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Clinton wins a majority of pledged delegates but Sanders intends to fight to the convention https://t.co/GxidqTD8Q6 pic.twitter.com/w27IG4g96g

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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Alien vs Predator...
  • eekeek Posts: 28,797
    edited June 2016
    Trumped (Grr)
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,450
    When will the first Clinton scandal hit? ;)
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,387

    Alien vs Predator...

    It's "The Producers" turned into a presidential election.
  • Alien vs Predator...

    "Killer Clinton", as the BBC One o'clock news subtitle software likes to call her.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Does it matter if Sanders refuses to quit now? He's lost and it is over.

    That's like Liz Kendall refusing to quit the Labour leadership election.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    I feel genuinely sorry for the US electorate.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786
    Sanders need to give up, otherwise he'll be creating POTUS Trump.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554

    Sanders need to give up, otherwise he'll be creating POTUS Trump.

    Imagine if he stood as an independent....
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,614
    The Betfair 22 on over 80% turnout is in to 12.5 an hour later
    The Betfair 7 on 75-80% is only down to 6.2. Value on this.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,614
    edited June 2016

    Alien vs Predator...

    Must feel like that to most Americans. Imagine we had a direct election for Farage or Corbyn as dictator for four years!?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JoeWatts_: Top brexiteer @DanHannanMEP says small Leave win won't be mandate for big change https://t.co/yCvH6ET0kH by @nicholascecil + @matt_watts80
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,726

    Sanders need to give up, otherwise he'll be creating POTUS Trump.

    Cruz has also refused to yet endorse Trump, both will fight over the party platform at the Convention
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,450
    edited June 2016
    FPT
    RodCrosby said:

    More Brexit chaos beckons. After the registration website crashing, now returning officers have been told to expect a turnout of 80%...

    An 80% turnout for something we've been told for years that nobody cares about would be pretty amazing whichever way it went...



    I'm surprised if the law doesn't give the discretionary right to an extension in the event of technical problems.





    I don't know... On Newsnight last night they were pretty unequivocal that it's "illegal" to extend voter registration beyond the cut off time... Maybe they were wrong though?
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    edited June 2016
    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited June 2016
    OT - just to reassure those who were terribly worried by the plummeting pound - rejoice!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/08/pound-jumps-as-uk-factories-roar-back-into-life/
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,418

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,410

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    Why are REMAINERS afraid of democracy?
    :lol:
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,418
    John_M said:

    OT - just to reassure those who were terribly worried by the plummeting pound - rejoice!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/08/pound-jumps-as-uk-factories-roar-back-into-life/

    Thanks to some good Remain polls and George Osborne's stewardship of the economy.

    Huzzah for Dave and George.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,726

    Sanders need to give up, otherwise he'll be creating POTUS Trump.

    Imagine if he stood as an independent....
    He won't it is all about the platform
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,807
    @nunu

    I've answered your question about standard distribution on the previous thread

    @RodCrosby

    I've thanked you for your run-of-heads answer on the previous thread
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    HYUFD said:

    Sanders need to give up, otherwise he'll be creating POTUS Trump.

    Imagine if he stood as an independent....
    He won't it is all about the platform
    I know he won't, I just saying imagine the chaos if he did.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?
    I don't know why registration closed this early. They should extend it for another week. It's a big decision, we need as many people to have had the opportunity to vote as possible.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,410

    Does it matter if Sanders refuses to quit now? He's lost and it is over.

    That's like Liz Kendall refusing to quit the Labour leadership election.

    "No, the country comes first!" - Liz Kendall, 2015.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?

    Why do Remainers want to break the rules when things aren't going their way?

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,410

    Alien vs Predator...

    It's "The Producers" turned into a presidential election.
    Springtime for Hillary!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,614
    Scott_P said:

    @JoeWatts_: Top brexiteer @DanHannanMEP says small Leave win won't be mandate for big change https://t.co/yCvH6ET0kH by @nicholascecil + @matt_watts80

    Good on Hannan. He's worked this through years ago, trying to change the world on 51% of the vote either way isn't going to work.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    They have applied to register, haven't they?

