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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,652
    Lowlander said:

    I keep coming back to what Pulpstar said about pollsters weighting by GE voting. This is going to distort the polling heavily in Remains favour. I'm really thinking about increasing my Leave backing - but ugh, can't decide.

    I've a sense of foreboding that you would be right to do so...

    Not confident of a Remain win.
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    GravitationGravitation Posts: 281
    AndyJS said:

    Leave could still edge this, just.

    Will need to have a few surprising results, particularly in the first few hours of the results.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Neither of my neighbours whose windows I can see are watching anything to do with the Ref.

    Looks like Eggheads, and an interview with Muhammed Ali...
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    OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,943
    alex. said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    RodCrosby said:

    I'm seeing 83.7% estimated turnout

    Bloody hell.
    Sky: bottom right
    Sure that isn't just Gibraltar's turnout?
    Nobody could have the national turnout this early on - not to 1 decimal point!
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,080
    Was just checking the last time UK general election turnout went above 80%. Seems it only happened once in the 20th century in the 1951 general election which I think had a turnout of 82.6%
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @jamesmatthewsky: @BBCPhilipSim Probably a rogue sample - #Edinburgh turnout over 80%
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    John Curtice lying!

    Claims that the exit poll was correct last year.

    Prediction: Hung parliament
    Result: Conservative majority.

    The headline on the exit poll was not "hung parliament".
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,974
    Fenster said:

    viewcode said:

    I WANT JEREMY KYLE DEAD
    I WANT JEREMY KYLE DEAD
    I WANT JEREMY KYLE DEAD
    AND HIS CAT

    Fuck me. Is Jeremy Kyle doing politics now? The working classes really are out in their droves. Only Kyle can control them.
    He will be whipping out his lie detector, "Are you telling me Turkey is joining the EU?"
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,459
    Wanderer said:

    AndyJS said:

    Leave could still edge this, just.

    If it's going to be that close then Leave will win Sunderland. Wonder how the markets will react to that.
    Leave will win Sunderland, even if it's not that close.

    55% Leave is the figure to look for.
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    tpfkar said:

    viewcode said:

    On a somewhat serious point for a moment. There are many people here on both sides who fought hard. I know TSE and Casino_Royale, and many others, have given up their time and have canvassed and campaigned, and that effort should be recognised.

    By 6am tomorrow somebody will have lost. I won't patronise you: I hope REMAIN will win. But regardless of who wins, I would like to thank all those here on both sides, REMAIN and LEAVE, who took the time and effort to voice their thoughts and experiences. It would not have been the same without you, and even if you lose, I hope you all go on to greater success in life.

    Well said. More than anything else, I've hated what this campaign has brought out in Britain over the past few months - i hope this can be the attitude as we move on from such a divisive referendum.
    What is worse - bringing it out or having it festering under the surface with our leaders pretending the issues are not significant
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    saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    tyson said:

    IDS saying the great unwashed are voting in droves

    Dicks like IDS, are what made me dither up to the last moment. An odious, treacherous, three masted, sea going shit.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    Scott_P said:

    We need some Leave rumours to drop the betfair price so we can all cash out

    Quick! To Twitter!
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,733
    SeanT said:

    I wonder if we may see an indyref result, where exceptional turnout surprisingly favoured NO, as quiet loyalists showed up and voted.

    I think quiet middle classes and lower middle classes have come out and surprisingly favoured IN, because Project Fear.

    Why do you think that the middle classes and lower middle classes succumbed to Project Fear, while you were able to see through it all?

    You should be writing in The Guardian with sentiments like that.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    UKIP saying their polling is the opposite...
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    rcs1000 said:

    Wanderer said:

    AndyJS said:

    Leave could still edge this, just.

    If it's going to be that close then Leave will win Sunderland. Wonder how the markets will react to that.
    Leave will win Sunderland, even if it's not that close.

    55% Leave is the figure to look for.
    Sure, but if the overall result is going to be that close then local variation in Sunderland could throw up 58% or 52% or whatever.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,459

    John Curtice lying!

    Claims that the exit poll was correct last year.

    Prediction: Hung parliament
    Result: Conservative majority.

    The exit poll was pretty good, it had LDs within two seats, UKIP within one, and it got the Tories within about 15.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,977
    Scott_P said:

    We need some Leave rumours to drop the betfair price so we can all cash out

    Down to 10.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    DanSmith said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SpiegelPeter: Sources briefed on hedge fund exit polls told me they had similar 52-48 result for Remain as of late afternoon https://t.co/fWk5qpoqSz

    I tell you what, hedge funds have big balls to go big on a MOE result.
    They are gambling with other people's money.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    I wonder if we may see an indyref result, where exceptional turnout surprisingly favoured NO, as quiet loyalists showed up and voted.

    I think quiet middle classes and lower middle classes have come out and surprisingly favoured IN, because Project Fear.

