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  • Overall, I think that was a disaster.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 8,522
    I think the Bernard Castle thing is what the Govt's critics will concentrate on.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 18,931
    Laura lining up a nice easy delivery..
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,389
    Oh lor.

    Je never regrette rien.
  • That response to Laura is a disaster in itself.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 42,953

    Its very weird look with him sitting at a table and the journalists having to come up to a mic.

    Our unelected PM :)
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556

    Overall, I think that was a disaster.

    So no scalp today then?
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    So this just boils down to whether you think they should have driven to Durham and then back again a fortnight later. Yawn.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 73,424
    He is now giving it the media twisting the story.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 18,931
    He has closed down all the potential questions with his statement. He has done well. It doesn't let Boris off the hook though.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 46,852
    Party of around ten drinking on the roadside terrace outside a local pub this afternoon.
    The Dom effect ?
  • glwglw Posts: 8,863
    edited May 2020
    Does anybody actually believe that he rationalised his actions as he has now described as the events happened?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 21,855
    Genuine pants-shitting comedy here. Multiple breeches of the basic regulations around not going back to work when your missus has symptoms. And not driving 260 miles. Not taking a 30 minute test drive to see if you can see well enough to drive.

    Number 10 attempting to Tunnel to Java. And Dom - "I have to take decisions like this every day". Wow. You're judgement is that shit and you say you are essential to the Downing Street operation
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,389
    Now he’s blaming the media.

    What a fool.

    Next he’ll be blaming Stephen Kinnock.

    It was not a complicated situation. It was a straightforward one that you got totally wrong.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 73,424
    edited May 2020
    He gives this statement Friday / Sat, steps down, this story would have been done and dusted by Sunday and the government would have been undamaged, and Big Dom would have been back in government by the end of the year.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 18,684
    glw said:

    Does anybody actually beleive that he rationalised his actions as he has now described as the events happened?

    100%
  • The word "sorry" might have helped.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 18,931
    Is Dom wearing one of Boris' big shirts?
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 1,449
    He returned to work on the 14th April being able to get childcare that he couldn’t on the 28/29th March?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 72,844

    He has closed down all the potential questions with his statement. He has done well. It doesn't let Boris off the hook though.

    He still needs to resign, he's breached quarantine.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    edited May 2020
    An extraordinary scene this, in the rose garden.
  • I'm not really sure the argument that he thought he showed good judgement is going to help the fact millions of people did not do the same. Seems like a kick in the teeth to me.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103
    "I think I behaved reasonably"

    So, the story rolls on.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 106,921
    Benidorm and Ibiza back on this summer.

    The Spanish government says no quarantine for foreign tourists from July 1st

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52800611
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 35,785
    edited May 2020

    This explanation would have worked if it had been given immediately along with a bit of contrition, perhaps.

    but then we wouldn't have had the big screen outside his house, the absolute nadir of this crisis so far.
    I hope you're referring to the 'crisis' of the PM's chief advisor being revealed to be a self-entitled, law breaking, arrogant prick rather than the crisis of tens of thousands of people dying of Covid-19?
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556

    He gives this statement Friday / Sat, steps down, this story would have been done and dusted by Sunday and the government would have been undamaged, and Big Dom would have been back in government by the end of the year.

    Why gives his opponents the satisfaction?

    Now they can just get stuffed with extreme prejudice :smile:
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 20,365

    The word "sorry" might have helped.

    Even if he wasn't sorry? I prefer honesty.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 59,843
    *cough*Manzikert*cough*

    Lovely present for Starmer, though.
  • eadric said:

    The word "sorry" might have helped.

    He said sorry earlier on
    He did not say sorry for breaking the rules.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 42,953

    So this just boils down to whether you think they should have driven to Durham and then back again a fortnight later. Yawn.

    STAY HOME
    PROTECT THE NHS
    SAVE LIVES
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 19,900
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 3,211
    This would work as a halfway effective response to an interrogation by Durham Constabulary.

    It will do nothing to reconcile the public to Cummings and Johnson. No one, but no one, is going to have their minds changed by this.

    So why's he doing it?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 29,266
    edited May 2020
    How does this compare with Mrs C's account as published? Can we believe that he hasn't been tested?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 19,674
    Why wasnt he tested?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,389
    Even Peston tripping him up now.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 18,931

    The word "sorry" might have helped.