    Last year, it turned out that only 30% actually made it through out of 5m applicants.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,726

    HYUFD said:

    Sanders need to give up, otherwise he'll be creating POTUS Trump.

    Imagine if he stood as an independent....
    He won't it is all about the platform
    I know he won't, I just saying imagine the chaos if he did.

    HYUFD said:

    Sanders need to give up, otherwise he'll be creating POTUS Trump.

    Imagine if he stood as an independent....
    He won't it is all about the platform
    I know he won't, I just saying imagine the chaos if he did.
    Indeed but the way Cruz is acting not impossible he might run too, both unlikely though
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,614

    Sanders need to give up, otherwise he'll be creating POTUS Trump.

    There's a lot of Sanders supporters that are going to go with Trump. They hate the political Establishment. The election is going to be very close in November.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,418

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?

    Why do Remainers want to break the rules when things aren't going their way?

    It's not a rule break, the website crashed, before the deadline, they are making sure people aren't disenfranchised.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,726

    Does it matter if Sanders refuses to quit now? He's lost and it is over.

    That's like Liz Kendall refusing to quit the Labour leadership election.

    Kendall got 5%, Sanders has won 43%
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,410

    John_M said:

    OT - just to reassure those who were terribly worried by the plummeting pound - rejoice!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/08/pound-jumps-as-uk-factories-roar-back-into-life/

    Thanks to some good Remain polls and George Osborne's stewardship of the economy.

    Huzzah for Dave and George.
    Sunil - "TSE, what begins "Come here!" and ends with "Ow!"?"
    TSE - "I don't know."
    Sunil - "Come here" [punches TSE in the face!]
    TSE - "Ow!"
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,386
    And on the new thread :)

    So, developing a previous post on how Euro 2016 (just wrt England for the current post) will look over the referendum, FWIW:

    England's group fate will be known on Monday evening
    England's opponent is very likely not to be known until Wednesday night due to both 3rd place qualification table and group F being decided on that night
    So, will be very little time for debate of the aspects relevant to a known opponent, though the range of likely opponents will narrow down and perhaps allow some discussion beforehand.

    Looking at the various odds, implied possible opponents for England are as follows. Match expected to follow on Saturday unless stated. As might be expected it's all a bit pinsticker-y:

    12% - None / England fail to qualify from group
    10% - Romania
    8% - Austria (Mon)
    7% - Albania, Croatia, Turkey, Czech Republic, Switzerland
    6% - Portugal, Iceland (both Mon)
    5% - Hungary (Mon), Germany (likely Sun, poss Sat), Spain
    3% - Ukraine, Poland (likely Sat, poss Sun)
    1% - France, Northern Ireland

    By EU status:

    Eastern European EU member (inc Croatia) - 32%
    Western European EU member - 26%
    Accession talks state - 14%
    EEA and/or EFTA - 13%
    DNQ - 12%
    Non EU member - 3%
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,304

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?
    Had this happened last year, do you think the Government would have been kind and said "oh go on then".
  • AnnaAnna Posts: 59
    Assuming Brexit and a Trump presidency aren't correlated - the markets seem to be suggesting it's about evens for one or other or both events to occur. Interesting times!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,418
    tlg86 said:

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?
    Had this happened last year, do you think the Government would have been kind and said "oh go on then".
    Yes, they are democrats, the more people that vote in this referendum the better.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,258

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?

    Why do Remainers want to break the rules when things aren't going their way?

    Because Remain need those votes.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,450
    edited June 2016
    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:

    @JoeWatts_: Top brexiteer @DanHannanMEP says small Leave win won't be mandate for big change https://t.co/yCvH6ET0kH by @nicholascecil + @matt_watts80

    Good on Hannan. He's worked this through years ago, trying to change the world on 51% of the vote either way isn't going to work.
    Agreed, but you think europhiles like Cameron and Osborne won't ram more "integration" down our throats with 51% of the vote?
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    chestnut said:

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    They have applied to register, haven't they?

