What the header doesn't seem to consider, few people have, is that Cummings was quite ill last year and delayed an operation to join the Tory GE campaign. Also, he wanted a break in Feb and to do fewer hours thereafter... Dom's wargamed it!!
"Dominic Cummings, the Prime Minister’s most senior adviser, will quit his role in the New Year if he is unable to negotiate a pared back position in Downing Street, i can reveal.
Mr Cummings, who is widely credited for masterminding both Brexit and the Tories’ thumping election victory, is due to take a leave of absence in February for an operation that has been repeatedly postponed since he joined the Government.
The 48-year-old will use the break to renegotiate his contract in a bid to cut down his hours and spend more time with his family after a gruelling six months in government that has seen Downing Street thrash out a new Brexit deal and win a general election."
Note that is continuity IDS Tweeting out Labour propaganda...
What's the betting that would were pumping out condemnatory tweets about Tim Montgomerie a couple of months ago over his Hungarian associations?
That sentence makes no sense at all, are you okay?
I'm pointing out that Tim Montgomerie was in recent months the face of evil to anti-Tories for his praise of Viktor Orban, but now his opinions are treated as gospel because it's politically convenient for them. Ergo, they are hypocrites.
Do I really have to spell out such simple things for you?
Yes. What does your operative phrase “that would were pumping” actually mean? When I was a kid my mum fed me alphabet soup and my resulting shit made more sense than that.
'Would' in that sentence was a typo for 'you'. How did you get on in school without being able to deduce things like that?
Obvious typos are not a completely different word made up of a twice the number of letters - so the most likely explanation, based on that and everything else you post, was that you were having some sort of aneurism. Hence my concern.
As for school, unexceptional. An unconditional offer from Oxford, a degree in history, a conversion course, an LL.M and a partnership in a City Law Firm. Mere bagatelle I accept.
You've never started a sentence then reworked its construction but neglected to alter a single word? OK.
You're not the only person to have been at Oxford, by the way.
Hmm. The original email is carefully ambiguous. The Poly up Headington Hill? The Secretarial College? The footie club down the Abingdon Road?
Nope, an actual ancient Oxford college. But since neither of us is likely to post our degree certificates on PB, you can choose to believe or disbelieve either of us as you please.
What the header doesn't seem to consider, few people have, is that Cummings was quite ill last year and delayed an operation to join the Tory GE campaign. Also, he wanted a break in Feb and to do fewer hours thereafter... Dom's wargamed it!!
"Dominic Cummings, the Prime Minister’s most senior adviser, will quit his role in the New Year if he is unable to negotiate a pared back position in Downing Street, i can reveal.
Mr Cummings, who is widely credited for masterminding both Brexit and the Tories’ thumping election victory, is due to take a leave of absence in February for an operation that has been repeatedly postponed since he joined the Government.
The 48-year-old will use the break to renegotiate his contract in a bid to cut down his hours and spend more time with his family after a gruelling six months in government that has seen Downing Street thrash out a new Brexit deal and win a general election."
You think we should be feeling sorry for him? Jog on
For some reason my mind conjures up one of those large food processing machines, all shiny chrome, slicing onions as quickly as one can open sacks of them and shovel them into the hopper ...
What the header doesn't seem to consider, few people have, is that Cummings was quite ill last year and delayed an operation to join the Tory GE campaign. Also, he wanted a break in Feb and to do fewer hours thereafter... Dom's wargamed it!!
"Dominic Cummings, the Prime Minister’s most senior adviser, will quit his role in the New Year if he is unable to negotiate a pared back position in Downing Street, i can reveal.
Mr Cummings, who is widely credited for masterminding both Brexit and the Tories’ thumping election victory, is due to take a leave of absence in February for an operation that has been repeatedly postponed since he joined the Government.
The 48-year-old will use the break to renegotiate his contract in a bid to cut down his hours and spend more time with his family after a gruelling six months in government that has seen Downing Street thrash out a new Brexit deal and win a general election."
You think we should be feeling sorry for him? Jog on
I dont care if you do or not, but I think it answers the point, as to why he thought he might get it bad when people in their forties generally dont, that Alastair made in the header
If that's Labour it's their first mis-step in this - it will allow Tories to go on the attack about "harassing 4 year olds and their mothers" - especially since Cummings is reportedly in Downing St.
Live by the sword. Anyway, Cummings brought his child into it when he told his staff in Cabinet to defend him with the kid.
That Sir is rubbish!
Yeah, but that's politics now. One side had 10 years of using both the velvet glove and the iron fist, like Vote Leave and Leave.EU, so if the other side is fighting back with two hands as well, we can't really be surprised.
I have no problem with your desire to take down Cummings. His wife and child are not acceptable collateral damage.
Live by the sword..............he reaps what he sows, in his immortal words who cares what he thinks
If that's Labour it's their first mis-step in this - it will allow Tories to go on the attack about "harassing 4 year olds and their mothers" - especially since Cummings is reportedly in Downing St.
It said it was a group called "Led by Donkeys", I doubt Starmer is stupid enough to allow anything like this.
The piteous cries for 'kindness and tolerance' for a 'man and his family for decisions taken at a time of great stress and worry' are a sight to behold. Cumming's whole career as evidenced by his recent public performances has been based on him being a cnut, and he gave every sign of revelling in it when he was top dog.
It's been a while since I have read the Sermon on the Mount, but don't think the idea behind 'kindness' or 'tolerance' is that we're kind or tolerant just to the people who deserve it.
Virtue without terror is powerless so fuck kindness, fuck tolerance and fuck the Islington Baldrick.
The piteous cries for 'kindness and tolerance' for a 'man and his family for decisions taken at a time of great stress and worry' are a sight to behold. Cumming's whole career as evidenced by his recent public performances has been based on him being a cnut, and he gave every sign of revelling in it when he was top dog.
It's been a while since I have read the Sermon on the Mount, but don't think the idea behind 'kindness' or 'tolerance' is that we're kind or tolerant just to the people who deserve it.
I look forward to you being as equally decisive when Alex Salmond's revelations hit the light of day ...
LOL, I think you have got Lucky confused with an independence supporter...ha ha ha
What the header doesn't seem to consider, few people have, is that Cummings was quite ill last year and delayed an operation to join the Tory GE campaign. Also, he wanted a break in Feb and to do fewer hours thereafter... Dom's wargamed it!!
"Dominic Cummings, the Prime Minister’s most senior adviser, will quit his role in the New Year if he is unable to negotiate a pared back position in Downing Street, i can reveal.
Mr Cummings, who is widely credited for masterminding both Brexit and the Tories’ thumping election victory, is due to take a leave of absence in February for an operation that has been repeatedly postponed since he joined the Government.
The 48-year-old will use the break to renegotiate his contract in a bid to cut down his hours and spend more time with his family after a gruelling six months in government that has seen Downing Street thrash out a new Brexit deal and win a general election."
You think we should be feeling sorry for him? Jog on
I dont care if you do or not, but I think it answers the point, as to why he thought he might get it bad when people in their forties generally dont, that Alastair made in the header
In which case, Mr Cummings was even less wise to drive all that way. He had no way of knowing whether he had caught the bug at the saqme time as Mrs C in which case there[edited for typo] was a real risk that he could well be utterly laid low somewhere like Leicester Forest East, with an incapacitated wife and small child to be looked after.
The piteous cries for 'kindness and tolerance' for a 'man and his family for decisions taken at a time of great stress and worry' are a sight to behold. Cumming's whole career as evidenced by his recent public performances has been based on him being a cnut, and he gave every sign of revelling in it when he was top dog.
It's been a while since I have read the Sermon on the Mount, but don't think the idea behind 'kindness' or 'tolerance' is that we're kind or tolerant just to the people who deserve it.
You come out with this stuff which in principle sounds good but unfortunately it only applies to people you support
No, of course it doesn't.
The principle of the quoted post was that it was OK not to be kind or tolerant to someone if they are a bit of a shit themselves. That is patently bogus, and anyone who 'withholds' kindness on the basis of the deservingness or undeservingness of the recipient isn't really kind.
The piteous cries for 'kindness and tolerance' for a 'man and his family for decisions taken at a time of great stress and worry' are a sight to behold. Cumming's whole career as evidenced by his recent public performances has been based on him being a cnut, and he gave every sign of revelling in it when he was top dog.
It's been a while since I have read the Sermon on the Mount, but don't think the idea behind 'kindness' or 'tolerance' is that we're kind or tolerant just to the people who deserve it.
I look forward to you being as equally decisive when Alex Salmond's revelations hit the light of day ...
LOL, I think you have got Lucky confused with an independence supporter...ha ha ha
I don't especially believe the explanation put out by Tories that Cummings was struggling with his conscience (if he has one) to do the right thing by his family (however misguided). Obviously he put his own convenience ahead of the public good. It is not at all obvious that he was guided by the wellbeing of his young child. At the very least he is not being honest about what his dilemma actually was,if it existed at all.
