 said:
Had this happened last year, do you think the Government would have been kind and said "oh go on then".TheScreamingEagles said:
Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."
So Cameron is anything but a democrat, because he is concerned to improve democracy only in a rare case when doing so works to his political advantage.
I write that as someone committed to Leave. As I democrat I welcome the fact that the deadline has been extended, regardless of the fact that a Leave vote is less likely as a consequence. What I object to is the hypocrisy of Cameron's failure to do anything to address the wider and manifest flaws in the system of individual registration, the rush to late registration being a symptom of a much wider problem.0 -
Brexit = 3.75Sandpit said:
Anna, neither are close to evens.Anna said:Assuming Brexit and a Trump presidency aren't correlated - the markets seem to be suggesting it's about evens for one or other or both events to occur. Interesting times!
Brexit is around 11/4 (nearly 3/1) and Trump is 10/3 (3.3/1) to be next President.
Trump = 4.3 ;
Implied:
¬ Brexit = 1.3636..
¬ Trump = 1.3030..
Brexit + Trump = 16.125
Brexit + ¬ Trump = 4.886
¬ Brexit + Trump = 5.8636
¬ Brexit + ¬ Trump = 1.7768
Neither has to be close to Evens for one or the other (Or both) to occur, SQRT(2) ( 1.414) would do it.
The implied probability of either Trump, Brexit or both right now is 43.7%.0 -
It's worse than that. They've turned up at 7.18 demanding to be able to buy tickets.Alanbrooke said:
Except of course the call is still at 7.20 and you're still parking your car because you couldnt get the ticket barrier to work. The management haven;t moved the time youve just not got there on time because youre crap at organisation.TheScreamingEagles said:
If your ticket says the stage manager will call seats at 7.20 pm for a start of 7.30pm, and you approach the venue to get your seats at 7pm only to find the The Ring started at 6.30pm, you're going to be pissed off.Alanbrooke said:
HohohoTheScreamingEagles said:
It's not a rule break, the website crashed, before the deadline, they are making sure people aren't disenfranchised.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."
Why do Remainers want to break the rules when things aren't going their way?
It's like you go to a play or a concert and everyone else is expected to wait for the handful of idiots who cant get there on time because they were watching the end of Emmerdale.0 -
I see this is not the thread when pbers across the political spectrum are agonising about poor levels of voter engagement.0
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Indeed. I'd rather lose this referendum on an 80% turnout than win it on a 40% turnout.AlastairMeeks said:I see this is not the thread when pbers across the political spectrum are agonising about poor levels of voter engagement.
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I'm so passionate about voter engagement that I'm registered to vote twice!AlastairMeeks said:I see this is not the thread when pbers across the political spectrum are agonising about poor levels of voter engagement.
Edit: So put me down for a 50% turnout.0 -
Bookies should offer accumulators on these things.Pulpstar said:
Brexit = 3.75Sandpit said:
Anna, neither are close to evens.Anna said:Assuming Brexit and a Trump presidency aren't correlated - the markets seem to be suggesting it's about evens for one or other or both events to occur. Interesting times!
Brexit is around 11/4 (nearly 3/1) and Trump is 10/3 (3.3/1) to be next President.
Trump = 4.3 ;
Implied:
¬ Brexit = 1.3636..
¬ Trump = 1.3030..
Brexit + Trump = 16.125
Brexit + ¬ Trump = 4.886
¬ Brexit + Trump = 5.8636
¬ Brexit + ¬ Trump = 1.7768
Neither has to be close to Evens for one or the other (Or both) to occur, SQRT(2) ( 1.414) would do it.
The implied probability of either Trump, Brexit or both right now is 43.7%.0 -
In many US states, you are allowed to cast a "provisional vote" by registering at the same time as you cast your vote, so long as you bring a specific identification document with you (e.g. driver's licence). I think they are normally only counted (after a delay to conduct verification checks on the identity of the person registering) where the numbers are sufficient that it could change the outcome when the registered votes are counted.not_on_fire said:
Why exactly does registration need to close so far in advance of the election anyway in this day and age? Can't see why it couldn't be open until at least the weekend before the vote.MP_SE said:
Provide another 2 hours for voters to register. Anymore than that and it looks like gerrymandering.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's not a rule break, the website crashed, before the deadline, they are making sure people aren't disenfranchised.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."
Why do Remainers want to break the rules when things aren't going their way?
That is still only a small step though. The best and most comprenhensive registration systems now operating in many parts of the world integrate electoral registration with other official records of your identity, so that normally you don't need to register and instead the government does it automatically for you based on the other official records they have of you.0 -
If we get to 80% turnout you wont be seeing a Conservative government for quite some time.TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed. I'd rather lose this referendum on an 80% turnout than win it on a 40% turnout.AlastairMeeks said:I see this is not the thread when pbers across the political spectrum are agonising about poor levels of voter engagement.
