From the BBC: "Americans are being warned to be wary of hungry rats who have become angry due to a lack of their usual restaurant food to feast on during the coronavirus lockdown. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said there had been "reports of unusual or aggressive rodent behaviour" due to a decrease in food available, "especially in dense commercial areas"."
Scottish Conservatives FAIL to defend Scotland against pandemic! With his personal trust rating, in YouGov’s January poll, at only 8% and support for his party leader’s Coronavirus unlocking strategy at only 9% in May, Jackson Carlaw must now deal with two damning exposures of how his party’s handling of the crisis has clearly brought the deadly virus to Scotland in the early days of the outbreak. https://talkingupscotlandtwo.com/2020/05/23/scottish-conservatives-fail-to-defend-scotland-against-pandemic/
Last time I checked the Tories weren't in power in Scotland.
If you read the article, it's about control of borders - in which respect, the Tories were and still are in power in Scotland.
Scottish Conservatives FAIL to defend Scotland against pandemic! With his personal trust rating, in YouGov’s January poll, at only 8% and support for his party leader’s Coronavirus unlocking strategy at only 9% in May, Jackson Carlaw must now deal with two damning exposures of how his party’s handling of the crisis has clearly brought the deadly virus to Scotland in the early days of the outbreak. https://talkingupscotlandtwo.com/2020/05/23/scottish-conservatives-fail-to-defend-scotland-against-pandemic/
Last time I checked the Tories weren't in power in Scotland.
They did not put on the Nike conference in Edinburgh, Scotlands ground zero
I reckon they’ll be no sacking, Dom wont resign, and there will no cabinet resignations either. The story will rumble on, and Labour will be rubbing their hands together with glee.
Bozo will announce an enquiry and Cummings will stand aside until it’s finished. He’ll hope the public will get bored and then won’t be that bothered when Mark Sedwill fudges that which allows Cummings to return .
I've not been following the site today. Am I reading right now that the story is that Cummings has made multiple trips?
If so he should go.
I was willing yesterday to give the benefit of the doubt if it was for the welfare of a three year old. As a father of a three year old myself their safety must always come first.
However multiple trips without reasonable reasons is simply inexcusable if true.
I hope that's clear enough.
That's fine. But we do need to hear a heartfelt "sorry" from you. You lost some dignity with all the nonsense yesterday. An apology would go some way to restoring it.
Not at all.
I was responding to the facts at the time. If the facts are that a father was looking after a three year old then I will never object to that. Children come before politics.
If the facts are that there have been multiple trips then that wasn't something I knew yesterday and doesn't change what I said one iota.
When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?
In a frenzy of partisanship you placed your brain in a jar and swallowed whole the risible transformation of, 'He chose to self-isolate in more amenable surroundings' into, 'Fearing for welfare of small child, he acted as any father would' - and thus lost dignity.
It was sad to see.
Not at all. I never said that. I said that if he's done what he's done thinking it's in the best interests of his child then that's reasonable. I also said (as I've said all along) that every adult, every parent, must think for themselves.
I never said all father's would do the same thing that's ludicrous and doesn't match my philosophy of believing everyone is an individual who can act differently so why would I say that? That would be completely out of character. I don't believe in one size fits all solutions.
You swallowed it, is the point. And in doing so looked less the free-thinking, socially liberal, libertarian with a hankering for England My England, and rather more the slavishly partisan supporter of this Boris Johnson Conservative Government.
Gives me no pleasure to say this, Philip, but I'm afraid it's true. I know you won't apologize on here but I do hope you reflect.
Find a single instance of me criticising anyone for parenting and you'd have a point.
It is a liberal philosophy to believe everyone can make their own choices in good faith for their own children.
Just typing random words now.
Which is fine so long as you are at the same time reflecting - as requested.
They've come to an arrangement I guess where BoJo will announce his departure this evening.....
The problem is now with Boris is that he's swimming with the sharks (his colleagues) without any protection....
To be honest Tyson if Cummings goes I am not concerned about how Boris fares
He has either to step up to the plate or take paternity leave
G, when is he ever at work, of all the meetings we have seen over the months he has been at a handful, he is a lazy git and leaves it to his lapdogs so he can try to blame them rather than himself. No UK leadership on show at all at present.
I'm currently translating new German legislation (some people have fun Sundays, y'know) which is quite interesting - they are envisaging the possibility of Covid medicines becoming available but difficult to produce in sufficient quantities, so the legislation gives the authorities to exempt both domestic and foreign pharmaceutical compsanies from all the usual requirements for production (GMP, package leaflet, labelling) and to waive their product liability for Covid products.
What does 'waive product liability' mean ?
Does it mean no responsibility for side effects ?
Presumably, yes
The UK has a scheme for no-faulty compensation paid by the state in vaccine damage cases:
Only applies to a list of named vaccines, not including Covid-19 vaccines. I wonder whether this will be added to the list.
Given that I'm not in a high risk group and that I've likely already had covid I would be in no hurry to take such a vaccine. And certainly not if its not been fully tested and/or without some promise of compensation for resulting problems.
I don't mind other people doing their bit to achieve herd immunity though
Boris is surely going to play the ultimate 'wind out of their sails' car and announce (with a heavy heart) that he's sacked Cummings. But he'll want to re-seize the moral high ground quickly. There'll be plenty of talk of 'the career of a fine family fan' that was 'laid waste by the baying mob'.
Bozo will announce an enquiry and Cummings will stand aside until it’s finished. He’ll hope the public will get bored and then won’t be that bothered when Mark Sedwill fudges that which allows Cummings to return .
