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  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    RobD said:

    What's the effing point of local recounts and no provision for a national one? Are the EC short of logicians?

    Could the Supreme Court order a full recount, I wonder?
    Local recounts relate to where they think something has gone wrong with the counting, nothing to do with the closeness of the result.

    The referendum is advisory, so no role for the Supreme Court (Parliament could theoretically disregard the outcome)
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,706
    On a somewhat serious point for a moment. There are many people here on both sides who fought hard. I know TSE and Casino_Royale, and many others, have given up their time and have canvassed and campaigned, and that effort should be recognised.

    By 6am tomorrow somebody will have lost. I won't patronise you: I hope REMAIN will win. But regardless of who wins, I would like to thank all those here on both sides, REMAIN and LEAVE, who took the time and effort to voice their thoughts and experiences. It would not have been the same without you, and even if you lose, I hope you all go on to greater success in life.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,925
    edited June 2016
    RodCrosby said:

    I'm seeing 83.7% estimated turnout

    When was the last time we had an turnout that high for a national election?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    SeanT said:

    As I've said before 52/48 is pretty much me perfect result, in purely and repulsively selfish terms. A narrow REMAIN win which puts the wind up Brussels, but preserves my personal wealth and the swagger of London. Yay.

    I did say I was talking "selfishly".

    It's also close enough to say: Who the F knows, which makes the next few hours interesting.

    I expect 53/47 REMAIN and I think this really will remake UK and EU politics. Boris cannot be ignored.

    Remain by 1 vote would be the ideal result.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,412

    Maybe he has just gone and put a large amount of money on leave at 15-1.

    :D

    I can almost believe that.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @AndyJS:

    Remain 52%
    Leave 48%

    'That's too close for comfort.'


    Surely the polling companies haven't got it wrong again ?

  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    One side or the other will presumably get more votes than John 14m Major.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,480
    83.7% would be huge!!
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    IanB2 said:

    Wanderer said:

    OllyT said:

    So frustrating. Stuck just outside Banbury now. Am not the only one who is missing out. There are a few of us in the same spot, it seems. Remainers, unfortunately. Or maybe there are some shy Leavers too :-)

    I would move voting to the weekend, possibly over both days, so that instances like this were rarer.
    Spot on', move it to a Sunday and let working people have a level playing field with the OAPs and the unemployed
    There's no real reason not to do that is there?
    All of the reasons offered as to why it's usually a Thursday are historic and no longer relevant. Given the labour involved, however, Sunday would be a more expensive choice.

    It does always amuse me that our stand is "Our elections are always on thursday for historical reasons, we're not totally sure what the reasons were but they were definitely historical".

    (Take your pick of early closing day, before payday so people were less likely to be drunk, market day, so that results would be revealed on friday and the government have the weekend to form, avoiding sundays so the church wouldn't have too much influence. Plenty of options).
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    this is the problem with ids, nothing matters more to him than being out of the eu.... it's shown.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,122
    IDS saying the great unwashed are voting in droves
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Well I suppose it gives people like lord ashdown a victory.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Charles said:

    84% turnout in Gibraltar.

    Weren't people expecting it to be higher (I had it down as 95% turnout & 90% Remain - may have been the other way round).
    GBC (Gibraltar television) is live from the count at the University.

    It's very parochial as you would imagine and great fun because of it!

    http://www.gbc.gi/tv/watch-live
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,451
    Turnout at that level throws the polls out of the window.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,780
    edited June 2016

    MikeL said:

    Why does Britain Elects give a turnout figure for Gibraltar at 2015 GE?

    Surely Gibraltar doesn't take part in a GE?

    Mistake for the last Euro elections?
    Good suggestion.
  • Is the story of a 10000 person poll by leave.uk. that had the opposite result to yougov - ie leave 52 remain 48 actually true
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    RodCrosby said:

    I'm seeing 83.7% estimated turnout

    Bloody hell.
    Sky: bottom right
    Sure that isn't just Gibraltar's turnout?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @michaelsavage: IDS on calling Osborne Pinocchio: "Did I say that? I don't remember now."

    There's going to be a lot of that. #EUref
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Pound at 1.50 for dollar

    Sell sterling, Mr. G.. The economic essentials haven't changed.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,480
    GeoffM said:

    Charles said:

    84% turnout in Gibraltar.

    Weren't people expecting it to be higher (I had it down as 95% turnout & 90% Remain - may have been the other way round).
    GBC (Gibraltar television) is live from the count at the University.

    It's very parochial as you would imagine and great fun because of it!

    http://www.gbc.gi/tv/watch-live
    The stream title is:

    "Live now: Our Neanderthals"

    LOL
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,973
    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    84% turnout in Gibraltar.

    Weren't people expecting it to be higher (I had it down as 95% turnout & 90% Remain - may have been the other way round).
    Charles I was a rude git earlier on. No change there, but uncalled for.

    I disagreed with the premise of your post but there was no need to be a git.