He did not fancy self-isolating in London. Preferred to do it up in Durham. Thus made the move. Perfectly understandable. But also, alas, perfectly 100% against the government instructions. Therefore for a person in his position indefensible. I don't think this is a toughie. There really is no other tenable conclusion.
The piteous cries for 'kindness and tolerance' for a 'man and his family for decisions taken at a time of great stress and worry' are a sight to behold. Cumming's whole career as evidenced by his recent public performances has been based on him being a cnut, and he gave every sign of revelling in it when he was top dog.
It's been a while since I have read the Sermon on the Mount, but don't think the idea behind 'kindness' or 'tolerance' is that we're kind or tolerant just to the people who deserve it.
You come out with this stuff which in principle sounds good but unfortunately it only applies to people you support
No, of course it doesn't.
The principle of the quoted post was that it was OK not to be kind or tolerant to someone if they are a bit of a shit themselves. That is patently bogus, and anyone who 'withholds' kindness on the basis of the deservingness or undeservingness of the recipient isn't really kind.
I guarantee when a Labour MP or adviser gets embroiled in something, you will be calling for their head straight away, as will the other Tories.
It's not the hypocrisy I hate, it's the arrogance of the PB Tories that they think we can't see just how incredibly partial they are. Yet the arrogance displayed is a sight every time.
If that's Labour it's their first mis-step in this - it will allow Tories to go on the attack about "harassing 4 year olds and their mothers" - especially since Cummings is reportedly in Downing St.
Live by the sword. Anyway, Cummings brought his child into it when he told his staff in Cabinet to defend him with the kid.
That Sir is rubbish!
Yeah, but that's politics now. One side had 10 years of using both the velvet glove and the iron fist, like Vote Leave and Leave.EU, so if the other side is fighting back with two hands as well, we can't really be surprised.
I have no problem with your desire to take down Cummings. His wife and child are not acceptable collateral damage.
Live by the sword..............he reaps what he sows, in his immortal words who cares what he thinks
I don't care what he thinks Malcolm, but his child did not ask to have such a hideous oik for a father so the child should be left out of all the nastiness.
Note that is continuity IDS Tweeting out Labour propaganda...
What's the betting that would were pumping out condemnatory tweets about Tim Montgomerie a couple of months ago over his Hungarian associations?
That sentence makes no sense at all, are you okay?
I'm pointing out that Tim Montgomerie was in recent months the face of evil to anti-Tories for his praise of Viktor Orban, but now his opinions are treated as gospel because it's politically convenient for them. Ergo, they are hypocrites.
Do I really have to spell out such simple things for you?
Yes. What does your operative phrase “that would were pumping” actually mean? When I was a kid my mum fed me alphabet soup and my resulting shit made more sense than that.
'Would' in that sentence was a typo for 'you'. How did you get on in school without being able to deduce things like that?
Obvious typos are not a completely different word made up of a twice the number of letters - so the most likely explanation, based on that and everything else you post, was that you were having some sort of aneurism. Hence my concern.
As for school, unexceptional. An unconditional offer from Oxford, a degree in history, a conversion course, an LL.M and a partnership in a City Law Firm. Mere bagatelle I accept.
You've never started a sentence then reworked its construction but neglected to alter a single word? OK.
You're not the only person to have been at Oxford, by the way.
You’re joking! Thinking about it, though, there were indeed an awful lot of other people round about my age hanging about there at the time...including my future wife, so you might just be right about that! Thank you! Your profound insight continues to impress.
If that's Labour it's their first mis-step in this - it will allow Tories to go on the attack about "harassing 4 year olds and their mothers" - especially since Cummings is reportedly in Downing St.
It said it was a group called "Led by Donkeys", I doubt Starmer is stupid enough to allow anything like this.
Note that is continuity IDS Tweeting out Labour propaganda...
What's the betting that would were pumping out condemnatory tweets about Tim Montgomerie a couple of months ago over his Hungarian associations?
That sentence makes no sense at all, are you okay?
I'm pointing out that Tim Montgomerie was in recent months the face of evil to anti-Tories for his praise of Viktor Orban, but now his opinions are treated as gospel because it's politically convenient for them. Ergo, they are hypocrites.
Do I really have to spell out such simple things for you?
Yes. What does your operative phrase “that would were pumping” actually mean? When I was a kid my mum fed me alphabet soup and my resulting shit made more sense than that.
'Would' in that sentence was a typo for 'you'. How did you get on in school without being able to deduce things like that?
Obvious typos are not a completely different word made up of a twice the number of letters - so the most likely explanation, based on that and everything else you post, was that you were having some sort of aneurism. Hence my concern.
As for school, unexceptional. An unconditional offer from Oxford, a degree in history, a conversion course, an LL.M and a partnership in a City Law Firm. Mere bagatelle I accept.
You've never started a sentence then reworked its construction but neglected to alter a single word? OK.
You're not the only person to have been at Oxford, by the way.
Hmm. The original email is carefully ambiguous. The Poly up Headington Hill? The Secretarial College? The footie club down the Abingdon Road?
What the header doesn't seem to consider, few people have, is that Cummings was quite ill last year and delayed an operation to join the Tory GE campaign. Also, he wanted a break in Feb and to do fewer hours thereafter... Dom's wargamed it!!
"Dominic Cummings, the Prime Minister’s most senior adviser, will quit his role in the New Year if he is unable to negotiate a pared back position in Downing Street, i can reveal.
Mr Cummings, who is widely credited for masterminding both Brexit and the Tories’ thumping election victory, is due to take a leave of absence in February for an operation that has been repeatedly postponed since he joined the Government.
The 48-year-old will use the break to renegotiate his contract in a bid to cut down his hours and spend more time with his family after a gruelling six months in government that has seen Downing Street thrash out a new Brexit deal and win a general election."
You think we should be feeling sorry for him? Jog on
I dont care if you do or not, but I think it answers the point, as to why he thought he might get it bad when people in their forties generally dont, that Alastair made in the header
In which case, Mr Cummings was even less wise to drive all that way. He had no way of knowing whether he had caught the bug at the saqme time as Mrs C in which case there[edited for typo] was a real risk that he could well be utterly laid low somewhere like Leicester Forest East, with an incapacitated wife and small child to be looked after.
We still don't really know whether his symptoms had started when he drove up there, do we?
Note that is continuity IDS Tweeting out Labour propaganda...
What's the betting that would were pumping out condemnatory tweets about Tim Montgomerie a couple of months ago over his Hungarian associations?
That sentence makes no sense at all, are you okay?
I'm pointing out that Tim Montgomerie was in recent months the face of evil to anti-Tories for his praise of Viktor Orban, but now his opinions are treated as gospel because it's politically convenient for them. Ergo, they are hypocrites.
Do I really have to spell out such simple things for you?
Yes. What does your operative phrase “that would were pumping” actually mean? When I was a kid my mum fed me alphabet soup and my resulting shit made more sense than that.
'Would' in that sentence was a typo for 'you'. How did you get on in school without being able to deduce things like that?
Obvious typos are not a completely different word made up of a twice the number of letters - so the most likely explanation, based on that and everything else you post, was that you were having some sort of aneurism. Hence my concern.
As for school, unexceptional. An unconditional offer from Oxford, a degree in history, a conversion course, an LL.M and a partnership in a City Law Firm. Mere bagatelle I accept.
You've never started a sentence then reworked its construction but neglected to alter a single word? OK.
You're not the only person to have been at Oxford, by the way.
You’re joking! Thinking about it, though, there were indeed an awful lot of other people round about my age hanging about there at the time...including my future wife, so you might just be right about that! Thank you! Your profound insight continues to impress.
You really can't take it when people don't instantly bend to your will, can you? Please don't tell me it was one of the crap colleges
The piteous cries for 'kindness and tolerance' for a 'man and his family for decisions taken at a time of great stress and worry' are a sight to behold. Cumming's whole career as evidenced by his recent public performances has been based on him being a cnut, and he gave every sign of revelling in it when he was top dog.
It's been a while since I have read the Sermon on the Mount, but don't think the idea behind 'kindness' or 'tolerance' is that we're kind or tolerant just to the people who deserve it.
I look forward to you being as equally decisive when Alex Salmond's revelations hit the light of day ...
LOL, I think you have got Lucky confused with an independence supporter...ha ha ha
I look forward to the day when Rooty's iq advances to the point where he's understood a post and managed a vaguely coherent reply to it. Not hopeful.
Those words to journalists outside Cummings' home yesterday look to have been a tactical mistake, if the Labour video is anything to go by.
Almost as big a tactical mistake as blockading his innocent wife and child inside their house today.
