Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. Sign in or register to get started.

Options

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » The LDs – putting the coalition years behind them

124678

Comments

  • Options
    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,966
    > @Xtrain said:
    > It's touching to see people on Twitter all claiming the results confirm their views

    Lab northern heartlands want out the EU and Oxford-CotswoldRemainshire wants to stay in is my big picture take.
  • Options
    Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,828
    > @KentRising said:
    > > @Pro_Rata said:
    > > Lab gain Elland from Con: 1 gain short of control in Calderdale
    > >
    > > Meanwhile lose 3 in Kirklees in first 9 declared: 1 more loss will cede to NOC.
    > >
    > > Swapsies?
    >
    > Could it be that some voters are just giving who was in possession a kicking, even at lowly council level? Meaning no real pattern and just churn for churn's sake in some areas.

    For sure that is the case.

    4th Lab loss now being reported in Kirklees, not sure where. Would mean NOC.

    Another 3 Con 2015, Lab 2018 wards to declare in Calderdale, but also a Lab/LD marginal.
  • Options
    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,116
    > @isam said:
    > If you were a Leave voter disgusted with the Tories handling of Brexit, who didn't like Corbyn and doesn't like the latest version of UKIP, who would you have voted for in these local elections?

    They interviewed someone like that on the radio this morning. She voted Green, but plans to vote for the Brexit Party in the European elections.
  • Options
    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,283
    Vince on leadership: 'tonight not about me.' 'will be an orderly succession, but details for another day'.
  • Options
    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    > @isam said:
    > If you were a Leave voter disgusted with the Tories handling of Brexit, who didn't like Corbyn and doesn't like the latest version of UKIP, who would you have voted for in these local elections?

    Probably an Independent if one were available - and many people have done that.
  • Options
    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062
    Nigelb said:

    malcolmg said:

    New International Development Secretary Rory Stewart has said he intends to stand for the Conservative leadership after Theresa May steps down.



    Given he gets overlooked time and time again for a big job, supposed the only way to get one is via this route.

    He should take the hint and realise he is at least as crap as the rest of the donkeys, and given where he is the top brass think he is even worse, what a slap in the chops.
    So no one should run for the leadership ?
    Anybody can run, deluded or not, I personally think he has no idea how crap he is but you always need some cannon fodder and if he wants to make a fool of himself , why not.
  • Options
    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,338
    Labour is very lucky there are no local elections in London
  • Options
    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,896
    Con lose North Herts to NOC.

    Lab lose NE Derbyshire to NOC

    Lab (probably) lose Darlington to NOC
  • Options
    BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    > @Xtrain said:
    > It's touching to see people on Twitter all claiming the results confirm their views

    Heidi Allen, Ben Bradshaw etc are setting themselves up for a fall. It shows a complete lack of foresight and they'll deserve all the crap they get later this month if the Brexit Party win. It's a shame there are not more measured responses like those from Lisa Nandy. It's a good day for 'remain' but far from being a national cry for a People's Vote.
  • Options
    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    > @Sean_F said:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Lab (probably) lose Darlington to NOC

    Labour are seemingly dead meat in the Northeast.
  • Options
    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062
    Cicero said:

    > @malcolmg said:

    > New International Development Secretary Rory Stewart has said he intends to stand for the Conservative leadership after Theresa May steps down.

    >

    >

    >

    > Given he gets overlooked time and time again for a big job, supposed the only way to get one is via this route.

    >

    > He should take the hint and realise he is at least as crap as the rest of the donkeys, and given where he is the top brass think he is even worse, what a slap in the chops.



    What does this even mean? I'm not a Tory, but Stewart has been noticeably cooler under fire than most of the Cabinet and he has also demonstrated a much greater degree of loyalty. TBH the Tories could do a lot worse and in fact Stewart by being sane and loyal has actually earned his stripes. So don't let loathing of the Tories get in the way of a sober assessment of political reality.

