Why exactly would Denmark leave Europe after Brexit?
I fear this is just the LEAVE campaign engaging in a bit of jingoism. We don't want to be part of Europe, we want Europe to follow us.
That europhile dictionary in full:
Patriotism: leading Europe by giving up more powers to the EU and not influencing it Jingoism: leading Europe by setting an example outside the EU and actually influencing it
This is an example of the bad-faith slanging and refusal to engage with opposing arguments that is poisoning PB comments and repelling those who disagree with the ever-narrowing consensus.
Just let them chat amongst themselves. Its really quite entertaining reading. The gist of its the same every day. Basically anything Cameron does is bad. He's really a Lib Dem., Gove is God, they aren't racist whatever they say, if they lose it will be because the referendums unfair. And all remainers are rude and sneer at them. (Yes the lack of self perception is astonishing).
Occasionally you get a new special. Today's have included accusing the government of rigging the referendum by allowing people to register to vote( this is bad). Oh and now we are virtual high fiving each other on our ability to vote.
Osborne has one objective in this interview - to make people think leaving the EU is risky.
People on here may follow the minutiae of the debate - that is all irrelevant to 95% of viewers.
Yebbut it's not working. Andrew is making him look a laughing stock.
Honestly, I'm *trying* to be scared, just to put myself in the shoes of a floating voter, but I'm just laughing at him.
Nobody on this site - not you, not me, not anyone else, is a good judge of whether or not he is succeeding - because everyone on here is a million times more interested in politics than the average voter.
I am actually quite good at cognitive dissonance. I call it as I see it.
But, I take your broader point. No-one can truly do that.
He won't do it, but I wish Andrew Neil would put it to Osborne that the country need high immigration to hide the fact that the Chancellor is a busted flush.
Osborne has one objective in this interview - to make people think leaving the EU is risky.
People on here may follow the minutiae of the debate - that is all irrelevant to 95% of viewers.
Yebbut it's not working. Andrew is making him look a laughing stock.
Honestly, I'm *trying* to be scared, just to put myself in the shoes of a floating voter, but I'm just laughing at him.
Nobody on this site - not you, not me, not anyone else, is a good judge of whether or not he is succeeding - because everyone on here is a million times more interested in politics than the average voter.
The audience of this programme will very largely be people highly interested in politics - Coronation Street is on the other side for one thing, and it's a lovely evening.
Which clips will be run by the news, and themes picked up by the newspapers will be more important I guess.
Trouble is that Osborne is good at strategy and crafting headline numbers, messages and attack lines but it all falls apart under forensic analysis and scrutiny.
That's why he hasn't gone up against Andrew Neil until now.
Osborne has one objective in this interview - to make people think leaving the EU is risky.
People on here may follow the minutiae of the debate - that is all irrelevant to 95% of viewers.
Yebbut it's not working. Andrew is making him look a laughing stock.
Honestly, I'm *trying* to be scared, just to put myself in the shoes of a floating voter, but I'm just laughing at him.
Nobody on this site - not you, not me, not anyone else, is a good judge of whether or not he is succeeding - because everyone on here is a million times more interested in politics than the average voter.
Of course. But, there is no doubt that as a job interview to be our next PM Osborne is failing very badly. Unfit to play a leading political role.
Osborne has one objective in this interview - to make people think leaving the EU is risky.
People on here may follow the minutiae of the debate - that is all irrelevant to 95% of viewers.
Yebbut it's not working. Andrew is making him look a laughing stock.
Honestly, I'm *trying* to be scared, just to put myself in the shoes of a floating voter, but I'm just laughing at him.
Nobody on this site - not you, not me, not anyone else, is a good judge of whether or not he is succeeding - because everyone on here is a million times more interested in politics than the average voter.
I am actually quite good at cognitive dissonance. I call it as I see it.
But, I take your broader point. No-one can truly do that.
You have a strong view on the subject.
The only person's view I would be interested in would be someone totally detached from the issue - ie someone who doesn't live in the UK and hasn't seen any of the people or arguments beforehand.
Osborne has one objective in this interview - to make people think leaving the EU is risky.
People on here may follow the minutiae of the debate - that is all irrelevant to 95% of viewers.
Yebbut it's not working. Andrew is making him look a laughing stock.
Honestly, I'm *trying* to be scared, just to put myself in the shoes of a floating voter, but I'm just laughing at him.