Do you know who is camped outside Cummings' gaff? It could be some false-flag Tory mischief for all you know, or some knob journalist, there again it could be Jeremy Corbyn, he lives nearby.
The piteous cries for 'kindness and tolerance' for a 'man and his family for decisions taken at a time of great stress and worry' are a sight to behold. Cumming's whole career as evidenced by his recent public performances has been based on him being a cnut, and he gave every sign of revelling in it when he was top dog.
It's been a while since I have read the Sermon on the Mount, but don't think the idea behind 'kindness' or 'tolerance' is that we're kind or tolerant just to the people who deserve it.
I look forward to you being as equally decisive when Alex Salmond's revelations hit the light of day ...
LOL, I think you have got Lucky confused with an independence supporter...ha ha ha
I look forward to the day when Rooty's iq advances to the point where he's understood a post and managed a vaguely coherent reply to it. Not hopeful.
My God - a simple expression of loyalty and human sympathy. It's like a gust of pure air amidst the mephitic vapours swirling around.
If the moron is so thick that he does not realise his sycophantic guff re his pal is not appropriate and has not the brain cells to see it was totally wrong then he deserves all the opprobrium he is getting. If it is wrong and it is then it is wrong even if your pal did it , the guff about dying etc just shows what a complete and utter tosser he is.
What the header doesn't seem to consider, few people have, is that Cummings was quite ill last year and delayed an operation to join the Tory GE campaign. Also, he wanted a break in Feb and to do fewer hours thereafter... Dom's wargamed it!!
"Dominic Cummings, the Prime Minister’s most senior adviser, will quit his role in the New Year if he is unable to negotiate a pared back position in Downing Street, i can reveal.
Mr Cummings, who is widely credited for masterminding both Brexit and the Tories’ thumping election victory, is due to take a leave of absence in February for an operation that has been repeatedly postponed since he joined the Government.
The 48-year-old will use the break to renegotiate his contract in a bid to cut down his hours and spend more time with his family after a gruelling six months in government that has seen Downing Street thrash out a new Brexit deal and win a general election."
You think we should be feeling sorry for him? Jog on
I dont care if you do or not, but I think it answers the point, as to why he thought he might get it bad when people in their forties generally dont, that Alastair made in the header
In which case, Mr Cummings was even less wise to drive all that way. He had no way of knowing whether he had caught the bug at the saqme time as Mrs C in which case there[edited for typo] was a real risk that he could well be utterly laid low somewhere like Leicester Forest East, with an incapacitated wife and small child to be looked after.
We still don't really know whether his symptoms had started when he drove up there, do we?
I somehow still think sticking by Cummings helps Johnson in the medium term. As soon as Cummings falls the focus is switched to Johnson and what he knew.
Cummings also knows where all the bodies are buried.
I think Cummings is staying for now and Johnson is staying until the election.
Going to lay 2020 exit at 5 right NOW.
You can back Cummings to stay till June at 15/8 with Paddy Power or Betfair Sportsbook.
Thanks. I'm banned from all bookies unfortunately. Can only do Exchange and Spreads.
Do you think Dom is going?
Not sure tbh. At risk of smug aftertiming, I backed Dom to stay and to go, both at 11/4, both with the same book and within 24 hours or so. The market has been remarkably volatile and still is.
- that IS smug city.
I've laid the Johnson 2020 exit at under 5 anyway. Happy with that. Bet I can back that back at 15 by mid-summer.
Those words to journalists outside Cummings' home yesterday look to have been a tactical mistake, if the Labour video is anything to go by.
Almost as big a tactical mistake as blockading his innocent wife and child inside their house today.
Do you know who is camped outside Cummings' gaff? It could be some false-flag Tory mischief for all you know, or some knob journalist, there again it could be Jeremy Corbyn, he lives nearby.
I'm sure the local police would deal with any actual blockade, anyway.
I'm not normally one for the daft press tactics but Cummings both needs and deserves to be hounded night and day for this
Good of you to disclose that when you particularly dislike someone you're prepared to set decency to one side.
Why are you defending Dom's hypocrisy?
I haven't defended his hypocrisy. I *have* criticised the slavering mob so desperate for his scalp that they send lorries into his street and are happy to see him 'hounded day and night', for, mistakenly or otherwise, doing what he felt he needed to do to protect his family. It's a political witch hunt. I don't approve of mob rule, whether that mob consists of an angry crowd or a Twitter pile on.
There cannot be one rule for Dominic Cummings and another for the British people.
I agree. Can you point to one 'British person' who stands to lose their job through bending lockdown guidelines due to a genuine family emergency?
But for client confidentiality I could point to plenty. Many of my clients have terminated employees for pretty harsh reasons during the lockdown. One or two employee clients too but I have fewer of those. Like a criminal lawyer, as much as I might privately disapprove, I have to do my best for the client. But many are very harsh.
If you agree that removing somebody's livelihood for bending lockdown rules during a family emergency is unfair (or 'very harsh' in your words), then I am not sure what we're arguing about.
I can take or leave Cummings as it happens. I thought 'Take back control' was a rubbish slogan and Vote Leave was a mess that cost Leave a more emphatic victory.
What the header doesn't seem to consider, few people have, is that Cummings was quite ill last year and delayed an operation to join the Tory GE campaign. Also, he wanted a break in Feb and to do fewer hours thereafter... Dom's wargamed it!!
"Dominic Cummings, the Prime Minister’s most senior adviser, will quit his role in the New Year if he is unable to negotiate a pared back position in Downing Street, i can reveal.
Mr Cummings, who is widely credited for masterminding both Brexit and the Tories’ thumping election victory, is due to take a leave of absence in February for an operation that has been repeatedly postponed since he joined the Government.
The 48-year-old will use the break to renegotiate his contract in a bid to cut down his hours and spend more time with his family after a gruelling six months in government that has seen Downing Street thrash out a new Brexit deal and win a general election."
You think we should be feeling sorry for him? Jog on
I dont care if you do or not, but I think it answers the point, as to why he thought he might get it bad when people in their forties generally dont, that Alastair made in the header
In which case, Mr Cummings was even less wise to drive all that way. He had no way of knowing whether he had caught the bug at the saqme time as Mrs C in which case there[edited for typo] was a real risk that he could well be utterly laid low somewhere like Leicester Forest East, with an incapacitated wife and small child to be looked after.
We still don't really know whether his symptoms had started when he drove up there, do we?
No. But Mrs C's had, anyway.
Oh yes. The poor kid was certainly shut in the car with at least one infectious adult. Maybe two. Just because they fancied a fortnight in the country, essentially.
If that's Labour it's their first mis-step in this - it will allow Tories to go on the attack about "harassing 4 year olds and their mothers" - especially since Cummings is reportedly in Downing St.
Live by the sword. Anyway, Cummings brought his child into it when he told his staff in Cabinet to defend him with the kid.
That Sir is rubbish!
Yeah, but that's politics now. One side had 10 years of using both the velvet glove and the iron fist, like Vote Leave and Leave.EU, so if the other side is fighting back with two hands as well, we can't really be surprised.
I have no problem with your desire to take down Cummings. His wife and child are not acceptable collateral damage.
Live by the sword..............he reaps what he sows, in his immortal words who cares what he thinks
I don't care what he thinks Malcolm, but his child did not ask to have such a hideous oik for a father so the child should be left out of all the nastiness.
I agree Pete, but it is Cummings fault , as I said he is reaping what he sows to the detriment of his family.
Note that is continuity IDS Tweeting out Labour propaganda...
What's the betting that would were pumping out condemnatory tweets about Tim Montgomerie a couple of months ago over his Hungarian associations?
That sentence makes no sense at all, are you okay?
I'm pointing out that Tim Montgomerie was in recent months the face of evil to anti-Tories for his praise of Viktor Orban, but now his opinions are treated as gospel because it's politically convenient for them. Ergo, they are hypocrites.
Do I really have to spell out such simple things for you?
Yes. What does your operative phrase “that would were pumping” actually mean? When I was a kid my mum fed me alphabet soup and my resulting shit made more sense than that.
'Would' in that sentence was a typo for 'you'. How did you get on in school without being able to deduce things like that?
Obvious typos are not a completely different word made up of a twice the number of letters - so the most likely explanation, based on that and everything else you post, was that you were having some sort of aneurism. Hence my concern.
As for school, unexceptional. An unconditional offer from Oxford, a degree in history, a conversion course, an LL.M and a partnership in a City Law Firm. Mere bagatelle I accept.
You've never started a sentence then reworked its construction but neglected to alter a single word? OK.
You're not the only person to have been at Oxford, by the way.
You’re joking! Thinking about it, though, there were indeed an awful lot of other people round about my age hanging about there at the time...including my future wife, so you might just be right about that! Thank you! Your profound insight continues to impress.