I reckon they’ll be no sacking, Dom wont resign, and there will no cabinet resignations either. The story will rumble on, and Labour will be rubbing their hands together with glee.
That is the best outcome for Labour without a shadow of a doubt...Cummings stays.........
That is why I am convinced Cummings will be lightly toasted at 5.00- only to re-emerge again in 6 months after he's had a Berlusconi hair transplant....
Scottish Conservatives FAIL to defend Scotland against pandemic! With his personal trust rating, in YouGov’s January poll, at only 8% and support for his party leader’s Coronavirus unlocking strategy at only 9% in May, Jackson Carlaw must now deal with two damning exposures of how his party’s handling of the crisis has clearly brought the deadly virus to Scotland in the early days of the outbreak. https://talkingupscotlandtwo.com/2020/05/23/scottish-conservatives-fail-to-defend-scotland-against-pandemic/
Last time I checked the Tories weren't in power in Scotland.
They run Scotland , I am sure you know the Tories run the UK Rob. Nice joke though.
I assume Boris has had a heart to heart with Cummings this afternoon to establish the facts. I think Cummings won't feel he has to lie but will take a "back me or sack me" line. I think Boris will sack him (for the time being).
They've come to an arrangement I guess where BoJo will announce his departure this evening.....
The problem is now with Boris is that he's swimming with the sharks (his colleagues) without any protection....
To be honest Tyson if Cummings goes I am not concerned about how Boris fares
He has either to step up to the plate or take paternity leave
G, when is he ever at work, of all the meetings we have seen over the months he has been at a handful, he is a lazy git and leaves it to his lapdogs so he can try to blame them rather than himself. No UK leadership on show at all at present.
Your last sentence is correct and 5.00pm tonight will be a bigger moment for Boris than Cummings.
He has to sack him or have a cast iron reason for not doing so
I've not been following the site today. Am I reading right now that the story is that Cummings has made multiple trips?
If so he should go.
I was willing yesterday to give the benefit of the doubt if it was for the welfare of a three year old. As a father of a three year old myself their safety must always come first.
However multiple trips without reasonable reasons is simply inexcusable if true.
I hope that's clear enough.
That's fine. But we do need to hear a heartfelt "sorry" from you. You lost some dignity with all the nonsense yesterday. An apology would go some way to restoring it.
Not at all.
I was responding to the facts at the time. If the facts are that a father was looking after a three year old then I will never object to that. Children come before politics.
If the facts are that there have been multiple trips then that wasn't something I knew yesterday and doesn't change what I said one iota.
When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?
In a frenzy of partisanship you placed your brain in a jar and swallowed whole the risible transformation of, 'He chose to self-isolate in more amenable surroundings' into, 'Fearing for welfare of small child, he acted as any father would' - and thus lost dignity.
It was sad to see.
Not at all. I never said that. I said that if he's done what he's done thinking it's in the best interests of his child then that's reasonable. I also said (as I've said all along) that every adult, every parent, must think for themselves.
I never said all father's would do the same thing that's ludicrous and doesn't match my philosophy of believing everyone is an individual who can act differently so why would I say that? That would be completely out of character. I don't believe in one size fits all solutions.
You swallowed it, is the point. And in doing so looked less the free-thinking, socially liberal, libertarian with a hankering for England My England, and rather more the slavishly partisan supporter of this Boris Johnson Conservative Government.
Gives me no pleasure to say this, Philip, but I'm afraid it's true. I know you won't apologize on here but I do hope you reflect.
Find a single instance of me criticising anyone for parenting and you'd have a point.
It is a liberal philosophy to believe everyone can make their own choices in good faith for their own children.
I'd love to know what Dom's and BoJo's deal is....after all BoJo has the moral scruples of of Fred West and would throw his child under a train to save his skin...
The only thing that BoJo is loyal to is BoJo....so keeping on Dom suggests something is amiss at Number 10....
I agree with you Tyson ... it's very, very strange. Do we know if Cummings is still at No.10, if so discussing what I wonder? If a deal is done between Boris and DC for him to stay on, can we expect Cabinet resignation(s) tonight or tomorrow?
By the arse licking lickspittles that make up the cabinet, don't be silly there is not a backbone between them.
Boris is surely going to play the ultimate 'wind out of their sails' car and announce (with a heavy heart) that he's sacked Cummings. But he'll want to re-seize the moral high ground quickly. There'll be plenty of talk of 'the career of a fine family fan' that was 'laid waste by the baying mob'.
That could JUST the right move. I see the logic. Yet my sense is still that he does not go. Finding this hard to call.
Bozo will announce an enquiry and Cummings will stand aside until it’s finished. He’ll hope the public will get bored and then won’t be that bothered when Mark Sedwill fudges that which allows Cummings to return .
Scottish Conservatives FAIL to defend Scotland against pandemic! With his personal trust rating, in YouGov’s January poll, at only 8% and support for his party leader’s Coronavirus unlocking strategy at only 9% in May, Jackson Carlaw must now deal with two damning exposures of how his party’s handling of the crisis has clearly brought the deadly virus to Scotland in the early days of the outbreak. https://talkingupscotlandtwo.com/2020/05/23/scottish-conservatives-fail-to-defend-scotland-against-pandemic/
Last time I checked the Tories weren't in power in Scotland.
If you read the article, it's about control of borders - in which respect, the Tories were and still are in power in Scotland.
We were actually meant to read it not just laugh at the title?