    Why do you think that the middle classes and lower middle classes succumbed to Project Fear, while you were able to see through it all?

    You should be writing in The Guardian with sentiments like that.
    Sean didn't see through it. He believed it. He just chose to ignore it.
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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 729

    John Curtice lying!

    Claims that the exit poll was correct last year.

    Prediction: Hung parliament
    Result: Conservative majority.

    Incorrect - the projection was Conservatives: Largest Party. Neither a hung parliament nor a majority was predicted.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited June 2016
    Scott_P said:

    @jamesmatthewsky: @BBCPhilipSim Probably a rogue sample - #Edinburgh turnout over 80%

    Are you shitting me? My polling station was dead when I went. I've voted there for all sorts of elections including council by-elections. It did not seem IndyRef levels of buzzing.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,459
    SeanT said:

    Let's compare referendum wines! I'm guzzling Capologno di Torbe Amarone, 2009. And delicious it is. Mmmmmmmm. *falls over, slightly*

    I love Amarone.

    In fact, I think I'm going to open a bottle.
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    Pound at 1.50 for dollar

    Sell sterling, Mr. G.. The economic essentials haven't changed.
    Quite. GBPUSD has risen 120 points in the last 30 minutes on low volume. Has the look of market manipulation before a savage drop.
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Mortimer said:

    Scott_P said:

    We need some Leave rumours to drop the betfair price so we can all cash out

    Down to 10.
    Well done getting on at 16!
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Private UKIP exit poll shows Leave victory, apparently.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    NeilVW said:

    John Curtice lying!

    Claims that the exit poll was correct last year.

    Prediction: Hung parliament
    Result: Conservative majority.

    Incorrect - the projection was Conservatives: Largest Party. Neither a hung parliament nor a majority was predicted.
    Yes -- John Curtice said at the time that the "upper range" of the exit poll pointed to a small Tory majority. 316 seats was just the midpoint of their projections.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,133
    UKIP managing to make a pigs ear of even a basic poll.

    Farage saying Remain have edged it.
    UKIP saying Leave have edged it.

    Clear as mud.

    They really do need rid of Farage, all the more so if they are supposed to take advantage of a very close result.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    tlg86 said:

    Save Dave letter being read out on Sky News - 84 Remain Tories signed it.

    Save the Leave MPs more like. Who's who for the cull ? Theresa Villiers, Priti Patel,....
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,977
    SeanT said:

    Let's compare referendum wines! I'm guzzling Capologno di Torbe Amarone, 2009. And delicious it is. Mmmmmmmm. *falls over, slightly*

    I might drink a bit of my 2015 claret in May 2020.

    Deferred gratification and all that.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,055
    This is really quite exciting. Almost, bit not quite as good as the first x factor.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,147
    AndyJS said:

    Private UKIP exit poll shows Leave victory, apparently.

    Bwhahaha. LOL.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,114

    NEW THREAD NEW THREAD NEW THREAD NEW THREAD

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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,099
    rcs1000 said:

    John Curtice lying!

    Claims that the exit poll was correct last year.

    Prediction: Hung parliament
    Result: Conservative majority.

    The exit poll was pretty good, it had LDs within two seats, UKIP within one, and it got the Tories within about 15.
    I know they did quite well but ultimately they predicted a hung parliament and the actual result was a Tory majority. The exit poll always focuses first and foremost on the result.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,733
    SeanT said:

    Let's compare referendum wines! I'm guzzling Capologno di Torbe Amarone, 2009. And delicious it is. Mmmmmmmm. *falls over, slightly*

    I've gone Tiger Beer; it's so close and balmy in cosmopolitan London.

    Not saying I won't move on to Aberlour.
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    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Let's compare referendum wines! I'm guzzling Capologno di Torbe Amarone, 2009. And delicious it is. Mmmmmmmm. *falls over, slightly*

    I love Amarone.

    In fact, I think I'm going to open a bottle.
    Mine is a La Cantera Carinena 2008 - It was a little dusty when pulled from the cellar
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    OUTOUT Posts: 569
    Come on Sunderland, hurry the F up.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    SeanT said:

    Let's compare referendum wines! I'm guzzling Capologno di Torbe Amarone, 2009. And delicious it is. Mmmmmmmm. *falls over, slightly*

    As a miser I'm sipping Waitrose's Villa Maria Sauvignon. Mind you, I'm also eating Cadbury's mini eggs, just to fully establish my Philistine credentials.
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    tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,548

    tpfkar said:

    viewcode said:

    On a somewhat serious point for a moment. There are many people here on both sides who fought hard. I know TSE and Casino_Royale, and many others, have given up their time and have canvassed and campaigned, and that effort should be recognised.

    By 6am tomorrow somebody will have lost. I won't patronise you: I hope REMAIN will win. But regardless of who wins, I would like to thank all those here on both sides, REMAIN and LEAVE, who took the time and effort to voice their thoughts and experiences. It would not have been the same without you, and even if you lose, I hope you all go on to greater success in life.