    He has done nothing , an empty suit, talentless. Name me one thing he has done , pontificated about etc, he was shambles in the lowly prison job he had and it is hard to be duff at DFID as all you do is give shedloads of money away to crooks and chancers.
  • Options
    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,966
    Bassetlaw (Tuxford and Trent), first result using highest methodology :

    2015

    Con 62.4%
    Lab 37.6%

    2019

    Con 43.4%
    Ind 36.9%
    Lab 19.6%

    So small swing from Con to Lab. Big indie surge.
  • Options
    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    > @williamglenn said:
    > https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1124267419034431491

    No, they'd all be saying it's 'the scary rise of the far right', and equating that with Brexit, and saying Brexit therefore shouldn't happen.
  • Options
    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,338
    > @AndyJS said:
    > The same political parties are getting hammered for being thought of as in favour of a soft Brexit in some areas and a hard Brexit in others. Somerset voted Leave in the referendum and the Tories are doing badly. Bath voted Remain and the Tories are doing badly. But the same thing is also true of Labour in many areas, such as Sunderland and Reading

    Most areas were 55/45 to 45/55 with few outside 40-60. It is simplistic to treat areas as one of the other. The same dissatisfactions are everywhere.
  • Options
    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,998
    Mr. Glenn, be interesting to see, should the Brexit Party top the European poll, if Goodall sticks to that line.
  • Options
    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Lots of spoilt ballots in Great Yarmouth, borderline Con or slip to NOC
    No LD or Green here
  • Options
    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,896
    edited May 2019
    > @williamglenn said:
    > https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1124267419034431491

    The Lib Dems are in clear third place. They're winning back some of the seats they lost in 2011 and 2015.
  • Options
    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,338
    > @malcolmg said:
    > New International Development Secretary Rory Stewart has said he intends to stand for the Conservative leadership after Theresa May steps down.
    >
    >
    >
    > Given he gets overlooked time and time again for a big job, supposed the only way to get one is via this route.
    >
    > He should take the hint and realise he is at least as crap as the rest of the donkeys, and given where he is the top brass think he is even worse, what a slap in the chops.
    >
    > So no one should run for the leadership ?
    >
    > Anybody can run, deluded or not, I personally think he has no idea how crap he is but you always need some cannon fodder and if he wants to make a fool of himself , why not.

    The talent bar in the Tory Party to considering yourself leadership material is hardly high.
  • Options
    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,195
    > @KentRising said:
    > > @williamglenn said:
    > > https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1124267419034431491
    >
    > No, they'd all be saying it's 'the scary rise of the far right', and equating that with Brexit, and saying Brexit therefore shouldn't happen.

    Indeed. Believe it or not, there are Brexiteers who are happy for the Lib Dems to organize bin collections.
  • Options
    isamisam Posts: 40,971
    People dismiss Leave's referendum win as "a protest vote"!!
  • Options
    SelebianSelebian Posts: 7,477
    Possibly low UKIP vote due to candidates being "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists" (and not having enough even of those to stand everywhere), rather than lack of Brexit enthusiasts?
  • Options
    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,966
    edited May 2019
    Lol my ward has gone Labour. It's never been labour I think !

    Maj of 24.
  • Options
    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,896
    Lab lose Burnley to NOC.
  • Options
    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,116
    > @Selebian said:
    >
    > Possibly low UKIP vote due to candidates being "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists" (and not having enough even of those to stand everywhere), rather than lack of Brexit enthusiasts?

    They're out of the closet now.
  • Options
    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    > @Selebian said:
    > https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1124267419034431491
    >
    >
    >
    > Possibly low UKIP vote due to candidates being "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists" (and not having enough even of those to stand everywhere), rather than lack of Brexit enthusiasts?

    Estimates differ between there being only 1 UKIP candidate for every 6 or 9 races last night.
  • Options
    isamisam Posts: 40,971
    Selebian said:

    Possibly low UKIP vote due to candidates being "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists" (and not having enough even of those to stand everywhere), rather than lack of Brexit enthusiasts?
    That's what Ruth Smeeth thinks

    https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1124151438261702657
  • Options
    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,676
    > @williamglenn said:
    > https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1124267419034431491

    Because the LibDems campaigned on dog mess and potholes, rather than Brexit.
  • Options
    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,357
    121/248 councils in. Tory losses on 494. 1000 losses looks on.
  • Options
    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,896
    Con lose Herefordshire to NOC
  • Options
    Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,828
    edited May 2019
    > @Pro_Rata said:
    > > @KentRising said:
    > > > @Pro_Rata said:
    > > > Lab gain Elland from Con: 1 gain short of control in Calderdale
    > > >
    > > > Meanwhile lose 3 in Kirklees in first 9 declared: 1 more loss will cede to NOC.
    > > >
    > > > Swapsies?
    > >
    > > Could it be that some voters are just giving who was in possession a kicking, even at lowly council level? Meaning no real pattern and just churn for churn's sake in some areas.
    >
    > For sure that is the case.
    >
    > 4th Lab loss now being reported in Kirklees, not sure where. Would mean NOC.
    >
    > Another 3 Con 2015, Lab 2018 wards to declare in Calderdale, but also a Lab/LD marginal.