Nobody on this site - not you, not me, not anyone else, is a good judge of whether or not he is succeeding - because everyone on here is a million times more interested in politics than the average voter.
I am actually quite good at cognitive dissonance. I call it as I see it.
But, I take your broader point. No-one can truly do that.
You have a strong view on the subject.
The only person's view I would be interested in would be someone totally detached from the issue - ie someone who doesn't live in the UK and hasn't seen any of the people or arguments beforehand.
Fair enough.
I think it's the undecided and very soft Remainers who'd be the most releveant (who are also registered and very likely to vote) but that's just me.
To paraphrase Neil "We are fighting for truth" You exaggerated the claims for the economy, you promised people restrictions on immigration and failed, you promised Turkey would join and now you say it wont, "Why would the British people trust you?"
It is quite amusing to note how many of Leavers on here proudly announcing they have just used their postal votes to vote Leave are the same posters who in the past frequently whinge about postal voting and post that its use should be severely curtailed .
Osborne banging on about Nigel Farage, repeating the name as much as possible.
I'm not feeling that's going to work, it's personal and we all know Farage.
He's trying to milk the ITV Q&A for all it's worth.
It should lose salience once Boris, Andrea and Gisela get stuck in tomorrow (all of whom are sensible, but Boris really needs to get his tone and pitch right, and give the performance of his life)
That was brutal. Going to be interesting to see how Farage and IDS stand up. Mr Neil is having a good campaign.
Farage and IDS are probably going tobe taken apart, IDS more so as he has a Govt record to justify and he is not strong on economic matters. They should have put Andrea up instead. Perhaps IDS needs a convenient illness?
Douglas Carswell MP retweeted Laura Kuenssberg 30m30 minutes ago Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak Osborne looks v uncomfortable as he's shown clip of PM saying we'd be ok outside EU
A group of us meet regularly for a pint. All ABs runnibg their own businesses. I thought I'd be the only Leaver but we split 3-3. Same arguments as on PB; remainers worried about their wallets leavers worried on wider range of issues.
Mr. White, I only saw a clip, but Neil (on the Daily Politics, I think) asked, with some incredulity, whether leaving the EU would really be worse than the recession after the financial crisis, the Great Depression, or World War One.
Osborne banging on about Nigel Farage, repeating the name as much as possible.
My 15-year-old daughter got an email yesterday from Stronger In, basically asking her to tweet anti-Farage messages during yesterday's debate. There were a few "reminders" as to how nasty he is, presumably for a bit of encouragement. E.g. "He calls gays f**s" and "He doesn't think migrants should be treated for AIDS on the NHS".
My daughter isn't old enough to vote, but she did show me the email and comment that: "They don't give a single reason to vote In, they just make it sound like a way to get at Farage. It is a really important decision and they make it sound like it all comes down to how best to spite one man?!?".
A group of us meet regularly for a pint. All ABs runnibg their own businesses. I thought I'd be the only Leaver but we split 3-3. Same arguments as on PB; remainers worried about their wallets leavers worried on wider range of issues.
You mean you didn't watch Andrew Neil dismantle Lord Voldemort?
Mr. White, I only saw a clip, but Neil (on the Daily Politics, I think) asked, with some incredulity, whether leaving the EU would really be worse than the recession after the financial crisis, the Great Depression, or World War One.
Yes, exactly that one. I was hoping he would do a barn stormer like that.
That was brutal. Going to be interesting to see how Farage and IDS stand up. Mr Neil is having a good campaign.
Farage and IDS are probably going tobe taken apart, IDS more so as he has a Govt record to justify and he is not strong on economic matters. They should have put Andrea up instead. Perhaps IDS needs a convenient illness?
Osborne banging on about Nigel Farage, repeating the name as much as possible.
My 15-year-old daughter got an email yesterday from Stronger In, basically asking her to tweet anti-Farage messages during yesterday's debate. There were a few "reminders" as to how nasty he is, presumably for a bit of encouragement. E.g. "He calls gays f**s" and "He doesn't think migrants should be treated for AIDS on the NHS".
My daughter isn't old enough to vote, but she did show me the email and comment that: "They don't give a single reason to vote In, they just make it sound like a way to get at Farage. It is a really important decision and they make it sound like it all comes down to how best to spite one man?!?".
If a 15 year old can see through that (I would expect most would) then an 18 year old will.