    He is an absolute pro with this interview compared to Boris' calamity yesterday.

    He is clearly a bastard but I am not wholly unimpressed.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850

    So this just boils down to whether you think they should have driven to Durham and then back again a fortnight later. Yawn.

    STAY HOME
    PROTECT THE NHS
    SAVE LIVES
    But there is room for discretion is there not? That's s slogan, sure, you try to follow it as far as at all possible.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    Maybe Cummings really is The Master after all... :wink:
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 42,953
    eadric said:

    The word "sorry" might have helped.

    He said sorry earlier on
    He said he was sorry for being late. And gave no reason for his tardiness...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 20,365
    I bet this press conference doesn't change many minds. All the people who detested Cummings before will continue to do so, and those who like him will continue to do so.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Not sure this is the BBC breaking news headline the government was hoping for:

    https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1264947585476964352?s=20
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 73,424
    edited May 2020

    Why wasnt he tested?

    At the time, do you remember the media outrage that "privileged" people like Prince Charles got tested that weren't in the specific category.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,566
    Enough to hang on. Not enough to satisfy his critics, even those criticising in good faith rather than for partisan reasons.
  • https://twitter.com/JGForsyth/status/1264947907217821696

    The car thing sounds like nonsense to me
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 55,337
    edited May 2020

    Overall, I think that was a disaster.

    I do not.

    I think he came over as reasonable and contrite and many will wonder why he is such a bogey man

    I blame Boris for his dreadful presentation last night for making it worse, much worse, and why I believe Boris needs to go on paternity leave

    Some things have been revealed that t needed clarification including the police did not consider any further action was required, the guardian and mirror falsely accused him of a second visit, he explained his visit to Barnard Castle , and Boris was not told initially
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,389
    In fairness, Piers wouldn’t be convinced by anything. He even tried to deny the forgeries at the Mirror after he’d been sacked.

    But you can’t blame him for suggesting this hasn’t quite cut it.
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    eadric said:

    The word "sorry" might have helped.

    He said sorry earlier on
    That was for being late!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 18,931
    ydoethur said:

    Even Peston tripping him up now.

    Pesto far more probing than the lovely Laura was.
  • glwglw Posts: 8,863

    Why wasnt he tested?

    At the time, do you remember the media outrage that "privileged" people like Prince Charles got tested that weren't in the specific category.
    I don't understand why he wasn't tested, he'd been around a lot of people who got it, so a test would have been justified.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 18,931
    Load of shite questioning from Beth. Useless.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 18,684
    @Big_G_NorthWales are you really buying this nonsense about driving to Barnard Castle to test his eyesight, which as you know, is also a breach of the rules, and has nothing to do with his kid.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,963

    Why wasnt he tested?

    At the time, do you remember the media outrage that "privileged" people like Prince Charles got tested that weren't in the specific category.
    Indeed.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 73,424
    edited May 2020
    It is a good point. He must have known this would come out, given the neighbours must have known he wasn't there for 2 weeks, the plod visit and the trip to the hospital. If they had got out in front of this, given a statement, probably far less of an issue.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 42,953

    So this just boils down to whether you think they should have driven to Durham and then back again a fortnight later. Yawn.

    STAY HOME
    PROTECT THE NHS
    SAVE LIVES
    But there is room for discretion is there not? That's s slogan, sure, you try to follow it as far as at all possible.
    "Do as I say, not as I do!"
  • Survives for what?

    For goodness sake he broke the rules and admitted to it!
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    It's a non story.

    Now - let's get the economy restarted and the pubs open!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,389

    Overall, I think that was a disaster.

    I do not.

    I think he came over as reasonable and contrite and many will wonder why he is such a bogey man

    I blame Boris for his dreadful presentation last night for making it worse, much worse, and why I believe Boris needs to go on paternity leave

    Some things have been revealed that t needed clarification including the police did not consider any further action was required, the guardian and mirror falsely accused him of a second visit, he explained his visit to Barnard Castle , and Boris was not told initially
    Unfortunately his explanation doesn’t cut it.