    Lab fingertip hold Kirklees after 1 last gasp gain from Con.
  • Options
    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,083
    edited May 2019
    Labour’s problem summed up:

    Leavers don’t believe Labour will deliver Brexit.
    Remainers don’t believe Labour will stop Brexit.
  • Options
    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,966
    Rofl, our new councillor is 18 years old :o
  • Options
    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
  • Options
    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785
    isam said:

    If you were a Leave voter disgusted with the Tories handling of Brexit, who didn't like Corbyn and doesn't like the latest version of UKIP, who would you have voted for in these local elections?

    Who, or how?

    https://twitter.com/MariaHutchings/status/1124266573332717568
  • Options
    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,896
    Lab lose Cannock Chase to NOC
  • Options
    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,922

    Labour’s problem summed up:

    Leavers don’t believe Labour will deliver Brexit.
    Remainers don’t believe Labour will stop Brexit.

    Yup.
  • Options
    EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    This Green surge is all very well, but what does it mean for them nationally? In the 2017 GE, they effectively campaigned for Labour across much of the country, under the banner of the "Progressive Alliance", and consequently saw their vote share plummet (relative to 2015). So what do they do in the next GE? Most of their (relatively speaking) realistic targets are Labour held, or else Tory marginals where they risk splitting the left-wing vote just by standing.

    They can't just stand 200 candidates in safe Tory seats and still claim to be a competitive national party, especially if thy have another few years of progress in the locals between now and then. And they can't oppose Labour/LDs without risking helping the Tories. So what do they do?
  • Options
    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,283
    Labour leadership challenge this summer?
  • Options
    AmpfieldAndyAmpfieldAndy Posts: 1,445
    Jess Philips giving a withering assessment of both Tory and Labour leaderships. Don’t agree with her on much but fair play to her for her honesty.
  • Options
    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,338
    edited May 2019
    > @MattW said:
    > Ashfield Independents:
    >
    > https://twitter.com/AshfieldInds/status/1124151938378031104
    >
    > https://twitter.com/mattwardman/status/1124275031398285312

    They are the former LibDems, before the Jason affair, after all

    Labour being almost wiped off that council is just desserts
  • Options
    AmpfieldAndyAmpfieldAndy Posts: 1,445
    > @rottenborough said:
    > Labour leadership challenge this summer?

    Not unless Momentum and McCluskey lose faith which doesn’t seem likely.
  • Options
    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908
    Liz Warren in 2nd in recent Quinnipac poll, narrowly ahead of Sanders.
  • Options
    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    > @SandyRentool said:
    > > @williamglenn said:
    > > https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1124267419034431491
    >
    > Because the LibDems campaigned on dog mess and potholes, rather than Brexit.

    Lots of people just saying the results prove their view on Brexit is correct.
  • Options
    SelebianSelebian Posts: 7,477
    edited May 2019

    williamglenn said:

    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    Possibly low UKIP vote due to candidates being "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists" (and not having enough even of those to stand everywhere), rather than lack of Brexit enthusiasts?

    They're out of the closet now.
    Hehe, indeed :smile:
  • Options
    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,970
    > @isam said:
    > If you were a Leave voter disgusted with the Tories handling of Brexit, who didn't like Corbyn and doesn't like the latest version of UKIP, who would you have voted for in these local elections?

    You wouldn't. As I said yesterday my choice for 2 seats was 2 Tory, 2 Labour or 1 Green. I spoilt my ballot rather than support any of them.
  • Options
    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,389
    isam said:

    If you were a Leave voter disgusted with the Tories handling of Brexit, who didn't like Corbyn and doesn't like the latest version of UKIP, who would you have voted for in these local elections?

    Everyone has to make compromises and in this case UKIP would be the option. If Brexit mattered that much.
  • Options
    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Sheffield finished couting

    2 Green gains from Lab: Gleadless Valley, Nether Edge & Sharrow
    3 LD gains from Lab: Beighton, Mosborough, East Ecclesfield (sitting as Independent)
    1 Lib Dem gain from UKIP: West Ecclesfield
    1 Labour gain from UKIP: Stocksbridge & Upper Don

    New council: Lab 49 (-3 or -4 depending on how you count the defector) Lib Dem 26 (+4) Green 8 (+2) UKIP 1 (-2) Ind 0 (-1)

    Labour lost the ward of Angela Smith's husband who was deselected. He stood as Independent and got something like 100 votes (in big ward where you lose with 1,000 votes)
  • Options
    Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,828
    Lab 2nd seat gain in Calderdale. No net losses from here and it's a gain from NOC.