    Last year, it turned out that only 30% actually made it through out of 5m applicants.

    I don't understand why the service crashed at all.

    A well built system on a scalable cloud infrastructure should have handled the surge without problems.

    They KNOW they will get these surges, yet were still not ready for it?

  • John_M said:

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?
    I don't know why registration closed this early. They should extend it for another week. It's a big decision, we need as many people to have had the opportunity to vote as possible.
    No, even as a Remainer I don't agree. Rules is rules. You can't change them us you go along, depending on whether you think it'll help your particular cause. It not as though there's not been enough publicity about the referendum.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,418

    chestnut said:

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    They have applied to register, haven't they?

    Last year, it turned out that only 30% actually made it through out of 5m applicants.

    I don't understand why the service crashed at all.

    A well built system on a scalable cloud infrastructure should have handled the surge without problems.

    They KNOW they will get these surges, yet were still not ready for it?

    They stress tested it to GE levels of registration and beyond, but it was several times that levels
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?

    Why do Remainers want to break the rules when things aren't going their way?

    It's not a rule break, the website crashed, before the deadline, they are making sure people aren't disenfranchised.

    They could have held the web site open another hour or so and it would have covered it.

    Cameron is doing well in excess of that.

    And the website should not have crashed (see my other post).

  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?

    Why do Remainers want to break the rules when things aren't going their way?

    It's not a rule break, the website crashed, before the deadline, they are making sure people aren't disenfranchised.
    Provide another 2 hours for voters to register. Anymore than that and it looks like gerrymandering.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,410
    HYUFD said:

    Does it matter if Sanders refuses to quit now? He's lost and it is over.

    That's like Liz Kendall refusing to quit the Labour leadership election.

    Kendall got 5%, Sanders has won 43%
    Kendall got 4.46%!
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,450
    Have we heard anything about Lord Haywards research predicting a LEAVE win?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,713

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?

    Why do Remainers want to break the rules when things aren't going their way?

    It's not a rule break, the website crashed, before the deadline, they are making sure people aren't disenfranchised.
    Hohoho

    It's like you go to a play or a concert and everyone else is expected to wait for the handful of idiots who cant get there on time because they were watching the end of Emmerdale.

  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    John_M said:

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?
    I don't know why registration closed this early. They should extend it for another week. It's a big decision, we need as many people to have had the opportunity to vote as possible.
    No, even as a Remainer I don't agree. Rules is rules. You can't change them us you go along, depending on whether you think it'll help your particular cause. It not as though there's not been enough publicity about the referendum.
    Ordinarily I'd agree (I'm a Leaver btw), however, it seems to me that our biggest challenges are going to begin on June 24th, irrespective of the result.

    A lot of fences will need to be mended. I don't want either side to be banging 'we wuz robbed' drum any more than is necessary.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,304
    From the Guardian:

    "Blair said that Twitter and social media had created “the era of the loudmouth” and that this made David Cameron’s job even harder than the job of prime minister was when he did it."

    Blair also said that he expected turnout at the referendum would be "substantially higher" than the GE.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    MP_SE said:

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?

    Why do Remainers want to break the rules when things aren't going their way?