    It should do, actually, because there is no good reason to stop people driving around in closed groups. But his own government’s rules did prohibit it. It was not exercise nor was it shopping.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 4,507
    Any reasonable parent who was worried about his eyesight would certainly bundle their 4-year-old into a car and go for a 30 mile drive in the country.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    Do we know that the "public mood" is on this? Media keep referring to it, does anyone give a toss other than Twitter, really, let's be honest?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103
    Go Beth!!!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 42,390
    Beth being predictably shrill, asking him when he stopped beating his wife.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 72,844
    The guidance around small children is for lockdown not quarantine. Or do people not give a shit about the difference ?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 8,522
    edited May 2020
    To me it just sounded like he prepared a statement to fit the available evidence justifying his actions ex-post facto. The bit about going to Barnard Castle to see if he felt well enough to go back was especially unconvincing..
  • He might have got away with it, without that ridiculous statement on driving 30 miles to test his eyesight, with his CHILD in the car
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 73,424
    edited May 2020
    glw said:

    Why wasnt he tested?

    At the time, do you remember the media outrage that "privileged" people like Prince Charles got tested that weren't in the specific category.
    I don't understand why he wasn't tested, he'd been around a lot of people who got it, so a test would have been justified.
    I don't understand why all the major players in government weren't been tested daily tbh. No reasonable person really thought what Boris jumped the queue on testing, outrageous.

    The behaviour of lots of world leaders is baffling to me on this. Not just Trump or Boris, but Merkel got exposed, Trudeau got exposed.
  • Why wasnt he tested?

    Not seeking to get tested and then going to a place where medical assistance in case of an urgent emergency would be much further away than in his home in Islington seems a little bit irresposnsible, doesn't it?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 48,933
    eadric said:

    The word "sorry" might have helped.

    He said sorry earlier on
    He should have said sorry on Friday.

    He, and the government, have two unenviable choices:

    1. Allow "the mob" to get Cummings scalp, and he resigns.

    2. Allow the story to run on for days (or perhaps even weeks) as CCTV footage is unearthed showing the Cummings family in a service station

    I suspect they'll go for (2). And I suspect they'll regret it. They'll have managed to avoid looking weak, but at the expense of pissing off a lot of moderate Tories. The "one rule of them, another for us" meme will not be easily dispelled.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 18,931
    eadric said:

    The stammering is a good look. Makes him appear hesitant but sincere, a little emotional

    Laurence Olivier lives!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,389
    Ave_it said:

    It's a non story.

    Now - let's get the economy restarted and the pubs open!

    Especially in Barnard Castle.
  • eadric said:

    Overall, I think that was a disaster.

    I do not.

    I think he came over as reasonable and contrite and many will wonder why he is such a bogey man

    I blame Boris for his dreadful presentation last night for making it worse, much worse, and why I believe Boris needs to go on paternity leave

    Some things have been revealed that t needed clarification including the police did not consider any further action was required, the guardian and mirror falsely accused him of a second visit, he explained his visit to Barnard Castle , and Boris was not told initially
    Also his kid went to hospital. May not be relevant, but will generate sympathy
    Again, is he unique? No.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,963

    It is a good point. He must have known this would come out, given the neighbours must have known he wasn't there for 2 weeks, the

    plod visit and the trip to the hospital. If they had got out in front of this, given a statement, probably far less
    of an issue.
    It’s a balance. One might argue that it’s pretty unfair that he’s had to disclose that his son went to hospital.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,566
    Anyway, back to my afternoon task of repairing a brick path...
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 20,029
    The lack of experience in press conferences is very visible - he read off the prepared statement without a hitch, but is stumbling badly with fairly predictable questions.

    To be fair the statement sounded quite plausible, but I think the repeated refusal to apologise is a fatal flaw.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 19,900
    He should still resign.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 37,899
    Even I am feeling sorry for him, it is a public flogging. Excruciating to listen to.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 105,295

    Anyway, back to my afternoon task of repairing a brick path...

    Tsk Richard, you didn't furlough the staff did you?
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    edited May 2020

    Do we know that the "public mood" is on this? Media keep referring to it, does anyone give a toss other than Twitter, really, let's be honest?

    Almost certainly not. You can feel the fading of the embers and the evaporation of the froth with every passing minute...
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 4,930
    ydoethur said:

    In fairness, Piers wouldn’t be convinced by anything. He even tried to deny the forgeries at the Mirror after he’d been sacked.

