Just back from my trip to Tesco Royston tonight, and the rate of hoarding is definitely accelerating. Here's a list of stock levels that I observed (non-exhaustive, but I did go around quite a lot of the store looking for stuff, some of which I couldn't find...)
Bog rolls: 0% Kitchen paper: 20% Bin bags: 20% Washing up liquid: 1% Tissues: 0% Tinned tomatoes: 1% Tinned spaghetti: 5% Baked beans: 1% Tinned tuna: 0% Other tins (meat, soup, fruit): 30% Flour: 0% Sunflower oil: 0% Olive oil: 10% Fruit squash: 5% Beer: 20%
It wasn't exactly the end of days - levels of fresh and frozen food looked reasonable, given that this was after the post-work cavalry charge - but if this goes on for any length of time then people are going to struggle to get hold of some basic supplies. Notably, I managed to fill in the gaps in my shop by going to the little Morrisons in town, but there was absolutely no bog paper there either. Anybody in this area who's run out of it is going to be wiping their arse with the Daily Mail for the time being.
People will shortly run out of space to store their 10000p loo rolls and tins of beans so the panic has a natural end date. I suspect that by the end of the year we’ll be seeing C5 Programmes like , “My hoarding partner” and “Britons who only eat value dried pasta”.
Give them credit for adding some innocent merriment to our lives.
It read like a stock market pump to me.... Here are the CEO's for Walmart and Walgreens, oh and Roche are providing their experience. TeleDoc is brilliant, Google have made a website etc etc etc Might as well have waved an A1 S&P banner instead of the flow chart.
Just one trifling question - presumably even though the elections are delayed, they are still the 2020 elections and the winners will serve until 2024?
I ask because I think it probable the 2024 London mayoral election contest will take place on the same day as the next GE.
Surely they won't allow elections with different systems on the same day?
Allowed it in 2004 in London.
About five different voting systems
Is there a reason why it hasn't been repeated? Wasn't there a bit of trouble in Scotland in 2007?
Yeah the Scots were too thick vote in multiple elections on the same day in 2007, something the English have regularly managed without issue.
My wife is a teacher. She has really struggled with motivating herself to do all the pathetic garbage at school which even at the best of times is pathetic garbage. We are hoping the education establishment sees sense
Blimey. We are having multiple religious experiences right now. That’s asking for a miracle on a par with the raising of Lazarus.
If you've seen Ofsted's statement to Schoolsweek this afternoon, I wouldn't be optimistic. It's shameful stuff.
OFSTED has literally caused the deaths of headteachers in the past. Why would anyone be surprised that they don’t care?
A more pertinent point, one that hare brained lowlife failure Spielmann seems not to have thought of, is that if a senior teacher dies of a Covid-19 then the school will have to close for cleaning, so there will be nothing to inspect.
The whole statement is much worse, the tone is appalling.
And yes, I've worked in a school where a key staff member died 24 hours before inspection. It was one of the worst experiences of my life.
Never had that happen, but have heard of it happening.
The sensible thing to do would be to suspend inspections. Leaving aside the fact that the inspectors may be spreading the disease, no school is going to be at its best if multiple staff go into isolation. How would they make any sort of meaningful judgement?
But this is Spielman. She is a liar, a fool, a bully and a total failure in every job she has ever had. She has also repeatedly demonstrated that through ignorance alone she is a risk to children. Yet she is still in post. Why would coronavirus shift her or improve her?
My son and his partner have had colds this week and we have agreed they will keep away for 14 days and also our grandchildren. Will use whats app and phones
Ah, the glories of WhatsApp in this situation. Ideal for medical isolation.
Just back from my trip to Tesco Royston tonight, and the rate of hoarding is definitely accelerating. Here's a list of stock levels that I observed (non-exhaustive, but I did go around quite a lot of the store looking for stuff, some of which I couldn't find...)
Bog rolls: 0% Kitchen paper: 20% Bin bags: 20% Washing up liquid: 1% Tissues: 0% Tinned tomatoes: 1% Tinned spaghetti: 5% Baked beans: 1% Tinned tuna: 0% Other tins (meat, soup, fruit): 30% Flour: 0% Sunflower oil: 0% Olive oil: 10% Fruit squash: 5% Beer: 20%
It wasn't exactly the end of days - levels of fresh and frozen food looked reasonable, given that this was after the post-work cavalry charge - but if this goes on for any length of time then people are going to struggle to get hold of some basic supplies. Notably, I managed to fill in the gaps in my shop by going to the little Morrisons in town, but there was absolutely no bog paper there either. Anybody in this area who's run out of it is going to be wiping their arse with the Daily Mail for the time being.
Well, if you will go to a peasant emporium.
I'm enjoying fresh plaice from the Waitrose fishmonger tonight.
Delicious.
I was really annoyed with all these bloody hoarders. They had taken so much there were only 26 ready meals left for me.
Supplies news update: Ocado drivers no longer bringing shopping inside, are leaving it at the door and not taking bags back.
Have everything, that said. Bog roll, hand sanitiser...
Give them credit for adding some innocent merriment to our lives.