Everyone is going to struggle in an interview with Andrew Neil - he is by far the toughest interviewer - so everyone he is interviewing in this series - ie Benn, Osborne, Farage and IDS is going to come out looking pretty battered.
Given that, the objective of the interviewee has to just be to get their message across. Osborne's over-riding message was that Leave = Risky - jobs lost, inflation up, interest rates up, mortgages up, pensioners worse off.
All he wants is for that to seep deeper into people's minds - hoping to tip some waverers - if not now then maybe as late as in the polling station.
That was brutal. Going to be interesting to see how Farage and IDS stand up. Mr Neil is having a good campaign.
Farage and IDS are probably going tobe taken apart, IDS more so as he has a Govt record to justify and he is not strong on economic matters. They should have put Andrea up instead. Perhaps IDS needs a convenient illness?
Miss Jones, that's rather unappealing (I'd suggest raising it on Twitter, if you tweet, although with things febrile you might get some dung flung your way).
Your daughter, on the other hand, sounds like a sensible young lady. I blame her mother.
A group of us meet regularly for a pint. All ABs runnibg their own businesses. I thought I'd be the only Leaver but we split 3-3. Same arguments as on PB; remainers worried about their wallets leavers worried on wider range of issues.
You mean you didn't watch Andrew Neil dismantle Lord Voldemort?
Mr. White, depends on the individual. Some people do base their view on which side to support upon not wanting to be on the same side as Farage (whereas Tony Blair and Jeremy Corbyn are fine).
A group of us meet regularly for a pint. All ABs runnibg their own businesses. I thought I'd be the only Leaver but we split 3-3. Same arguments as on PB; remainers worried about their wallets leavers worried on wider range of issues.
You mean you didn't watch Andrew Neil dismantle Lord Voldemort?
Huh? Farage is very definitely the Dark Lord. George is Snape.
Everyone is going to struggle in an interview with Andrew Neil - he is by far the toughest interviewer - so everyone he is interviewing in this series - ie Benn, Osborne, Farage and IDS is going to come out looking pretty battered.
Given that, the objective of the interviewee has to just be to get their message across. Osborne's over-riding message was that Leave = Risky - jobs lost, inflation up, interest rates up, mortgages up, pensioners worse off.
All he wants is for that to seep deeper into people's minds - hoping to tip some waverers - if not now then maybe as late as in the polling station.
It is also that leading politicians don't get much practice as they do everything possible to avoid them. I have said this before we should have pm, CoE etc and their shadows on qt course of times a year & other debates / interviews. There is now no regular programme that does long form interviews with politicians anymore.
Mr. White, depends on the individual. Some people do base their view on which side to support upon not wanting to be on the same side as Farage (whereas Tony Blair and Jeremy Corbyn are fine).
We've seen it on this site.
Got to say I won't vote for anything IDS is fronting.
A group of us meet regularly for a pint. All ABs runnibg their own businesses. I thought I'd be the only Leaver but we split 3-3. Same arguments as on PB; remainers worried about their wallets leavers worried on wider range of issues.
You mean you didn't watch Andrew Neil dismantle Lord Voldemort?
Huh? Farage is very definitely the Dark Lord. George is Snape.
Osborne was never going to answer the questions but Neill allowed himself to be shouted down. You can be evasive without being charmless but Osborne has still to learn this. Neill also allowed Osborne to ramble off with his prepared sound bites.
He had effective counter punches, but settled for a light touch on the cheek as Osborne furiously back-pedalled.
I don't like Osborne, so I'm probably biased, but if he was Pinocchio, his nose would have been scratching Neill's cheek.
The 200,000 annual immigrants assumed by the Treasury for their figures, vigorously promoted by George, was a hoot. I'm still waiting for Remain to explain. I suspect I shall wait forever. "It's that Farage, he's a racist, you know." Rinse and repeat.
Osborne's over-riding message was that Leave = Risky - jobs lost, inflation up, interest rates up, mortgages up, pensioners worse off. All he wants is for that to seep deeper into people's minds - hoping to tip some waverers - if not now then maybe as late as in the polling station.
Just one problem. Osborne is regarded as a Leader by only 2% of the voters. TWO EFFING PER CENT..........
98 percent of people who see it are likely to conclude that there is that non entity talking away and arguing with Mr Neil who has been on our tv sets for 40+ years and speaks with authority compared to that Osborne bloke who looks shifty, is a bit nasty and 3 out of 4 of us did not vote for his party a year ago.....