    It's not a rule break, the website crashed, before the deadline, they are making sure people aren't disenfranchised.
    Provide another 2 hours for voters to register. Anymore than that and it looks like gerrymandering.
    Why exactly does registration need to close so far in advance of the election anyway in this day and age? Can't see why it couldn't be open until at least the weekend before the vote.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,713

    tlg86 said:

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?
    Had this happened last year, do you think the Government would have been kind and said "oh go on then".
    Yes, they are democrats, the more people that vote in this referendum the better.
    In that case why isn't voting compulsory?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,726
    GIN1138 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:

    @JoeWatts_: Top brexiteer @DanHannanMEP says small Leave win won't be mandate for big change https://t.co/yCvH6ET0kH by @nicholascecil + @matt_watts80

    Good on Hannan. He's worked this through years ago, trying to change the world on 51% of the vote either way isn't going to work.
    Agreed, but you think europhiles like Cameron and Osborne won't ram more "integration" down our throats with 51% of the vote?
    If they try UKIP will lick their lips!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,614
    Anna said:

    Assuming Brexit and a Trump presidency aren't correlated - the markets seem to be suggesting it's about evens for one or other or both events to occur. Interesting times!

    Anna, neither are close to evens.

    Brexit is around 11/4 (nearly 3/1) and Trump is 10/3 (3.3/1) to be next President.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,450
    tlg86 said:

    From the Guardian:

    "Blair said that Twitter and social media had created “the era of the loudmouth” and that this made David Cameron’s job even harder than the job of prime minister was when he did it."

    Blair also said that he expected turnout at the referendum would be "substantially higher" than the GE.


    Good old Tony getting madder by the day...

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,756

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?

    Why do Remainers want to break the rules when things aren't going their way?

    Because Remain need those votes.
    Maybe we should keep the polling stations open for a couple of hours longer in Remain voting areas.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    chestnut said:

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    They have applied to register, haven't they?

    Last year, it turned out that only 30% actually made it through out of 5m applicants.

    I don't understand why the service crashed at all.

    A well built system on a scalable cloud infrastructure should have handled the surge without problems.

    They KNOW they will get these surges, yet were still not ready for it?

    They stress tested it to GE levels of registration and beyond, but it was several times that levels

    Scalable means it can grow well beyond your plans.

    With cloud servers you can just specify when another server will be created (in a few minutes) to automatically handle the new load. It should have just kept on expanding as more people turned up.

    You have design it with that in mind, of course.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,614
    edited June 2016

    chestnut said:

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    They have applied to register, haven't they?

    Last year, it turned out that only 30% actually made it through out of 5m applicants.

    I don't understand why the service crashed at all.

    A well built system on a scalable cloud infrastructure should have handled the surge without problems.

    They KNOW they will get these surges, yet were still not ready for it?

    They stress tested it to GE levels of registration and beyond, but it was several times that levels
    Bollocks. As an IT guy they screwed up, should have known it was coming and planned accordingly. No sympathy for the EC, I want to see their CIO or IT Dir before a select ctte.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,450
    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:

    @JoeWatts_: Top brexiteer @DanHannanMEP says small Leave win won't be mandate for big change https://t.co/yCvH6ET0kH by @nicholascecil + @matt_watts80

    Good on Hannan. He's worked this through years ago, trying to change the world on 51% of the vote either way isn't going to work.
    Agreed, but you think europhiles like Cameron and Osborne won't ram more "integration" down our throats with 51% of the vote?
    If they try UKIP will lick their lips!
    Too late. There won't be another EU referendum while any of us are alive... The "establishment" won't dare let the plebs have a say again.

    This. Is. It.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,418

    tlg86 said:

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?
    Had this happened last year, do you think the Government would have been kind and said "oh go on then".
    Yes, they are democrats, the more people that vote in this referendum the better.
    In that case why isn't voting compulsory?
    Because if people don't wish to vote, that's their choice.

    But if people wish to vote, and are eligible to do so, they should be able to.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    tlg86 said:

    From the Guardian:

    "Blair said that Twitter and social media had created “the era of the loudmouth” and that this made David Cameron’s job even harder than the job of prime minister was when he did it."

    Blair also said that he expected turnout at the referendum would be "substantially higher" than the GE.

    Blair: "I remember when it was all fields round here".

    Still, he's not diminished himself as much as Brown did, so there's that.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited June 2016
    From last May

    "The deadline to register to vote for the 2015 General Election has passed – and nearly half a million people put their names on the electoral register on Monday."