    Well said. More than anything else, I've hated what this campaign has brought out in Britain over the past few months - i hope this can be the attitude as we move on from such a divisive referendum.
    What is worse - bringing it out or having it festering under the surface with our leaders pretending the issues are not significant
    Time will tell. I'm not sure where the frustrations with immigration, identity and foreigners will go now they are in the open, if it is to be a Remain. Especially with the press we have.

    P.S. Would it be rude to ask where in Bedfordshire you are? We may be round the corner from each other.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,974
    Lowlander said:

    SeanT said:

    I wonder if we may see an indyref result, where exceptional turnout surprisingly favoured NO, as quiet loyalists showed up and voted.

    I think quiet middle classes and lower middle classes have come out and surprisingly favoured IN, because Project Fear.

    The difference is that Indyref turnout was higher by the same amounts in each area as at a General or Scottish election. I don't think that will happen here, we could be getting 80% in the WWC shires and sub 70% in Scotland and Metropolitan areas outside London.

    That will make a huge distortion to the way polls predict the outcome.
    I don't think that's the case. Turnout was high in Glasgow at Indyref. Having said that the demographics are different this time. Older people and professionals both tended to No but will tend different directions time.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    massive reaction on BF, the other way now...
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,977
    Wanderer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Scott_P said:

    We need some Leave rumours to drop the betfair price so we can all cash out

    Down to 10.
    Well done getting on at 16!
    Too cowardly to go too much - but now down to 8.6
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    bazzerbazzer Posts: 44
    rcs1000 said:

    John Curtice lying!

    Claims that the exit poll was correct last year.

    Prediction: Hung parliament
    Result: Conservative majority.

    The exit poll was pretty good, it had LDs within two seats, UKIP within one, and it got the Tories within about 15.
    The GE exit poll did not in fact predict a "hung parliament".

    It predicted "conservatives largest party".

    It did this because Curtice et al from their research had a sense that the Tories were going to get an overall majority, but it seemed so far off the consensus that they didn't want to call it at 10pm.

    They therefore opted for a new verdict, not a hung parliament, not a Tory majority but the "conservatives to get the largest number of seats".

    This left open the possiblity of a Tory majority while avoiding an outcry if it had been a hung parliament with the Tories the largest party after all.

    It was the mugs who piled into overall majority at 1/10 who complained the exit poll called it wrong.

    It didn't - it never spelt out a hung parliament. Curtice knew at 10pm a Tory majority was the most likely result.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    SeanT said:

    Let's compare referendum wines! I'm guzzling Capologno di Torbe Amarone, 2009. And delicious it is. Mmmmmmmm. *falls over, slightly*

    With supper: Ch Moulin Riche (second wine of Ch. Léoville Poyferré) 2005.

    Sobriety now.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,055
    SeanT said:

    Let's compare referendum wines! I'm guzzling Capologno di Torbe Amarone, 2009. And delicious it is. Mmmmmmmm. *falls over, slightly*

    Mine is a pleasant MontiFalco

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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    UKIP managing to make a pigs ear of even a basic poll.

    Farage saying Remain have edged it.
    UKIP saying Leave have edged it.

    Clear as mud.

    They really do need rid of Farage, all the more so if they are supposed to take advantage of a very close result.

    Farage doesn't want to jinx a tight Leave victory. The gods are jealous.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,071
    I made it. Got into the station at 9.47. Ran to the car, broke every speed limit and got there as they were preparing to close down. I was the second last in; the last person was also a late train casualty and also Remain.

    Very pleased to have taken part!
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    LadyBucketLadyBucket Posts: 590
    Nigel Farage just can't resist can he? He always has to make the headlines.

    Anyway, which ever way this result goes, this is still a fantastic country to live in and we really are very lucky, particularly when you look at other parts of the world.

    Goodnight.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,733
    tyson said:

    This is really quite exciting. Almost, bit not quite as good as the first x factor.

    Or first Big Brother. Bless Nasty Nick.
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    DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    bazzer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John Curtice lying!

    Claims that the exit poll was correct last year.

    Prediction: Hung parliament
    Result: Conservative majority.

    The exit poll was pretty good, it had LDs within two seats, UKIP within one, and it got the Tories within about 15.
    The GE exit poll did not in fact predict a "hung parliament".

    It predicted "conservatives largest party".

    It did this because Curtice et al from their research had a sense that the Tories were going to get an overall majority, but it seemed so far off the consensus that they didn't want to call it at 10pm.

    They therefore opted for a new verdict, not a hung parliament, not a Tory majority but the "conservatives to get the largest number of seats".

    This left open the possiblity of a Tory majority while avoiding an outcry if it had been a hung parliament with the Tories the largest party after all.

    It was the mugs who piled into overall majority at 1/10 who complained the exit poll called it wrong.