It read like a stock market pump to me.... Here are the CEO's for Walmart and Walgreens, oh and Roche are providing their experience. TeleDoc is brilliant, Google have made a website etc etc etc Might as well have waved an A1 S&P banner instead of the flow chart.
Considering that very large numbers of Americans may well die it was unbelievably tone-deaf.
It Trump went to a wake the first words out of his mouth to the grieving relatives would be an offer to buy any property that had belonged to the deceased.
My wife is a teacher. She has really struggled with motivating herself to do all the pathetic garbage at school which even at the best of times is pathetic garbage. We are hoping the education establishment sees sense
Blimey. We are having multiple religious experiences right now. That’s asking for a miracle on a par with the raising of Lazarus.
If you've seen Ofsted's statement to Schoolsweek this afternoon, I wouldn't be optimistic. It's shameful stuff.
OFSTED has literally caused the deaths of headteachers in the past. Why would anyone be surprised that they don’t care?
A more pertinent point, one that hare brained lowlife failure Spielmann seems not to have thought of, is that if a senior teacher dies of a Covid-19 then the school will have to close for cleaning, so there will be nothing to inspect.
The whole statement is much worse, the tone is appalling.
And yes, I've worked in a school where a key staff member died 24 hours before inspection. It was one of the worst experiences of my life.
Never had that happen, but have heard of it happening.
The sensible thing to do would be to suspend inspections. Leaving aside the fact that the inspectors may be spreading the disease, no school is going to be at its best if multiple staff go into isolation. How would they make any sort of meaningful judgement?
But this is Spielman. She is a liar, a fool, a bully and a total failure in every job she has ever had. She has also repeatedly demonstrated that through ignorance alone she is a risk to children. Yet she is still in post. Why would coronavirus shift her or improve her?
I'm in total agreement. She is useless.
Having inspection teams moving between schools at a time like this is grossly irresponsible, to say the least.
But a miracle has happened, and they have just issued an apology on Twitter, and updated the advice.
You can’t ask him a question that he doesn’t want to answer are the US press Corp stupid? No scrutiny, no challenge no honesty it’s a disgrace, nobody would ask the muppets behind him for advice
Just back from my trip to Tesco Royston tonight, and the rate of hoarding is definitely accelerating. Here's a list of stock levels that I observed (non-exhaustive, but I did go around quite a lot of the store looking for stuff, some of which I couldn't find...)
Bog rolls: 0% Kitchen paper: 20% Bin bags: 20% Washing up liquid: 1% Tissues: 0% Tinned tomatoes: 1% Tinned spaghetti: 5% Baked beans: 1% Tinned tuna: 0% Other tins (meat, soup, fruit): 30% Flour: 0% Sunflower oil: 0% Olive oil: 10% Fruit squash: 5% Beer: 20%
It wasn't exactly the end of days - levels of fresh and frozen food looked reasonable, given that this was after the post-work cavalry charge - but if this goes on for any length of time then people are going to struggle to get hold of some basic supplies. Notably, I managed to fill in the gaps in my shop by going to the little Morrisons in town, but there was absolutely no bog paper there either. Anybody in this area who's run out of it is going to be wiping their arse with the Daily Mail for the time being.
People will shortly run out of space to store their 10000p loo rolls and tins of beans so the panic has a natural end date. I suspect that by the end of the year we’ll be seeing C5 Programmes like , “My hoarding partner” and “Britons who only eat value dried pasta”.
I'm not so sure. If the economies of the world are sufficiently crippled to affect food production and distribution, we could be looking at actual shortages later in the year.
So a question for all you psychology types out there in PB land.
Does Trump actually believe the BS he spouts - I mean the real obvious outright falsehoods - or is he just plain old fashioned lying.
Mad or Bad?
Both of course could be the answer.
Neither is not an acceptable response.
Im not sure he has a concept of the truth. Alternative facts was not a throwaway concept, it goes to the heart of his approach. Shape the world to benefit him, believe in that and then sell it to everyone else (or at least enough people around him) for it to work.
My mother and I agreed this evening not to meet tomorrow. Boris Johnson’s speech yesterday had a big impact on her. She’s not self-isolating but she’s reducing her social contacts, just as the experts would wish her to. As someone who travels on trains and works in central London, we agreed I was a high risk person for her to meet just now.
My mother and I agreed this evening not to meet tomorrow. Boris Johnson’s speech yesterday had a big impact on her. She’s not self-isolating but she’s reducing her social contacts, just as the experts would wish her to. As someone who travels on trains and works in central London, we agreed I was a high risk person for her to meet just now.
I hope you find ways to stay connected with her so that she, despite her cutting back on social contacts, does not feel socially isolated.
Has this actually been confirmed? 'DiscloseTV' appear to be the only people reporting it.
Germany seems to be working from a very similar model to us which is slightly reassuring.
According to my Sister in Law in Melbourne, so is Australia.
Which is interesting because if anywhere could shut it down, after it’s escaped containment, you’d think it was Australia. New Zealand seems good at the moment, but they have escaped any dangerous level of infection.
The countries that are going for eradication are basically either relying on the development of a vaccine or committing to cut themselves off from the world indefinitely.