    Apologies.
    Charles is not actually royalty, and I don't think he was rude.
  • timmotimmo Posts: 1,469
    viewcode said:

    On a somewhat serious point for a moment. There are many people here on both sides who fought hard. I know TSE and Casino_Royale, and many others, have given up their time and have canvassed and campaigned, and that effort should be recognised.

    By 6am tomorrow somebody will have lost. I won't patronise you: I hope REMAIN will win. But regardless of who wins, I would like to thank all those here on both sides, REMAIN and LEAVE, who took the time and effort to voice their thoughts and experiences. It would not have been the same without you, and even if you lose, I hope you all go on to greater success in life.

    That is appreciated
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    AndyJS said:

    SeanT said:

    As I've said before 52/48 is pretty much me perfect result, in purely and repulsively selfish terms. A narrow REMAIN win which puts the wind up Brussels, but preserves my personal wealth and the swagger of London. Yay.

    I did say I was talking "selfishly".

    It's also close enough to say: Who the F knows, which makes the next few hours interesting.

    I expect 53/47 REMAIN and I think this really will remake UK and EU politics. Boris cannot be ignored.

    Remain by 1 vote would be the ideal result.
    Well, Leave by 1 vote would be the ideal result. But I'd take yours as an acceptable second ;).
  • alex. said:

    RobD said:

    What's the effing point of local recounts and no provision for a national one? Are the EC short of logicians?

    Could the Supreme Court order a full recount, I wonder?
    Local recounts relate to where they think something has gone wrong with the counting, nothing to do with the closeness of the result.

    The referendum is advisory, so no role for the Supreme Court (Parliament could theoretically disregard the outcome)
    As long as we dont have to endure a replay
  • JamesMJamesM Posts: 221
    My prediction at 10pm, pre-YouGov, was Remain 52.2% and 46.8% Leave.
  • GravitationGravitation Posts: 287
    Do pollsters ask about postal votes or just get the VI of the people they contact? The postals, about 25% of the total must give leave a lead before voting started today. If the country did vote 52/48 today that might not be enough for remain.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    corporeal said:

    IanB2 said:

    Wanderer said:

    OllyT said:

    So frustrating. Stuck just outside Banbury now. Am not the only one who is missing out. There are a few of us in the same spot, it seems. Remainers, unfortunately. Or maybe there are some shy Leavers too :-)

    I would move voting to the weekend, possibly over both days, so that instances like this were rarer.
    Spot on', move it to a Sunday and let working people have a level playing field with the OAPs and the unemployed
    There's no real reason not to do that is there?
    All of the reasons offered as to why it's usually a Thursday are historic and no longer relevant. Given the labour involved, however, Sunday would be a more expensive choice.

    It does always amuse me that our stand is "Our elections are always on thursday for historical reasons, we're not totally sure what the reasons were but they were definitely historical".

    (Take your pick of early closing day, before payday so people were less likely to be drunk, market day, so that results would be revealed on friday and the government have the weekend to form, avoiding sundays so the church wouldn't have too much influence. Plenty of options).
    And it's not that historic. 1920-something isn't it? County councils are older.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,644

    this is the problem with ids, nothing matters more to him than being out of the eu.... it's shown.

    And we now know that the problem with Cameron and Osborne is that nothing matters more to them than being in the EU. Whatever the outcome, this referendum has flushed out the Tories for what they are.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,412

    Turnout at that level throws the polls out of the window.

    If true the weighting by certainty to vote is going to be way out of whack for most of the polls we have seen over the last few days.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    SeanT said:

    As I've said before 52/48 is pretty much me perfect result, in purely and repulsively selfish terms. A narrow REMAIN win which puts the wind up Brussels, but preserves my personal wealth and the swagger of London. Yay.

    I did say I was talking "selfishly".

    It's also close enough to say: Who the F knows, which makes the next few hours interesting.

    I expect 53/47 REMAIN and I think this really will remake UK and EU politics. Boris cannot be ignored.

    Remain by 1 vote would be the ideal result.
    Yes.
    You're just praying it's not Leave by 1 ;)

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,422

    Turnout at that level throws the polls out of the window.

    Agreed. None of their models cover turnout at those levels. Doesn't mean it is good for Leave of course.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,592

    Pound at 1.50 for dollar

    Sell sterling, Mr. G.. The economic essentials haven't changed.
    Except that by historic standards 1.5 is low. More interesting is the stock market. If remain do win I expect the boost will carry through into early next week, but would expect a selling sweet spot to present itself midweek
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Grayling: turnout highest in areas with normally the lowest...
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited June 2016
    Useless information:
    I'm off to bed soon.
    I'll be up @ five as usual.
    I guess I'll have to take my "remain" poster down first though.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,973
    GIN1138 said:

    RodCrosby said:

    I'm seeing 83.7% estimated turnout

    When was the last time we had an turnout that high for a national election?
    I'm going to be owing SpreadEx a lot of money if nationwide turnout is 84%.

    But I don't think it will be.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    Scott_P said:

    @michaelsavage: IDS on calling Osborne Pinocchio: "Did I say that? I don't remember now."

