Note that is continuity IDS Tweeting out Labour propaganda...
What's the betting that would were pumping out condemnatory tweets about Tim Montgomerie a couple of months ago over his Hungarian associations?
That sentence makes no sense at all, are you okay?
I'm pointing out that Tim Montgomerie was in recent months the face of evil to anti-Tories for his praise of Viktor Orban, but now his opinions are treated as gospel because it's politically convenient for them. Ergo, they are hypocrites.
Do I really have to spell out such simple things for you?
And no resignation called for but an investigation. Which will run and run. Someone must have reported him to Durham Police by now.
Labour have played this perfectly from the start.
Unlike the Fat Crofter who demanded Johnson's resignation, then deleted the Tweet.
I don't think it's fully dawned on some Tories yet that the game has changed. Corbyn's gone, they won't get away with things like they did before. Starmer is a very different proposition.
Totally. I didn`t bother following politics when Corbyn was leader. Labour were never going to get close to power with a socialist at the helm.
They've got a socialist at the helm now and suddenly everyone can envision them in power.
I'm not normally one for the daft press tactics but Cummings both needs and deserves to be hounded night and day for this
Good of you to disclose that when you particularly dislike someone you're prepared to set decency to one side.
Why are you defending Dom's hypocrisy?
I haven't defended his hypocrisy. I *have* criticised the slavering mob so desperate for his scalp that they send lorries into his street and are happy to see him 'hounded day and night', for, mistakenly or otherwise, doing what he felt he needed to do to protect his family. It's a political witch hunt. I don't approve of mob rule, whether that mob consists of an angry crowd or a Twitter pile on.
I'm not normally one for the daft press tactics but Cummings both needs and deserves to be hounded night and day for this
Good of you to disclose that when you particularly dislike someone you're prepared to set decency to one side.
Why are you defending Dom's hypocrisy?
I haven't defended his hypocrisy. I *have* criticised the slavering mob so desperate for his scalp that they send lorries into his street and are happy to see him 'hounded day and night', for, mistakenly or otherwise, doing what he felt he needed to do to protect his family. It's a political witch hunt. I don't approve of mob rule, whether that mob consists of an angry crowd or a Twitter pile on.
Strange Corbyn had it for years.
I dont remember your outrage at the mob then
I was always very even-handed with Corbyn.
ROFL, your credibility is going down the toilet with this bile.
If it was justified for Corbyn, it's justified for Cummings. End of story.
And no resignation called for but an investigation. Which will run and run. Someone must have reported him to Durham Police by now.
Labour have played this perfectly from the start.
Unlike the Fat Crofter who demanded Johnson's resignation, then deleted the Tweet.
I don't think it's fully dawned on some Tories yet that the game has changed. Corbyn's gone, they won't get away with things like they did before. Starmer is a very different proposition.
Totally. I didn`t bother following politics when Corbyn was leader. Labour were never going to get close to power with a socialist at the helm.
They've got a socialist at the helm now and suddenly everyone can envision them in power.
He's a socialist that understands that electability seemingly relies in being perceived as being a social democrat.
1. If my wife caught this I would consider myself absolutely nailed on to get it. We do not maintain social distancing, not even in lockdown. Sometimes we get very close indeed. Spreading in families is, unsurprisingly, the most common method of transmission. Of course he considered, correctly, that there was a high probability that he would get it too.
2. Pure speculation. Are you seriously saying that the guidance should not have provided for exceptional steps being taken by a parent charged with looking after a child? I mean, really?
3. Just maybe Boris had other things to worry about. Like being ill, having a child, running the country, trying to give some sort of direction to a fairly aimless Cabinet, that sort of thing.
4. Cummings has not provided any of the guidance or moralising to the public. He will not do so in the future either. And, subject to a possible second wave, most of this is going to be relaxation measures anyway. It's not great but this is being massively oversold.
Don't get me wrong. I really don't like the one rule for them and one for us aspect of this. I don't much care for the arrogance. If he has lied or had others lie on his behalf he should probably go. But this is a twitter storm at its maddest right now. Boris has to weigh up his utility in delivering the program he wants to deliver notwithstanding the virus against the embarrassment. He should do so coolly.
I shall now return to not commenting on this.
Interesting point of view.
Leaving aside the despicable Cummings and the abject Johnson, my observation is that countries with successful Covid-19 responses have very strict quarantining rules. If you have symptoms in South Korea, Hong Kong or Taiwan you get tagged and hit with a massive fine for taking one step outside your front. Or you get taken straight to a quarantine hospital.
This isn't an "embarrassment" or "mad twitter storm". It literally means 60 000, and counting, people are dead now who would have been alive.
If that's Labour it's their first mis-step in this - it will allow Tories to go on the attack about "harassing 4 year olds and their mothers" - especially since Cummings is reportedly in Downing St.
And no resignation called for but an investigation. Which will run and run. Someone must have reported him to Durham Police by now.
Labour have played this perfectly from the start.
Unlike the Fat Crofter who demanded Johnson's resignation, then deleted the Tweet.
I don't think it's fully dawned on some Tories yet that the game has changed. Corbyn's gone, they won't get away with things like they did before. Starmer is a very different proposition.
Totally. I didn`t bother following politics when Corbyn was leader. Labour were never going to get close to power with a socialist at the helm.
They've got a socialist at the helm now and suddenly everyone can envision them in power.
He's a socialist that understands that electability seemingly relies in being perceived as being a social democrat.
Let's see what happens when he actually has to let the public know about his socialist economic policies, eh?
If that's Labour it's their first mis-step in this - it will allow Tories to go on the attack about "harassing 4 year olds and their mothers" - especially since Cummings is reportedly in Downing St.
It's Donkeys apparently, nothing to do with Labour from recollection.
I somehow still think sticking by Cummings helps Johnson in the medium term. As soon as Cummings falls the focus is switched to Johnson and what he knew.
Cummings also knows where all the bodies are buried.
Re your first two sentences although I agree it will switch to what Boris knew I don't think that lasts for long. It was the doing that was the serious offence, not knowing he did it. I think Johnson can bluster through that ok.