My mother and I agreed this evening not to meet tomorrow. Boris Johnson’s speech yesterday had a big impact on her. She’s not self-isolating but she’s reducing her social contacts, just as the experts would wish her to. As someone who travels on trains and works in central London, we agreed I was a high risk person for her to meet just now.
As long as she still knows you love her just as much, I'm sure she'll be fine.
My mother and I agreed this evening not to meet tomorrow. Boris Johnson’s speech yesterday had a big impact on her. She’s not self-isolating but she’s reducing her social contacts, just as the experts would wish her to. As someone who travels on trains and works in central London, we agreed I was a high risk person for her to meet just now.
I live with mine - I'd move out if I could stop my dad going to the pub and mum going to the shops. I can't.
My mother and I agreed this evening not to meet tomorrow. Boris Johnson’s speech yesterday had a big impact on her. She’s not self-isolating but she’s reducing her social contacts, just as the experts would wish her to. As someone who travels on trains and works in central London, we agreed I was a high risk person for her to meet just now.
Nudge in action? Allowing people to reach their own decisions and remain in control.
That said, if this sensible behaviour were infectious, I would be putting my mother in the firing line. “I was a doctor and I know better.....”
Between 160 million and 214 million people in the U.S. could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to one projection. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die.
My mother and I agreed this evening not to meet tomorrow. Boris Johnson’s speech yesterday had a big impact on her. She’s not self-isolating but she’s reducing her social contacts, just as the experts would wish her to. As someone who travels on trains and works in central London, we agreed I was a high risk person for her to meet just now.
I hope you find ways to stay connected with her so that she, despite her cutting back on social contacts, does not feel socially isolated.
We spent a long time talking about striking a balance and still living her life. She’s not going to lock herself away but she’s going to take prudent precautions. We’re going to talk a lot on the phone, as we did tonight.
My mother and I agreed this evening not to meet tomorrow. Boris Johnson’s speech yesterday had a big impact on her. She’s not self-isolating but she’s reducing her social contacts, just as the experts would wish her to. As someone who travels on trains and works in central London, we agreed I was a high risk person for her to meet just now.
I live with mine - I'd move out if I could stop my dad going to the pub and mum going to the shops. I can't.
My mother and I agreed this evening not to meet tomorrow. Boris Johnson’s speech yesterday had a big impact on her. She’s not self-isolating but she’s reducing her social contacts, just as the experts would wish her to. As someone who travels on trains and works in central London, we agreed I was a high risk person for her to meet just now.
I hope you find ways to stay connected with her so that she, despite her cutting back on social contacts, does not feel socially isolated.
My mother and I agreed this evening not to meet tomorrow. Boris Johnson’s speech yesterday had a big impact on her. She’s not self-isolating but she’s reducing her social contacts, just as the experts would wish her to. As someone who travels on trains and works in central London, we agreed I was a high risk person for her to meet just now.
I hope you find ways to stay connected with her so that she, despite her cutting back on social contacts, does not feel socially isolated.
My mother and I agreed this evening not to meet tomorrow. Boris Johnson’s speech yesterday had a big impact on her. She’s not self-isolating but she’s reducing her social contacts, just as the experts would wish her to. As someone who travels on trains and works in central London, we agreed I was a high risk person for her to meet just now.
I hope you find ways to stay connected with her so that she, despite her cutting back on social contacts, does not feel socially isolated.
Between 160 million and 214 million people in the U.S. could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to one projection. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die.
Divide by five for the size difference and those numbers for deaths are in line with our government’s own predictions (if anything slightly below), and well below those of the panic brigade.
Sorry to hear you've had to make a tough decision, Alastair. My mum is 71 and in fair health except for high blood pressure, but I'll consider suggesting that she not visit - I'd never forgive myself if I was the cause of something awful.
Worth bearing in mind that this may still be ongoing in a year's time, though.
Out of interest, anyone on here do telecoms for a living? I was wondering whether, if the lions’ share of those who can do so work from home, the residential network will cope?
My mother and I agreed this evening not to meet tomorrow. Boris Johnson’s speech yesterday had a big impact on her. She’s not self-isolating but she’s reducing her social contacts, just as the experts would wish her to. As someone who travels on trains and works in central London, we agreed I was a high risk person for her to meet just now.
I hope you find ways to stay connected with her so that she, despite her cutting back on social contacts, does not feel socially isolated.
She should join PB!
We can’t have her cramping Alastair’s style. How would we cope without reluctant Turkish conscripts and sneaky fuckers?
My wife is a teacher. She has really struggled with motivating herself to do all the pathetic garbage at school which even at the best of times is pathetic garbage. We are hoping the education establishment sees sense
Blimey. We are having multiple religious experiences right now. That’s asking for a miracle on a par with the raising of Lazarus.
If you've seen Ofsted's statement to Schoolsweek this afternoon, I wouldn't be optimistic. It's shameful stuff.
My mother and I agreed this evening not to meet tomorrow. Boris Johnson’s speech yesterday had a big impact on her. She’s not self-isolating but she’s reducing her social contacts, just as the experts would wish her to. As someone who travels on trains and works in central London, we agreed I was a high risk person for her to meet just now.
