Brexit's dead in the water, that much is for certain. It's over!
Corbyn likely to be Prime Minister in the days ahead.
How he lives up to the hope and expectation the Millennials have placed on him god only knows,
No he isn't, he will still be behind the Tories on seats, the SNP are also taking a pasting, most likely is Tory minority government, Hammond PM, with LD and DUP confidence and supply if necessary
Are you sure. If Conservatives are losing places like Putney and Witney?
The Tories have held ultra Remain Richmond Park, so they will likely hold Witney, Putney we shall see
Corbyn has been clear on Brexit. As Laura K pointed out why should it be assumed Ukip voters would all go Tory? You've got a perfectly good Eurosceptic in Corbyn. Combined with the Russell Brand/Lily Allen vote it's quite powerful.
Corbyn would Brexit it in a heartbeat... But the PLP won't stand for it... And nor would the SNP, Lib-Dems etc. who will be supporting his government.
So, I say again, Brexit is clearly finished! In fact the upshot of all of this may be that we finish up far more "integrated" with the Euro, etc in the next few years,.
I wonder what the SNP will seek for supporting a minority Labour administration.
It's a bit of a quandary for them. Presumably they've had a bad night which means independence looks further away, but as you suggest, the possibility of going for it again might be there. Or do they just ask for more money?
Brexit's dead in the water, that much is for certain. It's over!
Corbyn likely to be Prime Minister in the days ahead.
How he lives up to the hope and expectation the Millennials have placed on him god only knows,
No he isn't, he will still be behind the Tories on seats, the SNP are also taking a pasting, most likely is Tory minority government, Hammond PM, with LD and DUP confidence and supply if necessary
The LDs won't C&S Hammond to push Brexit through. Indeed they won't really want any deal with the Tories at all.
Indeed, it's why hard Brexit is dead. I think we'll end up with a second referendum with EEA/EFTA vs hard Brexit as part of the compromise for LD support on the Brexit deal.
I think there's some heavy over-estimation of willingness for almost any sort of co-operation amongst the LD membership and MP's, with any Tory-led Brexit process.
No, this was an anti austerity vote, not an anti Brexit vote, soft Brexit maybe
Except Cameron was able to win in 2015 after 5 years of austerity. Indeed he made a virtue of sound money.
Because May talked only about Brexit. She took Tory voters for granted.
And the 18-24 year olds turned out.
Where is Martin Boon now ?
austerity takes time to show, NHS was one of the biggest issue for a reason. And May said zilch on it. I have relatives who in it. It is in crisis. It is much worse then it has been for a long time. Cameron at least campaigned on it.
I've lost on the markets (though I've cut my losses on the Tory Majority bet on Betfair) but I'm delighted with what's transpiring.
Jeremy Corbyn, the only politician in my lifetime who I've been able to believe in, proving all his detractors wrong, overcoming all that the right-wing media were able to throw at him, and pulling a result out of the bag that I don't think anyone really dared believe possible just a day ago.
Social libertarian and left-wing economically, my ideal combination. I'm not going to be getting much sleep tonight!
I wonder what the SNP will seek for supporting a minority Labour administration.
Nothing, they can't vote down his budget without being slaughtered in the ensuing election. Indyref off the table for ages because brexit is no longer a tory brexit. SNP no leverage (I say this as a Scottish indy supporter)
I think we will stay in the EU now. The pressure to do it will be hugr
Both Labour and the Tories said they were committed to Brexit. We will leave. I might actually now get the EEA Brexit I always wanted and that I have money riding on.
Can't wait for the polling inquest after this election. ICM and ComRes reputations trashed
Every pollster makes mistakes. But what really grates was that ICM guy sounding so arrogant that he was right, and trashing any pollsters showing more optimistic results for Labour.
His poll ramping was making him look like a right fool yesterday.
Yes, calling the general election hasn't solved May's Brexit problem but it has killed off the resurging Scottish Independence campaign. But Brexit is bad for the Tories so it's bad for Ruth Davidson. Therefore the SNP will start to claw its way back over the next two years.
I think we will stay in the EU now. The pressure to do it will be hugr
Both Labour and the Tories said they were committed to Brexit. We will leave. I might actually now get the EEA Brexit I always wanted and that I have money riding on.
Five year EFTA/EEA with referendum at the end of the period on whether we want to separate further.
Corbyn has been clear on Brexit. As Laura K pointed out why should it be assumed Ukip voters would all go Tory? You've got a perfectly good Eurosceptic in Corbyn. Combined with the Russell Brand/Lily Allen vote it's quite powerful.
It's interesting that Corbyn's lukewarm stance against Brexit was seen as a big mistake compared with the LibDem commitment to a second referendum, but the subtler approach proved more popular.
How did you get it so wrong ? Did you not see this coming ?
Well, in fairness not even Labour saw it coming. Youth turnout probably was as high as reported (not merely up, but way up), and the crapness of the campaign was particularly impacful in marginals).
Corbyn has been clear on Brexit. As Laura K pointed out why should it be assumed Ukip voters would all go Tory? You've got a perfectly good Eurosceptic in Corbyn. Combined with the Russell Brand/Lily Allen vote it's quite powerful.
It's interesting that Corbyn's lukewarm stance against Brexit was seen as a big mistake compared with the LibDem commitment to a second referendum, but the subtler approach proved more popular.
It is extraordinary, truly. I feel happy, you must be truly elated.
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I don't know if/how she's pivoted since.
So, I say again, Brexit is clearly finished! In fact the upshot of all of this may be that we finish up far more "integrated" with the Euro, etc in the next few years,.
Shy Tories? We have seen just the start of that.....
That ship has sailed.
Which reminds me: last week I got a questionnaire from my son's nursery asking me: "Do your child(ren) normally love with you?"
My mind boggles.
(Bit disappointing, that was my only pro-Tory position)
He doesn't need your vote now.
Jeremy Corbyn, the only politician in my lifetime who I've been able to believe in, proving all his detractors wrong, overcoming all that the right-wing media were able to throw at him, and pulling a result out of the bag that I don't think anyone really dared believe possible just a day ago.
Social libertarian and left-wing economically, my ideal combination. I'm not going to be getting much sleep tonight!
If he gets in, he'll call 2nd GE and get a majority.
So, Lose-Lose in the end.
The Tories are getting smashed in the south.
Tooting 34 fucking thousand votes.
Solves almost all problems.
NEW THREAD NEW THREAD
Yes, this is the common theme.
Absolute fucking wipeout
PM Corbyn
Woolfie Smith would be proud!
How did you get it so wrong ? Did you not see this coming ?