Yes Boris was ill in hospital at death's door, but subsequently he must have cottoned on, and just let it ride. Having done that, sticking with Cummings is less bad than firing him when the excrement hits the a/c rather than the moment he found out.
This could be a Black Friday moment for Boris, blogging it for a week or two might cause less long term stress for him.
If that's Labour it's their first mis-step in this - it will allow Tories to go on the attack about "harassing 4 year olds and their mothers" - especially since Cummings is reportedly in Downing St.
It's Donkeys apparently, nothing to do with Labour from recollection.
Note that is continuity IDS Tweeting out Labour propaganda...
What's the betting that would were pumping out condemnatory tweets about Tim Montgomerie a couple of months ago over his Hungarian associations?
That sentence makes no sense at all, are you okay?
I'm pointing out that Tim Montgomerie was in recent months the face of evil to anti-Tories for his praise of Viktor Orban, but now his opinions are treated as gospel because it's politically convenient for them. Ergo, they are hypocrites.
Do I really have to spell out such simple things for you?
Yes. What does your operative phrase “that would were pumping” actually mean? When I was a kid my mum fed me alphabet soup and my resulting shit made more sense than that.
I somehow still think sticking by Cummings helps Johnson in the medium term. As soon as Cummings falls the focus is switched to Johnson and what he knew.
Cummings also knows where all the bodies are buried.
Re your first two sentences although I agree it will switch to what Boris knew I don't think that lasts for long. It was the doing that was the serious offence, not knowing he did it. I think Johnson can bluster through that ok.
Yes Boris was ill in hospital at death's door, but subsequently he must have cottoned on, and just let it ride. Having done that, sticking with Cummings is less bad than firing him when the excrement hits the a/c rather than the moment he found out.
This could be a Black Friday moment for Boris, blogging it for a week or two might cause less long term stress for him.
And no resignation called for but an investigation. Which will run and run. Someone must have reported him to Durham Police by now.
Labour have played this perfectly from the start.
Unlike the Fat Crofter who demanded Johnson's resignation, then deleted the Tweet.
I don't think it's fully dawned on some Tories yet that the game has changed. Corbyn's gone, they won't get away with things like they did before. Starmer is a very different proposition.
Totally. I didn`t bother following politics when Corbyn was leader. Labour were never going to get close to power with a socialist at the helm.
GE 2017 showed that Labour COULD win with a socialist in charge. They got close even though that socialist was Jeremy Corbyn. Imagine if it wasn't.
I've not been following the site today. Am I reading right now that the story is that Cummings has made multiple trips?
If so he should go.
I was willing yesterday to give the benefit of the doubt if it was for the welfare of a three year old. As a father of a three year old myself their safety must always come first.
However multiple trips without reasonable reasons is simply inexcusable if true.
I hope that's clear enough.
That's fine. But we do need to hear a heartfelt "sorry" from you. You lost some dignity with all the nonsense yesterday. An apology would go some way to restoring it.
Not at all.
I was responding to the facts at the time. If the facts are that a father was looking after a three year old then I will never object to that. Children come before politics.
If the facts are that there have been multiple trips then that wasn't something I knew yesterday and doesn't change what I said one iota.
When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?
Note that is continuity IDS Tweeting out Labour propaganda...
What's the betting that would were pumping out condemnatory tweets about Tim Montgomerie a couple of months ago over his Hungarian associations?
That sentence makes no sense at all, are you okay?
I'm pointing out that Tim Montgomerie was in recent months the face of evil to anti-Tories for his praise of Viktor Orban, but now his opinions are treated as gospel because it's politically convenient for them. Ergo, they are hypocrites.
Do I really have to spell out such simple things for you?
Yes. What does your operative phrase “that would were pumping” actually mean? When I was a kid my mum fed me alphabet soup and my resulting shit made more sense than that.
'Would' in that sentence was a typo for 'you'. How did you get on in school without being able to deduce things like that?
I'm not normally one for the daft press tactics but Cummings both needs and deserves to be hounded night and day for this
Good of you to disclose that when you particularly dislike someone you're prepared to set decency to one side.
Why are you defending Dom's hypocrisy?
I haven't defended his hypocrisy. I *have* criticised the slavering mob so desperate for his scalp that they send lorries into his street and are happy to see him 'hounded day and night', for, mistakenly or otherwise, doing what he felt he needed to do to protect his family. It's a political witch hunt. I don't approve of mob rule, whether that mob consists of an angry crowd or a Twitter pile on.
Strange Corbyn had it for years.
I dont remember your outrage at the mob then
I was always very even-handed with Corbyn.
ROFL, your credibility is going down the toilet with this bile.
If it was justified for Corbyn, it's justified for Cummings. End of story.
You're barking up the wrong tree if you think I have or want any 'credibility' here. I speak as I find, even if I'm in a minority of one.
If that's Labour it's their first mis-step in this - it will allow Tories to go on the attack about "harassing 4 year olds and their mothers" - especially since Cummings is reportedly in Downing St.
Big, big error from Labour. I would be surprised if Starmer sanctioned something so crass.
On 15th June, I will be made redundant from the job I still enjoy after 25 years of service. Redundancy notices are to be issued to 43,000 of my colleagues: the entire workforce. Yes, you read correctly! 31,000 "lucky" former employees will then be offered re-employement on a far inferior contract that the company has wanted to enforce since 2010. For me, this would represent a 50% pay cut.
This is to be accompanied by an increase in productivity of 25%, not to mention far inferior T&Cs and, basically, a zero-hours contract.
All of this is with a backdrop of our CEO's bonus of £3.2 million in March this year; he’s been paid £33 million over the last 9 years. For the financial year '19/'20, the company I work for made a near record-breaking operating profit of £1.9 billion. I received no bonus; not a penny.
The company I work for has the biggest cash reserves of any airline on this planet: £9 billion. During this "fight for survival", the company I work for is in the process of spending £1billion buying another airline, Air Europa. All this whilst taking cash handouts from both the UK & Spanish governments & the UK taxpayer paying 80% of the current wage bill....