Bozo will announce an enquiry and Cummings will stand aside until it’s finished. He’ll hope the public will get bored and then won’t be that bothered when Mark Sedwill fudges that which allows Cummings to return .
I agree, it will be an enquiry.
You may be right but I'm not convinced that will satisfy the masses and what the heck will the enquiry actually investigate?
Boris is surely going to play the ultimate 'wind out of their sails' car and announce (with a heavy heart) that he's sacked Cummings. But he'll want to re-seize the moral high ground quickly. There'll be plenty of talk of 'the career of a fine family fan' that was 'laid waste by the baying mob'.
A baying mob of blue-rinse Tory grannies furious they haven't seen their children and their bairns for months?
Bozo will announce an enquiry and Cummings will stand aside until it’s finished. He’ll hope the public will get bored and then won’t be that bothered when Mark Sedwill fudges that which allows Cummings to return .
Scottish Conservatives FAIL to defend Scotland against pandemic! With his personal trust rating, in YouGov’s January poll, at only 8% and support for his party leader’s Coronavirus unlocking strategy at only 9% in May, Jackson Carlaw must now deal with two damning exposures of how his party’s handling of the crisis has clearly brought the deadly virus to Scotland in the early days of the outbreak. https://talkingupscotlandtwo.com/2020/05/23/scottish-conservatives-fail-to-defend-scotland-against-pandemic/
Last time I checked the Tories weren't in power in Scotland.
They run Scotland , I am sure you know the Tories run the UK Rob. Nice joke though.
Bozo will announce an enquiry and Cummings will stand aside until it’s finished. He’ll hope the public will get bored and then won’t be that bothered when Mark Sedwill fudges that which allows Cummings to return .
I agree, it will be an enquiry.
That would be neat - disadvantage is it appears to be what Labour asked for, although I suppose they asked for a perriwigged law Lords Salem witchtrial type affair.
I assume Boris has had a heart to heart with Cummings this afternoon to establish the facts. I think Cummings won't feel he has to lie but will take a "back me or sack me" line. I think Boris will sack him (for the time being).
Establish the facts? Boris knew what Dom was up to and when...of course he did... What they need to establish is how they dig their way out of this monumental shitshow with their bare hands.....
It seems a no brainer that Dom walks....but I just think Boris is just too dependant on having him in the room when he deals with the colleagues (like all of them) that he doesn't trust...
Scottish Conservatives FAIL to defend Scotland against pandemic! With his personal trust rating, in YouGov’s January poll, at only 8% and support for his party leader’s Coronavirus unlocking strategy at only 9% in May, Jackson Carlaw must now deal with two damning exposures of how his party’s handling of the crisis has clearly brought the deadly virus to Scotland in the early days of the outbreak. https://talkingupscotlandtwo.com/2020/05/23/scottish-conservatives-fail-to-defend-scotland-against-pandemic/
Last time I checked the Tories weren't in power in Scotland.
They run Scotland , I am sure you know the Tories run the UK Rob. Nice joke though.
The piteous cries for 'kindness and tolerance' for a 'man and his family for decisions taken at a time of great stress and worry' are a sight to behold. Cumming's whole career as evidenced by his recent public performances has been based on him being a cnut, and he gave every sign of revelling in it when he was top dog.
It's been a while since I have read the Sermon on the Mount, but don't think the idea behind 'kindness' or 'tolerance' is that we're kind or tolerant just to the people who deserve it.
Virtue without terror is powerless so fuck kindness, fuck tolerance and fuck the Islington Baldrick.
You want to terrorise toddlers?
Ooh you're such a big man ...
I think the van is out of order but "terrorising toddlers"? Really, Don't be so ridiculous. It's pitiful
From the BBC: "Americans are being warned to be wary of hungry rats who have become angry due to a lack of their usual restaurant food to feast on during the coronavirus lockdown. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said there had been "reports of unusual or aggressive rodent behaviour" due to a decrease in food available, "especially in dense commercial areas"."
Scottish Conservatives FAIL to defend Scotland against pandemic! With his personal trust rating, in YouGov’s January poll, at only 8% and support for his party leader’s Coronavirus unlocking strategy at only 9% in May, Jackson Carlaw must now deal with two damning exposures of how his party’s handling of the crisis has clearly brought the deadly virus to Scotland in the early days of the outbreak. https://talkingupscotlandtwo.com/2020/05/23/scottish-conservatives-fail-to-defend-scotland-against-pandemic/
Last time I checked the Tories weren't in power in Scotland.
They run Scotland , I am sure you know the Tories run the UK Rob. Nice joke though.
LOL. And what is Sturgeon doing?
And there, in a nutshell, is the problem with devolution. Independence or Federalism are the only two realistic options. Don’t care which, but this sort of argument on a such a basic constitutional question, on an intelligent message board at that, sums up a lot.
Bozo will announce an enquiry and Cummings will stand aside until it’s finished. He’ll hope the public will get bored and then won’t be that bothered when Mark Sedwill fudges that which allows Cummings to return .
I agree, it will be an enquiry.
You may be right but I'm not convinced that will satisfy the masses and what the heck will the enquiry actually investigate?
Whether the law was broken. Which means it would have to express a view on whether the legislation was a heap of ill-considered shite or not. Awkward.
Scottish Conservatives FAIL to defend Scotland against pandemic! With his personal trust rating, in YouGov’s January poll, at only 8% and support for his party leader’s Coronavirus unlocking strategy at only 9% in May, Jackson Carlaw must now deal with two damning exposures of how his party’s handling of the crisis has clearly brought the deadly virus to Scotland in the early days of the outbreak. https://talkingupscotlandtwo.com/2020/05/23/scottish-conservatives-fail-to-defend-scotland-against-pandemic/
Last time I checked the Tories weren't in power in Scotland.