You really can't take it when people don't instantly bend to your will, can you? Please don't tell me it was one of the crap colleges
Thanks but I am not interested in you bending to my will. I’m not into S&M - but I admire the honesty about your own proclivities.
Trinity. But for the virus I would have been at a retirement dinner on March 14 for my history tutor there. Jacob Rees-Mogg, who did the same course at the same college four years earlier, was also on the guest list. So, based on the calibre of JRM alone, a crap college.
I hope the retired teacher whistleblower in Barnard Castle keeps his head down. I wouldn't put it past the Tory gutter press (Daily Mail?...) to chase him and go through his bins etc, to try and locate some revenge....
I'm not normally one for the daft press tactics but Cummings both needs and deserves to be hounded night and day for this
Good of you to disclose that when you particularly dislike someone you're prepared to set decency to one side.
Why are you defending Dom's hypocrisy?
I haven't defended his hypocrisy. I *have* criticised the slavering mob so desperate for his scalp that they send lorries into his street and are happy to see him 'hounded day and night', for, mistakenly or otherwise, doing what he felt he needed to do to protect his family. It's a political witch hunt. I don't approve of mob rule, whether that mob consists of an angry crowd or a Twitter pile on.
There cannot be one rule for Dominic Cummings and another for the British people.
I agree. Can you point to one 'British person' who stands to lose their job through bending lockdown guidelines due to a genuine family emergency?
But for client confidentiality I could point to plenty. Many of my clients have terminated employees for pretty harsh reasons during the lockdown. One or two employee clients too but I have fewer of those. Like a criminal lawyer, as much as I might privately disapprove, I have to do my best for the client. But many are very harsh.
That's a downer of a job. You'd be working for Big Pharma against Julia Roberts.
Note that is continuity IDS Tweeting out Labour propaganda...
What's the betting that would were pumping out condemnatory tweets about Tim Montgomerie a couple of months ago over his Hungarian associations?
That sentence makes no sense at all, are you okay?
I'm pointing out that Tim Montgomerie was in recent months the face of evil to anti-Tories for his praise of Viktor Orban, but now his opinions are treated as gospel because it's politically convenient for them. Ergo, they are hypocrites.
Do I really have to spell out such simple things for you?
Yes. What does your operative phrase “that would were pumping” actually mean? When I was a kid my mum fed me alphabet soup and my resulting shit made more sense than that.
'Would' in that sentence was a typo for 'you'. How did you get on in school without being able to deduce things like that?
Obvious typos are not a completely different word made up of a twice the number of letters - so the most likely explanation, based on that and everything else you post, was that you were having some sort of aneurism. Hence my concern.
As for school, unexceptional. An unconditional offer from Oxford, a degree in history, a conversion course, an LL.M and a partnership in a City Law Firm. Mere bagatelle I accept.
You've never started a sentence then reworked its construction but neglected to alter a single word? OK.
You're not the only person to have been at Oxford, by the way.
You’re joking! Thinking about it, though, there were indeed an awful lot of other people round about my age hanging about there at the time...including my future wife, so you might just be right about that! Thank you! Your profound insight continues to impress.
You really can't take it when people don't instantly bend to your will, can you? Please don't tell me it was one of the crap colleges
Thanks but I am not interested in you bending to my will. I’m not into S&M - but I admire the honesty about your own proclivities.
Trinity. But for the virus I would have been at a retirement dinner on March 14 for my history tutor there. Jacob Rees-Mogg who did the same course at the same college four years earlier, was also on the guest list. So, based on the calibre of JRM alone, a crap college.
Gordouuuli! He's got a face like a ham, 'cos Bobby Johnson says so, and he should know...
What the header doesn't seem to consider, few people have, is that Cummings was quite ill last year and delayed an operation to join the Tory GE campaign. Also, he wanted a break in Feb and to do fewer hours thereafter... Dom's wargamed it!!
"Dominic Cummings, the Prime Minister’s most senior adviser, will quit his role in the New Year if he is unable to negotiate a pared back position in Downing Street, i can reveal.
Mr Cummings, who is widely credited for masterminding both Brexit and the Tories’ thumping election victory, is due to take a leave of absence in February for an operation that has been repeatedly postponed since he joined the Government.
The 48-year-old will use the break to renegotiate his contract in a bid to cut down his hours and spend more time with his family after a gruelling six months in government that has seen Downing Street thrash out a new Brexit deal and win a general election."
You think we should be feeling sorry for him? Jog on
I dont care if you do or not, but I think it answers the point, as to why he thought he might get it bad when people in their forties generally dont, that Alastair made in the header
In which case, Mr Cummings was even less wise to drive all that way. He had no way of knowing whether he had caught the bug at the saqme time as Mrs C in which case there[edited for typo] was a real risk that he could well be utterly laid low somewhere like Leicester Forest East, with an incapacitated wife and small child to be looked after.
We still don't really know whether his symptoms had started when he drove up there, do we?
Press reports on 30 March said he had symptoms. The first trip happened on the 31st.
I would think that if Tory MPs have started calling for Cummings to go it will be because they've had angry emails from many people they know are normally on their side. That would normally be a tipping point, but in these brazen times it may yet still be toughed out.
What the header doesn't seem to consider, few people have, is that Cummings was quite ill last year and delayed an operation to join the Tory GE campaign. Also, he wanted a break in Feb and to do fewer hours thereafter... Dom's wargamed it!!
"Dominic Cummings, the Prime Minister’s most senior adviser, will quit his role in the New Year if he is unable to negotiate a pared back position in Downing Street, i can reveal.
Mr Cummings, who is widely credited for masterminding both Brexit and the Tories’ thumping election victory, is due to take a leave of absence in February for an operation that has been repeatedly postponed since he joined the Government.
The 48-year-old will use the break to renegotiate his contract in a bid to cut down his hours and spend more time with his family after a gruelling six months in government that has seen Downing Street thrash out a new Brexit deal and win a general election."
You think we should be feeling sorry for him? Jog on
I dont care if you do or not, but I think it answers the point, as to why he thought he might get it bad when people in their forties generally dont, that Alastair made in the header
In which case, Mr Cummings was even less wise to drive all that way. He had no way of knowing whether he had caught the bug at the saqme time as Mrs C in which case there[edited for typo] was a real risk that he could well be utterly laid low somewhere like Leicester Forest East, with an incapacitated wife and small child to be looked after.
We still don't really know whether his symptoms had started when he drove up there, do we?
Press reports on 30 March said he had symptoms. The first trip happened on the 31st.
Does anyone know what the operation he was due to have in February was for, or and if he had it?
Note that is continuity IDS Tweeting out Labour propaganda...
What's the betting that would were pumping out condemnatory tweets about Tim Montgomerie a couple of months ago over his Hungarian associations?
That sentence makes no sense at all, are you okay?
I'm pointing out that Tim Montgomerie was in recent months the face of evil to anti-Tories for his praise of Viktor Orban, but now his opinions are treated as gospel because it's politically convenient for them. Ergo, they are hypocrites.
Do I really have to spell out such simple things for you?
Yes. What does your operative phrase “that would were pumping” actually mean? When I was a kid my mum fed me alphabet soup and my resulting shit made more sense than that.
'Would' in that sentence was a typo for 'you'. How did you get on in school without being able to deduce things like that?
Obvious typos are not a completely different word made up of a twice the number of letters - so the most likely explanation, based on that and everything else you post, was that you were having some sort of aneurism. Hence my concern.
As for school, unexceptional. An unconditional offer from Oxford, a degree in history, a conversion course, an LL.M and a partnership in a City Law Firm. Mere bagatelle I accept.
You've never started a sentence then reworked its construction but neglected to alter a single word? OK.
You're not the only person to have been at Oxford, by the way.
You’re joking! Thinking about it, though, there were indeed an awful lot of other people round about my age hanging about there at the time...including my future wife, so you might just be right about that! Thank you! Your profound insight continues to impress.
You really can't take it when people don't instantly bend to your will, can you? Please don't tell me it was one of the crap colleges
Thanks but I am not interested in you bending to my will. I’m not into S&M - but I admire the honesty about your own proclivities.
Trinity. But for the virus I would have been at a retirement dinner on March 14 for my history tutor there. Jacob Rees-Mogg who did the same course at the same college four years earlier, was also on the guest list. So, based on the calibre of JRM alone, a crap college.
Gordouuuli! He's got a face like a ham, 'cos Bobby Johnson says so, and he should know...
What the header doesn't seem to consider, few people have, is that Cummings was quite ill last year and delayed an operation to join the Tory GE campaign. Also, he wanted a break in Feb and to do fewer hours thereafter... Dom's wargamed it!!
"Dominic Cummings, the Prime Minister’s most senior adviser, will quit his role in the New Year if he is unable to negotiate a pared back position in Downing Street, i can reveal.
Mr Cummings, who is widely credited for masterminding both Brexit and the Tories’ thumping election victory, is due to take a leave of absence in February for an operation that has been repeatedly postponed since he joined the Government.