Nobody is saying we shouldn't all do our bit and take a shared responsibility approach as we ride this storm. However the company I currently work for absolutely refuses to negotiate. #BAbetrayal
They obviously plan to clear the decks and come out leaner and fitter after the resumption of business. All their outstanding problems sorted in one fell swoop.
I've not been following the site today. Am I reading right now that the story is that Cummings has made multiple trips?
If so he should go.
I was willing yesterday to give the benefit of the doubt if it was for the welfare of a three year old. As a father of a three year old myself their safety must always come first.
However multiple trips without reasonable reasons is simply inexcusable if true.
I hope that's clear enough.
That's fine. But we do need to hear a heartfelt "sorry" from you. You lost some dignity with all the nonsense yesterday. An apology would go some way to restoring it.
Not at all.
I was responding to the facts at the time. If the facts are that a father was looking after a three year old then I will never object to that. Children come before politics.
If the facts are that there have been multiple trips then that wasn't something I knew yesterday and doesn't change what I said one iota.
When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?
I won't attack you for changing your mind, well done you. Unfortunately so many of your own side attack me for doing just that.
The big problem with that counterfactual is that, if Labour had appeared competitive in Spring 2017, there simply wouldn't have been an election. The only reason there was one is that Corbyn was perceived as very weak, and polling poorly.
And no resignation called for but an investigation. Which will run and run. Someone must have reported him to Durham Police by now.
Labour have played this perfectly from the start.
Unlike the Fat Crofter who demanded Johnson's resignation, then deleted the Tweet.
I don't think it's fully dawned on some Tories yet that the game has changed. Corbyn's gone, they won't get away with things like they did before. Starmer is a very different proposition.
Totally. I didn`t bother following politics when Corbyn was leader. Labour were never going to get close to power with a socialist at the helm.
They've got a socialist at the helm now and suddenly everyone can envision them in power.
He's a socialist that understands that electability seemingly relies in being perceived as being a social democrat.
Let's see what happens when he actually has to let the public know about his socialist economic policies, eh?
Socialist policies may be all that’s left when this is over.
The big problem with that counterfactual is that, if Labour had appeared competitive in Spring 2017, there simply wouldn't have been an election. The only reason there was one is that Corbyn was perceived as very weak, and polling poorly.
1. Due to US sanctions Huawei won't be able to purchase components, license US IP, or access manufacturing like TSMC. This will make it very difficult for them to supply and maintain the networking equipment the carriers need. 2. You don't want to build a network using a supplier who can't reliably supply equipment. 3. Therefore don't buy Huawei.
I'm not normally one for the daft press tactics but Cummings both needs and deserves to be hounded night and day for this
Good of you to disclose that when you particularly dislike someone you're prepared to set decency to one side.
Why are you defending Dom's hypocrisy?
I haven't defended his hypocrisy. I *have* criticised the slavering mob so desperate for his scalp that they send lorries into his street and are happy to see him 'hounded day and night', for, mistakenly or otherwise, doing what he felt he needed to do to protect his family. It's a political witch hunt. I don't approve of mob rule, whether that mob consists of an angry crowd or a Twitter pile on.
Strange Corbyn had it for years.
I dont remember your outrage at the mob then
I was always very even-handed with Corbyn.
ROFL, your credibility is going down the toilet with this bile.
If it was justified for Corbyn, it's justified for Cummings. End of story.
You're barking up the wrong tree if you think I have or want any 'credibility' here. I speak as I find, even if I'm in a minority of one.
That's the most puzzling thing about this whole affair. Some people seem genuinely offended if we don't automatically genuflect at the feet of the government's most vicious critics.
Personally I change my expressed opinion when I ... change my actual opinion. Fuck knows what some other drones do.
The big problem with that counterfactual is that, if Labour had appeared competitive in Spring 2017, there simply wouldn't have been an election. The only reason there was one is that Corbyn was perceived as very weak, and polling poorly.
And if the Conservatives hadn't expected an easy win then their manifesto would have been rather different.
I'm not normally one for the daft press tactics but Cummings both needs and deserves to be hounded night and day for this
Good of you to disclose that when you particularly dislike someone you're prepared to set decency to one side.
Why are you defending Dom's hypocrisy?
I haven't defended his hypocrisy. I *have* criticised the slavering mob so desperate for his scalp that they send lorries into his street and are happy to see him 'hounded day and night', for, mistakenly or otherwise, doing what he felt he needed to do to protect his family. It's a political witch hunt. I don't approve of mob rule, whether that mob consists of an angry crowd or a Twitter pile on.
There cannot be one rule for Dominic Cummings and another for the British people.
If that's Labour it's their first mis-step in this - it will allow Tories to go on the attack about "harassing 4 year olds and their mothers" - especially since Cummings is reportedly in Downing St.
It's Donkeys apparently, nothing to do with Labour from recollection.
Labour has everything to do with donkeys...
Nope Led By Donkey's is definitely nothing to do with Labour. Just people who know how to use media to make a point (and this is a very cheap way to make their point) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Led_By_Donkeys
On 15th June, I will be made redundant from the job I still enjoy after 25 years of service. Redundancy notices are to be issued to 43,000 of my colleagues: the entire workforce. Yes, you read correctly! 31,000 "lucky" former employees will then be offered re-employement on a far inferior contract that the company has wanted to enforce since 2010. For me, this would represent a 50% pay cut.
This is to be accompanied by an increase in productivity of 25%, not to mention far inferior T&Cs and, basically, a zero-hours contract.
All of this is with a backdrop of our CEO's bonus of £3.2 million in March this year; he’s been paid £33 million over the last 9 years. For the financial year '19/'20, the company I work for made a near record-breaking operating profit of £1.9 billion. I received no bonus; not a penny.
The company I work for has the biggest cash reserves of any airline on this planet: £9 billion. During this "fight for survival", the company I work for is in the process of spending £1billion buying another airline, Air Europa. All this whilst taking cash handouts from both the UK & Spanish governments & the UK taxpayer paying 80% of the current wage bill....