I expect Neil to give Farage and IDS a good going over. But it's worth remembering that both of them have given many interviews to Neil over the years so that experience might help them a bit.
Neill "You promised to cut net migration to under 100,000 and the Treasury document forecasts 200,000 a year....." Bullseye.
I've not been watching it, but if that's what Neil said, he was incorrect. The Treasury analysis doesn't forecast 200,000 a year; it assumes 200,000 (actually 185,000) a year (whether in or out of the EU). The document explicitly states that this is not a forecast.
Mr. White, depends on the individual. Some people do base their view on which side to support upon not wanting to be on the same side as Farage (whereas Tony Blair and Jeremy Corbyn are fine).
We've seen it on this site.
Got to say I won't vote for anything IDS is fronting.
IDS is trusted by more voters than Cameron. An amazing fact.
Mr. White, depends on the individual. Some people do base their view on which side to support upon not wanting to be on the same side as Farage (whereas Tony Blair and Jeremy Corbyn are fine).
We've seen it on this site.
Got to say I won't vote for anything IDS is fronting.
One of my friends went from voting Green to voting for IDS due to some of the fantastic constituency work he has done.
Mr. White, depends on the individual. Some people do base their view on which side to support upon not wanting to be on the same side as Farage (whereas Tony Blair and Jeremy Corbyn are fine).
We've seen it on this site.
Got to say I won't vote for anything IDS is fronting.
One of my friends went from voting Green to voting for IDS due to some of the fantastic constituency work he has done.
IDS gets a lot of abuse on here, I've seen him 4x on TV during the campaign and he's been excellent.
Miss Jones, that's rather unappealing (I'd suggest raising it on Twitter, if you tweet, although with things febrile you might get some dung flung your way).
Your daughter, on the other hand, sounds like a sensible young lady. I blame her mother.
Yes, she is sensible. She is (or would be) a Leaver. As is my 10-year-old (who will shout "Yay! Vote Leave!" whenever we see a roadside sign. (Incidently, I have seen at least half a dozen Vote Leave placards around the town - Sevenoaks- where I live, and nothing for Remain. Not sure what that proves, if anything).
I don't tweet. But the text from the email is below (my daughter's name is Lucy, btw):
"Tonight leading Leave spokesperson Nigel Farage will be on ITV, unleashing his irresponsible lies and untruths about the EU.
Here are some of the things Nigel Farage has said over the years: •He described gay people as ‘fags' •He told women if they want to breastfeed, they should do it ‘in the corner’ •He said foreigners with HIV should not be treated on the NHS – and thinks our health service should be privatised anyway •He told supporters to ‘bully people’ into voting to leave Europe
Will you be bullied by Nigel Farage, Lucy? Donate today to take a stand against Farage and UKIP – and stop them dragging us out of Europe.
Tonight Farage will be on ITV, from 9pm, and we need everyone to get out there on Twitter and Facebook to fight back against his dangerous lies.
Because what he won’t mention tonight is that if we leave the EU, it’s hardworking British families that will be hit the hardest – with jobs lost, prices rising and our economy hit.
Lucy - we can’t let Farage win. Donate now and let’s take the fight to him, Michael Gove and Boris Johnson in this vital referendum."
Thank you, Lucy Thomas, Deputy Director Stronger IN Campaign"
I don't like Osborne, so I'm probably biased, but if he was Pinocchio, his nose would have been scratching Neill's cheek. The 200,000 annual immigrants assumed by the Treasury for their figures, vigorously promoted by George, was a hoot. I'm still waiting for Remain to explain.
The lies from Osborne were just piled up. At no point can I recall him admitting a mistake, correcting it, saying sorry and moving on. Which is the mark of a good Leader.
Miss Jones, that's rather unappealing (I'd suggest raising it on Twitter, if you tweet, although with things febrile you might get some dung flung your way).
Your daughter, on the other hand, sounds like a sensible young lady. I blame her mother.
Here are some of the things Nigel Farage has said over the years: •He described gay people as ‘fags' •He told women if they want to breastfeed, they should do it ‘in the corner’ •He said foreigners with HIV should not be treated on the NHS – and thinks our health service should be privatised anyway •He told supporters to ‘bully people’ into voting to leave Europe .....................Thank you, Lucy Thomas, Deputy Director Stronger IN Campaign"
Lucy Thomas, Deputy Director Stronger IN the Shite Campaign"
Mr. White, depends on the individual. Some people do base their view on which side to support upon not wanting to be on the same side as Farage (whereas Tony Blair and Jeremy Corbyn are fine).