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I presume you mean that you're registered twice on electoral rolls?SandyRentool said:
I'm so passionate about voter engagement that I'm registered to vote twice!AlastairMeeks said:I see this is not the thread when pbers across the political spectrum are agonising about poor levels of voter engagement.
Edit: So put me down for a 50% turnout.0 -
I would be amazed at 80% turnout.0
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One does wonder why there should be so much interest in a thing that's been hardly registering on the voter-interest scale.AlastairMeeks said:I see this is not the thread when pbers across the political spectrum are agonising about poor levels of voter engagement.
Can it be that people aren't interested in the EU because there's nothing they can do to influence it?
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I don't understand what the problem is, just move the deadline to midnight tonight, if it crashes again, then tough luck.0
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Agreed, when you stress test you don't test your max expected level of usage, you test 5x that amount just in caseSandpit said:
Bollocks. As an IT guy they screwed up, should have known it was coming and planned accordingly. No sympathy for the EC, I want to see their CIO or IT Dir before a select ctte.TheScreamingEagles said:
They stress tested it to GE levels of registration and beyond, but it was several times that levelsMarkHopkins said:chestnut said:
They have applied to register, haven't they?MarkHopkins said:If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-
"Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."
Last year, it turned out that only 30% actually made it through out of 5m applicants.
I don't understand why the service crashed at all.
A well built system on a scalable cloud infrastructure should have handled the surge without problems.
They KNOW they will get these surges, yet were still not ready for it?
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Exactly. And the poll cards from our old address were forwarded to us thanks to Royal Mail redirection.david_herdson said:
I presume you mean that you're registered twice on electoral rolls?SandyRentool said:
I'm so passionate about voter engagement that I'm registered to vote twice!AlastairMeeks said:I see this is not the thread when pbers across the political spectrum are agonising about poor levels of voter engagement.
Edit: So put me down for a 50% turnout.0 -
I don't know if this has been discussed already, but I found it quite interesting:
http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/06/07/euroskepticism-beyond-brexit/
Look at the favourability rating of the EU in France, it's even worse than here.
Also the detail of our favourability ratings are interesting, the right left split is quite large, but the moderates/centrists have almost the same rating a the right. Again, the "little Englander" charge seems like a big, big gamble given that EUsceptics are the mainstream.0 -
You can with unrelated markets at Ladbrokes. @Shadsy is offering 11.05 on a Trump/Brexit double.tlg86 said:
Bookies should offer accumulators on these things.Pulpstar said:
Brexit = 3.75Sandpit said:
Anna, neither are close to evens.Anna said:Assuming Brexit and a Trump presidency aren't correlated - the markets seem to be suggesting it's about evens for one or other or both events to occur. Interesting times!
Brexit is around 11/4 (nearly 3/1) and Trump is 10/3 (3.3/1) to be next President.
Trump = 4.3 ;
Implied:
¬ Brexit = 1.3636..
¬ Trump = 1.3030..
Brexit + Trump = 16.125
Brexit + ¬ Trump = 4.886
¬ Brexit + Trump = 5.8636
¬ Brexit + ¬ Trump = 1.7768
Neither has to be close to Evens for one or the other (Or both) to occur, SQRT(2) ( 1.414) would do it.
The implied probability of either Trump, Brexit or both right now is 43.7%.0 -
I think Shadsy is letting people back a Leave and Trump doubletlg86 said:
Bookies should offer accumulators on these things.Pulpstar said:
Brexit = 3.75Sandpit said:
Anna, neither are close to evens.Anna said:Assuming Brexit and a Trump presidency aren't correlated - the markets seem to be suggesting it's about evens for one or other or both events to occur. Interesting times!
Brexit is around 11/4 (nearly 3/1) and Trump is 10/3 (3.3/1) to be next President.
Trump = 4.3 ;
Implied:
¬ Brexit = 1.3636..
¬ Trump = 1.3030..
Brexit + Trump = 16.125
Brexit + ¬ Trump = 4.886
¬ Brexit + Trump = 5.8636
¬ Brexit + ¬ Trump = 1.7768
Neither has to be close to Evens for one or the other (Or both) to occur, SQRT(2) ( 1.414) would do it.
The implied probability of either Trump, Brexit or both right now is 43.7%.0 -
1.81 for Hillary/Remain0
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Maybe. But I'm expecting a Thousand Year Cameroon Reich after a strong Remain victory.Alanbrooke said:
If we get to 80% turnout you wont be seeing a Conservative government for quite some time.TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed. I'd rather lose this referendum on an 80% turnout than win it on a 40% turnout.AlastairMeeks said:I see this is not the thread when pbers across the political spectrum are agonising about poor levels of voter engagement.
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