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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,346
    alex. said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Brexit's dead in the water, that much is for certain. It's over!

    Corbyn likely to be Prime Minister in the days ahead.

    How he lives up to the hope and expectation the Millennials have placed on him god only knows,

    No he isn't, he will still be behind the Tories on seats, the SNP are also taking a pasting, most likely is Tory minority government, Hammond PM, with LD and DUP confidence and supply if necessary
    Are you sure. If Conservatives are losing places like Putney and Witney?
    The Tories have held ultra Remain Richmond Park, so they will likely hold Witney, Putney we shall see
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    We are surely heading for another election
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Artist said:

    GeoffM said:

    Lady Sylvia holds North Down - think she may be pro-Labour?

    Yes she is.
    Before Corbyn she was
    Okay that's a fair point. I was very clear on her position a few years ago.
    I don't know if/how she's pivoted since.
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    RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,979
    Convinced Corbyn now next PM. Ugh.
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    JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400

    At least the SNP are taking a bit of a pasting in Scotland.

    That's something.

    Yep. Lets hope all three unionist parties get their licks in against them
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,147

    Best website for love results?

    Grinder.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,352
    EDW20000 said:

    Zac G could be good bet for next leader

    Please god no.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,004
    edited June 2017

    Corbyn has been clear on Brexit. As Laura K pointed out why should it be assumed Ukip voters would all go Tory? You've got a perfectly good Eurosceptic in Corbyn. Combined with the Russell Brand/Lily Allen vote it's quite powerful.

    Corbyn would Brexit it in a heartbeat... But the PLP won't stand for it... And nor would the SNP, Lib-Dems etc. who will be supporting his government.

    So, I say again, Brexit is clearly finished! In fact the upshot of all of this may be that we finish up far more "integrated" with the Euro, etc in the next few years,.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Can't wait for the polling inquest after this election. ICM and ComRes reputations trashed

    Do we know what the vote shares are likely to be?
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    edited June 2017

    If Corbyn becomes PM, even of a minority, then he's a dictator. He's seen off opposition both intra- and extra- his party. He's the boss.

    Well done to him. A relatively brilliant campaign.

    And a dictator in the country too, where the Corbynistas will stamp out any dissent.

    Shy Tories? We have seen just the start of that.....


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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,279
    Quick question 2: is Lab most seats a possibility?

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,056
    I think we can write off Aaron's chances unfortunately.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,236

    I wonder what the SNP will seek for supporting a minority Labour administration.

    It's a bit of a quandary for them. Presumably they've had a bad night which means independence looks further away, but as you suggest, the possibility of going for it again might be there. Or do they just ask for more money?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,346
    I feel very sorry for Amber Rudd, she lost her father a fortnight ago, her former husband last year and still did the debate
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    After 25 results, virtually no swing between Con and Lab.
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    vikvik Posts: 157
    Sweeeet ... NOM now at 1.3 on betfair. :)
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    MaxPB said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Brexit's dead in the water, that much is for certain. It's over!

    Corbyn likely to be Prime Minister in the days ahead.

    How he lives up to the hope and expectation the Millennials have placed on him god only knows,

    No he isn't, he will still be behind the Tories on seats, the SNP are also taking a pasting, most likely is Tory minority government, Hammond PM, with LD and DUP confidence and supply if necessary
    The LDs won't C&S Hammond to push Brexit through. Indeed they won't really want any deal with the Tories at all.
    Indeed, it's why hard Brexit is dead. I think we'll end up with a second referendum with EEA/EFTA vs hard Brexit as part of the compromise for LD support on the Brexit deal.
    I think there's some heavy over-estimation of willingness for almost any sort of co-operation amongst the LD membership and MP's, with any Tory-led Brexit process.

    That ship has sailed.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,340

    Best website for love results?

    Pornhub ? ;)

    Which reminds me: last week I got a questionnaire from my son's nursery asking me: "Do your child(ren) normally love with you?"