I hope you find ways to stay connected with her so that she, despite her cutting back on social contacts, does not feel socially isolated.
Out of interest, anyone on here do telecoms for a living? I was wondering whether, if the lions’ share of those who can do so work from home, the residential network will cope?
Apparently kids being at home in Italy is putting severe strain on the network. Especially when an upgrade to whatever game they are playing comes up. Shares in the best networks will be valuable...
My wife is a teacher. She has really struggled with motivating herself to do all the pathetic garbage at school which even at the best of times is pathetic garbage. We are hoping the education establishment sees sense
Blimey. We are having multiple religious experiences right now. That’s asking for a miracle on a par with the raising of Lazarus.
If you've seen Ofsted's statement to Schoolsweek this afternoon, I wouldn't be optimistic. It's shameful stuff.
Between 160 million and 214 million people in the U.S. could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to one projection. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die.
Divide by five for the size difference and those numbers for deaths are in line with our government’s own predictions (if anything slightly below), and well below those of the panic brigade.
It's probably undercooked. But 130k cases of Covid-19 out of a population of 7.7 billion is statistically insignificant.
Even if it's out by a factor of ten, which it probably is, then only 0.017% of the global population have it.
You don't mean statistical significance, which is about samples, not whole populations. And if you take "statistical" out of it your claim is meaningless. "Only" 4,000 odd people died on 9/11, and one solitary individual was assassinated on 23 11 63. Were those numbers insignificant?
So a question for all you psychology types out there in PB land.
Does Trump actually believe the BS he spouts - I mean the real obvious outright falsehoods - or is he just plain old fashioned lying.
Mad or Bad?
Both of course could be the answer.
Neither is not an acceptable response.
I'm not sure he greatly cares - he's found he can say any old stuff and remain popular with his fans (in which he resembles some British figures).
i do recognise a certain rough charm - he's generally courteous and level-spoken to questioners, and trots out patriotic phrases at random moments. If you're an absent-minded patriot glancing at the news without bothering with the details, I can see you concluding that he's a good guy.
Out of interest, anyone on here do telecoms for a living? I was wondering whether, if the lions’ share of those who can do so work from home, the residential network will cope?
Apparently kids being at home in Italy is putting severe strain on the network. Especially when an upgrade to whatever game they are playing comes up. Shares in the best networks will be valuable...
My wife is a teacher. She has really struggled with motivating herself to do all the pathetic garbage at school which even at the best of times is pathetic garbage. We are hoping the education establishment sees sense
Blimey. We are having multiple religious experiences right now. That’s asking for a miracle on a par with the raising of Lazarus.
If you've seen Ofsted's statement to Schoolsweek this afternoon, I wouldn't be optimistic. It's shameful stuff.
Out of interest, anyone on here do telecoms for a living? I was wondering whether, if the lions’ share of those who can do so work from home, the residential network will cope?
Some services for collaborative stuff might break, but there are plenty of alternative options. Network capacity itself should be fine - at worst people might need to watch youtube cat videos at 720p rather than Ultra-HD.
So a question for all you psychology types out there in PB land.
Does Trump actually believe the BS he spouts - I mean the real obvious outright falsehoods - or is he just plain old fashioned lying.
Mad or Bad?
Both of course could be the answer.
Neither is not an acceptable response.
He is a dangerous narcissist who blusters and hasn't a clue in what he is saying
There is a very interesting book on Trust, of which truthfulness is of course a major component. Basically, trust is the default human condition, as we need, as social animals, to rely on others to survive, and trust is the sine qua non of cooperation. I have to trust that, if I help you now, you'll help me in like manner later.
Thus mutual assistance relies on people being both trusting, and trustworthy (and being truthful as a part of that).
However, unlike our hunter gatherer forebears in whom these mechanisms of social cooperation evolved, modern homo sapiens can accrue sufficient wealth to no longer, in many ways, have to depend on others. Thus, and this has been documented, truly wealthy people are both less trusting and less trustworthy - they don't need to be. So they have less need to be truthful. It is just is not that important to them.
Obviously, one cannot generalize for all individuals and there will be a bellcurve like distribution of how marked this tendency is across individuals. Trump clearly is at the outlier end of the curve.
Out of interest, anyone on here do telecoms for a living? I was wondering whether, if the lions’ share of those who can do so work from home, the residential network will cope?
I would guess that the loading due to additional work is less than 1% of netflix and other video streaming. Work is mainly email, some intranet browsing and the odd video or teleconference.
People trapped at home watching films all day rather than being at work is a bigger risk.
I’m intrigued by the legal position. But then I suppose, absent a written constitution, Parliament can defer any election for as long as it likes.
Not the most important issue right now, but this is a godsend for Labour, you’d think.
Unlikely that the Tories would have polled as strongly this May as some polls have suggested.In May 2017 when polls were pointing to a massive Tory win for Theresa May , the Tory lead turned out to be 11% rather than in excess of 20% suggested. Starmer's election would also be likely to boost Labour and limit any Tory gains. More significant is that by deferring Mayoral elections to May 2021 Labour is likely to be better placed to win in areas such as the West Midlands and Teeside - and make gains to reverse losses suffered in the May 2017 County Council elections.