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,418
    Plus anyhoo you're all getting your knickers in a twist.

    Remember how the young uns were going to win the IndyRef for Eck, and it turns out they voted to remain in the UK.

    Who knows young people might vote Leave and confound expectations again.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,713

    tlg86 said:

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?
    Had this happened last year, do you think the Government would have been kind and said "oh go on then".
    Yes, they are democrats, the more people that vote in this referendum the better.
    In that case why isn't voting compulsory?
    Because if people don't wish to vote, that's their choice.

    But if people wish to vote, and are eligible to do so, they should be able to.
    You're doing the dance of the seven veils without any veils.

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    The question of late registration is probably much less important than everyone imagines:

    https://twitter.com/philipjcowley/status/740530283938713600
    https://twitter.com/philipjcowley/status/740530361508204544
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,726
    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:

    @JoeWatts_: Top brexiteer @DanHannanMEP says small Leave win won't be mandate for big change https://t.co/yCvH6ET0kH by @nicholascecil + @matt_watts80

    Good on Hannan. He's worked this through years ago, trying to change the world on 51% of the vote either way isn't going to work.
    Agreed, but you think europhiles like Cameron and Osborne won't ram more "integration" down our throats with 51% of the vote?
    If they try UKIP will lick their lips!
    Too late. There won't be another EU referendum while any of us are alive... The "establishment" won't dare let the plebs have a say again.

    This. Is. It.
    Unless the establishment lose all their votes and seats to UKIP, as they did in Scotland to the SNP!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554

    Plus anyhoo you're all getting your knickers in a twist.

    Remember how the young uns were going to win the IndyRef for Eck, and it turns out they voted to remain in the UK.

    Who knows young people might vote Leave and confound expectations again.

    Also, they might not vote...could be all their mums and dads registering them, like Jacqui Smith...
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,713

    Plus anyhoo you're all getting your knickers in a twist.

    Remember how the young uns were going to win the IndyRef for Eck, and it turns out they voted to remain in the UK.

    Who knows young people might vote Leave and confound expectations again.

    Or they just wont bother turning up. Or they'll try to vote on the 24th when they see the results.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,418
    edited June 2016

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?

    Why do Remainers want to break the rules when things aren't going their way?

    It's not a rule break, the website crashed, before the deadline, they are making sure people aren't disenfranchised.
    Hohoho

    It's like you go to a play or a concert and everyone else is expected to wait for the handful of idiots who cant get there on time because they were watching the end of Emmerdale.

    If your ticket says the stage manager will call seats at 7.20 pm for a start of 7.30pm, and you approach the venue to get your seats at 7pm only to find the The Ring Cycle started at 6.30pm, you're going to be pissed off.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554

    Plus anyhoo you're all getting your knickers in a twist.

    Remember how the young uns were going to win the IndyRef for Eck, and it turns out they voted to remain in the UK.

    Who knows young people might vote Leave and confound expectations again.

    Or they just wont bother turning up. Or they'll try to vote on the 24th when they see the results.
    Or try and vote via twitter poll :-)
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,450
    I think there's a LOT of confusion about the registeration process in general.

    An elderly neighbor asked me whether they needed to "register" to vote in the referendum even though they received their polling cards weeks ago...
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    Parents have returned their postal votes putting a cross against the "Leave" box!

    (Bangs head against table!)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,662
    Stuff always breaks down when there are large loads put through !

  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
  • RobCRobC Posts: 398
    Trump will lose not primarily because of his divisive politics but because he is a thin skinned, unsuitable personality type for POTUS
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,713

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?

    Why do Remainers want to break the rules when things aren't going their way?

    It's not a rule break, the website crashed, before the deadline, they are making sure people aren't disenfranchised.
    Hohoho

    It's like you go to a play or a concert and everyone else is expected to wait for the handful of idiots who cant get there on time because they were watching the end of Emmerdale.