They run Scotland , I am sure you know the Tories run the UK Rob. Nice joke though.
LOL. And what is Sturgeon doing?
Her best despite the best efforts of Boris , Westminster, the odious Scottish Office, 77 Brigade and the EBC state propaganda unit
Bozo will announce an enquiry and Cummings will stand aside until it’s finished. He’ll hope the public will get bored and then won’t be that bothered when Mark Sedwill fudges that which allows Cummings to return .
You must be Dominic Cummings! Nice scam! Respect!
Lmao ! That course of action looks to mitigate the damage , it should have been done yesterday but it’s what I’d do if I was Bozo.
The fact the PM is doing the press briefing suggests a course of action is going to happen which shows him “ taking back control “ !
I personally can’t stand Cummings but I don’t see him being shown the door , more a way found that makes Bozo look good but also allows Cummings to stay in the wings waiting to return .
Scottish Conservatives FAIL to defend Scotland against pandemic! With his personal trust rating, in YouGov’s January poll, at only 8% and support for his party leader’s Coronavirus unlocking strategy at only 9% in May, Jackson Carlaw must now deal with two damning exposures of how his party’s handling of the crisis has clearly brought the deadly virus to Scotland in the early days of the outbreak. https://talkingupscotlandtwo.com/2020/05/23/scottish-conservatives-fail-to-defend-scotland-against-pandemic/
Last time I checked the Tories weren't in power in Scotland.
They run Scotland , I am sure you know the Tories run the UK Rob. Nice joke though.
LOL. And what is Sturgeon doing?
And there, in a nutshell, is the problem with devolution. Independence or Federalism are the only two realistic options. Don’t care which, but this sort of argument on a such a basic constitutional question, on an intelligent message board at that, sums up a lot.
Power devolved is power retained, we are still a colony.
Bozo will announce an enquiry and Cummings will stand aside until it’s finished. He’ll hope the public will get bored and then won’t be that bothered when Mark Sedwill fudges that which allows Cummings to return .
You must be Dominic Cummings! Nice scam! Respect!
Lmao ! That course of action looks to mitigate the damage , it should have been done yesterday but it’s what I’d do if I was Bozo.
The fact the PM is doing the press briefing suggests a course of action is going to happen which shows him “ taking back control “ !
I personally can’t stand Cummings but I don’t see him being shown the door , more a way found that makes Bozo look good but also allows Cummings to stay in the wings waiting to return .
PB Tories calling out the hounding of Cummings is a noble thing to do, except they've never called out hounding of MPs on the other side.
Yes we have.
Also, Cummings is a civil servant, a member of staff not an elected politician.
When?
Personally, right back to Gordon Brown when he was PM, and Damien McBride was his media henchman who became the story.
I don't ever recall such harassment of a civil servant as we've seen in the last couple of days though.
Cummings is in reality much more political than civil. I don't think he'd wish to be thought anything else. But of course he shouldn't be harassed personally and picketing someone's home is always repulsive.
Repulsive is very very generous- this is a culture war with the Puritains trying to burn their self anointed witch.
Horrible narrow minded people.
Scum actually.
Up pops Harry now he's got something to use to try to deflect from Cumming's misdeeds. All fake outrage because a van parks outside the Cummings household, straw clutching at its finest
Bozo will announce an enquiry and Cummings will stand aside until it’s finished. He’ll hope the public will get bored and then won’t be that bothered when Mark Sedwill fudges that which allows Cummings to return .
You must be Dominic Cummings! Nice scam! Respect!
Lmao ! That course of action looks to mitigate the damage , it should have been done yesterday but it’s what I’d do if I was Bozo.
The fact the PM is doing the press briefing suggests a course of action is going to happen which shows him “ taking back control “ !
I personally can’t stand Cummings but I don’t see him being shown the door , more a way found that makes Bozo look good but also allows Cummings to stay in the wings waiting to return .
That's where I am. As long as Betfair pays up on Cummings not being in the job on 1st June.
Don't you ever be sad Lean on me, when the rules are bad When the day comes and you're locked down With public opinion about to frown
Just hold on, I'm Cummings Hold on, Dom Cummings
I'm on my way, to Durham If you get the virus, I won't give a damn! Don't worry about the rules, 'cause I'm here No need for contrition, 'cause I'm here
Just hold on, I'm Cummings Hold on, Dom Cummings Hold on, I'm Cummings Hold on, Dom Cummings
Reach out to me for special advice, yeah Call my name, yeah, and pay the price Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah!
Don't you ever be sad Lean on me, when the rules are bad When the day comes and you're locked down With public opinion about to frown
Just hold on, I'm Cummings Hold on, Dom Cummings
I'm on my way, to Durham If you get the virus, I won't give a damn! Don't worry about the rules, 'cause I'm here No need for contrition, 'cause I'm here
Just hold on, I'm Cummings Hold on, Dom Cummings Hold on, I'm Cummings Hold on, Dom Cummings
Reach out to me for special advice, yeah Call my name, yeah, and pay the price Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah!
It certainly won't be Roger Whittaker's, 'I'm going to leave old Durham Town'!
Bozo will announce an enquiry and Cummings will stand aside until it’s finished. He’ll hope the public will get bored and then won’t be that bothered when Mark Sedwill fudges that which allows Cummings to return .
I agree, it will be an enquiry.