We've seen it on this site.
Got to say I won't vote for anything IDS is fronting.
One of my friends went from voting Green to voting for IDS due to some of the fantastic constituency work he has done.
Mr. White, depends on the individual. Some people do base their view on which side to support upon not wanting to be on the same side as Farage (whereas Tony Blair and Jeremy Corbyn are fine).
We've seen it on this site.
Got to say I won't vote for anything IDS is fronting.
IDS is trusted by more voters than Cameron. An amazing fact.
How can he be trusted on anything. This is his third go at trashing the Tories. Stabbed 2 PMs in the back and without doubt the worst leader ever. Of all the ludicrous claims made during this Referendum his that he resigned because of disability benefits was the most laughable.
Mr. White, depends on the individual. Some people do base their view on which side to support upon not wanting to be on the same side as Farage (whereas Tony Blair and Jeremy Corbyn are fine).
We've seen it on this site.
Got to say I won't vote for anything IDS is fronting.
IDS is trusted by more voters than Cameron. An amazing fact.
IDS was a terrible party leader, but that doesn't make him a terrible politician per se. And Osborne, up until now, has been quite an adept (i.e. devious) politician. But that doesnt mean I'd trust him to water my garden.
It is quite amusing to note how many of Leavers on here proudly announcing they have just used their postal votes to vote Leave are the same posters who in the past frequently whinge about postal voting and post that its use should be severely curtailed .
Well I'm in Greece on the 23rd, what would have me do, fly back to vote? Idiot.
A group of us meet regularly for a pint. All ABs runnibg their own businesses. I thought I'd be the only Leaver but we split 3-3. Same arguments as on PB; remainers worried about their wallets leavers worried on wider range of issues.
You mean you didn't watch Andrew Neil dismantle Lord Voldemort?
Huh? Farage is very definitely the Dark Lord. George is Snape.
Miss Jones, that's rather unappealing (I'd suggest raising it on Twitter, if you tweet, although with things febrile you might get some dung flung your way).
Your daughter, on the other hand, sounds like a sensible young lady. I blame her mother.
Yes, she is sensible. She is (or would be) a Leaver. As is my 10-year-old (who will shout "Yay! Vote Leave!" whenever we see a roadside sign. (Incidently, I have seen at least half a dozen Vote Leave placards around the town - Sevenoaks- where I live, and nothing for Remain. Not sure what that proves, if anything).
I don't tweet. But the text from the email is below (my daughter's name is Lucy, btw):
"Tonight leading Leave spokesperson Nigel Farage will be on ITV, unleashing his irresponsible lies and untruths about the EU.
Here are some of the things Nigel Farage has said over the years: •He described gay people as ‘fags' •He told women if they want to breastfeed, they should do it ‘in the corner’ •He said foreigners with HIV should not be treated on the NHS – and thinks our health service should be privatised anyway •He told supporters to ‘bully people’ into voting to leave Europe
Will you be bullied by Nigel Farage, Lucy? Donate today to take a stand against Farage and UKIP – and stop them dragging us out of Europe.
Tonight Farage will be on ITV, from 9pm, and we need everyone to get out there on Twitter and Facebook to fight back against his dangerous lies.
Because what he won’t mention tonight is that if we leave the EU, it’s hardworking British families that will be hit the hardest – with jobs lost, prices rising and our economy hit.
Lucy - we can’t let Farage win. Donate now and let’s take the fight to him, Michael Gove and Boris Johnson in this vital referendum."
Thank you, Lucy Thomas, Deputy Director Stronger IN Campaign"
Mr. Midwinter, well, that's up to you. I'd be uncomfortable allowing someone else to dictate my opinion, whether that's agreeing with them or simply assuming the opposite position.
Miss Jones, that, coupled with Osborne's Nigel Farage pub drinking game repetition, suggests Remain's new tactic is to bang endlessly on about him.
Ok, but what was your careful calm assessment of Osborne's performance and its effect?
It will have no effect whatsoever
But I thought he gave as good as he got. Compared to Hilary Benn it was a masterclass in dealing with Andrew Neil. I expect he is quite happy with it, as are others in my timeline (clearly I follow different people to Plato, although she regularly posts the same things I do...)