    About half the results in.
  • Options
    TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,662
    > @Endillion said:
    > This Green surge is all very well, but what does it mean for them nationally? In the 2017 GE, they effectively campaigned for Labour across much of the country, under the banner of the "Progressive Alliance", and consequently saw their vote share plummet (relative to 2015). So what do they do in the next GE? Most of their (relatively speaking) realistic targets are Labour held, or else Tory marginals where they risk splitting the left-wing vote just by standing.
    >
    > They can't just stand 200 candidates in safe Tory seats and still claim to be a competitive national party, especially if thy have another few years of progress in the locals between now and then. And they can't oppose Labour/LDs without risking helping the Tories. So what do they do?

    The Green 'surge' in context; (results as currently standing) Green 70 councillors elected, Independents 406 councillors elected.
  • Options
    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,966
    > @rkrkrk said:
    > Liz Warren in 2nd in recent Quinnipac poll, narrowly ahead of Sanders.

    Nice, shes a few hundred quid better result than him for me.
  • Options
    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    > @Pulpstar said:
    > Rofl, our new councillor is 18 years old :o

    The age limit shouldn't have been lowered from 21 IMO.
  • Options
    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,236
    Is quoting back to normal?
  • Options
    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,676
    Just noticed this candidate in Blaydon:

    Lisabela Zxywhiddm Marschild, Space Navies Party, 133 (6.7%)

    Impressive!
  • Options
    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,896
    Lib Dems hold Watford and gain Mole Valley.
  • Options
    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,236
    > @Theuniondivvie said:
    > Is quoting back to normal?

    No.
  • Options
    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,966
    edited May 2019
    > @AndyJS said:
    > > @Pulpstar said:
    > > Rofl, our new councillor is 18 years old :o
    >
    > The age limit shouldn't have been lowered from 21 IMO.

    https://twitter.com/JohnMannMP/status/1124248373316530176

    I've kept his literature, he's going to limit the number of trucks passing through the village apparently...

    Will have to ask him how he's going to do that.
  • Options
    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,338
    >>>>>>>>>>>> @Theuniondivvie said:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Is quoting back to normal?

    Take a guess?
  • Options
    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763
    > @TOPPING said:
    > If you were a Leave voter disgusted with the Tories handling of Brexit, who didn't like Corbyn and doesn't like the latest version of UKIP, who would you have voted for in these local elections?
    >
    > Everyone has to make compromises and in this case UKIP would be the option. If Brexit mattered that much.

    the problem is atm it's always the other side people are expecting to do the compromising
  • Options
    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,896
    > @CarlottaVance said:
    > Trouble oop North....
    >
    > https://twitter.com/UKGenElect/status/1124278162328838144

    Darlington council is about as popular as Sunderland.
  • Options
    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,236
    > @CarlottaVance said:
    > https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1124276457977647106
    >
    >
    >
    > https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1124277258116579328

    Is Tessy going up to Aberdeen to sprinkle some of her inimitable fairy dust over the SCon conference? She won't get any hecklers there.

    Well, not now Boris has been banned.
  • Options
    paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,461
    > @isam said:
    > If you were a Leave voter disgusted with the Tories handling of Brexit, who didn't like Corbyn and doesn't like the latest version of UKIP, who would you have voted for in these local elections?

    I'm more disappointed that disgusted. I voted for an ex-labour independent. she came 2nd but well adrift of Lab.
  • Options
    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062

    > @williamglenn said:

    >





    Because the LibDems campaigned on dog mess and potholes, rather than Brexit.
    That does sound about their level right enough
  • Options
    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    edited May 2019
    Tory leader of Canterbury Council has lost his seat to the Lib Dems. Lib Dems and Greens formed a non-aggression pact in some areas.