    It didn't - it never spelt out a hung parliament. Curtice knew at 10pm a Tory majority was the most likely result.
    The exit poll was very clear how many seats it was predicting for the Tories and the Tories were well short of a majority.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited June 2016
    Just laid remain 50-55% @ 1.67.

    The result is nowhere near that certain right now.
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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 729
    Danny565 said:

    Newcastle turnout projected to be 68-70%.

    Newcastle GE2015 turnout

    Central: 60.3%
    East: 61.1%
    North: 66.1%

    Sunderland was down in the mid-to-late 50s.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    tyson said:

    SeanT said:

    Let's compare referendum wines! I'm guzzling Capologno di Torbe Amarone, 2009. And delicious it is. Mmmmmmmm. *falls over, slightly*

    Mine is a pleasant MontiFalco

    Guiness West Indian Porter for me, recommended!
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Odds-on for 50-55 looks insane at this stage
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    so when do we get the first bit of feed back from the counts???
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    saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    tlg86 said:

    this is the problem with ids, nothing matters more to him than being out of the eu.... it's shown.

    And we now know that the problem with Cameron and Osborne is that nothing matters more to them than being in the EU. Whatever the outcome, this referendum has flushed out the Tories for what they are.
    What utter crap, this was a binary choice, you can't fight a little bit for the side you are on. Dorks like you will ensure the festering continues what ever the result is.
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    GravitationGravitation Posts: 281
    Woah, leave down to under 9 on Betfair. Is it a result of some private polls?

    And this is before we know about a single result!
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,733

    I made it. Got into the station at 9.47. Ran to the car, broke every speed limit and got there as they were preparing to close down. I was the second last in; the last person was also a late train casualty and also Remain.

    Very pleased to have taken part!

    Well done!

    You deserve a glass of.......
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    corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    GIN1138 said:

    Was just checking the last time UK general election turnout went above 80%. Seems it only happened once in the 20th century in the 1951 general election which I think had a turnout of 82.6%

    1950 as well.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,744
    John_M said:

    SeanT said:

    Let's compare referendum wines! I'm guzzling Capologno di Torbe Amarone, 2009. And delicious it is. Mmmmmmmm. *falls over, slightly*

    As a miser I'm sipping Waitrose's Villa Maria Sauvignon. Mind you, I'm also eating Cadbury's mini eggs, just to fully establish my Philistine credentials.
    I have a McLaren Vale Durif Rose, courtesy of whoever it was who provided yesterday's winning Kempton Racing tip (cheers!)
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    bazzerbazzer Posts: 44
    DanSmith said:

    bazzer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John Curtice lying!

    Claims that the exit poll was correct last year.

    Prediction: Hung parliament
    Result: Conservative majority.

    The exit poll was pretty good, it had LDs within two seats, UKIP within one, and it got the Tories within about 15.
    The GE exit poll did not in fact predict a "hung parliament".

    It predicted "conservatives largest party".

    It did this because Curtice et al from their research had a sense that the Tories were going to get an overall majority, but it seemed so far off the consensus that they didn't want to call it at 10pm.

    They therefore opted for a new verdict, not a hung parliament, not a Tory majority but the "conservatives to get the largest number of seats".

    This left open the possiblity of a Tory majority while avoiding an outcry if it had been a hung parliament with the Tories the largest party after all.

    It was the mugs who piled into overall majority at 1/10 who complained the exit poll called it wrong.

    It didn't - it never spelt out a hung parliament. Curtice knew at 10pm a Tory majority was the most likely result.
    The exit poll was very clear how many seats it was predicting for the Tories and the Tories were well short of a majority.
    Can you back this up please? during the course of the night a projected number of seats appeared on the ticker at the bottom of the screen updating based on results, but the original exit poll at 10pm did not, to my knowledge, predict a number of seats.

    It predicted only this: "Conservatives largest party with most seats". There was no seat prediction until results started coming in to my knowledge, unless you can marshal evidence here to the contrary.
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    tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,548

    I made it. Got into the station at 9.47. Ran to the car, broke every speed limit and got there as they were preparing to close down. I was the second last in; the last person was also a late train casualty and also Remain.

    Very pleased to have taken part!

    Best news I've heard all day. Well done
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,636

    I made it. Got into the station at 9.47. Ran to the car, broke every speed limit and got there as they were preparing to close down. I was the second last in; the last person was also a late train casualty and also Remain.

    Very pleased to have taken part!

    Congratulations! Shows the determination of the London commuter
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,744
    tpfkar said:

    I made it. Got into the station at 9.47. Ran to the car, broke every speed limit and got there as they were preparing to close down. I was the second last in; the last person was also a late train casualty and also Remain.

    Very pleased to have taken part!

    Best news I've heard all day. Well done
    Brilliant. Would have been tragic to have missed it
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    I made it. Got into the station at 9.47. Ran to the car, broke every speed limit and got there as they were preparing to close down. I was the second last in; the last person was also a late train casualty and also Remain.