You may be right but I'm not convinced that will satisfy the masses and what the heck will the enquiry actually investigate?
Absolutely. The obvious follow-up question is "What do you have to say to families who have had a terrible time in lockdown, who have followed the rules scrupulously and haven't had the resources or bolt hole that Mr Cummings has used?"
And I don't know what the answer is then. But he's the PM, so he can hardly duck the question either.
In fact, given that the live format really doesn't suit him, he needs a helluva rabbit to pull from his hat.
PB Tories calling out the hounding of Cummings is a noble thing to do, except they've never called out hounding of MPs on the other side.
Yes we have.
Also, Cummings is a civil servant, a member of staff not an elected politician.
When?
Personally, right back to Gordon Brown when he was PM, and Damien McBride was his media henchman who became the story.
I don't ever recall such harassment of a civil servant as we've seen in the last couple of days though.
Cummings is in reality much more political than civil. I don't think he'd wish to be thought anything else. But of course he shouldn't be harassed personally and picketing someone's home is always repulsive.
Repulsive is very very generous- this is a culture war with the Puritains trying to burn their self anointed witch.
Horrible narrow minded people.
Scum actually.
Up pops Harry now he's got something to use to try to deflect from Cumming's misdeeds. All fake outrage because a van parks outside the Cummings household, straw clutching at its finest
That van was silly and childish and I cannot believe Starmer approved
Bozo will announce an enquiry and Cummings will stand aside until it’s finished. He’ll hope the public will get bored and then won’t be that bothered when Mark Sedwill fudges that which allows Cummings to return .
I agree, it will be an enquiry.
You may be right but I'm not convinced that will satisfy the masses and what the heck will the enquiry actually investigate?
It wont satisfy anyone but buys time for the story to go away.
Mandelson was to Blair, what Cummings is to Johnson.
Discuss.
Mandelson was a competent cabinet minister. He was also a brilliant communicator.
I think Mandelson and George Osborne are on par....I can hear TSE frothing at the mouth......both hated by their rivals because they were so good at their jobs....
Little wonder they both ended up on an oligarchs boat sharing pleasantries....
PB Tories calling out the hounding of Cummings is a noble thing to do, except they've never called out hounding of MPs on the other side.
Yes we have.
Also, Cummings is a civil servant, a member of staff not an elected politician.
When?
Personally, right back to Gordon Brown when he was PM, and Damien McBride was his media henchman who became the story.
I don't ever recall such harassment of a civil servant as we've seen in the last couple of days though.
Cummings is in reality much more political than civil. I don't think he'd wish to be thought anything else. But of course he shouldn't be harassed personally and picketing someone's home is always repulsive.
Repulsive is very very generous- this is a culture war with the Puritains trying to burn their self anointed witch.
Horrible narrow minded people.
Scum actually.
Up pops Harry now he's got something to use to try to deflect from Cumming's misdeeds. All fake outrage because a van parks outside the Cummings household, straw clutching at its finest
That van was silly and childish and I cannot believe Starmer approved
PB Tories calling out the hounding of Cummings is a noble thing to do, except they've never called out hounding of MPs on the other side.
Yes we have.
Also, Cummings is a civil servant, a member of staff not an elected politician.
When?
Personally, right back to Gordon Brown when he was PM, and Damien McBride was his media henchman who became the story.
I don't ever recall such harassment of a civil servant as we've seen in the last couple of days though.
Cummings is in reality much more political than civil. I don't think he'd wish to be thought anything else. But of course he shouldn't be harassed personally and picketing someone's home is always repulsive.
Repulsive is very very generous- this is a culture war with the Puritains trying to burn their self anointed witch.
Horrible narrow minded people.
Scum actually.
Up pops Harry now he's got something to use to try to deflect from Cumming's misdeeds. All fake outrage because a van parks outside the Cummings household, straw clutching at its finest
That van was silly and childish and I cannot believe Starmer approved
Did he?
Led by Donkeys is independent of the Labour Party. I suspect that Starmer would not approve of the stunt and certainly didn't approve it.
PB Tories calling out the hounding of Cummings is a noble thing to do, except they've never called out hounding of MPs on the other side.
Yes we have.
Also, Cummings is a civil servant, a member of staff not an elected politician.
When?
Personally, right back to Gordon Brown when he was PM, and Damien McBride was his media henchman who became the story.
I don't ever recall such harassment of a civil servant as we've seen in the last couple of days though.
Cummings is in reality much more political than civil. I don't think he'd wish to be thought anything else. But of course he shouldn't be harassed personally and picketing someone's home is always repulsive.
Repulsive is very very generous- this is a culture war with the Puritains trying to burn their self anointed witch.
Horrible narrow minded people.
Scum actually.
Up pops Harry now he's got something to use to try to deflect from Cumming's misdeeds. All fake outrage because a van parks outside the Cummings household, straw clutching at its finest
That van was silly and childish and I cannot believe Starmer approved
PB Tories calling out the hounding of Cummings is a noble thing to do, except they've never called out hounding of MPs on the other side.
Yes we have.
Also, Cummings is a civil servant, a member of staff not an elected politician.
When?
Personally, right back to Gordon Brown when he was PM, and Damien McBride was his media henchman who became the story.
I don't ever recall such harassment of a civil servant as we've seen in the last couple of days though.
Cummings is in reality much more political than civil. I don't think he'd wish to be thought anything else. But of course he shouldn't be harassed personally and picketing someone's home is always repulsive.
Repulsive is very very generous- this is a culture war with the Puritains trying to burn their self anointed witch.
Horrible narrow minded people.