    My mind boggles.
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,913
    Con not taking City of Chester... No UKIP candidate stood.
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    PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083
    We have crossover on next PM on Betfair.

    (Bit disappointing, that was my only pro-Tory position)
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,196
    Pulpstar said:

    I've got 6 grand of student debt, I do hope Corbyn will write it all off.

    I doubt it.

    He doesn't need your vote now.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,234
    edited June 2017

    We are surely heading for another election

    Nope. Corbyn minority PM. FTPA still in place and Tories wouldn't want another round - they need a new manifesto, while Labour know theirs works.
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    EDW20000EDW20000 Posts: 138
    Yes, Etonian Zac G is charmer and v. popular with the ladies
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    surbiton said:

    JonathanD said:

    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    ARE WE WITNESSING THE END OF BREXIT?

    It is dead in the water !!!
    No, this was an anti austerity vote, not an anti Brexit vote, soft Brexit maybe
    Except Cameron was able to win in 2015 after 5 years of austerity. Indeed he made a virtue of sound money.

    Because May talked only about Brexit. She took Tory voters for granted.

    And the 18-24 year olds turned out.

    Where is Martin Boon now ?
    austerity takes time to show, NHS was one of the biggest issue for a reason. And May said zilch on it. I have relatives who in it. It is in crisis. It is much worse then it has been for a long time. Cameron at least campaigned on it.
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    TravelJunkieTravelJunkie Posts: 431
    Pudsey gone...great result.
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    Amber Rudd breaking down in tears
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,099

    Lady Sylvia run close by DUP

    They did well to get the 4k other unionists from 2015, e.g. Conservatives / UKIP / TUV, and about 2-3k previous non-voters.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,346
    Labour say they have taken Broxtowe, Pudsey and beaten Clegg in Sheffield Hallam, confirms the anti austerity mood
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,684

    Why don't Ed Balls and George Osborne just run the country?

    These guys are wasted outside the Commons, and are clearly good friends.

    I'd take George as PM and Ed Balls as Chancellor.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,000

    tyson said:

    Hard Brexit has died.

    All we need is taxes to go not up massively for most people in this country, and I'm happy.

    Brexit is gone...finished...garroted....
    tyson. I'm speaking to you honestly here. PB Tories think Corbyn will be economically a disaster for us.

    What do you think? Do you think it's just an exaggeration?

    He would be severely restricted. The MPs being elected are largely moderates.

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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    HYUFD said:

    I feel very sorry for Amber Rudd, she lost her father a fortnight ago, her former husband last year and still did the debate

    You wouldn't if you had a look at Companies House and see how many investors she left high and dry with her business career
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,919
    LABOUR ARE BACK
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    handandmousehandandmouse Posts: 213
    I've lost on the markets (though I've cut my losses on the Tory Majority bet on Betfair) but I'm delighted with what's transpiring.

    Jeremy Corbyn, the only politician in my lifetime who I've been able to believe in, proving all his detractors wrong, overcoming all that the right-wing media were able to throw at him, and pulling a result out of the bag that I don't think anyone really dared believe possible just a day ago.

    Social libertarian and left-wing economically, my ideal combination. I'm not going to be getting much sleep tonight!
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    I wonder what the SNP will seek for supporting a minority Labour administration.

    Will there be enough of them to make a difference?
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,052
    CROSSOVER Corbyn is PM on BeTFAIR
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    viewcode said:

    Quick question 2: is Lab most seats a possibility?

    More that a possibility. A real likelihood.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    UKIP voters are not voting on brexit they are voting on austerity. They suffer most from it.
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    volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    It's good to be alive #JezWeCan
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,350

    Amber Rudd breaking down in tears

    Poor her. At the start of the day she probably thought she was going to be the next Chancellor. Now she probably won't be an MP.
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,913
    JonathanD said:

    At least the SNP are taking a bit of a pasting in Scotland.