    If your ticket says the stage manager will call seats at 7.20 pm for a start of 7.30pm, and you approach the venue to get your seats at 7pm only to find the The Ring started at 6.30pm, you're going to be pissed off.
    Except of course the call is still at 7.20 and you're still parking your car because you couldnt get the ticket barrier to work. The management haven;t moved the time youve just not got there on time because youre crap at organisation.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    murali_s said:

    Parents have returned their postal votes putting a cross against the "Leave" box!

    (Bangs head against table!)

    I know one day you want to be as wise as your parents, but I don't think banging your head on the table will achieve it.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?

    Why do Remainers want to break the rules when things aren't going their way?

    It's not a rule break, the website crashed, before the deadline, they are making sure people aren't disenfranchised.
    Hohoho

    It's like you go to a play or a concert and everyone else is expected to wait for the handful of idiots who cant get there on time because they were watching the end of Emmerdale.

    If your ticket says the stage manager will call seats at 7.20 pm for a start of 7.30pm, and you approach the venue to get your seats at 7pm only to find the The Ring started at 6.30pm, you're going to be pissed off.
    Its a two hour wait for the first interval of Gotterdamerung.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited June 2016
    dr_spyn said:
    You can sense his growing anguish and irritation with each tweet :smile:
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,340
    edited June 2016
    murali_s said:

    Parents have returned their postal votes putting a cross against the "Leave" box!

    (Bangs head against table!)

    Maybe it will knock some sense into you so you also put your cross in the leave box. Your parents sound like decent people.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780

    tlg86 said:

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?
    Had this happened last year, do you think the Government would have been kind and said "oh go on then".
    Yes, they are democrats, the more people that vote in this referendum the better.
    No, they are taking action to mitigate to reduce (very slightly) the appalling and worsening level of disenfranchisement in our system of electoral registration for this one vote only because in this referendum the tables are turned and that disenfranchisement will make it harder to deliver the result that Cameron and the Government are seeking. Generally, the level of disenfranchisement acts to keep off the registration those who would vote against the government (e.g. young people, those in privately rented housing), so Cameron has done diddly squat to address the problem and in fact up to now has been happy to have brought in changes to the registration system which have made those problems much worse.

    So Cameron is anything but a democrat, because he is concerned to improve democracy only in a rare case when doing so works to his political advantage.

    I write that as someone committed to Leave. As I democrat I welcome the fact that the deadline has been extended, regardless of the fact that a Leave vote is less likely as a consequence. What I object to is the hypocrisy of Cameron's failure to do anything to address the wider and manifest flaws in the system of individual registration, the rush to late registration being a symptom of a much wider problem.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,662
    edited June 2016
    Sandpit said:

    Anna said:

    Assuming Brexit and a Trump presidency aren't correlated - the markets seem to be suggesting it's about evens for one or other or both events to occur. Interesting times!

    Anna, neither are close to evens.

    Brexit is around 11/4 (nearly 3/1) and Trump is 10/3 (3.3/1) to be next President.
    Brexit = 3.75
    Trump = 4.3 ;

    Implied:

    ¬ Brexit = 1.3636..
    ¬ Trump = 1.3030..

    Brexit + Trump = 16.125
    Brexit + ¬ Trump = 4.886
    ¬ Brexit + Trump = 5.8636
    ¬ Brexit + ¬ Trump = 1.7768

    Neither has to be close to Evens for one or the other (Or both) to occur, SQRT(2) ( 1.414) would do it.

    The implied probability of either Trump, Brexit or both right now is 43.7%.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,999

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?

    Why do Remainers want to break the rules when things aren't going their way?

    It's not a rule break, the website crashed, before the deadline, they are making sure people aren't disenfranchised.
    Hohoho

    It's like you go to a play or a concert and everyone else is expected to wait for the handful of idiots who cant get there on time because they were watching the end of Emmerdale.