Nobody is saying we shouldn't all do our bit and take a shared responsibility approach as we ride this storm. However the company I currently work for absolutely refuses to negotiate. #BAbetrayal
They obviously plan to clear the decks and come out leaner and fitter after the resumption of business. All their outstanding problems sorted in one fell swoop.
Never waste a good crisis..
They won't be the only ones, there's a lot of businesses that are going to look very different next year to how they look now. Just because a company survives the recession, doesn't mean there's not going to be an awful lot of redundancies.
To follow on from my previous mention of silent screen classics on BBC2 here is the list for this week. Today - She Wore a Yellow Ribbon; Mon - Top Hat; Tues - The Magnificent Ambersons; Wed - My Favorite Wife: Thurs - Mt Blandings Builds His Dream House; Fri - King Kong (1933 version); Sat - Some Like It Hot.
To follow on from my previous mention of silent screen classics on BBC2 here is the list for this week. Today - She Wore a Yellow Ribbon; Mon - Top Hat; Tues - The Magnificent Ambersons; Wed - My Favorite Wife: Thurs - Mt Blandings Builds His Dream House; Fri - King Kong (1933 version); Sat - Some Like It Hot.
I'm not normally one for the daft press tactics but Cummings both needs and deserves to be hounded night and day for this
Good of you to disclose that when you particularly dislike someone you're prepared to set decency to one side.
Why are you defending Dom's hypocrisy?
I haven't defended his hypocrisy. I *have* criticised the slavering mob so desperate for his scalp that they send lorries into his street and are happy to see him 'hounded day and night', for, mistakenly or otherwise, doing what he felt he needed to do to protect his family. It's a political witch hunt. I don't approve of mob rule, whether that mob consists of an angry crowd or a Twitter pile on.
Strange Corbyn had it for years.
I dont remember your outrage at the mob then
I was always very even-handed with Corbyn.
ROFL, your credibility is going down the toilet with this bile.
If it was justified for Corbyn, it's justified for Cummings. End of story.
You're barking up the wrong tree if you think I have or want any 'credibility' here. I speak as I find, even if I'm in a minority of one.
That's the most puzzling thing about this whole affair. Some people seem genuinely offended if we don't automatically genuflect at the feet of the government's most vicious critics.
Personally I change my expressed opinion when I ... change my actual opinion. Fuck knows what some other drones do.
If that's Labour it's their first mis-step in this - it will allow Tories to go on the attack about "harassing 4 year olds and their mothers" - especially since Cummings is reportedly in Downing St.
Live by the sword. Anyway, Cummings brought his child into it when he told his staff in Cabinet to defend him with the kid.
Note that is continuity IDS Tweeting out Labour propaganda...
What's the betting that would were pumping out condemnatory tweets about Tim Montgomerie a couple of months ago over his Hungarian associations?
That sentence makes no sense at all, are you okay?
I'm pointing out that Tim Montgomerie was in recent months the face of evil to anti-Tories for his praise of Viktor Orban, but now his opinions are treated as gospel because it's politically convenient for them. Ergo, they are hypocrites.
Do I really have to spell out such simple things for you?
Yes. What does your operative phrase “that would were pumping” actually mean? When I was a kid my mum fed me alphabet soup and my resulting shit made more sense than that.
'Would' in that sentence was a typo for 'you'. How did you get on in school without being able to deduce things like that?
Obvious typos are not a completely different word made up of a twice the number of letters - so the most likely explanation, based on that and everything else you post, was that you were having some sort of aneurism. Hence my concern.
As for school, unexceptional. An unconditional offer from Oxford, a degree in history, a conversion course, an LL.M and a partnership in a City Law Firm. Mere bagatelle I accept.
If that's Labour it's their first mis-step in this - it will allow Tories to go on the attack about "harassing 4 year olds and their mothers" - especially since Cummings is reportedly in Downing St.
Live by the sword. Anyway, Cummings brought his child into it when he told his staff in Cabinet to defend him with the kid.
I've not been following the site today. Am I reading right now that the story is that Cummings has made multiple trips?
If so he should go.
I was willing yesterday to give the benefit of the doubt if it was for the welfare of a three year old. As a father of a three year old myself their safety must always come first.
However multiple trips without reasonable reasons is simply inexcusable if true.
I hope that's clear enough.
That's fine. But we do need to hear a heartfelt "sorry" from you. You lost some dignity with all the nonsense yesterday. An apology would go some way to restoring it.
Not at all.
I was responding to the facts at the time. If the facts are that a father was looking after a three year old then I will never object to that. Children come before politics.
If the facts are that there have been multiple trips then that wasn't something I knew yesterday and doesn't change what I said one iota.
When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?
I won't attack you for changing your mind, well done you. Unfortunately so many of your own side attack me for doing just that.
I won't. I think an unwillingness to ever change your mind shows an unwillingness to think critically.
I'm not normally one for the daft press tactics but Cummings both needs and deserves to be hounded night and day for this
Good of you to disclose that when you particularly dislike someone you're prepared to set decency to one side.
Why are you defending Dom's hypocrisy?
I haven't defended his hypocrisy. I *have* criticised the slavering mob so desperate for his scalp that they send lorries into his street and are happy to see him 'hounded day and night', for, mistakenly or otherwise, doing what he felt he needed to do to protect his family. It's a political witch hunt. I don't approve of mob rule, whether that mob consists of an angry crowd or a Twitter pile on.
There cannot be one rule for Dominic Cummings and another for the British people.
I agree. Can you point to one 'British person' who stands to lose their job through bending lockdown guidelines due to a genuine family emergency?
Note that is continuity IDS Tweeting out Labour propaganda...
What's the betting that would were pumping out condemnatory tweets about Tim Montgomerie a couple of months ago over his Hungarian associations?
That sentence makes no sense at all, are you okay?
I'm pointing out that Tim Montgomerie was in recent months the face of evil to anti-Tories for his praise of Viktor Orban, but now his opinions are treated as gospel because it's politically convenient for them. Ergo, they are hypocrites.
Do I really have to spell out such simple things for you?
Yes. What does your operative phrase “that would were pumping” actually mean? When I was a kid my mum fed me alphabet soup and my resulting shit made more sense than that.