    Very pleased to have taken part!

    Glad to hear you made it!
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    FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    bazzer said:

    DanSmith said:

    bazzer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John Curtice lying!

    Claims that the exit poll was correct last year.

    Prediction: Hung parliament
    Result: Conservative majority.

    The exit poll was pretty good, it had LDs within two seats, UKIP within one, and it got the Tories within about 15.
    The GE exit poll did not in fact predict a "hung parliament".

    It predicted "conservatives largest party".

    It did this because Curtice et al from their research had a sense that the Tories were going to get an overall majority, but it seemed so far off the consensus that they didn't want to call it at 10pm.

    They therefore opted for a new verdict, not a hung parliament, not a Tory majority but the "conservatives to get the largest number of seats".

    This left open the possiblity of a Tory majority while avoiding an outcry if it had been a hung parliament with the Tories the largest party after all.

    It was the mugs who piled into overall majority at 1/10 who complained the exit poll called it wrong.

    It didn't - it never spelt out a hung parliament. Curtice knew at 10pm a Tory majority was the most likely result.
    The exit poll was very clear how many seats it was predicting for the Tories and the Tories were well short of a majority.
    Can you back this up please? during the course of the night a projected number of seats appeared on the ticker at the bottom of the screen updating based on results, but the original exit poll at 10pm did not, to my knowledge, predict a number of seats.

    It predicted only this: "Conservatives largest party with most seats". There was no seat prediction until results started coming in to my knowledge, unless you can marshal evidence here to the contrary.
    It did. From memory it predicted Tories on 316 seats.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 56,548
    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    I wonder if we may see an indyref result, where exceptional turnout surprisingly favoured NO, as quiet loyalists showed up and voted.

    I think quiet middle classes and lower middle classes have come out and surprisingly favoured IN, because Project Fear.

    Why do you think that the middle classes and lower middle classes succumbed to Project Fear, while you were able to see through it all?

    You should be writing in The Guardian with sentiments like that.
    Because I am richer than them and I can withstand the financial loss. They cannot. I entirely sympathise with them. I don't blame them for voting the way they do. I don't call them names. Equally, I hope I feel the pain of the white working classes - 20% of Brits - who have been truly pauperised by mass immigration. I also understand why they might vote OUT.

    I reserve the terms "traitors" and "quislings" for the rich ugly f* cks on here who voted REMAIN. Meeks, tyson, et al.

    God damn them to hell.
    If it is a very close Remain vote, it does beg the question just how badly the UK really wanted a much better deal given the perceived risks of Leaving.

    But, I don't expect either the UK Government or EU to learn much from it.
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    DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    bazzer said:

    DanSmith said:

    bazzer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John Curtice lying!

    Claims that the exit poll was correct last year.

    Prediction: Hung parliament
    Result: Conservative majority.

    The exit poll was pretty good, it had LDs within two seats, UKIP within one, and it got the Tories within about 15.
    The GE exit poll did not in fact predict a "hung parliament".

    It predicted "conservatives largest party".

    It did this because Curtice et al from their research had a sense that the Tories were going to get an overall majority, but it seemed so far off the consensus that they didn't want to call it at 10pm.

    They therefore opted for a new verdict, not a hung parliament, not a Tory majority but the "conservatives to get the largest number of seats".

    This left open the possiblity of a Tory majority while avoiding an outcry if it had been a hung parliament with the Tories the largest party after all.

    It was the mugs who piled into overall majority at 1/10 who complained the exit poll called it wrong.

    It didn't - it never spelt out a hung parliament. Curtice knew at 10pm a Tory majority was the most likely result.
    The exit poll was very clear how many seats it was predicting for the Tories and the Tories were well short of a majority.
    Can you back this up please? during the course of the night a projected number of seats appeared on the ticker at the bottom of the screen updating based on results, but the original exit poll at 10pm did not, to my knowledge, predict a number of seats.

    It predicted only this: "Conservatives largest party with most seats". There was no seat prediction until results started coming in to my knowledge, unless you can marshal evidence here to the contrary.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjJDyIAI4SI
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,577
    edited June 2016
    My partner was manning a polling station in west end of Glasgow, turnout 66%, which is considerably higher than at the Holyrood election.
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    Sky girl looking suitably tanned in Gibraltar.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,733
    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    I wonder if we may see an indyref result, where exceptional turnout surprisingly favoured NO, as quiet loyalists showed up and voted.

    I think quiet middle classes and lower middle classes have come out and surprisingly favoured IN, because Project Fear.

    Why do you think that the middle classes and lower middle classes succumbed to Project Fear, while you were able to see through it all?

    You should be writing in The Guardian with sentiments like that.
    Because I am richer than them and I can withstand the financial loss. .
    So it wasn't Project Fear. It was a perfectly feasible outcome.
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    tpfkar said:

    tpfkar said:

    viewcode said:

    On a somewhat serious point for a moment. There are many people here on both sides who fought hard. I know TSE and Casino_Royale, and many others, have given up their time and have canvassed and campaigned, and that effort should be recognised.