    But you can’t blame him for suggesting this hasn’t quite cut it.
    Piers is all wind and piss jumping on any bandwagon that keeps him in the spotlight.
  • OldBasingOldBasing Posts: 92
    All this driving around to/from and around County Durham from London. Didn’t he stop anywhere for fuel?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 105,295
    edited May 2020
    My father has said by his reckoning Cummings has broken quarantine (not just lockdown) at least three times. That's utterly criminal from a public health point of view.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 42,953
    Ave_it said:

    It's a non story.

    Now - let's get the economy restarted and the pubs open!

    You plebs can go to the pub!

    I just want to feel safe enough to be able to complete my conquest of ScotRail by doing those last two trains west and north of Inverness. :)
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    Irrespective of the coronavirus restrictions, driving with impaired eyesight and driving while so ill that you could barely walk are offences in themselves.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 9,041
    So, essentially, what do we know now that we didn't know half an hour ago, except that he went back to Downing Street after being with his wife who was showing symptoms, and that he himself was still showing symptoms when he drove to Barnard Castle?
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 3,211

    He might have got away with it, without that ridiculous statement on driving 30 miles to test his eyesight, with his CHILD in the car

    That's brilliant, isn't it? Go for a drive to see whether or not you're fit to drive?

    "Sir, can I ask you to breathe into this bag, please?"

    "Well, offisher, I'd thought I'd just drive for 30 milesh to see if I'm drunk."
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 106,921
    eadric said:

    Overall, I think that was a disaster.

    I do not.

    I think he came over as reasonable and contrite and many will wonder why he is such a bogey man

    I blame Boris for his dreadful presentation last night for making it worse, much worse, and why I believe Boris needs to go on paternity leave

    Some things have been revealed that t needed clarification including the police did not consider any further action was required, the guardian and mirror falsely accused him of a second visit, he explained his visit to Barnard Castle , and Boris was not told initially
    Also his kid went to hospital. May not be relevant, but will generate sympathy
    The problem is he has not apologised, yes there were difficult circumstances with his child etc but that is what viewers will have looked for at least even if he stays
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    That was a reasonable explanation which is what the law asks for. Same rule for everyone.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 8,522

    Do we know that the "public mood" is on this? Media keep referring to it, does anyone give a toss other than Twitter, really, let's be honest?

    And the Mail Online comments section. And the thousands of people writing to their Tory MPs. Yeah - we know what the public mood is.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 18,931
    Go Gary!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,389
    rpjs said:

    Irrespective of the coronavirus restrictions, driving with impaired eyesight and driving while so ill that you could barely walk are offences in themselves.

    Indeed.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 46,852

    Enough to hang on. Not enough to satisfy his critics, even those criticising in good faith rather than for partisan reasons.

    Indeed.
    And the account might have been a great deal more convincing if it hadn’t taken days to emerge (see the ‘lawyered‘ comments above).

    Why could this not have all been said when the story first broke, rather than waiting - and then blaming the press for their speculation ?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 48,933

    Do we know that the "public mood" is on this? Media keep referring to it, does anyone give a toss other than Twitter, really, let's be honest?

    Almost certainly not. You can feel the fading of the embers and the evaporation of the froth with every passing minute...
    Guys: when people like @MaxPB - no Corbyn loving Remoaner - are talking about tearing up their Conservative membership cards over this, then you have to recognise that at least some people who voted Tory last time around are not particularly happy about this.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Ave_it said:

    It's a non story.

    Now - let's get the economy restarted and the pubs open!

    You plebs can go to the pub!

    I just want to feel safe enough to be able to complete my conquest of ScotRail by doing those last two trains west and north of Inverness. :)
    Strong call Sunil - I have done both the lines, both are well worth doing and each offer spectacular but quite contrasting views. You should be able to go in July - do it.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 18,684

    That was a reasonable explanation which is what the law asks for. Same rule for everyone.

    What was the “reasonable” explanation for making a pleasure drive to Barnard Castle?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 15,121

    My father has said by his reckoning Cummings has broken quarantine (not just lockdown) at least three times. That's utterly criminal from a public health point of view.

    There are two halves to that claim.

    One is whether there was significant risk to others, which has not been convincingly established.

    The other is to do with public perception, on which Cummings has just attempted to skewer media reporting.

    We 'll see how it plays.
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