My son and his partner have had colds this week and we have agreed they will keep away for 14 days and also our grandchildren. Will use whats app and phones
Ah, the glories of WhatsApp in this situation. Ideal for medical isolation.
The Dow rose 9.4% on Trump's speech. That is very similar to the drop last time. Both speeches were similar so why the difference in response?
The drop last time must have been very embarrassing for Trump and he's probably taken steps to ensure it didn't happen this time. It will be interesting to see who the purchasers were during his speech. It's obviously big money to move the market that way. I suspect it is coordinated corporate share buybacks.
Braemar update: having been refused port at the Bahamas, the ship is still offshore there while the captain tries to negotiate disembarkation for his passengers. I guess a key consideration is that the Americans on board won’t want to be dropped back in Europe.
Out of interest, anyone on here do telecoms for a living? I was wondering whether, if the lions’ share of those who can do so work from home, the residential network will cope?
Some services for collaborative stuff might break, but there are plenty of alternative options. Network capacity itself should be fine - at worst people might need to watch youtube cat videos at 720p rather than Ultra-HD.
So a question for all you psychology types out there in PB land.
Does Trump actually believe the BS he spouts - I mean the real obvious outright falsehoods - or is he just plain old fashioned lying.
Mad or Bad?
Both of course could be the answer.
Neither is not an acceptable response.
He is a dangerous narcissist who blusters and hasn't a clue in what he is saying
There is a very interesting book on Trust, of which truthfulness is of course a major component. Basically, trust is the default human condition, as we need, as social animals, to rely on others to survive, and trust is the sine qua non of cooperation. I have to trust that, if I help you now, you'll help me in like manner later.
Thus mutual assistance relies on people being both trusting, and trustworthy (and being truthful as a part of that).
However, unlike our hunter gatherer forebears in whom these mechanisms of social cooperation evolved, modern homo sapiens can accrue sufficient wealth to no longer, in many ways, have to depend on others. Thus, and this has been documented, truly wealthy people are both less trusting and less trustworthy - they don't need to be. So they have less need to be truthful. It is just is not that important to them.
Obviously, one cannot generalize for all individuals and there will be a bellcurve like distribution of how marked this tendency is across individuals. Trump clearly is at the outlier end of the curve.
So a question for all you psychology types out there in PB land.
Does Trump actually believe the BS he spouts - I mean the real obvious outright falsehoods - or is he just plain old fashioned lying.
Mad or Bad?
Both of course could be the answer.
Neither is not an acceptable response.
I'm not sure he greatly cares - he's found he can say any old stuff and remain popular with his fans (in which he resembles some British figures).
i do recognise a certain rough charm - he's generally courteous and level-spoken to questioners, and trots out patriotic phrases at random moments. If you're an absent-minded patriot glancing at the news without bothering with the details, I can see you concluding that he's a good guy.
Will the good old boys still be saying Trump is a good guy when Mom is no longer on the porch because she got the virus and no one came?
My wife is a teacher. She has really struggled with motivating herself to do all the pathetic garbage at school which even at the best of times is pathetic garbage. We are hoping the education establishment sees sense
Blimey. We are having multiple religious experiences right now. That’s asking for a miracle on a par with the raising of Lazarus.
If you've seen Ofsted's statement to Schoolsweek this afternoon, I wouldn't be optimistic. It's shameful stuff.
Ch4 News reported that a UK company have a 10 min test, which will all be able to in Pharmacies from next week. Although, it seems initially it will just to test pharmacy staff, but plan is within next 3 weeks to the public.
Trump is now, narrowly, BF fav for POTUS vs Biden.
He wasn't a couple of hours ago.
Assuming the election happens, the Dems are going to have to pick a careful path balancing criticism of Trump’s shambles while still being onside and patriotic.
Ch4 News reported that a UK company have a 10 min test, which will all be able to in Pharmacies from next week. Although, it seems initially it will just to test pharmacy staff, but plan is within next 3 weeks to the public.
Trump is now, narrowly, BF fav for POTUS vs Biden.
He wasn't a couple of hours ago.
Assuming the election happens, the Dems are going to have to pick a careful path balancing criticism of Trump’s shambles while still being onside and patriotic.
Teh. Difficult. I am optimistic Biden is the one who can do that.
My wife is a teacher. She has really struggled with motivating herself to do all the pathetic garbage at school which even at the best of times is pathetic garbage. We are hoping the education establishment sees sense
Blimey. We are having multiple religious experiences right now. That’s asking for a miracle on a par with the raising of Lazarus.
If you've seen Ofsted's statement to Schoolsweek this afternoon, I wouldn't be optimistic. It's shameful stuff.
Out of interest, anyone on here do telecoms for a living? I was wondering whether, if the lions’ share of those who can do so work from home, the residential network will cope?
Some services for collaborative stuff might break, but there are plenty of alternative options. Network capacity itself should be fine - at worst people might need to watch youtube cat videos at 720p rather than Ultra-HD.