Scum actually.
Up pops Harry now he's got something to use to try to deflect from Cumming's misdeeds. All fake outrage because a van parks outside the Cummings household, straw clutching at its finest
That van was silly and childish and I cannot believe Starmer approved
If you had read the many posts on it , it was right wing Tories, Starmer had nothing to do with it. You should not believe everyone would stoop as low as Boris and his thugs.
PB Tories calling out the hounding of Cummings is a noble thing to do, except they've never called out hounding of MPs on the other side.
Yes we have.
Also, Cummings is a civil servant, a member of staff not an elected politician.
When?
Personally, right back to Gordon Brown when he was PM, and Damien McBride was his media henchman who became the story.
I don't ever recall such harassment of a civil servant as we've seen in the last couple of days though.
Cummings is in reality much more political than civil. I don't think he'd wish to be thought anything else. But of course he shouldn't be harassed personally and picketing someone's home is always repulsive.
Repulsive is very very generous- this is a culture war with the Puritains trying to burn their self anointed witch.
Horrible narrow minded people.
Scum actually.
Up pops Harry now he's got something to use to try to deflect from Cumming's misdeeds. All fake outrage because a van parks outside the Cummings household, straw clutching at its finest
That van was silly and childish and I cannot believe Starmer approved
It’s nothing to do with Starmer or the Labour Party .
PB Tories calling out the hounding of Cummings is a noble thing to do, except they've never called out hounding of MPs on the other side.
Yes we have.
Also, Cummings is a civil servant, a member of staff not an elected politician.
When?
Personally, right back to Gordon Brown when he was PM, and Damien McBride was his media henchman who became the story.
I don't ever recall such harassment of a civil servant as we've seen in the last couple of days though.
Cummings is in reality much more political than civil. I don't think he'd wish to be thought anything else. But of course he shouldn't be harassed personally and picketing someone's home is always repulsive.
Repulsive is very very generous- this is a culture war with the Puritains trying to burn their self anointed witch.
Horrible narrow minded people.
Scum actually.
Up pops Harry now he's got something to use to try to deflect from Cumming's misdeeds. All fake outrage because a van parks outside the Cummings household, straw clutching at its finest
That van was silly and childish and I cannot believe Starmer approved
Did he?
Led by Donkeys is independent of the Labour Party. I suspect that Starmer would not approve of the stunt and certainly didn't approve it.
Scottish Conservatives FAIL to defend Scotland against pandemic! With his personal trust rating, in YouGov’s January poll, at only 8% and support for his party leader’s Coronavirus unlocking strategy at only 9% in May, Jackson Carlaw must now deal with two damning exposures of how his party’s handling of the crisis has clearly brought the deadly virus to Scotland in the early days of the outbreak. https://talkingupscotlandtwo.com/2020/05/23/scottish-conservatives-fail-to-defend-scotland-against-pandemic/
Last time I checked the Tories weren't in power in Scotland.
They run Scotland , I am sure you know the Tories run the UK Rob. Nice joke though.
LOL. And what is Sturgeon doing?
Her best despite the best efforts of Boris , Westminster, the odious Scottish Office, 77 Brigade and the EBC state propaganda unit
PB Tories calling out the hounding of Cummings is a noble thing to do, except they've never called out hounding of MPs on the other side.
Yes we have.
Also, Cummings is a civil servant, a member of staff not an elected politician.
When?
Personally, right back to Gordon Brown when he was PM, and Damien McBride was his media henchman who became the story.
I don't ever recall such harassment of a civil servant as we've seen in the last couple of days though.
Cummings is in reality much more political than civil. I don't think he'd wish to be thought anything else. But of course he shouldn't be harassed personally and picketing someone's home is always repulsive.
Repulsive is very very generous- this is a culture war with the Puritains trying to burn their self anointed witch.
Horrible narrow minded people.
Scum actually.
Up pops Harry now he's got something to use to try to deflect from Cumming's misdeeds. All fake outrage because a van parks outside the Cummings household, straw clutching at its finest
That van was silly and childish and I cannot believe Starmer approved
Did he?
The van is nothing whatsoever to do with Labour or Starmer.
Actually, another good day for Labour: they have been insisting all day that Boris should lead today's press conference, and he has obliged. If Cummings stays, even better.
The self-discipline in Labour ranks at the moment is pretty impressive, and the lunatics are slowly but surely being marginalised completely.
PB Tories calling out the hounding of Cummings is a noble thing to do, except they've never called out hounding of MPs on the other side.
Yes we have.
Also, Cummings is a civil servant, a member of staff not an elected politician.
When?
Personally, right back to Gordon Brown when he was PM, and Damien McBride was his media henchman who became the story.
I don't ever recall such harassment of a civil servant as we've seen in the last couple of days though.
Cummings is in reality much more political than civil. I don't think he'd wish to be thought anything else. But of course he shouldn't be harassed personally and picketing someone's home is always repulsive.
Repulsive is very very generous- this is a culture war with the Puritains trying to burn their self anointed witch.
Horrible narrow minded people.
Scum actually.
Up pops Harry now he's got something to use to try to deflect from Cumming's misdeeds. All fake outrage because a van parks outside the Cummings household, straw clutching at its finest
That van was silly and childish and I cannot believe Starmer approved
Have you any evidence he did? The stunt was nothing to do with the Labour Party
Scottish Conservatives FAIL to defend Scotland against pandemic! With his personal trust rating, in YouGov’s January poll, at only 8% and support for his party leader’s Coronavirus unlocking strategy at only 9% in May, Jackson Carlaw must now deal with two damning exposures of how his party’s handling of the crisis has clearly brought the deadly virus to Scotland in the early days of the outbreak. https://talkingupscotlandtwo.com/2020/05/23/scottish-conservatives-fail-to-defend-scotland-against-pandemic/
Last time I checked the Tories weren't in power in Scotland.