    That's something.

    Yep. Lets hope all three unionist parties get their licks in against them
    The SNP getting a minority of seats would be lovely.
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819

    I wonder what the SNP will seek for supporting a minority Labour administration.

    Nothing, they can't vote down his budget without being slaughtered in the ensuing election. Indyref off the table for ages because brexit is no longer a tory brexit. SNP no leverage (I say this as a Scottish indy supporter)
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,067

    I think we will stay in the EU now. The pressure to do it will be hugr

    Both Labour and the Tories said they were committed to Brexit. We will leave. I might actually now get the EEA Brexit I always wanted and that I have money riding on.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,061
    viewcode said:

    Quick question 2: is Lab most seats a possibility?

    Starting to move on Betfair that way.. . Long way to go.
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    OliverOliver Posts: 33
    Rudd is a class act, would be a huge loss IMO
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Jonathan said:

    LABOUR ARE BACK

    They are indeed - god help us all
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited June 2017
    Con hold Carisle comfortably
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,338
    Con must keep Corbyn out of Downing Street if possible.

    If he gets in, he'll call 2nd GE and get a majority.
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    EDW20000EDW20000 Posts: 138
    Where were you for Amber Rudd etc. etc. ?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,919

    Labour doing well in Basingstoke....Basingstoke in Hampshire omg

    In Basingstoke?!
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    oh shit battersea "labour gain". wtf!?!?!?
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,972
    vik said:

    Sweeeet ... NOM now at 1.3 on betfair. :)

    It is looking likely now.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,041
    26 seats in.. when do the BBC update their forecast? :o
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Danny565 said:

    Can't wait for the polling inquest after this election. ICM and ComRes reputations trashed

    Every pollster makes mistakes. But what really grates was that ICM guy sounding so arrogant that he was right, and trashing any pollsters showing more optimistic results for Labour.
    His poll ramping was making him look like a right fool yesterday.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,340

    Convinced Corbyn now next PM. Ugh.

    And it's all down to the so-called 'conservative' Brexiters. )
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Fairly good result for Tories in Carlisle.
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    spudgfsh said:

    Could be the end of #INDYREF2 though

    Yes, calling the general election hasn't solved May's Brexit problem but it has killed off the resurging Scottish Independence campaign. But Brexit is bad for the Tories so it's bad for Ruth Davidson. Therefore the SNP will start to claw its way back over the next two years.

    So, Lose-Lose in the end.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,346

    I wonder what the SNP will seek for supporting a minority Labour administration.

    IndyRef 2
    Single Market membership
    Maybe even EUref 2
    The SNP have suffered a big swing against them tonight, they should be ignored
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,088
    If Corbyn does make it who on earth replaces May?
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    HYUFD said:

    Labour say they have taken Broxtowe, Pudsey and beaten Clegg in Sheffield Hallam, confirms the anti austerity mood

    As far as Clegg goes, you're right. Some of these are clearly Left votes, rather than just Remain votes.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,684
    Huge win for Labour in Tooting.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,346
    Tooting Labour hold
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928

    Can't wait for the polling inquest after this election. ICM and ComRes reputations trashed

    Battersea is a Labour GAIN. Confirmed.

    The Tories are getting smashed in the south.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,994
    Amazing result in Edinburgh South!!
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,234
    The British Trump wins
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    EDW20000EDW20000 Posts: 138
    The country is ruined, expect massive fall in stockmarket and pound
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    I think we will stay in the EU now. The pressure to do it will be hugr

    Why, with both main parties headed by Leavers?
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    A tip. Wandsworth Council will go Labour at the next Local election.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Lost with three little words: "citizens of nowhere".
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    TravelJunkieTravelJunkie Posts: 431
    Big result for Tories in Carlisle

    Tooting 34 fucking thousand votes.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Roger said:

    Amazing result in Edinburgh South!!