    53% turnout!
  • Options
    eekeek Posts: 25,012
    > @CarlottaVance said:
    > Trouble oop North....
    >
    > https://twitter.com/UKGenElect/status/1124278162328838144

    Completely expected - in fact I'm surprised it's not worse - I'm actually surprised at some of the seats Labour won
  • Options
    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062
    edited May 2019
    What a fake. Tories also struggling to get 200 at their conference, why do they persist in booking large halls knowing they have no hope of filling them , looks about 5 rows at best. BBC will manage to manipulate the shots for them to kid on it was busy.
  • Options
    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,059
    Pulpstar said:

    > @AndyJS said:

    > > @Pulpstar said:

    > > Rofl, our new councillor is 18 years old :o

    >

    > The age limit shouldn't have been lowered from 21 IMO.







    I've kept his literature, he's going to limit the number of trucks passing through the village apparently...



    Will have to ask him how he's going to do that.
    Well, he could always do the same as the climate protesters in London and sit in the middle of the road with his chums ...
  • Options
    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
  • Options
    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,348
    > @AmpfieldAndy said:
    > > @CarlottaVance said:
    > > https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1124276457977647106
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1124277258116579328
    >
    > Shame May didn’t take his advice.

    Believe it or not TM is not the main problem here. Yes she has made mistakes but brexit is slipping away because of the ERG hard line position. Brexit will be lost altogether if the WDA is not passed in the next few weeks

    Boris or Rabb or any other brexiteer will not be able to change this narrative

    I am content forTM to stand down but you need to accept she is not the only reason for todays results
  • Options
    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Calderdale looks like a Labour gain
  • Options
    AmpfieldAndyAmpfieldAndy Posts: 1,445
    The council seats being won by independents is as big a story as protest votes going to the LDs but is getting a lot less airtime.
  • Options
    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,676
    While Craven is officially Tory loss to NOC, one of the Independents officially caucuses with the Tories, so they're still in charge. The other Independents are basically closet Tories too. Greens gained one of the Skipton wards.
  • Options
    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    The Tory vote seems to be completely cratering in very safe leafy southern areas - is thus a fundamental shift or safe hand sitting?
  • Options
    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062
    IanB2 said:

    > @malcolmg said:

    > New International Development Secretary Rory Stewart has said he intends to stand for the Conservative leadership after Theresa May steps down.

    >

    >

    >

    > Given he gets overlooked time and time again for a big job, supposed the only way to get one is via this route.

    >

    > He should take the hint and realise he is at least as crap as the rest of the donkeys, and given where he is the top brass think he is even worse, what a slap in the chops.

    >

    > So no one should run for the leadership ?

    >

    > Anybody can run, deluded or not, I personally think he has no idea how crap he is but you always need some cannon fodder and if he wants to make a fool of himself , why not.



    The talent bar in the Tory Party to considering yourself leadership material is hardly high.

    Have to agree there Ian.
  • Options
    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    > @dyedwoolie said:
    > The Tory vote seems to be completely cratering in very safe leafy southern areas - is thus a fundamental shift or safe hand sitting?

    Short memories. LDs always used to be a strong second (well, since the 90s!). How people have forgotten.
  • Options
    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062

    > @AmpfieldAndy said:

    > > @CarlottaVance said:

    > >



    > >

    > >

    > >

    > >

    >

    > Shame May didn’t take his advice.



    Believe it or not TM is not the main problem here. Yes she has made mistakes but brexit is slipping away because of the ERG hard line position. Brexit will be lost altogether if the WDA is not passed in the next few weeks



    Boris or Rabb or any other brexiteer will not be able to change this narrative



    I am content forTM to stand down but you need to accept she is not the only reason for todays results
    You made it home quick after getting chucked out G
  • Options
    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    > @dyedwoolie said:
    > The Tory vote seems to be completely cratering in very safe leafy southern areas - is thus a fundamental shift or safe hand sitting?

    Most of them will return to voting Tory at a general election.
  • Options
    El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 3,873
    .

    Just noticed this candidate in Blaydon:



    Lisabela Zxywhiddm Marschild, Space Navies Party, 133 (6.7%)



    Impressive!

    Her leaflet is quite magnificent:

    https://electionleaflets.org/leaflets/14770/
  • Options
    AmpfieldAndyAmpfieldAndy Posts: 1,445
    > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
    > > @AmpfieldAndy said:
    > > > @CarlottaVance said:
    > > > https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1124276457977647106
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > https://twitter.com/BBCHelenaLee/status/1124277258116579328
    > >
    > > Shame May didn’t take his advice.
    >
    > Believe it or not TM is not the main problem here. Yes she has made mistakes but brexit is slipping away because of the ERG hard line position. Brexit will be lost altogether if the WDA is not passed in the next few weeks
    >
    > Boris or Rabb or any other brexiteer will not be able to change this narrative
    >
    > I am content forTM to stand down but you need to accept she is not the only reason for todays results

    I think she actually is the root cause of all the Tory problems. Her deal has been rejected 3 times; she won’t move away from it; she has no political agenda apart from Brexit that is at all relevant to Britain; and she lacks any campaigning ability or political charisma.