Being a fan of Osborne, can you explain to me how George trumpets the £4,300 figures which assume a migration rate close to 200,000 a year until 2030, and then claims the fewer than 100,000 a year promise by Dave is not a lie?
I know politicians tell porkies but holding two contradictory opinions at once suggests mental illness.
A clue ... The correct answer isn't "Farage is a racist, so there."
@JGForsyth: Unconfirmed rumours in Westminster tonight that @sarahwollaston is going to defect from Vote Leave tomorrow & criticise £350 million figure
The 200,000 annual immigrants assumed by the Treasury for their figures, vigorously promoted by George, was a hoot. I'm still waiting for Remain to explain. I suspect I shall wait forever. "It's that Farage, he's a racist, you know." Rinse and repeat.
It has always been the refuge of lefties that they cry "he's a racist". Tonight we had Osborne do the same. I thought -41% rating with conservative members was the bottom, but maybe there is room for a further drop?
Mr. White, depends on the individual. Some people do base their view on which side to support upon not wanting to be on the same side as Farage (whereas Tony Blair and Jeremy Corbyn are fine).
We've seen it on this site.
That's true, I don't. If Galloway talks sense on an issue I am with him. Seldom happens but there you go.
@JGForsyth: Unconfirmed rumours in Westminster tonight that @sarahwollaston is going to defect from Vote Leave tomorrow & criticise £350 million figure
Now, where are all the Brexiteers who were bigging her up as a potential future leader?
George Osborne is a much improved media performer and was brave of him to be interviewed by Andrew Neil. I suspected he would get torn to pieces over that Treasury report and he certainly was. The media are going to have a field day for years to come, as they have so much bullshit (sorry information) at their disposal.
Companies like Airbus are going to get absolutely p----d off with being a political football and this could have consequences regardless of the referendum.
VoteLeave now have the problem that they were most worried about, that Nigel Farage would be seen as the face of Leave. Will be interesting to see if this sticks.
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Basically anything Cameron does is bad. He's really a Lib Dem., Gove is God, they aren't racist whatever they say, if they lose it will be because the referendums unfair. And all remainers are rude and sneer at them. (Yes the lack of self perception is astonishing).
Occasionally you get a new special. Today's have included accusing the government of rigging the referendum by allowing people to register to vote( this is bad). Oh and now we are virtual high fiving each other on our ability to vote.
But, I take your broader point. No-one can truly do that.
Which clips will be run by the news, and themes picked up by the newspapers will be more important I guess.
And a bitch slap over not debating from Neil
That's why he hasn't gone up against Andrew Neil until now.
The only person's view I would be interested in would be someone totally detached from the issue - ie someone who doesn't live in the UK and hasn't seen any of the people or arguments beforehand.
We'll have to see it in the news to see if it moves anyone.
I think it's the undecided and very soft Remainers who'd be the most releveant (who are also registered and very likely to vote) but that's just me.
Indeed.
You exaggerated the claims for the economy, you promised people restrictions on immigration and failed, you promised Turkey would join and now you say it wont, "Why would the British people trust you?"
Going to be interesting to see how Farage and IDS stand up.
Mr Neil is having a good campaign.
It should lose salience once Boris, Andrea and Gisela get stuck in tomorrow (all of whom are sensible, but Boris really needs to get his tone and pitch right, and give the performance of his life)
Some people are squeamish about being on the same side as Farage (Blair may be the equivalent for the other side).
https://twitter.com/IsabelHardman/status/740617703296278528
Laura Kuenssberg
30m30 minutes ago
Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
Osborne looks v uncomfortable as he's shown clip of PM saying we'd be ok outside EU
Who said what would be worse that the first world war?
Do you want to be on the same side as George Osborne on June 23rd? #BBCDebate
A group of us meet regularly for a pint. All ABs runnibg their own businesses. I thought I'd be the only Leaver but we split 3-3. Same arguments as on PB; remainers worried about their wallets leavers worried on wider range of issues.
That said I was hoping for better punches from Andrew Neil.
My daughter isn't old enough to vote, but she did show me the email and comment that: "They don't give a single reason to vote In, they just make it sound like a way to get at Farage. It is a really important decision and they make it sound like it all comes down to how best to spite one man?!?".
Very poor.