    Do you have the figures?
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,919
    Has anyone checked Canterbury. Just saying.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,352

    I think we will stay in the EU now. The pressure to do it will be hugr

    Both Labour and the Tories said they were committed to Brexit. We will leave. I might actually now get the EEA Brexit I always wanted and that I have money riding on.
    Five year EFTA/EEA with referendum at the end of the period on whether we want to separate further.

    Solves almost all problems.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,346
    Some seats in London suburbs voted Leave
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,879

    NEW THREAD NEW THREAD

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    MattyNethMattyNeth Posts: 60
    Cons nowhere near in Tooting
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,919

    Amber Rudd breaking down in tears

    Poor lass. Doesn't deserve this.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,041
    Jonathan said:

    Has anyone checked Canterbury. Just saying.

    Arf :D
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    handandmousehandandmouse Posts: 213
    That is a seriously high turnout in Tooting!
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,913
    That Tooting result. 15k majority. That is massive. Very few Con seats in London are safe. LDs may come through the middle.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,919
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    ArtistArtist Posts: 1,884
    That's a pasting in Tooting
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    Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    Massive swing in Tooting
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,338
    NEW THREAD
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    dodradedodrade Posts: 595
    Crumb of comfort for Tories, DUP likely to make gains, will probably need them.
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    OUTOUT Posts: 569
    Power to the people.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Tooting shows London an absolute disaaster zone for the Tories. Any news on IDS in Chingford?
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    Fucking huge majority for Labour in Tooting. 15,000!!!!!! Was 2000 under Sadiq Khan

    Absolute fucking wipeout

    PM Corbyn
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    TravelJunkieTravelJunkie Posts: 431
    Justine greening has to be in trouble
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,832
    Huge swing in Tooting.

    Woolfie Smith would be proud!
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    Clown_Car_HQClown_Car_HQ Posts: 169

    Why don't Ed Balls and George Osborne just run the country?

    These guys are wasted outside the Commons, and are clearly good friends.

    Perhaps they should do a gang of two and establish a new party. Learn from Macron.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Attention: PB Tories [ except David Herdson ]

    How did you get it so wrong ? Did you not see this coming ?
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,984
    JICIPM
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    HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    And both were lies.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,380

    Corbyn has been clear on Brexit. As Laura K pointed out why should it be assumed Ukip voters would all go Tory? You've got a perfectly good Eurosceptic in Corbyn. Combined with the Russell Brand/Lily Allen vote it's quite powerful.

    It's interesting that Corbyn's lukewarm stance against Brexit was seen as a big mistake compared with the LibDem commitment to a second referendum, but the subtler approach proved more popular.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    HYUFD said:

    Labour say they have taken Broxtowe, Pudsey and beaten Clegg in Sheffield Hallam, confirms the anti austerity mood

    Broxtowe moving rightwards - against the trend - then.
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    TravelJunkieTravelJunkie Posts: 431
    Towns that are connected to the global economy are voting labour.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,234
    surbiton said:

    Attention: PB Tories [ except David Herdson ]

    How did you get it so wrong ? Did you not see this coming ?

    Well, in fairness not even Labour saw it coming. Youth turnout probably was as high as reported (not merely up, but way up), and the crapness of the campaign was particularly impacful in marginals).
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,994
    AndyJS said:

    Roger said:

    Amazing result in Edinburgh South!!

    Do you have the figures?
    All I know is over 10,000
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    TravelJunkieTravelJunkie Posts: 431
    Carlisle great result for tories
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,000

    Corbyn has been clear on Brexit. As Laura K pointed out why should it be assumed Ukip voters would all go Tory? You've got a perfectly good Eurosceptic in Corbyn. Combined with the Russell Brand/Lily Allen vote it's quite powerful.

    It's interesting that Corbyn's lukewarm stance against Brexit was seen as a big mistake compared with the LibDem commitment to a second referendum, but the subtler approach proved more popular.

    It is extraordinary, truly. I feel happy, you must be truly elated.

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