'Would' in that sentence was a typo for 'you'. How did you get on in school without being able to deduce things like that?
Obvious typos are not a completely different word made up of a twice the number of letters - so the most likely explanation, based on that and everything else you post, was that you were having some sort of aneurism. Hence my concern.
As for school, unexceptional. An unconditional offer from Oxford, a degree in history, a conversion course, an LL.M and a partnership in a City Law Firm. Mere bagatelle I accept.
You're talking to a drone, don't put yourself down to their level.
I'm not normally one for the daft press tactics but Cummings both needs and deserves to be hounded night and day for this
Good of you to disclose that when you particularly dislike someone you're prepared to set decency to one side.
Why are you defending Dom's hypocrisy?
I haven't defended his hypocrisy. I *have* criticised the slavering mob so desperate for his scalp that they send lorries into his street and are happy to see him 'hounded day and night', for, mistakenly or otherwise, doing what he felt he needed to do to protect his family. It's a political witch hunt. I don't approve of mob rule, whether that mob consists of an angry crowd or a Twitter pile on.
Strange Corbyn had it for years.
I dont remember your outrage at the mob then
I was always very even-handed with Corbyn.
ROFL, your credibility is going down the toilet with this bile.
If it was justified for Corbyn, it's justified for Cummings. End of story.
You're barking up the wrong tree if you think I have or want any 'credibility' here. I speak as I find, even if I'm in a minority of one.
That's the most puzzling thing about this whole affair. Some people seem genuinely offended if we don't automatically genuflect at the feet of the government's most vicious critics.
Personally I change my expressed opinion when I ... change my actual opinion. Fuck knows what some other drones do.
I wait until I get my latest set of sealed orders. Did you not get the PBTory memo?
1. If my wife caught this I would consider myself absolutely nailed on to get it. We do not maintain social distancing, not even in lockdown. Sometimes we get very close indeed. Spreading in families is, unsurprisingly, the most common method of transmission. Of course he considered, correctly, that there was a high probability that he would get it too.
2. Pure speculation. Are you seriously saying that the guidance should not have provided for exceptional steps being taken by a parent charged with looking after a child? I mean, really?
3. Just maybe Boris had other things to worry about. Like being ill, having a child, running the country, trying to give some sort of direction to a fairly aimless Cabinet, that sort of thing.
4. Cummings has not provided any of the guidance or moralising to the public. He will not do so in the future either. And, subject to a possible second wave, most of this is going to be relaxation measures anyway. It's not great but this is being massively oversold.
Don't get me wrong. I really don't like the one rule for them and one for us aspect of this. I don't much care for the arrogance. If he has lied or had others lie on his behalf he should probably go. But this is a twitter storm at its maddest right now. Boris has to weigh up his utility in delivering the program he wants to deliver notwithstanding the virus against the embarrassment. He should do so coolly.
I shall now return to not commenting on this.
Interesting point of view.
Leaving aside the despicable Cummings and the abject Johnson, my observation is that countries with successful Covid-19 responses have very strict quarantining rules. If you have symptoms in South Korea, Hong Kong or Taiwan you get tagged and hit with a massive fine for taking one step outside your front. Or you get taken straight to a quarantine hospital.
This isn't an "embarrassment" or "mad twitter storm". It literally means 60 000, and counting, people are dead now who would have been alive.
Different countries, different systems.
There is no way that level of quarantine was possible in this country.
The establishment even opposed restriction on entry to this country.
If that's Labour it's their first mis-step in this - it will allow Tories to go on the attack about "harassing 4 year olds and their mothers" - especially since Cummings is reportedly in Downing St.
Big, big error from Labour. I would be surprised if Starmer sanctioned something so crass.
Doesn't seem like Starmer's style, but rather the sort of thing Momentum might get up to.
Starmer might well need to disassociate himself from it, if it turns out that those behind the stunt are Labour members.
Harassing someone's family at home, especially when you know that they are at work, is really not a good look. Doubly so when the person in question is a civil servant rather than a minister.
I've not been following the site today. Am I reading right now that the story is that Cummings has made multiple trips?
If so he should go.
I was willing yesterday to give the benefit of the doubt if it was for the welfare of a three year old. As a father of a three year old myself their safety must always come first.
However multiple trips without reasonable reasons is simply inexcusable if true.
I hope that's clear enough.
That's fine. But we do need to hear a heartfelt "sorry" from you. You lost some dignity with all the nonsense yesterday. An apology would go some way to restoring it.
Not at all.
I was responding to the facts at the time. If the facts are that a father was looking after a three year old then I will never object to that. Children come before politics.
If the facts are that there have been multiple trips then that wasn't something I knew yesterday and doesn't change what I said one iota.
When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?
I won't attack you for changing your mind, well done you. Unfortunately so many of your own side attack me for doing just that.
I won't. I think an unwillingness to ever change your mind shows an unwillingness to think critically.
If that's Labour it's their first mis-step in this - it will allow Tories to go on the attack about "harassing 4 year olds and their mothers" - especially since Cummings is reportedly in Downing St.
Live by the sword. Anyway, Cummings brought his child into it when he told his staff in Cabinet to defend him with the kid.
No it's never OK to harass infants. If you think that's living by the sword you're disgusting. You're worse than Cummings if that's what you think is acceptable.
I can't recall Cummings ever harassing anyone elses infants.
I've not been following the site today. Am I reading right now that the story is that Cummings has made multiple trips?
If so he should go.
I was willing yesterday to give the benefit of the doubt if it was for the welfare of a three year old. As a father of a three year old myself their safety must always come first.
However multiple trips without reasonable reasons is simply inexcusable if true.
I hope that's clear enough.
That's fine. But we do need to hear a heartfelt "sorry" from you. You lost some dignity with all the nonsense yesterday. An apology would go some way to restoring it.
Not at all.
I was responding to the facts at the time. If the facts are that a father was looking after a three year old then I will never object to that. Children come before politics.
If the facts are that there have been multiple trips then that wasn't something I knew yesterday and doesn't change what I said one iota.
When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?