    By 6am tomorrow somebody will have lost. I won't patronise you: I hope REMAIN will win. But regardless of who wins, I would like to thank all those here on both sides, REMAIN and LEAVE, who took the time and effort to voice their thoughts and experiences. It would not have been the same without you, and even if you lose, I hope you all go on to greater success in life.

    Well said. More than anything else, I've hated what this campaign has brought out in Britain over the past few months - i hope this can be the attitude as we move on from such a divisive referendum.
    What is worse - bringing it out or having it festering under the surface with our leaders pretending the issues are not significant
    Time will tell. I'm not sure where the frustrations with immigration, identity and foreigners will go now they are in the open, if it is to be a Remain. Especially with the press we have.

    P.S. Would it be rude to ask where in Bedfordshire you are? We may be round the corner from each other.

    I always think things are better off out in the open. Look what happened to the BNP when they finally stopped blackballing Griffin and let him go on question time. Never glad confident morning again.

    Roughly half way between Bedford and Luton. How about you?
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    tyson said:

    SeanT said:

    Let's compare referendum wines! I'm guzzling Capologno di Torbe Amarone, 2009. And delicious it is. Mmmmmmmm. *falls over, slightly*

    Mine is a pleasant MontiFalco

    Guiness West Indian Porter for me, recommended!
    Ive gone for Shepherd Neames Ace Ale-a wimbledon special
    Poor choice-too floral
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,447

    I made it. Got into the station at 9.47. Ran to the car, broke every speed limit and got there as they were preparing to close down. I was the second last in; the last person was also a late train casualty and also Remain.

    Very pleased to have taken part!

    Get in my son!
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    FensterFenster Posts: 2,115

    I made it. Got into the station at 9.47. Ran to the car, broke every speed limit and got there as they were preparing to close down. I was the second last in; the last person was also a late train casualty and also Remain.

    Very pleased to have taken part!

    Well done Southam. If anyone deserved their say then you did!
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    Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    edited June 2016
    IanB2 said:

    tpfkar said:

    I made it. Got into the station at 9.47. Ran to the car, broke every speed limit and got there as they were preparing to close down. I was the second last in; the last person was also a late train casualty and also Remain.

    Very pleased to have taken part!

    Best news I've heard all day. Well done
    Brilliant. Would have been tragic to have missed it
    Yaaay.

    Did you have the theme tune to Dick Barton on on your car stereo and say No one expects.... as you burst in?
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    GravitationGravitation Posts: 281
    Turnout at a polling station manned by my father in North Devon turnout 82%. A very strong area for Leave.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    edited June 2016
    This could be just like Trading Places for some Hedge-fund managers.

    (Still one of the most enjoyable scenes in the movies)
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    I made it. Got into the station at 9.47. Ran to the car, broke every speed limit and got there as they were preparing to close down. I was the second last in; the last person was also a late train casualty and also Remain.

    Very pleased to have taken part!

    Kudos to you for making it in the nick of time.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,386

    so when do we get the first bit of feed back from the counts???

    1145ish...
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    will someone please tell ALL the politicians that there is no such thing as EU money

    It is our money sent to the EU
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    corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    corporeal said:

    IanB2 said:

    Wanderer said:

    OllyT said:

    So frustrating. Stuck just outside Banbury now. Am not the only one who is missing out. There are a few of us in the same spot, it seems. Remainers, unfortunately. Or maybe there are some shy Leavers too :-)

    I would move voting to the weekend, possibly over both days, so that instances like this were rarer.
    Spot on', move it to a Sunday and let working people have a level playing field with the OAPs and the unemployed
    There's no real reason not to do that is there?
    All of the reasons offered as to why it's usually a Thursday are historic and no longer relevant. Given the labour involved, however, Sunday would be a more expensive choice.

    It does always amuse me that our stand is "Our elections are always on thursday for historical reasons, we're not totally sure what the reasons were but they were definitely historical".

    (Take your pick of early closing day, before payday so people were less likely to be drunk, market day, so that results would be revealed on friday and the government have the weekend to form, avoiding sundays so the church wouldn't have too much influence. Plenty of options).
    USA has elections on a Tuesday. Why?
    Best I can do googling around suggests that it avoided market day (wednesday) and the Sabbath (Sunday). They set there's in 1845 when they were still were focussed on such things.

    Up until 1918 we had a very civilised method of doing it over several days. People could follow the results in the daily newspaper, and I seem to remember certainly many seats (and possibly an election) being swung because resources could be adjusted mid-election to campaign in unexpectedly endangered seats.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,447
    weejonnie said:

    This could be just like Trading Places for some Hedge-fund managers.