Ch4 News reported that a UK company have a 10 min test, which will all be able to in Pharmacies from next week. Although, it seems initially it will just to test pharmacy staff, but plan is within next 3 weeks to the public.
Great news. Now let’s flog it around the world.
Apparently there are 15 companies doing this.
Again, makes head scratching why UK government appears to have decided testing isn't a good idea. Even if they think it is wasting resources to have nurses do it, could we not have drive up and use of this staffed by others. This is the South Korea approach. You get one of these quick ones done, and if you are positive you get funnelled into the system.
The Dow rose 9.4% on Trump's speech. That is very similar to the drop last time. Both speeches were similar so why the difference in response?
The drop last time must have been very embarrassing for Trump and he's probably taken steps to ensure it didn't happen this time. It will be interesting to see who the purchasers were during his speech. It's obviously big money to move the market that way. I suspect it is coordinated corporate share buybacks.
So a question for all you psychology types out there in PB land.
Does Trump actually believe the BS he spouts - I mean the real obvious outright falsehoods - or is he just plain old fashioned lying.
Mad or Bad?
Both of course could be the answer.
Neither is not an acceptable response.
I'm not sure he greatly cares - he's found he can say any old stuff and remain popular with his
i do recognise a certain rough charm - he's generally courteous and level-spoken to questioners, and trots out patriotic phrases at random moments. If you're an absent-minded patriot glancing at the news without bothering with the details, I can see you concluding that he's a good guy.
Will the good old boys still be saying Trump is a good guy when Mom is no longer on the porch because she got the virus and no one came?
I’m more interested in the “(in which he resembles some British figures)” comment. I’ve no doubt. Corbyn is not one of them.
Ch4 News reported that a UK company have a 10 min test, which will all be able to in Pharmacies from next week. Although, it seems initially it will just to test pharmacy staff, but plan is within next 3 weeks to the public.
Great news. Now let’s flog it around the world.
Apparently there are 15 companies doing this.
Again, makes head scratching why UK government appears to have decided testing isn't a good idea. Even if they think it is wasting resources to have nurses do it, could we not have drive up and use of this staffed by others. This is the South Korea approach. You get one of these quick ones done, and if you are positive you get funnelled into the system.
You’d think that “more data” would be useful to our “science-led” approach??
Out of interest, anyone on here do telecoms for a living? I was wondering whether, if the lions’ share of those who can do so work from home, the residential network will cope?
Some services for collaborative stuff might break, but there are plenty of alternative options. Network capacity itself should be fine - at worst people might need to watch youtube cat videos at 720p rather than Ultra-HD.
So a question for all you psychology types out there in PB land.
Does Trump actually believe the BS he spouts - I mean the real obvious outright falsehoods - or is he just plain old fashioned lying.
Mad or Bad?
Both of course could be the answer.
Neither is not an acceptable response.
He is a dangerous narcissist who blusters and hasn't a clue in what he is saying
There is a very interesting book on Trust, of which truthfulness is of course a major component. Basically, trust is the default human condition, as we need, as social animals, to rely on others to survive, and trust is the sine qua non of cooperation. I have to trust that, if I help you now, you'll help me in like manner later.
Thus mutual assistance relies on people being both trusting, and trustworthy (and being truthful as a part of that).
However, unlike our hunter gatherer forebears in whom these mechanisms of social cooperation evolved, modern homo sapiens can accrue sufficient wealth to no longer, in many ways, have to depend on others. Thus, and this has been documented, truly wealthy people are both less trusting and less trustworthy - they don't need to be. So they have less need to be truthful. It is just is not that important to them.
Obviously, one cannot generalize for all individuals and there will be a bellcurve like distribution of how marked this tendency is across individuals. Trump clearly is at the outlier end of the curve.
Interesting
"The Truth about Trust: How It Determines Success in Life, Love, Learning, and More" by David DeSteno
Ch4 News reported that a UK company have a 10 min test, which will all be able to in Pharmacies from next week. Although, it seems initially it will just to test pharmacy staff, but plan is within next 3 weeks to the public.
Out of interest, anyone on here do telecoms for a living? I was wondering whether, if the lions’ share of those who can do so work from home, the residential network will cope?
Some services for collaborative stuff might break, but there are plenty of alternative options. Network capacity itself should be fine - at worst people might need to watch youtube cat videos at 720p rather than Ultra-HD.
My wife is a teacher. She has really struggled with motivating herself to do all the pathetic garbage at school which even at the best of times is pathetic garbage. We are hoping the education establishment sees sense
Blimey. We are having multiple religious experiences right now. That’s asking for a miracle on a par with the raising of Lazarus.
If you've seen Ofsted's statement to Schoolsweek this afternoon, I wouldn't be optimistic. It's shameful stuff.
Out of interest, anyone on here do telecoms for a living? I was wondering whether, if the lions’ share of those who can do so work from home, the residential network will cope?
Some services for collaborative stuff might break, but there are plenty of alternative options. Network capacity itself should be fine - at worst people might need to watch youtube cat videos at 720p rather than Ultra-HD.
So a question for all you psychology types out there in PB land.
Does Trump actually believe the BS he spouts - I mean the real obvious outright falsehoods - or is he just plain old fashioned lying.