In a frenzy of partisanship you placed your brain in a jar and swallowed whole the risible transformation of, 'He chose to self-isolate in more amenable surroundings' into, 'Fearing for welfare of small child, he acted as any father would' - and thus lost dignity.
Note that is continuity IDS Tweeting out Labour propaganda...
What's the betting that would were pumping out condemnatory tweets about Tim Montgomerie a couple of months ago over his Hungarian associations?
That sentence makes no sense at all, are you okay?
I'm pointing out that Tim Montgomerie was in recent months the face of evil to anti-Tories for his praise of Viktor Orban, but now his opinions are treated as gospel because it's politically convenient for them. Ergo, they are hypocrites.
Do I really have to spell out such simple things for you?
Yes. What does your operative phrase “that would were pumping” actually mean? When I was a kid my mum fed me alphabet soup and my resulting shit made more sense than that.
'Would' in that sentence was a typo for 'you'. How did you get on in school without being able to deduce things like that?
Obvious typos are not a completely different word made up of a twice the number of letters - so the most likely explanation, based on that and everything else you post, was that you were having some sort of aneurism. Hence my concern.
As for school, unexceptional. An unconditional offer from Oxford, a degree in history, a conversion course, an LL.M and a partnership in a City Law Firm. Mere bagatelle I accept.
You've never started a sentence then reworked its construction but neglected to alter a single word? OK.
You're not the only person to have been at Oxford, by the way.
If that's Labour it's their first mis-step in this - it will allow Tories to go on the attack about "harassing 4 year olds and their mothers" - especially since Cummings is reportedly in Downing St.
Live by the sword. Anyway, Cummings brought his child into it when he told his staff in Cabinet to defend him with the kid.
That Sir is rubbish!
Yeah, but that's politics now. One side had 10 years of using both the velvet glove and the iron fist, like Vote Leave and Leave.EU, so if the other side is fighting back with two hands as well, we can't really be surprised.
The piteous cries for 'kindness and tolerance' for a 'man and his family for decisions taken at a time of great stress and worry' are a sight to behold. Cumming's whole career as evidenced by his recent public performances has been based on him being a cnut, and he gave every sign of revelling in it when he was top dog.
If that's Labour it's their first mis-step in this - it will allow Tories to go on the attack about "harassing 4 year olds and their mothers" - especially since Cummings is reportedly in Downing St.
Live by the sword. Anyway, Cummings brought his child into it when he told his staff in Cabinet to defend him with the kid.
No it's never OK to harass infants. If you think that's living by the sword you're disgusting. You're worse than Cummings if that's what you think is acceptable.
I can't recall Cummings ever harassing anyone elses infants.
Absolutely true. He put them in danger though, by travelling North with his own infant when he was carrying a virus, and interacting with their families on the way.
I somehow still think sticking by Cummings helps Johnson in the medium term. As soon as Cummings falls the focus is switched to Johnson and what he knew.
Cummings also knows where all the bodies are buried.
I think Cummings is staying for now and Johnson is staying until the election.
Going to lay 2020 exit at 5 right NOW.
You can back Cummings to stay till June at 15/8 with Paddy Power or Betfair Sportsbook.
Thanks. I'm banned from all bookies unfortunately. Can only do Exchange and Spreads.
I've not been following the site today. Am I reading right now that the story is that Cummings has made multiple trips?
If so he should go.
I was willing yesterday to give the benefit of the doubt if it was for the welfare of a three year old. As a father of a three year old myself their safety must always come first.
However multiple trips without reasonable reasons is simply inexcusable if true.
I hope that's clear enough.
That's fine. But we do need to hear a heartfelt "sorry" from you. You lost some dignity with all the nonsense yesterday. An apology would go some way to restoring it.
Not at all.
I was responding to the facts at the time. If the facts are that a father was looking after a three year old then I will never object to that. Children come before politics.
If the facts are that there have been multiple trips then that wasn't something I knew yesterday and doesn't change what I said one iota.
When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?
In a frenzy of partisanship you placed your brain in a jar and swallowed whole the risible transformation of, 'He chose to self-isolate in more amenable surroundings' into, 'Fearing for welfare of small child, he acted as any father would' - and thus lost dignity.
It was sad to see.
Not at all. I never said that. I said that if he's done what he's done thinking it's in the best interests of his child then that's reasonable. I also said (as I've said all along) that every adult, every parent, must think for themselves.
I never said all father's would do the same thing that's ludicrous and doesn't match my philosophy of believing everyone is an individual who can act differently so why would I say that? That would be completely out of character. I don't believe in one size fits all solutions.
I haven't been following all the ins and outs, so perhaps this has already been discussed: why has this story come out now rather than at the time of the transgressions? Has Cummings perhaps been showing a reprehensible lack of zeal in propelling us towards a disastrous no-deal crash out on December 31st?
The golden rule is treat others as you'd like for yourself, maybe there is a silver rule that is treat others as they'd treat you, would Dom tell the hounds to back off if SKS bought a field for his mum, or would he smile?
I haven't been following all the ins and outs, so perhaps this has already been discussed: why has this story come out now rather than at the time of the transgressions? Has Cummings perhaps been showing a reprehensible lack of zeal in propelling us towards a disastrous no-deal crash out on December 31st?
It did but it wasn't picked up by a lot of people at the time. This time it's being picked up and the world is running with the hypocrisy.
The piteous cries for 'kindness and tolerance' for a 'man and his family for decisions taken at a time of great stress and worry' are a sight to behold. Cumming's whole career as evidenced by his recent public performances has been based on him being a cnut, and he gave every sign of revelling in it when he was top dog.
It's been a while since I have read the Sermon on the Mount, but don't think the idea behind 'kindness' or 'tolerance' is that we're kind or tolerant just to the people who deserve it.
Handy hint for any PBers thinking about giving birth to multiple personas, if your signature characteristic is being right about everything and winning EVERY argument, create at least one proxy that occasionally pops out a humble mea culpa.
If that's Labour it's their first mis-step in this - it will allow Tories to go on the attack about "harassing 4 year olds and their mothers" - especially since Cummings is reportedly in Downing St.