    (Still one of the most enjoyable scenes in the movies)

    Yes, that is still possible. We are all counting chickens..
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    will someone please tell ALL the politicians that there is no such thing as EU money

    It is our money sent to the EU

    Up until today that was true.
    From now on it is the EUs money.
    They might give us some if they feel like it.
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    bazzerbazzer Posts: 44
    DanSmith said:

    bazzer said:

    DanSmith said:

    bazzer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John Curtice lying!

    Claims that the exit poll was correct last year.

    Prediction: Hung parliament
    Result: Conservative majority.

    The exit poll was pretty good, it had LDs within two seats, UKIP within one, and it got the Tories within about 15.
    The GE exit poll did not in fact predict a "hung parliament".

    It predicted "conservatives largest party".

    It did this because Curtice et al from their research had a sense that the Tories were going to get an overall majority, but it seemed so far off the consensus that they didn't want to call it at 10pm.

    They therefore opted for a new verdict, not a hung parliament, not a Tory majority but the "conservatives to get the largest number of seats".

    This left open the possiblity of a Tory majority while avoiding an outcry if it had been a hung parliament with the Tories the largest party after all.

    It was the mugs who piled into overall majority at 1/10 who complained the exit poll called it wrong.

    It didn't - it never spelt out a hung parliament. Curtice knew at 10pm a Tory majority was the most likely result.
    The exit poll was very clear how many seats it was predicting for the Tories and the Tories were well short of a majority.
    Can you back this up please? during the course of the night a projected number of seats appeared on the ticker at the bottom of the screen updating based on results, but the original exit poll at 10pm did not, to my knowledge, predict a number of seats.

    It predicted only this: "Conservatives largest party with most seats". There was no seat prediction until results started coming in to my knowledge, unless you can marshal evidence here to the contrary.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjJDyIAI4SI
    I concede.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,744

    will someone please tell ALL the politicians that there is no such thing as EU money

    It is our money sent to the EU

    But this isn't really a point at all, the same could be said of your council's money or government money. Or of course your own money, which one way or another someone has given to you.
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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,266

    tyson said:

    SeanT said:

    Let's compare referendum wines! I'm guzzling Capologno di Torbe Amarone, 2009. And delicious it is. Mmmmmmmm. *falls over, slightly*

    Mine is a pleasant MontiFalco

    Guiness West Indian Porter for me, recommended!
    Export stout from The Kernel Brewery for me, which I would highly recommend if you like the porter. Bit beardy hipster maybe, but it is a delicious brew.

    In a way, EURef is a bit like the cask vs craft keg debate tearing apart CaMRA at the moment (slight joke).
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    DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    bazzer said:

    DanSmith said:

    bazzer said:

    DanSmith said:

    bazzer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John Curtice lying!

    Claims that the exit poll was correct last year.

    Prediction: Hung parliament
    Result: Conservative majority.

    The exit poll was pretty good, it had LDs within two seats, UKIP within one, and it got the Tories within about 15.
    The GE exit poll did not in fact predict a "hung parliament".

    It predicted "conservatives largest party".

    It did this because Curtice et al from their research had a sense that the Tories were going to get an overall majority, but it seemed so far off the consensus that they didn't want to call it at 10pm.

    They therefore opted for a new verdict, not a hung parliament, not a Tory majority but the "conservatives to get the largest number of seats".

    This left open the possiblity of a Tory majority while avoiding an outcry if it had been a hung parliament with the Tories the largest party after all.

    It was the mugs who piled into overall majority at 1/10 who complained the exit poll called it wrong.

    It didn't - it never spelt out a hung parliament. Curtice knew at 10pm a Tory majority was the most likely result.
    The exit poll was very clear how many seats it was predicting for the Tories and the Tories were well short of a majority.
    Can you back this up please? during the course of the night a projected number of seats appeared on the ticker at the bottom of the screen updating based on results, but the original exit poll at 10pm did not, to my knowledge, predict a number of seats.

    It predicted only this: "Conservatives largest party with most seats". There was no seat prediction until results started coming in to my knowledge, unless you can marshal evidence here to the contrary.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjJDyIAI4SI
    I concede.
    No problem. That election night still has a dream like quality for me, that exit poll moment just incredible !
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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 729
    edited June 2016
    Fenster said:

    bazzer said:

    DanSmith said:

    bazzer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    John Curtice lying!

    Claims that the exit poll was correct last year.

    Prediction: Hung parliament
    Result: Conservative majority.

    The exit poll was pretty good, it had LDs within two seats, UKIP within one, and it got the Tories within about 15.
    The GE exit poll did not in fact predict a "hung parliament".

    It predicted "conservatives largest party".

    It did this because Curtice et al from their research had a sense that the Tories were going to get an overall majority, but it seemed so far off the consensus that they didn't want to call it at 10pm.

    They therefore opted for a new verdict, not a hung parliament, not a Tory majority but the "conservatives to get the largest number of seats".

    This left open the possiblity of a Tory majority while avoiding an outcry if it had been a hung parliament with the Tories the largest party after all.