Mad or Bad?
Both of course could be the answer.
Neither is not an acceptable response.
He is a dangerous narcissist who blusters and hasn't a clue in what he is saying
There is a very interesting book on Trust, of which truthfulness is of course a major component. Basically, trust is the default human condition, as we need, as social animals, to rely on others to survive, and trust is the sine qua non of cooperation. I have to trust that, if I help you now, you'll help me in like manner later.
Thus mutual assistance relies on people being both trusting, and trustworthy (and being truthful as a part of that).
However, unlike our hunter gatherer forebears in whom these mechanisms of social cooperation evolved, modern homo sapiens can accrue sufficient wealth to no longer, in many ways, have to depend on others. Thus, and this has been documented, truly wealthy people are both less trusting and less trustworthy - they don't need to be. So they have less need to be truthful. It is just is not that important to them.
Obviously, one cannot generalize for all individuals and there will be a bellcurve like distribution of how marked this tendency is across individuals. Trump clearly is at the outlier end of the curve.
@TimT, ages ago (at least a couple of years, possibly 5 or more!) we were having a discussion about game theory and you asked if I knew any good reference works that covered a fairly niche topic (an analysis of situations where "burning money" to reduce the value of certain options to you can actually be advantageous, IIRC). Anyway, I didn't find one, but while brushing up on my game theory recently I saw a reference to a book which sounds absolutely up your street professionally! "Compliance Quantified" (1996, Cambridge University Press) by Rudolf Avenhaus, University of the Federal Armed Forces, Hamburg, and Morton John Canty, Juelich Research Center.
It's a mathematically fairly dense, operational research/game theoretic approach to arms control verification. Quite possible that you're either very well aware of it, or the content is old hat by now, but to a non-specialist on biochemical/nuclear proliferation, the excerpts I can see in Google Books look very interesting!
Ch4 News reported that a UK company have a 10 min test, which will all be able to in Pharmacies from next week. Although, it seems initially it will just to test pharmacy staff, but plan is within next 3 weeks to the public.
Great news. Now let’s flog it around the world.
Apparently there are 15 companies doing this.
Again, makes head scratching why UK government appears to have decided testing isn't a good idea. Even if they think it is wasting resources to have nurses do it, could we not have drive up and use of this staffed by others. This is the South Korea approach. You get one of these quick ones done, and if you are positive you get funnelled into the system.
You’d think that “more data” would be useful to our “science-led” approach??
You probably need to know something about the reliability of the test.
For example if the test has a 10 per cent false positive rate, and a million people test themselves, then that is 100,000 panicking individuals, wanting medical treatment & there is nothing wrong with them.
Even 1 per cent false positives will be a significant problem.
Out of interest, anyone on here do telecoms for a living? I was wondering whether, if the lions’ share of those who can do so work from home, the residential network will cope?
Generally yes, although there may be some local issues in smaller villages with limited bandwidth, and some ISPs will need to adjust their load-balancing in favour of residential rather than business customers during working days. The bigger issue will come if everyone 'working from home' start streaming Netflix all day.
My mother and I agreed this evening not to meet tomorrow. Boris Johnson’s speech yesterday had a big impact on her. She’s not self-isolating but she’s reducing her social contacts, just as the experts would wish her to. As someone who travels on trains and works in central London, we agreed I was a high risk person for her to meet just now.
I hope you find ways to stay connected with her so that she, despite her cutting back on social contacts, does not feel socially isolated.
She should join PB!
PB is NOT ready for my mum.
What are her views on pineapple pizza?
Interestingly it was the No 10 presser (albeit the earlier one this week) that finally convinced my parents, who are nearly 70 but don't consider themselves elderly, to restrict their exposure to the outside world. I suspect that they're working with the audience for which they're intended.
So a question for all you psychology types out there in PB land.
Does Trump actually believe the BS he spouts - I mean the real obvious outright falsehoods - or is he just plain old fashioned lying.
Mad or Bad?
Both of course could be the answer.
Neither is not an acceptable response.
He is a dangerous narcissist who blusters and hasn't a clue in what he is saying
There is a very interesting book on Trust, of which truthfulness is of course a major component. Basically, trust is the default human condition, as we need, as social animals, to rely on others to survive, and trust is the sine qua non of cooperation. I have to trust that, if I help you now, you'll help me in like manner later.
Thus mutual assistance relies on people being both trusting, and trustworthy (and being truthful as a part of that).
However, unlike our hunter gatherer forebears in whom these mechanisms of social cooperation evolved, modern homo sapiens can accrue sufficient wealth to no longer, in many ways, have to depend on others. Thus, and this has been documented, truly wealthy people are both less trusting and less trustworthy - they don't need to be. So they have less need to be truthful. It is just is not that important to them.
Obviously, one cannot generalize for all individuals and there will be a bellcurve like distribution of how marked this tendency is across individuals. Trump clearly is at the outlier end of the curve.