    If your ticket says the stage manager will call seats at 7.20 pm for a start of 7.30pm, and you approach the venue to get your seats at 7pm only to find the The Ring started at 6.30pm, you're going to be pissed off.
    Except of course the call is still at 7.20 and you're still parking your car because you couldnt get the ticket barrier to work. The management haven;t moved the time youve just not got there on time because youre crap at organisation.
    It's worse than that. They've turned up at 7.18 demanding to be able to buy tickets.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I see this is not the thread when pbers across the political spectrum are agonising about poor levels of voter engagement.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,418

    I see this is not the thread when pbers across the political spectrum are agonising about poor levels of voter engagement.

    Indeed. I'd rather lose this referendum on an 80% turnout than win it on a 40% turnout.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,387
    edited June 2016

    I see this is not the thread when pbers across the political spectrum are agonising about poor levels of voter engagement.

    I'm so passionate about voter engagement that I'm registered to vote twice!

    Edit: So put me down for a 50% turnout.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,304
    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    Anna said:

    Assuming Brexit and a Trump presidency aren't correlated - the markets seem to be suggesting it's about evens for one or other or both events to occur. Interesting times!

    Anna, neither are close to evens.

    Brexit is around 11/4 (nearly 3/1) and Trump is 10/3 (3.3/1) to be next President.
    Brexit = 3.75
    Trump = 4.3 ;

    Implied:

    ¬ Brexit = 1.3636..
    ¬ Trump = 1.3030..

    Brexit + Trump = 16.125
    Brexit + ¬ Trump = 4.886
    ¬ Brexit + Trump = 5.8636
    ¬ Brexit + ¬ Trump = 1.7768

    Neither has to be close to Evens for one or the other (Or both) to occur, SQRT(2) ( 1.414) would do it.

    The implied probability of either Trump, Brexit or both right now is 43.7%.
    Bookies should offer accumulators on these things.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780

    MP_SE said:

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    Why are Leavers afraid of democracy?

    Why do Remainers want to break the rules when things aren't going their way?

    It's not a rule break, the website crashed, before the deadline, they are making sure people aren't disenfranchised.
    Provide another 2 hours for voters to register. Anymore than that and it looks like gerrymandering.
    Why exactly does registration need to close so far in advance of the election anyway in this day and age? Can't see why it couldn't be open until at least the weekend before the vote.
    In many US states, you are allowed to cast a "provisional vote" by registering at the same time as you cast your vote, so long as you bring a specific identification document with you (e.g. driver's licence). I think they are normally only counted (after a delay to conduct verification checks on the identity of the person registering) where the numbers are sufficient that it could change the outcome when the registered votes are counted.

    That is still only a small step though. The best and most comprenhensive registration systems now operating in many parts of the world integrate electoral registration with other official records of your identity, so that normally you don't need to register and instead the government does it automatically for you based on the other official records they have of you.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,713

    I see this is not the thread when pbers across the political spectrum are agonising about poor levels of voter engagement.

    Indeed. I'd rather lose this referendum on an 80% turnout than win it on a 40% turnout.
    If we get to 80% turnout you wont be seeing a Conservative government for quite some time.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,999

    I see this is not the thread when pbers across the political spectrum are agonising about poor levels of voter engagement.

    I'm so passionate about voter engagement that I'm registered to vote twice!

    Edit: So put me down for a 50% turnout.
    I presume you mean that you're registered twice on electoral rolls?
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    I would be amazed at 80% turnout.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,149

    I see this is not the thread when pbers across the political spectrum are agonising about poor levels of voter engagement.

    One does wonder why there should be so much interest in a thing that's been hardly registering on the voter-interest scale.

    Can it be that people aren't interested in the EU because there's nothing they can do to influence it?

    (Good afternoon, everybody)
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,340
    I don't understand what the problem is, just move the deadline to midnight tonight, if it crashes again, then tough luck.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    Sandpit said:

    chestnut said:

    If anyone wants to know why Cameron wants to break the rules for the election, and extend the registration period it is this:-

    "Around 132,000 of the people who registered on Tuesday were aged under 25, compared to around 13,000 from the 65 to 74-year-old age group."