The 48-year-old will use the break to renegotiate his contract in a bid to cut down his hours and spend more time with his family after a gruelling six months in government that has seen Downing Street thrash out a new Brexit deal and win a general election."
You think we should be feeling sorry for him? Jog on
I dont care if you do or not, but I think it answers the point, as to why he thought he might get it bad when people in their forties generally dont, that Alastair made in the header
In which case, Mr Cummings was even less wise to drive all that way. He had no way of knowing whether he had caught the bug at the saqme time as Mrs C in which case there[edited for typo] was a real risk that he could well be utterly laid low somewhere like Leicester Forest East, with an incapacitated wife and small child to be looked after.
We still don't really know whether his symptoms had started when he drove up there, do we?
Press reports on 30 March said he had symptoms. The first trip happened on the 31st.
I don't think we know the date of the trip, do we? We know the police were told he was in Durham on that date, I think.
I don't especially believe the explanation put out by Tories that Cummings was struggling with his conscience (if he has one) to do the right thing by his family (however misguided). Obviously he put his own convenience ahead of the public good. It is not at all obvious that he was guided by the wellbeing of his young child. At the very least he is not being honest about what his dilemma actually was,if it existed at all.
He did not fancy self-isolating in London. Preferred to do it up in Durham. Thus made the move. Perfectly understandable. But also, alas, perfectly 100% against the government instructions. Therefore for a person in his position indefensible. I don't think this is a toughie. There really is no other tenable conclusion.
But I doubt he'll be going.
I buy that conclusion. Nevertheless Tories are making a claim for compassion on the grounds of a good father looking out for the wellbeing of his son. I have no basis to believe that he was doing that. At least he is not being honest about what was really going on. A Lutheran "Here I stand. I could do no other." doesn't cut it if we don't know what he is standing for and what the the other might be.
Note that is continuity IDS Tweeting out Labour propaganda...
What's the betting that would were pumping out condemnatory tweets about Tim Montgomerie a couple of months ago over his Hungarian associations?
That sentence makes no sense at all, are you okay?
I'm pointing out that Tim Montgomerie was in recent months the face of evil to anti-Tories for his praise of Viktor Orban, but now his opinions are treated as gospel because it's politically convenient for them. Ergo, they are hypocrites.
Do I really have to spell out such simple things for you?
Yes. What does your operative phrase “that would were pumping” actually mean? When I was a kid my mum fed me alphabet soup and my resulting shit made more sense than that.
'Would' in that sentence was a typo for 'you'. How did you get on in school without being able to deduce things like that?
Obvious typos are not a completely different word made up of a twice the number of letters - so the most likely explanation, based on that and everything else you post, was that you were having some sort of aneurism. Hence my concern.
As for school, unexceptional. An unconditional offer from Oxford, a degree in history, a conversion course, an LL.M and a partnership in a City Law Firm. Mere bagatelle I accept.
You've never started a sentence then reworked its construction but neglected to alter a single word? OK.
You're not the only person to have been at Oxford, by the way.
Hmm. The original email is carefully ambiguous. The Poly up Headington Hill? The Secretarial College? The footie club down the Abingdon Road?
Nope, an actual ancient Oxford college. But since neither of us is likely to post our degree certificates on PB, you can choose to believe or disbelieve either of us as you please.
LOL, the fanny Tories on here are always bragging about which Uni, which gold card , which 5 star hotel they frequent etc. Poor inferiority complexes, be interesting to compare them to the plebs who left school and do real jobs. I would not have lowered myself to go into a bunch of crapbags at Oxford/Cambridge etc, I cannot think of a worse punishment.
I'm not normally one for the daft press tactics but Cummings both needs and deserves to be hounded night and day for this
Good of you to disclose that when you particularly dislike someone you're prepared to set decency to one side.
Why are you defending Dom's hypocrisy?
I haven't defended his hypocrisy. I *have* criticised the slavering mob so desperate for his scalp that they send lorries into his street and are happy to see him 'hounded day and night', for, mistakenly or otherwise, doing what he felt he needed to do to protect his family. It's a political witch hunt. I don't approve of mob rule, whether that mob consists of an angry crowd or a Twitter pile on.
There cannot be one rule for Dominic Cummings and another for the British people.
I agree. Can you point to one 'British person' who stands to lose their job through bending lockdown guidelines due to a genuine family emergency?
Can you point me to a reason why Boris "needs" to keep Dom when there aren't any imminent referendum or election campaigns?
Note that is continuity IDS Tweeting out Labour propaganda...
What's the betting that would were pumping out condemnatory tweets about Tim Montgomerie a couple of months ago over his Hungarian associations?
That sentence makes no sense at all, are you okay?
I'm pointing out that Tim Montgomerie was in recent months the face of evil to anti-Tories for his praise of Viktor Orban, but now his opinions are treated as gospel because it's politically convenient for them. Ergo, they are hypocrites.
Do I really have to spell out such simple things for you?
Yes. What does your operative phrase “that would were pumping” actually mean? When I was a kid my mum fed me alphabet soup and my resulting shit made more sense than that.
'Would' in that sentence was a typo for 'you'. How did you get on in school without being able to deduce things like that?
Obvious typos are not a completely different word made up of a twice the number of letters - so the most likely explanation, based on that and everything else you post, was that you were having some sort of aneurism. Hence my concern.
As for school, unexceptional. An unconditional offer from Oxford, a degree in history, a conversion course, an LL.M and a partnership in a City Law Firm. Mere bagatelle I accept.
You've never started a sentence then reworked its construction but neglected to alter a single word? OK.
You're not the only person to have been at Oxford, by the way.
Hmm. The original email is carefully ambiguous. The Poly up Headington Hill? The Secretarial College? The footie club down the Abingdon Road?
Nope, an actual ancient Oxford college. But since neither of us is likely to post our degree certificates on PB, you can choose to believe or disbelieve either of us as you please.
LOL, the fanny Tories on here are always bragging about which Uni, which gold card , which 5 star hotel they frequent etc. Poor inferiority complexes, be interesting to compare them to the plebs who left school and do real jobs. I would not have lowered myself to go into a bunch of crapbags at Oxford/Cambridge etc, I cannot think of a worse punishment.
I am not a Tory. You, however, appear to have one as your profile avatar.
I would think that if Tory MPs have started calling for Cummings to go it will be because they've had angry emails from many people they know are normally on their side. That would normally be a tipping point, but in these brazen times it may yet still be toughed out.
Caroline Nokes' tweet explicitly makes that point:
"My inbox is rammed with very angry constituents and I do not blame them. They have made difficult sacrifices over the course of the last 9 weeks."
There will always be the usual suspects, of course. But that's water off a duck's back. It's perfectly obvious that the emails are not from the usual suspects.
If that's Labour it's their first mis-step in this - it will allow Tories to go on the attack about "harassing 4 year olds and their mothers" - especially since Cummings is reportedly in Downing St.
Live by the sword. Anyway, Cummings brought his child into it when he told his staff in Cabinet to defend him with the kid.
That Sir is rubbish!
Yeah, but that's politics now. One side had 10 years of using both the velvet glove and the iron fist, like Vote Leave and Leave.EU, so if the other side is fighting back with two hands as well, we can't really be surprised.
I have no problem with your desire to take down Cummings. His wife and child are not acceptable collateral damage.
Live by the sword..............he reaps what he sows, in his immortal words who cares what he thinks
I don't care what he thinks Malcolm, but his child did not ask to have such a hideous oik for a father so the child should be left out of all the nastiness.
I agree Pete, but it is Cummings fault , as I said he is reaping what he sows to the detriment of his family.
It is interesting that those on here most vociferous in their defence of Cummings' family (myself excluded) were quite happy to beat up on Mrs Starmer Senior and her donkeys.
Note that is continuity IDS Tweeting out Labour propaganda...
What's the betting that would were pumping out condemnatory tweets about Tim Montgomerie a couple of months ago over his Hungarian associations?
That sentence makes no sense at all, are you okay?
I'm pointing out that Tim Montgomerie was in recent months the face of evil to anti-Tories for his praise of Viktor Orban, but now his opinions are treated as gospel because it's politically convenient for them. Ergo, they are hypocrites.
Do I really have to spell out such simple things for you?
Yes. What does your operative phrase “that would were pumping” actually mean? When I was a kid my mum fed me alphabet soup and my resulting shit made more sense than that.
'Would' in that sentence was a typo for 'you'. How did you get on in school without being able to deduce things like that?
Obvious typos are not a completely different word made up of a twice the number of letters - so the most likely explanation, based on that and everything else you post, was that you were having some sort of aneurism. Hence my concern.
As for school, unexceptional. An unconditional offer from Oxford, a degree in history, a conversion course, an LL.M and a partnership in a City Law Firm. Mere bagatelle I accept.