@TimT, ages ago (at least a couple of years, possibly 5 or more!) we were having a discussion about game theory and you asked if I knew any good reference works that covered a fairly niche topic (an analysis of situations where "burning money" to reduce the value of certain options to you can actually be advantageous, IIRC). Anyway, I didn't find one, but while brushing up on my game theory recently I saw a reference to a book which sounds absolutely up your street professionally! "Compliance Quantified" (1996, Cambridge University Press) by Rudolf Avenhaus, University of the Federal Armed Forces, Hamburg, and Morton John Canty, Juelich Research Center.
It's a mathematically fairly dense, operational research/game theoretic approach to arms control verification. Quite possible that you're either very well aware of it, or the content is old hat by now, but to a non-specialist on biochemical/nuclear proliferation, the excerpts I can see in Google Books look very interesting!
Thanks much. I was not aware of this work, so will have to check it out.
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The sensible thing to do would be to suspend inspections. Leaving aside the fact that the inspectors may be spreading the disease, no school is going to be at its best if multiple staff go into isolation. How would they make any sort of meaningful judgement?
But this is Spielman. She is a liar, a fool, a bully and a total failure in every job she has ever had. She has also repeatedly demonstrated that through ignorance alone she is a risk to children. Yet she is still in post. Why would coronavirus shift her or improve her?
Have everything, that said. Bog roll, hand sanitiser...
It Trump went to a wake the first words out of his mouth to the grieving relatives would be an offer to buy any property that had belonged to the deceased.
Having inspection teams moving between schools at a time like this is grossly irresponsible, to say the least.
But a miracle has happened, and they have just issued an apology on Twitter, and updated the advice.
I hope Jenny doesn't get to thinking that means she can choose the new leader unilaterally.
I'm not so sure. If the economies of the world are sufficiently crippled to affect food production and distribution, we could be looking at actual shortages later in the year.
Does Trump actually believe the BS he spouts - I mean the real obvious outright falsehoods - or is he just plain old fashioned lying.
Mad or Bad?
Both of course could be the answer.
Neither is not an acceptable response.
Fuck it, they are openly mocking us!
Even if it's out by a factor of ten, which it probably is, then only 0.017% of the global population have it.
> Have you got a cough? YES
> Go for a test!
They’ve been working on it all week.
The countries that are going for eradication are basically either relying on the development of a vaccine or committing to cut themselves off from the world indefinitely.
(Working assumption, that you love your mother!)
That said, if this sensible behaviour were infectious, I would be putting my mother in the firing line. “I was a doctor and I know better.....”
NYT:
Between 160 million and 214 million people in the U.S. could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to one projection. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/us/coronavirus-deaths-estimate.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
Anything Donald Trump does: great, fantastic, smart, beautiful, yuge, perfect, bigly, incredible.
Anything people other than Donald Trump do: fake, terrible, small, stupid, lies, pathetic, low energy.
The words in between are just to connect the dots and are of little consequence.
Worth bearing in mind that this may still be ongoing in a year's time, though.
You have no idea what schools are having to deal with at present.
i do recognise a certain rough charm - he's generally courteous and level-spoken to questioners, and trots out patriotic phrases at random moments. If you're an absent-minded patriot glancing at the news without bothering with the details, I can see you concluding that he's a good guy.
He wasn't a couple of hours ago.
https://twitter.com/colinrtalbot/status/1238543488402305025
Thus mutual assistance relies on people being both trusting, and trustworthy (and being truthful as a part of that).
However, unlike our hunter gatherer forebears in whom these mechanisms of social cooperation evolved, modern homo sapiens can accrue sufficient wealth to no longer, in many ways, have to depend on others. Thus, and this has been documented, truly wealthy people are both less trusting and less trustworthy - they don't need to be. So they have less need to be truthful. It is just is not that important to them.
Obviously, one cannot generalize for all individuals and there will be a bellcurve like distribution of how marked this tendency is across individuals. Trump clearly is at the outlier end of the curve.
People trapped at home watching films all day rather than being at work is a bigger risk.
More significant is that by deferring Mayoral elections to May 2021 Labour is likely to be better placed to win in areas such as the West Midlands and Teeside - and make gains to reverse losses suffered in the May 2017 County Council elections.
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1238544565755412482
Signal is a similar product that isn't Facebook.
The drop last time must have been very embarrassing for Trump and he's probably taken steps to ensure it didn't happen this time. It will be interesting to see who the purchasers were during his speech. It's obviously big money to move the market that way. I suspect it is coordinated corporate share buybacks.
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1237143923090432000
I have family in northern Italy, but I'm not lashing out at others.
Again, makes head scratching why UK government appears to have decided testing isn't a good idea. Even if they think it is wasting resources to have nurses do it, could we not have drive up and use of this staffed by others. This is the South Korea approach. You get one of these quick ones done, and if you are positive you get funnelled into the system.
It's a mathematically fairly dense, operational research/game theoretic approach to arms control verification. Quite possible that you're either very well aware of it, or the content is old hat by now, but to a non-specialist on biochemical/nuclear proliferation, the excerpts I can see in Google Books look very interesting!
For example if the test has a 10 per cent false positive rate, and a million people test themselves, then that is 100,000 panicking individuals, wanting medical treatment & there is nothing wrong with them.
Even 1 per cent false positives will be a significant problem.