It said it was a group called "Led by Donkeys", I doubt Starmer is stupid enough to allow anything like this.
The piteous cries for 'kindness and tolerance' for a 'man and his family for decisions taken at a time of great stress and worry' are a sight to behold. Cumming's whole career as evidenced by his recent public performances has been based on him being a cnut, and he gave every sign of revelling in it when he was top dog.
It's been a while since I have read the Sermon on the Mount, but don't think the idea behind 'kindness' or 'tolerance' is that we're kind or tolerant just to the people who deserve it.
I look forward to you being as equally decisive when Alex Salmond's revelations hit the light of day ...
The piteous cries for 'kindness and tolerance' for a 'man and his family for decisions taken at a time of great stress and worry' are a sight to behold. Cumming's whole career as evidenced by his recent public performances has been based on him being a cnut, and he gave every sign of revelling in it when he was top dog.
It's been a while since I have read the Sermon on the Mount, but don't think the idea behind 'kindness' or 'tolerance' is that we're kind or tolerant just to the people who deserve it.
You come out with this stuff which in principle sounds good but unfortunately it only applies to people you support
If that's Labour it's their first mis-step in this - it will allow Tories to go on the attack about "harassing 4 year olds and their mothers" - especially since Cummings is reportedly in Downing St.
Live by the sword. Anyway, Cummings brought his child into it when he told his staff in Cabinet to defend him with the kid.
You're worse than Cummings if that's what you think is acceptable.
Except it's not a crime to criticise a politician who happens to be a father.
If that's Labour it's their first mis-step in this - it will allow Tories to go on the attack about "harassing 4 year olds and their mothers" - especially since Cummings is reportedly in Downing St.
Live by the sword. Anyway, Cummings brought his child into it when he told his staff in Cabinet to defend him with the kid.
That Sir is rubbish!
Yeah, but that's politics now. One side had 10 years of using both the velvet glove and the iron fist, like Vote Leave and Leave.EU, so if the other side is fighting back with two hands as well, we can't really be surprised.
I have no problem with your desire to take down Cummings. His wife and child are not acceptable collateral damage.
The government has the smell of political death about it. I've experienced this often over my long and sagacious time of analysing politics. That the government's supporters on here are aching to be able to accuse Sir Keir of instigating child abuse, sadly, says it all.
If that's Labour it's their first mis-step in this - it will allow Tories to go on the attack about "harassing 4 year olds and their mothers" - especially since Cummings is reportedly in Downing St.
Big, big error from Labour. I would be surprised if Starmer sanctioned something so crass.
Doesn't seem like Starmer's style, but rather the sort of thing Momentum might get up to.
Starmer might well need to disassociate himself from it, if it turns out that those behind the stunt are Labour members.
Harassing someone's family at home, especially when you know that they are at work, is really not a good look. Doubly so when the person in question is a civil servant rather than a minister.
It does sound like a Momentum stunt, or equally it could be some moronic foolishness from a red top paper.
The piteous cries for 'kindness and tolerance' for a 'man and his family for decisions taken at a time of great stress and worry' are a sight to behold. Cumming's whole career as evidenced by his recent public performances has been based on him being a cnut, and he gave every sign of revelling in it when he was top dog.
It's been a while since I have read the Sermon on the Mount, but don't think the idea behind 'kindness' or 'tolerance' is that we're kind or tolerant just to the people who deserve it.
You come out with this stuff which in principle sounds good but unfortunately it only applies to people you support
I'm not normally one for the daft press tactics but Cummings both needs and deserves to be hounded night and day for this
Good of you to disclose that when you particularly dislike someone you're prepared to set decency to one side.
Why are you defending Dom's hypocrisy?
I haven't defended his hypocrisy. I *have* criticised the slavering mob so desperate for his scalp that they send lorries into his street and are happy to see him 'hounded day and night', for, mistakenly or otherwise, doing what he felt he needed to do to protect his family. It's a political witch hunt. I don't approve of mob rule, whether that mob consists of an angry crowd or a Twitter pile on.
There cannot be one rule for Dominic Cummings and another for the British people.
I agree. Can you point to one 'British person' who stands to lose their job through bending lockdown guidelines due to a genuine family emergency?
But for client confidentiality I could point to plenty. Many of my clients have terminated employees for pretty harsh reasons during the lockdown. One or two employee clients too but I have fewer of those. Like a criminal lawyer, as much as I might privately disapprove, I have to do my best for the client. But many are very harsh.
Note that is continuity IDS Tweeting out Labour propaganda...
What's the betting that would were pumping out condemnatory tweets about Tim Montgomerie a couple of months ago over his Hungarian associations?
That sentence makes no sense at all, are you okay?
I'm pointing out that Tim Montgomerie was in recent months the face of evil to anti-Tories for his praise of Viktor Orban, but now his opinions are treated as gospel because it's politically convenient for them. Ergo, they are hypocrites.
Do I really have to spell out such simple things for you?
Yes. What does your operative phrase “that would were pumping” actually mean? When I was a kid my mum fed me alphabet soup and my resulting shit made more sense than that.
'Would' in that sentence was a typo for 'you'. How did you get on in school without being able to deduce things like that?
Obvious typos are not a completely different word made up of a twice the number of letters - so the most likely explanation, based on that and everything else you post, was that you were having some sort of aneurism. Hence my concern.
As for school, unexceptional. An unconditional offer from Oxford, a degree in history, a conversion course, an LL.M and a partnership in a City Law Firm. Mere bagatelle I accept.
You've never started a sentence then reworked its construction but neglected to alter a single word? OK.
You're not the only person to have been at Oxford, by the way.
Hmm. The original email is carefully ambiguous. The Poly up Headington Hill? The Secretarial College? The footie club down the Abingdon Road?
I don't especially believe the explanation put out by Tories that Cummings was struggling with his conscience (if he has one) to do the right thing by his family (however misguided). Obviously he put his own convenience ahead of the public good. It is not at all obvious that he was guided by the wellbeing of his young child. At the very least he is not being honest about what his dilemma actually was,if it existed at all.