    They have applied to register, haven't they?

    Last year, it turned out that only 30% actually made it through out of 5m applicants.

    I don't understand why the service crashed at all.

    A well built system on a scalable cloud infrastructure should have handled the surge without problems.

    They KNOW they will get these surges, yet were still not ready for it?

    They stress tested it to GE levels of registration and beyond, but it was several times that levels
    Bollocks. As an IT guy they screwed up, should have known it was coming and planned accordingly. No sympathy for the EC, I want to see their CIO or IT Dir before a select ctte.
    Agreed, when you stress test you don't test your max expected level of usage, you test 5x that amount just in case
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,387

    I see this is not the thread when pbers across the political spectrum are agonising about poor levels of voter engagement.

    I'm so passionate about voter engagement that I'm registered to vote twice!

    Edit: So put me down for a 50% turnout.
    I presume you mean that you're registered twice on electoral rolls?
    Exactly. And the poll cards from our old address were forwarded to us thanks to Royal Mail redirection.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,340
    edited June 2016
    I don't know if this has been discussed already, but I found it quite interesting:

    http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/06/07/euroskepticism-beyond-brexit/

    Look at the favourability rating of the EU in France, it's even worse than here.

    Also the detail of our favourability ratings are interesting, the right left split is quite large, but the moderates/centrists have almost the same rating a the right. Again, the "little Englander" charge seems like a big, big gamble given that EUsceptics are the mainstream.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,662
    edited June 2016
    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    Anna said:

    Assuming Brexit and a Trump presidency aren't correlated - the markets seem to be suggesting it's about evens for one or other or both events to occur. Interesting times!

    Anna, neither are close to evens.

    Brexit is around 11/4 (nearly 3/1) and Trump is 10/3 (3.3/1) to be next President.
    Brexit = 3.75
    Trump = 4.3 ;

    Implied:

    ¬ Brexit = 1.3636..
    ¬ Trump = 1.3030..

    Brexit + Trump = 16.125
    Brexit + ¬ Trump = 4.886
    ¬ Brexit + Trump = 5.8636
    ¬ Brexit + ¬ Trump = 1.7768

    Neither has to be close to Evens for one or the other (Or both) to occur, SQRT(2) ( 1.414) would do it.

    The implied probability of either Trump, Brexit or both right now is 43.7%.
    Bookies should offer accumulators on these things.
    You can with unrelated markets at Ladbrokes. @Shadsy is offering 11.05 on a Trump/Brexit double.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,418
    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    Anna said:

    Assuming Brexit and a Trump presidency aren't correlated - the markets seem to be suggesting it's about evens for one or other or both events to occur. Interesting times!

    Anna, neither are close to evens.

    Brexit is around 11/4 (nearly 3/1) and Trump is 10/3 (3.3/1) to be next President.
    Brexit = 3.75
    Trump = 4.3 ;

    Implied:

    ¬ Brexit = 1.3636..
    ¬ Trump = 1.3030..

    Brexit + Trump = 16.125
    Brexit + ¬ Trump = 4.886
    ¬ Brexit + Trump = 5.8636
    ¬ Brexit + ¬ Trump = 1.7768

    Neither has to be close to Evens for one or the other (Or both) to occur, SQRT(2) ( 1.414) would do it.

    The implied probability of either Trump, Brexit or both right now is 43.7%.
    Bookies should offer accumulators on these things.
    I think Shadsy is letting people back a Leave and Trump double
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,662
    1.81 for Hillary/Remain
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,418

    I see this is not the thread when pbers across the political spectrum are agonising about poor levels of voter engagement.

    Indeed. I'd rather lose this referendum on an 80% turnout than win it on a 40% turnout.
    If we get to 80% turnout you wont be seeing a Conservative government for quite some time.
    Maybe. But I'm expecting a Thousand Year Cameroon Reich after a strong Remain victory.
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