Given that, the objective of the interviewee has to just be to get their message across. Osborne's over-riding message was that Leave = Risky - jobs lost, inflation up, interest rates up, mortgages up, pensioners worse off.
All he wants is for that to seep deeper into people's minds - hoping to tip some waverers - if not now then maybe as late as in the polling station.
Your daughter, on the other hand, sounds like a sensible young lady. I blame her mother.
We've seen it on this site.
Osborne was never going to answer the questions but Neill allowed himself to be shouted down. You can be evasive without being charmless but Osborne has still to learn this. Neill also allowed Osborne to ramble off with his prepared sound bites.
He had effective counter punches, but settled for a light touch on the cheek as Osborne furiously back-pedalled.
I don't like Osborne, so I'm probably biased, but if he was Pinocchio, his nose would have been scratching Neill's cheek.
The 200,000 annual immigrants assumed by the Treasury for their figures, vigorously promoted by George, was a hoot. I'm still waiting for Remain to explain. I suspect I shall wait forever. "It's that Farage, he's a racist, you know." Rinse and repeat.
98 percent of people who see it are likely to conclude that there is that non entity talking away and arguing with Mr Neil who has been on our tv sets for 40+ years and speaks with authority compared to that Osborne bloke who looks shifty, is a bit nasty and 3 out of 4 of us did not vote for his party a year ago.....
I am SHIOCKED to find the Brexiteers thought Osborne did badly.
How does this work? What do I do?
Yes, she is sensible. She is (or would be) a Leaver. As is my 10-year-old (who will shout "Yay! Vote Leave!" whenever we see a roadside sign. (Incidently, I have seen at least half a dozen Vote Leave placards around the town - Sevenoaks- where I live, and nothing for Remain. Not sure what that proves, if anything).
I don't tweet. But the text from the email is below (my daughter's name is Lucy, btw):
"Tonight leading Leave spokesperson Nigel Farage will be on ITV, unleashing his irresponsible lies and untruths about the EU.
Here are some of the things Nigel Farage has said over the years:
•He described gay people as ‘fags'
•He told women if they want to breastfeed, they should do it ‘in the corner’
•He said foreigners with HIV should not be treated on the NHS – and thinks our health service should be privatised anyway
•He told supporters to ‘bully people’ into voting to leave Europe
Will you be bullied by Nigel Farage, Lucy? Donate today to take a stand against Farage and UKIP – and stop them dragging us out of Europe.
Tonight Farage will be on ITV, from 9pm, and we need everyone to get out there on Twitter and Facebook to fight back against his dangerous lies.
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@MrHarryCole: Hear @sarahwollaston has quit @vote_leave and will be on the warpath tomorrow...
Of all the ludicrous claims made during this Referendum his that he resigned because of disability benefits was the most laughable.
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Ok, but what was your careful calm assessment of Osborne's performance and its effect?
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/740626216206651392
Mr. Midwinter, well, that's up to you. I'd be uncomfortable allowing someone else to dictate my opinion, whether that's agreeing with them or simply assuming the opposite position.
Miss Jones, that, coupled with Osborne's Nigel Farage pub drinking game repetition, suggests Remain's new tactic is to bang endlessly on about him.
But I thought he gave as good as he got. Compared to Hilary Benn it was a masterclass in dealing with Andrew Neil. I expect he is quite happy with it, as are others in my timeline (clearly I follow different people to Plato, although she regularly posts the same things I do...)
Looking forward to IDS
(innocent face)
Being a fan of Osborne, can you explain to me how George trumpets the £4,300 figures which assume a migration rate close to 200,000 a year until 2030, and then claims the fewer than 100,000 a year promise by Dave is not a lie?
I know politicians tell porkies but holding two contradictory opinions at once suggests mental illness.
A clue ... The correct answer isn't "Farage is a racist, so there."
https://twitter.com/EuroGuido/status/740626909835464704
@JGForsyth: Unconfirmed rumours in Westminster tonight that @sarahwollaston is going to defect from Vote Leave tomorrow & criticise £350 million figure
Companies like Airbus are going to get absolutely p----d off with being a political football and this could have consequences regardless of the referendum.
VoteLeave now have the problem that they were most worried about, that Nigel Farage would be seen as the face of Leave. Will be interesting to see if this sticks.
@MSmithsonPB: . @IsabelHardman Strangely Vote Leave is madly Tweeting that this was car crash for Osborne.
If by consensus you mean people who hate Osborne