What the header doesn't seem to consider, few people have, is that Cummings was quite ill last year and delayed an operation to join the Tory GE campaign. I guess with a virus that kills people with underlying conditions spreading through the country, and into his house, he thought he might get quite ill without neeing to be a superforecaster.
Also, he wanted a break in Feb and to do fewer hours thereafter... Dom's wargamed it?!!
"Dominic Cummings, the Prime Minister’s most senior adviser, will quit his role in the New Year if he is unable to negotiate a pared back position in Downing Street, i can reveal.
Mr Cummings, who is widely credited for masterminding both Brexit and the Tories’ thumping election victory, is due to take a leave of absence in February for an operation that has been repeatedly postponed since he joined the Government.
The 48-year-old will use the break to renegotiate his contract in a bid to cut down his hours and spend more time with his family after a gruelling six months in government that has seen Downing Street thrash out a new Brexit deal and win a general election."
I somehow still think sticking by Cummings helps Johnson in the medium term. As soon as Cummings falls the focus is switched to Johnson and what he knew.
Cummings also knows where all the bodies are buried.
I think Cummings is staying for now and Johnson is staying until the election.
Going to lay 2020 exit at 5 right NOW.
You can back Cummings to stay till June at 15/8 with Paddy Power or Betfair Sportsbook.
Thanks. I'm banned from all bookies unfortunately. Can only do Exchange and Spreads.
Do you think Dom is going?
Not sure tbh. At risk of smug aftertiming, I backed Dom to stay and to go, both at 11/4, both with the same book and within 24 hours or so. The market has been remarkably volatile and still is.
If that's Labour it's their first mis-step in this - it will allow Tories to go on the attack about "harassing 4 year olds and their mothers" - especially since Cummings is reportedly in Downing St.
It said it was a group called "Led by Donkeys", I doubt Starmer is stupid enough to allow anything like this.
Ah, that mob.
They were the guys renting billboards with sarcastic remain-in-the-EU memes during the referendum and subsequent election campaigns.
I'll take a wild guess that they really don't like Dominic Cummings.
I somehow still think sticking by Cummings helps Johnson in the medium term. As soon as Cummings falls the focus is switched to Johnson and what he knew.
Cummings also knows where all the bodies are buried.
Re your first two sentences although I agree it will switch to what Boris knew I don't think that lasts for long. It was the doing that was the serious offence, not knowing he did it. I think Johnson can bluster through that ok.
That rather depends on whether Boris just knew or whether he approved it. Or even advised him to do it.
The piteous cries for 'kindness and tolerance' for a 'man and his family for decisions taken at a time of great stress and worry' are a sight to behold. Cumming's whole career as evidenced by his recent public performances has been based on him being a cnut, and he gave every sign of revelling in it when he was top dog.
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Do I really have to spell out such simple things for you?
I thought he went to Durham / Bamber Castle every Sunday
If it was justified for Corbyn, it's justified for Cummings. End of story.
Leaving aside the despicable Cummings and the abject Johnson, my observation is that countries with successful Covid-19 responses have very strict quarantining rules. If you have symptoms in South Korea, Hong Kong or Taiwan you get tagged and hit with a massive fine for taking one step outside your front. Or you get taken straight to a quarantine hospital.
This isn't an "embarrassment" or "mad twitter storm". It literally means 60 000, and counting, people are dead now who would have been alive.
This could be a Black Friday moment for Boris, blogging it for a week or two might cause less long term stress for him.
I was responding to the facts at the time. If the facts are that a father was looking after a three year old then I will never object to that. Children come before politics.
If the facts are that there have been multiple trips then that wasn't something I knew yesterday and doesn't change what I said one iota.
When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?
1. Due to US sanctions Huawei won't be able to purchase components, license US IP, or access manufacturing like TSMC. This will make it very difficult for them to supply and maintain the networking equipment the carriers need.
2. You don't want to build a network using a supplier who can't reliably supply equipment.
3. Therefore don't buy Huawei.
Done.
I will never tire of it.
Personally I change my expressed opinion when I ... change my actual opinion. Fuck knows what some other drones do.
Some self awareness at least.
As for school, unexceptional. An unconditional offer from Oxford, a degree in history, a conversion course, an LL.M and a partnership in a City Law Firm. Mere bagatelle I accept.
There is no way that level of quarantine was possible in this country.
The establishment even opposed restriction on entry to this country.
Starmer might well need to disassociate himself from it, if it turns out that those behind the stunt are Labour members.
Harassing someone's family at home, especially when you know that they are at work, is really not a good look. Doubly so when the person in question is a civil servant rather than a minister.
Now, I'm off for a ride on my gold plated rocket car. I don't need anything else.
I can't recall Cummings ever harassing anyone elses infants.
It was sad to see.
You're not the only person to have been at Oxford, by the way.
https://twitter.com/PrueLeith/status/1264474272925396992?s=20
Investigation coming on, get your popcorn
I never said all father's would do the same thing that's ludicrous and doesn't match my philosophy of believing everyone is an individual who can act differently so why would I say that? That would be completely out of character. I don't believe in one size fits all solutions.
But some are better at hiding it.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-dominic-cummings-must-go/amp
Also, he wanted a break in Feb and to do fewer hours thereafter... Dom's wargamed it?!!
"Dominic Cummings, the Prime Minister’s most senior adviser, will quit his role in the New Year if he is unable to negotiate a pared back position in Downing Street, i can reveal.
Mr Cummings, who is widely credited for masterminding both Brexit and the Tories’ thumping election victory, is due to take a leave of absence in February for an operation that has been repeatedly postponed since he joined the Government.
The 48-year-old will use the break to renegotiate his contract in a bid to cut down his hours and spend more time with his family after a gruelling six months in government that has seen Downing Street thrash out a new Brexit deal and win a general election."
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/dominic-cummings-could-quit-boris-johnsons-government-if-hes-unable-to-cut-down-hours-1345990
They were the guys renting billboards with sarcastic remain-in-the-EU memes during the referendum and subsequent election campaigns.
I'll take a wild guess that they really don't like Dominic Cummings.