You've never started a sentence then reworked its construction but neglected to alter a single word? OK.
You're not the only person to have been at Oxford, by the way.
You’re joking! Thinking about it, though, there were indeed an awful lot of other people round about my age hanging about there at the time...including my future wife, so you might just be right about that! Thank you! Your profound insight continues to impress.
You really can't take it when people don't instantly bend to your will, can you? Please don't tell me it was one of the crap colleges
Thanks but I am not interested in you bending to my will. I’m not into S&M - but I admire the honesty about your own proclivities.
Trinity. But for the virus I would have been at a retirement dinner on March 14 for my history tutor there. Jacob Rees-Mogg who did the same course at the same college four years earlier, was also on the guest list. So, based on the calibre of JRM alone, a crap college.
Gordouuuli! He's got a face like a ham, 'cos Bobby Johnson says so, and he should know...
Are you okay?
If you were at Trinity, you should have heard those lines coming over the wall from time to time (or from in front of your gates, on occasion).
The piteous cries for 'kindness and tolerance' for a 'man and his family for decisions taken at a time of great stress and worry' are a sight to behold. Cumming's whole career as evidenced by his recent public performances has been based on him being a cnut, and he gave every sign of revelling in it when he was top dog.
It's been a while since I have read the Sermon on the Mount, but don't think the idea behind 'kindness' or 'tolerance' is that we're kind or tolerant just to the people who deserve it.
You come out with this stuff which in principle sounds good but unfortunately it only applies to people you support
No, of course it doesn't.
The principle of the quoted post was that it was OK not to be kind or tolerant to someone if they are a bit of a shit themselves. That is patently bogus, and anyone who 'withholds' kindness on the basis of the deservingness or undeservingness of the recipient isn't really kind.
I guarantee when a Labour MP or adviser gets embroiled in something, you will be calling for their head straight away, as will the other Tories.
It's not the hypocrisy I hate, it's the arrogance of the PB Tories that they think we can't see just how incredibly partial they are. Yet the arrogance displayed is a sight every time.
I didn't call for Catherine Calderwood's head. Whilst recognising that her face being on telly telling us to stay home made probably made her position untenable, I had sympathy for her taking her family to the beach to get a break from it all. I never called for Corbyn to go either.
Note that is continuity IDS Tweeting out Labour propaganda...
What's the betting that would were pumping out condemnatory tweets about Tim Montgomerie a couple of months ago over his Hungarian associations?
That sentence makes no sense at all, are you okay?
I'm pointing out that Tim Montgomerie was in recent months the face of evil to anti-Tories for his praise of Viktor Orban, but now his opinions are treated as gospel because it's politically convenient for them. Ergo, they are hypocrites.
Do I really have to spell out such simple things for you?
Yes. What does your operative phrase “that would were pumping” actually mean? When I was a kid my mum fed me alphabet soup and my resulting shit made more sense than that.
'Would' in that sentence was a typo for 'you'. How did you get on in school without being able to deduce things like that?
Obvious typos are not a completely different word made up of a twice the number of letters - so the most likely explanation, based on that and everything else you post, was that you were having some sort of aneurism. Hence my concern.
As for school, unexceptional. An unconditional offer from Oxford, a degree in history, a conversion course, an LL.M and a partnership in a City Law Firm. Mere bagatelle I accept.
You've never started a sentence then reworked its construction but neglected to alter a single word? OK.
You're not the only person to have been at Oxford, by the way.
Hmm. The original email is carefully ambiguous. The Poly up Headington Hill? The Secretarial College? The footie club down the Abingdon Road?
Nope, an actual ancient Oxford college. But since neither of us is likely to post our degree certificates on PB, you can choose to believe or disbelieve either of us as you please.
LOL, the fanny Tories on here are always bragging about which Uni, which gold card , which 5 star hotel they frequent etc. Poor inferiority complexes, be interesting to compare them to the plebs who left school and do real jobs. I would not have lowered myself to go into a bunch of crapbags at Oxford/Cambridge etc, I cannot think of a worse punishment.
Oxbridge holds no mystique for me. I know it's totally wrong, but when I encounter an Oxbridge attendee my immediate thought is: 'Yeah, yeah. Had rich parents who got them into a good school that could game the entrance process.' It's chippy and unfair and I hate myself for it, but it is what I think.
If that's Labour it's their first mis-step in this - it will allow Tories to go on the attack about "harassing 4 year olds and their mothers" - especially since Cummings is reportedly in Downing St.
Live by the sword. Anyway, Cummings brought his child into it when he told his staff in Cabinet to defend him with the kid.
That Sir is rubbish!
Yeah, but that's politics now. One side had 10 years of using both the velvet glove and the iron fist, like Vote Leave and Leave.EU, so if the other side is fighting back with two hands as well, we can't really be surprised.
I have no problem with your desire to take down Cummings. His wife and child are not acceptable collateral damage.
Live by the sword..............he reaps what he sows, in his immortal words who cares what he thinks
I don't care what he thinks Malcolm, but his child did not ask to have such a hideous oik for a father so the child should be left out of all the nastiness.
I agree Pete, but it is Cummings fault , as I said he is reaping what he sows to the detriment of his family.
It is interesting that those on here most vociferous in their defence of Cummings' family (myself excluded) were quite happy to beat up on Mrs Starmer Senior and her donkeys.
As I am certainly not defending Cummings, may I ask what the story is about Mrs Starmer and her donkeys? That one completely passed me by.
I'm not normally one for the daft press tactics but Cummings both needs and deserves to be hounded night and day for this
Good of you to disclose that when you particularly dislike someone you're prepared to set decency to one side.
Why are you defending Dom's hypocrisy?
I haven't defended his hypocrisy. I *have* criticised the slavering mob so desperate for his scalp that they send lorries into his street and are happy to see him 'hounded day and night', for, mistakenly or otherwise, doing what he felt he needed to do to protect his family. It's a political witch hunt. I don't approve of mob rule, whether that mob consists of an angry crowd or a Twitter pile on.
There cannot be one rule for Dominic Cummings and another for the British people.
I agree. Can you point to one 'British person' who stands to lose their job through bending lockdown guidelines due to a genuine family emergency?
Can you point me to a reason why Boris "needs" to keep Dom when there aren't any imminent referendum or election campaigns?
You've made an obvious typo in your post, which I am happy to correct for you:
Can you point me to a reason why Dom "needs" to keep Boris when there aren't any imminent referendum or election campaigns?
Note that is continuity IDS Tweeting out Labour propaganda...
What's the betting that would were pumping out condemnatory tweets about Tim Montgomerie a couple of months ago over his Hungarian associations?
That sentence makes no sense at all, are you okay?
I'm pointing out that Tim Montgomerie was in recent months the face of evil to anti-Tories for his praise of Viktor Orban, but now his opinions are treated as gospel because it's politically convenient for them. Ergo, they are hypocrites.
Do I really have to spell out such simple things for you?
Yes. What does your operative phrase “that would were pumping” actually mean? When I was a kid my mum fed me alphabet soup and my resulting shit made more sense than that.
'Would' in that sentence was a typo for 'you'. How did you get on in school without being able to deduce things like that?
Obvious typos are not a completely different word made up of a twice the number of letters - so the most likely explanation, based on that and everything else you post, was that you were having some sort of aneurism. Hence my concern.
As for school, unexceptional. An unconditional offer from Oxford, a degree in history, a conversion course, an LL.M and a partnership in a City Law Firm. Mere bagatelle I accept.
You've never started a sentence then reworked its construction but neglected to alter a single word? OK.
You're not the only person to have been at Oxford, by the way.
Hmm. The original email is carefully ambiguous. The Poly up Headington Hill? The Secretarial College? The footie club down the Abingdon Road?
Nope, an actual ancient Oxford college. But since neither of us is likely to post our degree certificates on PB, you can choose to believe or disbelieve either of us as you please.
LOL, the fanny Tories on here are always bragging about which Uni, which gold card , which 5 star hotel they frequent etc. Poor inferiority complexes, be interesting to compare them to the plebs who left school and do real jobs. I would not have lowered myself to go into a bunch of crapbags at Oxford/Cambridge etc, I cannot think of a worse punishment.
I am not a Tory. You, however, appear to have one as your profile avatar.
What the header doesn't seem to consider, few people have, is that Cummings was quite ill last year and delayed an operation to join the Tory GE campaign. Also, he wanted a break in Feb and to do fewer hours thereafter... Dom's wargamed it!!
"Dominic Cummings, the Prime Minister’s most senior adviser, will quit his role in the New Year if he is unable to negotiate a pared back position in Downing Street, i can reveal.
Mr Cummings, who is widely credited for masterminding both Brexit and the Tories’ thumping election victory, is due to take a leave of absence in February for an operation that has been repeatedly postponed since he joined the Government.