They run Scotland , I am sure you know the Tories run the UK Rob. Nice joke though.
LOL. And what is Sturgeon doing?
Her best despite the best efforts of Boris , Westminster, the odious Scottish Office, 77 Brigade and the EBC state propaganda unit
PB Tories calling out the hounding of Cummings is a noble thing to do, except they've never called out hounding of MPs on the other side.
Yes we have.
Also, Cummings is a civil servant, a member of staff not an elected politician.
When?
Personally, right back to Gordon Brown when he was PM, and Damien McBride was his media henchman who became the story.
I don't ever recall such harassment of a civil servant as we've seen in the last couple of days though.
Cummings is in reality much more political than civil. I don't think he'd wish to be thought anything else. But of course he shouldn't be harassed personally and picketing someone's home is always repulsive.
Repulsive is very very generous- this is a culture war with the Puritains trying to burn their self anointed witch.
Horrible narrow minded people.
Scum actually.
Up pops Harry now he's got something to use to try to deflect from Cumming's misdeeds. All fake outrage because a van parks outside the Cummings household, straw clutching at its finest
That van was silly and childish and I cannot believe Starmer approved
Did he?
Led by Donkeys is independent of the Labour Party. I suspect that Starmer would not approve of the stunt and certainly didn't approve it.
Big G. is implying he might have.
Big G doesn't grasp that there are a set of none Labour people who are angry, enjoy what to them is funny and have both the time and money to do it.
Led by Donkeys got a lot of money off a lot of annoyed people..
Scottish Conservatives FAIL to defend Scotland against pandemic! With his personal trust rating, in YouGov’s January poll, at only 8% and support for his party leader’s Coronavirus unlocking strategy at only 9% in May, Jackson Carlaw must now deal with two damning exposures of how his party’s handling of the crisis has clearly brought the deadly virus to Scotland in the early days of the outbreak. https://talkingupscotlandtwo.com/2020/05/23/scottish-conservatives-fail-to-defend-scotland-against-pandemic/
Last time I checked the Tories weren't in power in Scotland.
They run Scotland , I am sure you know the Tories run the UK Rob. Nice joke though.
LOL. And what is Sturgeon doing?
And there, in a nutshell, is the problem with devolution. Independence or Federalism are the only two realistic options. Don’t care which, but this sort of argument on a such a basic constitutional question, on an intelligent message board at that, sums up a lot.
Power devolved is power retained, we are still a colony.
"It is in the national interest for Dominic Cummings to stay Our society asks a lot of political leaders and their advisers. We should try to cut them some slack
PB Tories calling out the hounding of Cummings is a noble thing to do, except they've never called out hounding of MPs on the other side.
Yes we have.
Also, Cummings is a civil servant, a member of staff not an elected politician.
When?
Personally, right back to Gordon Brown when he was PM, and Damien McBride was his media henchman who became the story.
I don't ever recall such harassment of a civil servant as we've seen in the last couple of days though.
Cummings is in reality much more political than civil. I don't think he'd wish to be thought anything else. But of course he shouldn't be harassed personally and picketing someone's home is always repulsive.
Repulsive is very very generous- this is a culture war with the Puritains trying to burn their self anointed witch.
Horrible narrow minded people.
Scum actually.
Up pops Harry now he's got something to use to try to deflect from Cumming's misdeeds. All fake outrage because a van parks outside the Cummings household, straw clutching at its finest
That van was silly and childish and I cannot believe Starmer approved
Did he?
The van is nothing whatsoever to do with Labour or Starmer.
Actually, another good day for Labour: they have been insisting all day that Boris should lead today's press conference, and he has obliged. If Cummings stays, even better.
The self-discipline in Labour ranks at the moment is pretty impressive, and the lunatics are slowly but surely being marginalised completely.
PB Tories calling out the hounding of Cummings is a noble thing to do, except they've never called out hounding of MPs on the other side.
Yes we have.
Also, Cummings is a civil servant, a member of staff not an elected politician.
When?
Personally, right back to Gordon Brown when he was PM, and Damien McBride was his media henchman who became the story.
I don't ever recall such harassment of a civil servant as we've seen in the last couple of days though.
Cummings is in reality much more political than civil. I don't think he'd wish to be thought anything else. But of course he shouldn't be harassed personally and picketing someone's home is always repulsive.
Repulsive is very very generous- this is a culture war with the Puritains trying to burn their self anointed witch.
Horrible narrow minded people.
Scum actually.
Up pops Harry now he's got something to use to try to deflect from Cumming's misdeeds. All fake outrage because a van parks outside the Cummings household, straw clutching at its finest
That van was silly and childish and I cannot believe Starmer approved
Did he?
Led by Donkeys is independent of the Labour Party. I suspect that Starmer would not approve of the stunt and certainly didn't approve it.
Big G. is implying he might have.
Not at all - but my wording was a bit ambiguous and I am sorry if that came over
I do not believe Starmer would or did approve of the van
PB Tories calling out the hounding of Cummings is a noble thing to do, except they've never called out hounding of MPs on the other side.
Yes we have.
Also, Cummings is a civil servant, a member of staff not an elected politician.
When?
Personally, right back to Gordon Brown when he was PM, and Damien McBride was his media henchman who became the story.