    It was the mugs who piled into overall majority at 1/10 who complained the exit poll called it wrong.

    It didn't - it never spelt out a hung parliament. Curtice knew at 10pm a Tory majority was the most likely result.
    The exit poll was very clear how many seats it was predicting for the Tories and the Tories were well short of a majority.
    Can you back this up please? during the course of the night a projected number of seats appeared on the ticker at the bottom of the screen updating based on results, but the original exit poll at 10pm did not, to my knowledge, predict a number of seats.

    It predicted only this: "Conservatives largest party with most seats". There was no seat prediction until results started coming in to my knowledge, unless you can marshal evidence here to the contrary.
    It did. From memory it predicted Tories on 316 seats.
    A point prediction was the brief for Curtice's team, but he was at pains early in the night to say the lack of "Hung Parliament" in the headline was significant (in 2010 it was "Hung Parliament - Cons Largest Party"). With a margin of error of 15 or 20 seats, they couldn't rule out a majority.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    tyson said:

    SeanT said:

    Let's compare referendum wines! I'm guzzling Capologno di Torbe Amarone, 2009. And delicious it is. Mmmmmmmm. *falls over, slightly*

    Mine is a pleasant MontiFalco

    Guiness West Indian Porter for me, recommended!
    Ive gone for Shepherd Neames Ace Ale-a wimbledon special
    Poor choice-too floral
    The West Indian Porter is made to an old recipe, found in the Guinness archives. goes well with cheese, sadly I have no oysers for the classic combo.
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    so when do we get the first bit of feed back from the counts???

    1145ish...
    sorry
    NOT declarations
    I mean gossip feedback speculation and wishful thinking
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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,266
    weejonnie said:

    This could be just like Trading Places for some Hedge-fund managers.

    (Still one of the most enjoyable scenes in the movies)

    Truly wonderful film. If it was from the 50s people would unquestioningly consider it a classic.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    IanB2 said:

    Pound at 1.50 for dollar

    Sell sterling, Mr. G.. The economic essentials haven't changed.
    Except that by historic standards 1.5 is low. More interesting is the stock market. If remain do win I expect the boost will carry through into early next week, but would expect a selling sweet spot to present itself midweek
    The pound used to be worth multiple dollars, what history period are you talking about
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    DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215

    so when do we get the first bit of feed back from the counts???

    1145ish...
    sorry
    NOT declarations
    I mean gossip feedback speculation and wishful thinking
    It's tough to say because you're talking about fine margins here, there's a huge difference between Leave getting 53% or 58% in Sunderland which is actually quite a small difference.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    FF43 said:

    Lowlander said:

    SeanT said:

    I wonder if we may see an indyref result, where exceptional turnout surprisingly favoured NO, as quiet loyalists showed up and voted.

    I think quiet middle classes and lower middle classes have come out and surprisingly favoured IN, because Project Fear.

    The difference is that Indyref turnout was higher by the same amounts in each area as at a General or Scottish election. I don't think that will happen here, we could be getting 80% in the WWC shires and sub 70% in Scotland and Metropolitan areas outside London.

    That will make a huge distortion to the way polls predict the outcome.
    I don't think that's the case. Turnout was high in Glasgow at Indyref. Having said that the demographics are different this time. Older people and professionals both tended to No but will tend different directions time.
    Turnout was pish in Glasgow.
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    I have hedged my 13k Remain bet by backing Leave. I did not get the juicy odds of 16 on Betfair Exchange though.
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    edited June 2016
    Ipos-Mori 54/46 Remian being quoted by Sky?
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    LondonLondon Posts: 40
    viewcode said:

    On a somewhat serious point for a moment. There are many people here on both sides who fought hard. I know TSE and Casino_Royale, and many others, have given up their time and have canvassed and campaigned, and that effort should be recognised.

    By 6am tomorrow somebody will have lost. I won't patronise you: I hope REMAIN will win. But regardless of who wins, I would like to thank all those here on both sides, REMAIN and LEAVE, who took the time and effort to voice their thoughts and experiences. It would not have been the same without you, and even if you lose, I hope you all go on to greater success in life.

    Hear Hear
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    sladeslade Posts: 1,944
    Mine is a very quaffable Pinot Grigio from Mr Laithwaite.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,744
    edited June 2016

    so when do we get the first bit of feed back from the counts???

    1145ish...
    sorry
    NOT declarations
    I mean gossip feedback speculation and wishful thinking
    In the urban areas where boxes come in quickest, the people at the counts will be starting to get some sort of an impression around about now. The catch for them is that a ballot box is upside-down archaeological, in the sense that when emptied upside down the papers at the top are the oldest, morning votes. Given the assumed bias towards leave amongst the retired population, I'd expect the daytime slices of the box will lean towards leave and the evening towards remain, as the workers start to come home. Normally when doing a verification tally you're looking at one slice of a box...
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