The 48-year-old will use the break to renegotiate his contract in a bid to cut down his hours and spend more time with his family after a gruelling six months in government that has seen Downing Street thrash out a new Brexit deal and win a general election."
You think we should be feeling sorry for him? Jog on
I dont care if you do or not, but I think it answers the point, as to why he thought he might get it bad when people in their forties generally dont, that Alastair made in the header
In which case, Mr Cummings was even less wise to drive all that way. He had no way of knowing whether he had caught the bug at the saqme time as Mrs C in which case there[edited for typo] was a real risk that he could well be utterly laid low somewhere like Leicester Forest East, with an incapacitated wife and small child to be looked after.
We still don't really know whether his symptoms had started when he drove up there, do we?
Press reports on 30 March said he had symptoms. The first trip happened on the 31st.
I don't think we know the date of the trip, do we? We know the police were told he was in Durham on that date, I think.
It is actually interesting that Cummings himself apparently wrote: "At the end of March and for the first two weeks of April I was ill, so we were both shut in together."
Strictly, that would imply he was still symptomatic at the time of the day trip to Barnard Castle. At any rate it suggests he had been symptomatic a very short time before that, and was quite possibly still infectious when he went there.
I somehow still think sticking by Cummings helps Johnson in the medium term. As soon as Cummings falls the focus is switched to Johnson and what he knew.
Cummings also knows where all the bodies are buried.
I think Cummings is staying for now and Johnson is staying until the election.
Going to lay 2020 exit at 5 right NOW.
You can back Cummings to stay till June at 15/8 with Paddy Power or Betfair Sportsbook.
Thanks. I'm banned from all bookies unfortunately. Can only do Exchange and Spreads.
Do you think Dom is going?
Why are you banned from bookies?
I used to make a steady income stream from betting and after a while they all either closed me down or effectively did by imposing stake limits of 50p or similar.
So now it's Betfair Exchange or Sporting Index.
Which is actually good because I used to spend so much time on the betting it got quite boring and became more like a job than a recreation.
If that's Labour it's their first mis-step in this - it will allow Tories to go on the attack about "harassing 4 year olds and their mothers" - especially since Cummings is reportedly in Downing St.
Live by the sword. Anyway, Cummings brought his child into it when he told his staff in Cabinet to defend him with the kid.
That Sir is rubbish!
Yeah, but that's politics now. One side had 10 years of using both the velvet glove and the iron fist, like Vote Leave and Leave.EU, so if the other side is fighting back with two hands as well, we can't really be surprised.
I have no problem with your desire to take down Cummings. His wife and child are not acceptable collateral damage.
Live by the sword..............he reaps what he sows, in his immortal words who cares what he thinks
I don't care what he thinks Malcolm, but his child did not ask to have such a hideous oik for a father so the child should be left out of all the nastiness.
I agree Pete, but it is Cummings fault , as I said he is reaping what he sows to the detriment of his family.
It is interesting that those on here most vociferous in their defence of Cummings' family (myself excluded) were quite happy to beat up on Mrs Starmer Senior and her donkeys.
As I am certainly not defending Cummings, may I ask what the story is about Mrs Starmer and her donkeys? That one completely passed me by.
The Mail attacked Starmer for owning a field which he'd bought for his ill Mother to keep her donkeys in.
I somehow still think sticking by Cummings helps Johnson in the medium term. As soon as Cummings falls the focus is switched to Johnson and what he knew.
Cummings also knows where all the bodies are buried.
I think Cummings is staying for now and Johnson is staying until the election.
Going to lay 2020 exit at 5 right NOW.
You can back Cummings to stay till June at 15/8 with Paddy Power or Betfair Sportsbook.
Thanks. I'm banned from all bookies unfortunately. Can only do Exchange and Spreads.
Do you think Dom is going?
Why are you banned from bookies?
I used to make a steady income stream from betting and after a while they all either closed me down or effectively did by imposing stake limits of 50p or similar.
So now it's Betfair Exchange or Sporting Index.
Which is actually good because I used to spend so much time on the betting it got quite boring and became more like a job than a recreation.
Matched betting was it?
I did similar too with casinos. Shut me down eventually.
The piteous cries for 'kindness and tolerance' for a 'man and his family for decisions taken at a time of great stress and worry' are a sight to behold. Cumming's whole career as evidenced by his recent public performances has been based on him being a cnut, and he gave every sign of revelling in it when he was top dog.
Note that is continuity IDS Tweeting out Labour propaganda...
What's the betting that would were pumping out condemnatory tweets about Tim Montgomerie a couple of months ago over his Hungarian associations?
That sentence makes no sense at all, are you okay?
I'm pointing out that Tim Montgomerie was in recent months the face of evil to anti-Tories for his praise of Viktor Orban, but now his opinions are treated as gospel because it's politically convenient for them. Ergo, they are hypocrites.
Do I really have to spell out such simple things for you?
Yes. What does your operative phrase “that would were pumping” actually mean? When I was a kid my mum fed me alphabet soup and my resulting shit made more sense than that.
'Would' in that sentence was a typo for 'you'. How did you get on in school without being able to deduce things like that?
Obvious typos are not a completely different word made up of a twice the number of letters - so the most likely explanation, based on that and everything else you post, was that you were having some sort of aneurism. Hence my concern.
As for school, unexceptional. An unconditional offer from Oxford, a degree in history, a conversion course, an LL.M and a partnership in a City Law Firm. Mere bagatelle I accept.
You've never started a sentence then reworked its construction but neglected to alter a single word? OK.
You're not the only person to have been at Oxford, by the way.
Hmm. The original email is carefully ambiguous. The Poly up Headington Hill? The Secretarial College? The footie club down the Abingdon Road?
Nope, an actual ancient Oxford college. But since neither of us is likely to post our degree certificates on PB, you can choose to believe or disbelieve either of us as you please.
LOL, the fanny Tories on here are always bragging about which Uni, which gold card , which 5 star hotel they frequent etc. Poor inferiority complexes, be interesting to compare them to the plebs who left school and do real jobs. I would not have lowered myself to go into a bunch of crapbags at Oxford/Cambridge etc, I cannot think of a worse punishment.
I am not a Tory. You, however, appear to have one as your profile avatar.
Charlie was a man of the people
Interesting you should be a fan Malc - I was under the impression the predominant Nat feeling these days about BPC was quite unforgiving.
If that's Labour it's their first mis-step in this - it will allow Tories to go on the attack about "harassing 4 year olds and their mothers" - especially since Cummings is reportedly in Downing St.
Live by the sword. Anyway, Cummings brought his child into it when he told his staff in Cabinet to defend him with the kid.
That Sir is rubbish!
Yeah, but that's politics now. One side had 10 years of using both the velvet glove and the iron fist, like Vote Leave and Leave.EU, so if the other side is fighting back with two hands as well, we can't really be surprised.
I have no problem with your desire to take down Cummings. His wife and child are not acceptable collateral damage.
Live by the sword..............he reaps what he sows, in his immortal words who cares what he thinks
I don't care what he thinks Malcolm, but his child did not ask to have such a hideous oik for a father so the child should be left out of all the nastiness.
I agree Pete, but it is Cummings fault , as I said he is reaping what he sows to the detriment of his family.
It is interesting that those on here most vociferous in their defence of Cummings' family (myself excluded) were quite happy to beat up on Mrs Starmer Senior and her donkeys.
As I am certainly not defending Cummings, may I ask what the story is about Mrs Starmer and her donkeys? That one completely passed me by.
It was a Daily Mail front page article on Kier Starmer a week or two ago: Headline something like "Starmer owns land worth up to £10milllion".
Actual story is: Starmer owns green belt land next to his mother’s house that he bought for her donkey sanctuary. It’s worth maybe £20k tops.
Build a bunch of houses on it & you could probably sell them all for £10million total but a) that requires you to get planning permission on the green belt & b) to pay to build the houses in the first place. "Up to" was doing an awful lot of work in that headline.
(Actual £ figures may vary, but general principle is accurate to my recollection.)
Note that is continuity IDS Tweeting out Labour propaganda...
What's the betting that would were pumping out condemnatory tweets about Tim Montgomerie a couple of months ago over his Hungarian associations?
That sentence makes no sense at all, are you okay?
I'm pointing out that Tim Montgomerie was in recent months the face of evil to anti-Tories for his praise of Viktor Orban, but now his opinions are treated as gospel because it's politically convenient for them. Ergo, they are hypocrites.
Do I really have to spell out such simple things for you?
Yes. What does your operative phrase “that would were pumping” actually mean? When I was a kid my mum fed me alphabet soup and my resulting shit made more sense than that.
'Would' in that sentence was a typo for 'you'. How did you get on in school without being able to deduce things like that?