I don't ever recall such harassment of a civil servant as we've seen in the last couple of days though.
Cummings is in reality much more political than civil. I don't think he'd wish to be thought anything else. But of course he shouldn't be harassed personally and picketing someone's home is always repulsive.
Repulsive is very very generous- this is a culture war with the Puritains trying to burn their self anointed witch.
Horrible narrow minded people.
Scum actually.
Up pops Harry now he's got something to use to try to deflect from Cumming's misdeeds. All fake outrage because a van parks outside the Cummings household, straw clutching at its finest
That van was silly and childish and I cannot believe Starmer approved
Did he?
The van is nothing whatsoever to do with Labour or Starmer.
Actually, another good day for Labour: they have been insisting all day that Boris should lead today's press conference, and he has obliged. If Cummings stays, even better.
The self-discipline in Labour ranks at the moment is pretty impressive, and the lunatics are slowly but surely being marginalised completely.
They aren't though. Sadly they are running the country.
PB Tories calling out the hounding of Cummings is a noble thing to do, except they've never called out hounding of MPs on the other side.
Yes we have.
Also, Cummings is a civil servant, a member of staff not an elected politician.
When?
Personally, right back to Gordon Brown when he was PM, and Damien McBride was his media henchman who became the story.
I don't ever recall such harassment of a civil servant as we've seen in the last couple of days though.
Cummings is in reality much more political than civil. I don't think he'd wish to be thought anything else. But of course he shouldn't be harassed personally and picketing someone's home is always repulsive.
Repulsive is very very generous- this is a culture war with the Puritains trying to burn their self anointed witch.
Horrible narrow minded people.
Scum actually.
Up pops Harry now he's got something to use to try to deflect from Cumming's misdeeds. All fake outrage because a van parks outside the Cummings household, straw clutching at its finest
That van was silly and childish and I cannot believe Starmer approved
Did he?
Led by Donkeys is independent of the Labour Party. I suspect that Starmer would not approve of the stunt and certainly didn't approve it.
Big G. is implying he might have.
" No Big G says "I cannot believe Starmer approved".. Neither can I.
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Starmer has some spare land, currently full of donkeys that we could use to build a replacement grace and favour weekend retreat.
I hope you have your popcorn ready for 5 pm!
Which is fine so long as you are at the same time reflecting - as requested.
I don't know. He's lifting the lockdown or something.
I don't mind other people doing their bit to achieve herd immunity though
But if he is axed, that'll be significant.
That is why I am convinced Cummings will be lightly toasted at 5.00- only to re-emerge again in 6 months after he's had a Berlusconi hair transplant....
Boris refuses to sack him.
The only way to resolve matters is for Boris to resign.
Odds anyone?
He has to sack him or have a cast iron reason for not doing so
Boris needs to step up and lead or stand aside
But we'll see. Perhaps I'm wrong. Does happen every so often
She normally knows what is going on before the PM.
Establish the facts? Boris knew what Dom was up to and when...of course he did...
What they need to establish is how they dig their way out of this monumental shitshow with their bare hands.....
It seems a no brainer that Dom walks....but I just think Boris is just too dependant on having him in the room when he deals with the colleagues (like all of them) that he doesn't trust...
I think the van is out of order but "terrorising toddlers"? Really, Don't be so ridiculous. It's pitiful
Discuss.
No "inquiry" either.
Win, win.
Cummings deliberately antagonises the media needlessly.
The fact the PM is doing the press briefing suggests a course of action is going to happen which shows him “ taking back control “ !
I personally can’t stand Cummings but I don’t see him being shown the door , more a way found that makes Bozo look good but also allows Cummings to stay in the wings waiting to return .
Boris Johnson does not have one cabinet colleague he can trust....Gove is the closest and that in itself speaks volumes
PS: Great Meaks tip BJ presser 10/1.
Why would he sack Cummings now, after sending out cabinet members to defend him these past two days.
Don't you ever be sad
Lean on me, when the rules are bad
When the day comes and you're locked down
With public opinion about to frown
Just hold on, I'm Cummings
Hold on, Dom Cummings
I'm on my way, to Durham
If you get the virus, I won't give a damn!
Don't worry about the rules, 'cause I'm here
No need for contrition, 'cause I'm here
Just hold on, I'm Cummings
Hold on, Dom Cummings
Hold on, I'm Cummings
Hold on, Dom Cummings
Reach out to me for special advice, yeah
Call my name, yeah, and pay the price
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah!
He was also a brilliant communicator.
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1264577859949117445?s=20
Cummings has used?"
And I don't know what the answer is then. But he's the PM, so he can hardly duck the question either.
In fact, given that the live format really doesn't suit him, he needs a helluva rabbit to pull from his hat.
Little wonder they both ended up on an oligarchs boat sharing pleasantries....
Actually, another good day for Labour: they have been insisting all day that Boris should lead today's press conference, and he has obliged. If Cummings stays, even better.
The self-discipline in Labour ranks at the moment is pretty impressive, and the lunatics are slowly but surely being marginalised completely.
He's gonna try and bluster it out, isn't he?
"I'm not going to waste my time replying"?
Led by Donkeys got a lot of money off a lot of annoyed people..
Our society asks a lot of political leaders and their advisers. We should try to cut them some slack
David Goodhart"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/23/national-interest-dominic-cummings-stay/
I do not believe Starmer would or did approve of the van
No enquiry and no resignation . The PM will say the matter is closed .
No Big G says "I cannot believe Starmer approved".. Neither can I.