    I am less preoccupied with whom the next leader is than the fact we get one who will give the party a chance to find some unity and some political relevance away from Brexit.
  • Options
    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,115
    These electios remind me of:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_United_Kingdom_local_elections

    when both Labour and the Conservatives lost out in their strongholds.
  • Options
    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,896
    It looks like Darlington is a Conservative gain from Labour.
  • Options
    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,116
    > @El_Capitano said:
    > .Just noticed this candidate in Blaydon:
    >
    >
    >
    > Lisabela Zxywhiddm Marschild, Space Navies Party, 133 (6.7%)
    >
    >
    >
    > Impressive!
    >
    > Her leaflet is quite magnificent:
    >
    > https://electionleaflets.org/leaflets/14770/

    “War is always wrong but sometimes necessary so we would use drone strikes on Alqueada [sic] leaders”

    Will council tax need to go up to pay for that?
  • Options
    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    > @Sean_F said:
    > It looks like Darlington is a Conservative gain from Labour.

    I'll wait for the Bastani Tweet
  • Options
    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Places like Redditch and Darlington are swinging from Lab to the Tories.
  • Options
    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,310
    The header is spot on. As a Labour supporter it pains me to say it but what a great day for the Lib Dems. They are surely the big story here. All the chatter about Vince Cable not cutting through as leader, being 'invisible' and 'low energy' etc etc, turns out to be bollox. These results are a triumph for his party and a vindication of the man. He can go out on a high now, assuming he does not change his mind about standing down this summer, and I'm pleased about that. As the only serious politician in the Western Hemisphere to predict the Great Financial Crash of 2008, he deserves no less.
  • Options
    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,059
    malcolmg said:

    Cicero said:

    > @malcolmg said:

    > New International Development Secretary Rory Stewart has said he intends to stand for the Conservative leadership after Theresa May steps down.

    >

    >

    >

    > Given he gets overlooked time and time again for a big job, supposed the only way to get one is via this route.

    >

    > He should take the hint and realise he is at least as crap as the rest of the donkeys, and given where he is the top brass think he is even worse, what a slap in the chops.



    What does this even mean? I'm not a Tory, but Stewart has been noticeably cooler under fire than most of the Cabinet and he has also demonstrated a much greater degree of loyalty. TBH the Tories could do a lot worse and in fact Stewart by being sane and loyal has actually earned his stripes. So don't let loathing of the Tories get in the way of a sober assessment of political reality.

    He has done nothing , an empty suit, talentless. Name me one thing he has done , pontificated about etc, he was shambles in the lowly prison job he had and it is hard to be duff at DFID as all you do is give shedloads of money away to crooks and chancers.
    As ever, Wiki is your friend:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rory_Stewart

    IMV the highlights are:

    *) Walking 6,000 miles from Pakistan to Nepal over two years, staying mainly with locals. whilst a lightweight distance-wise (*), that's one heck of a learning experience. He's also done long walks in this country.

    *) I haven't read his books, but they've been quite well received in reviews I've seen, and I thought his TV proggies excellent. even if you disagree with him, he's certainly got a mind.

    *) He set up a charity, the Turquoise Mountain Foundation, and ran it through its formative years.

    *) He was involved in governing two Iraqi provinces after the Iraq War. Whether you think he did a good job or not, it was not an easy place or task to do. IMO he deserves credit for even trying.

    So in summation: he observes, learns, thinks and tries. He puts in effort.

    It makes an MP such as, say, Gavin Newlands appear an empty vessel:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Newlands

    (*) Not really ... ;)
  • Options
    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    isam said:

    If you were a Leave voter disgusted with the Tories handling of Brexit, who didn't like Corbyn and doesn't like the latest version of UKIP, who would you have voted for in these local elections?

    No Ind here so probably Green as long as they were local environmentalist and not Corbyn-lite type.
  • Options
    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1124281407625420800?s=19

    Bad for Tories
    Woeful for the main opposition
This discussion has been closed.