Obvious typos are not a completely different word made up of a twice the number of letters - so the most likely explanation, based on that and everything else you post, was that you were having some sort of aneurism. Hence my concern.
As for school, unexceptional. An unconditional offer from Oxford, a degree in history, a conversion course, an LL.M and a partnership in a City Law Firm. Mere bagatelle I accept.
You've never started a sentence then reworked its construction but neglected to alter a single word? OK.
You're not the only person to have been at Oxford, by the way.
Hmm. The original email is carefully ambiguous. The Poly up Headington Hill? The Secretarial College? The footie club down the Abingdon Road?
Nope, an actual ancient Oxford college. But since neither of us is likely to post our degree certificates on PB, you can choose to believe or disbelieve either of us as you please.
LOL, the fanny Tories on here are always bragging about which Uni, which gold card , which 5 star hotel they frequent etc. Poor inferiority complexes, be interesting to compare them to the plebs who left school and do real jobs. I would not have lowered myself to go into a bunch of crapbags at Oxford/Cambridge etc, I cannot think of a worse punishment.
I am not a Tory. You, however, appear to have one as your profile avatar.
Charlie was a man of the people
Maybe, but by definition Charles Stuart was also a Tory. The very first Tories were Jacobites when they opposed the Whig-supported Exclusion Bill which set out to disinherit the heir presumptive James, Duke of York, who eventually became James II of England and VII of Scotland.
His grandson was Roman native Charles Edward Louis John Casimir Sylvester Maria Stuart (real man of the people stuff that name) who spent all of his 14 months of his life within the shores of Britain attempting to resurrect the Tory cause and regain his thrones in Edinburgh and London as a Catholic autarchy.
For a man who spends a lot of time on here slagging off Tories it is ironic that you have one as your profile pic.
If that's Labour it's their first mis-step in this - it will allow Tories to go on the attack about "harassing 4 year olds and their mothers" - especially since Cummings is reportedly in Downing St.
Live by the sword. Anyway, Cummings brought his child into it when he told his staff in Cabinet to defend him with the kid.
That Sir is rubbish!
Yeah, but that's politics now. One side had 10 years of using both the velvet glove and the iron fist, like Vote Leave and Leave.EU, so if the other side is fighting back with two hands as well, we can't really be surprised.
I have no problem with your desire to take down Cummings. His wife and child are not acceptable collateral damage.
Live by the sword..............he reaps what he sows, in his immortal words who cares what he thinks
I don't care what he thinks Malcolm, but his child did not ask to have such a hideous oik for a father so the child should be left out of all the nastiness.
I agree Pete, but it is Cummings fault , as I said he is reaping what he sows to the detriment of his family.
It is interesting that those on here most vociferous in their defence of Cummings' family (myself excluded) were quite happy to beat up on Mrs Starmer Senior and her donkeys.
As I am certainly not defending Cummings, may I ask what the story is about Mrs Starmer and her donkeys? That one completely passed me by.
The Mail attacked Starmer for owning a field which he'd bought for his ill Mother to keep her donkeys in.
Cheers. Yep that one genuinely passed me by completely. But then it is the Mail so should be treated with contempt anyway. I know I shouldn't ask but why is buying your Mum a field in any way wrong? A slightly strange Mother's Day pressie perhaps but hardly the weirdest I have ever heard of.
If that's Labour it's their first mis-step in this - it will allow Tories to go on the attack about "harassing 4 year olds and their mothers" - especially since Cummings is reportedly in Downing St.
Live by the sword. Anyway, Cummings brought his child into it when he told his staff in Cabinet to defend him with the kid.
That Sir is rubbish!
Yeah, but that's politics now. One side had 10 years of using both the velvet glove and the iron fist, like Vote Leave and Leave.EU, so if the other side is fighting back with two hands as well, we can't really be surprised.
I have no problem with your desire to take down Cummings. His wife and child are not acceptable collateral damage.
Live by the sword..............he reaps what he sows, in his immortal words who cares what he thinks
I don't care what he thinks Malcolm, but his child did not ask to have such a hideous oik for a father so the child should be left out of all the nastiness.
I agree Pete, but it is Cummings fault , as I said he is reaping what he sows to the detriment of his family.
It is interesting that those on here most vociferous in their defence of Cummings' family (myself excluded) were quite happy to beat up on Mrs Starmer Senior and her donkeys.
As I am certainly not defending Cummings, may I ask what the story is about Mrs Starmer and her donkeys? That one completely passed me by.
It was a Daily Mail front page article on Kier Starmer a week or two ago: Headline something like "Starmer owns land worth up to £10milllion".
Actual story is: Starmer owns green belt land next to his mother’s house that he bought for her donkey sanctuary. It’s worth maybe £20k tops.
Build a bunch of houses on it & you could probably sell them all for £10million total but a) that requires you to get planning permission on the green belt & b) to pay to build the houses in the first place. "Up to" was doing an awful lot of work in that headline.
(Actual £ figures may vary, but general principle is accurate to my recollection.)
It has caused countless hours of hilarity on PB. Led by donkeys etc... I laughed until I stopped.
The piteous cries for 'kindness and tolerance' for a 'man and his family for decisions taken at a time of great stress and worry' are a sight to behold. Cumming's whole career as evidenced by his recent public performances has been based on him being a cnut, and he gave every sign of revelling in it when he was top dog.
PB Tories calling out the hounding of Cummings is a noble thing to do, except they've never called out hounding of MPs on the other side.
Yes we have.
Also, Cummings is a civil servant, a member of staff not an elected politician.
When?
Personally, right back to Gordon Brown when he was PM, and Damien McBride was his media henchman who became the story.
I don't ever recall such harassment of a civil servant as we've seen in the last couple of days though.
Cummings is in reality much more political than civil. I don't think he'd wish to be thought anything else. But of course he shouldn't be harassed personally and picketing someone's home is always repulsive.
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Also, Cummings is a civil servant, a member of staff not an elected politician.
Sorry that's offensive to c###s.
The principle of the quoted post was that it was OK not to be kind or tolerant to someone if they are a bit of a shit themselves. That is patently bogus, and anyone who 'withholds' kindness on the basis of the deservingness or undeservingness of the recipient isn't really kind.
But I doubt he'll be going.
I don't ever recall such harassment of a civil servant as we've seen in the last couple of days though.
It's not the hypocrisy I hate, it's the arrogance of the PB Tories that they think we can't see just how incredibly partial they are. Yet the arrogance displayed is a sight every time.
But as been pointed out, Led By Donkeys is nothing to do with Starmer or Labour.
Not since all the way back in the days of Priti Patel and Sir Philip Rutnam, certainly.
I've laid the Johnson 2020 exit at under 5 anyway. Happy with that. Bet I can back that back at 15 by mid-summer.
I can take or leave Cummings as it happens. I thought 'Take back control' was a rubbish slogan and Vote Leave was a mess that cost Leave a more emphatic victory.
Trinity. But for the virus I would have been at a retirement dinner on March 14 for my history tutor there. Jacob Rees-Mogg, who did the same course at the same college four years earlier, was also on the guest list. So, based on the calibre of JRM alone, a crap college.
'It's the big one Boris, all your career till now has led up to this point.'
'Oh, cripes.'
I would not have lowered myself to go into a bunch of crapbags at Oxford/Cambridge etc, I cannot think of a worse punishment.
"My inbox is rammed with very angry constituents and I do not blame them. They have made difficult sacrifices over the course of the last 9 weeks."
There will always be the usual suspects, of course. But that's water off a duck's back. It's perfectly obvious that the emails are not from the usual suspects.
Can you point me to a reason why Dom "needs" to keep Boris when there aren't any imminent referendum or election campaigns?
Strictly, that would imply he was still symptomatic at the time of the day trip to Barnard Castle. At any rate it suggests he had been symptomatic a very short time before that, and was quite possibly still infectious when he went there.
So now it's Betfair Exchange or Sporting Index.
Which is actually good because I used to spend so much time on the betting it got quite boring and became more like a job than a recreation.
I did similar too with casinos. Shut me down eventually.
That's ruined Bake-Off for me.
Telegraph out for blood
Actual story is: Starmer owns green belt land next to his mother’s house that he bought for her donkey sanctuary. It’s worth maybe £20k tops.
Build a bunch of houses on it & you could probably sell them all for £10million total but a) that requires you to get planning permission on the green belt & b) to pay to build the houses in the first place. "Up to" was doing an awful lot of work in that headline.
(Actual £ figures may vary, but general principle is accurate to my recollection.)
His grandson was Roman native Charles Edward Louis John Casimir Sylvester Maria Stuart (real man of the people stuff that name) who spent all of his 14 months of his life within the shores of Britain attempting to resurrect the Tory cause and regain his thrones in Edinburgh and London as a Catholic autarchy.
For a man who spends a lot of time on here slagging off Tories it is ironic that you have one as your profile pic.