    There's going to be a lot of that. #EUref

    Yep, shades of Sue Ellen's season 9 shower dream. Or more sinisterly, a touch of 1984. "I have always been in favour of the EU. I have never been against Cameron".
  • If it really is 84% turnout this is wonderful news, whatever the result
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    High turnout favours Leave doesn't it?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2016
    If YouGov is right, Sunderland would probably be about 46-47% Remain.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,480
    rcs1000 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    RodCrosby said:

    I'm seeing 83.7% estimated turnout

    When was the last time we had an turnout that high for a national election?
    I'm going to be owing SpreadEx a lot of money if nationwide turnout is 84%.

    But I don't think it will be.
    Squeaky bum time? :D
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,835
    rcs1000 said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    84% turnout in Gibraltar.

    Weren't people expecting it to be higher (I had it down as 95% turnout & 90% Remain - may have been the other way round).
    Charles I was a rude git earlier on. No change there, but uncalled for.

    I disagreed with the premise of your post but there was no need to be a git.

    Apologies.
    Charles is not actually royalty, and I don't think he was rude.
    I was the one that was being rude. And a git.

    But thanks for your input.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    corporeal said:

    IanB2 said:

    Wanderer said:

    OllyT said:

    So frustrating. Stuck just outside Banbury now. Am not the only one who is missing out. There are a few of us in the same spot, it seems. Remainers, unfortunately. Or maybe there are some shy Leavers too :-)

    I would move voting to the weekend, possibly over both days, so that instances like this were rarer.
    Spot on', move it to a Sunday and let working people have a level playing field with the OAPs and the unemployed
    There's no real reason not to do that is there?
    All of the reasons offered as to why it's usually a Thursday are historic and no longer relevant. Given the labour involved, however, Sunday would be a more expensive choice.

    It does always amuse me that our stand is "Our elections are always on thursday for historical reasons, we're not totally sure what the reasons were but they were definitely historical".

    (Take your pick of early closing day, before payday so people were less likely to be drunk, market day, so that results would be revealed on friday and the government have the weekend to form, avoiding sundays so the church wouldn't have too much influence. Plenty of options).
    USA has elections on a Tuesday. Why?
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    alex. said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    RodCrosby said:

    I'm seeing 83.7% estimated turnout

    Bloody hell.
    Sky: bottom right
    Sure that isn't just Gibraltar's turnout?
    OK, now they've put a banner across. Yes, Gib.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,973

    If it really is 84% turnout this is wonderful news, whatever the result

    I think that's Gibraltar.

    No one know UK turnout yet, and won't for hours.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,706
    Fenster said:

    viewcode said:

    I WANT JEREMY KYLE DEAD
    I WANT JEREMY KYLE DEAD
    I WANT JEREMY KYLE DEAD
    AND HIS CAT

    Fuck me. Is Jeremy Kyle doing politics now? The working classes really are out in their droves. Only Kyle can control them.
    I got the name wrong, didn't I....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,814

    Do pollsters ask about postal votes or just get the VI of the people they contact? The postals, about 25% of the total must give leave a lead before voting started today. If the country did vote 52/48 today that might not be enough for remain.

    I believe Yougov include postal voters
  • glwglw Posts: 10,412
    DavidL said:

    Turnout at that level throws the polls out of the window.

    Agreed. None of their models cover turnout at those levels. Doesn't mean it is good for Leave of course.
    Yes if any pollster nails it now it will be more by luck than due to methodology.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SpiegelPeter: Sources briefed on hedge fund exit polls told me they had similar 52-48 result for Remain as of late afternoon https://t.co/fWk5qpoqSz
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,478
    Dimblebore: let's go to Newcastle to see if we're anywhere near getting a result..

    No, no we're not. It's 20 past 10!
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,795
    Strange, if it wasnt for the odds and some mood music, things dont seem so bad for leave. Ill be happy with remain ultimately i guess though.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115

    Turnout at that level throws the polls out of the window.

    I agree. If turnout is over 80% then we are into uncharted territory.

    Anything could happen.

    I was pretty confident throughout the GE campaign that Ed Miliband would not endup in Downing St. A mixture of hunch, intuition and anecdotal evidence. I'm not as confident that Remain has won this because there are so many variables.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,973
    RodCrosby said:

    Grayling: turnout highest in areas with normally the lowest...

    Now that is good new for Leave.

    Remain now in at 54-55 on SpreadEx. Still a sell.
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941
    Gib TV just said UK turnout is 70%. Differential turnout in WWC areas could easily win this for Leave. The markets appear to be wrong.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,644
    Save Dave letter being read out on Sky News - 84 Remain Tories signed it.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,592
    DavidL said:

    Turnout at that level throws the polls out of the window.

    Agreed. None of their models cover turnout at those levels. Doesn't mean it is good for Leave of course.
    Indeed. Perhaps MI5 gave up on the rubbing out and just added the extra votes in,...?
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    RodCrosby said:

    Grayling: turnout highest in areas with normally the lowest...

    Hope so.
  • SirBenjaminSirBenjamin Posts: 238
    After hours of relative stability, Betfair went a bit mad with leave price shooting from 8.8 to 16 in a few seconds, before tumbling back down and settling on 11. I got on at 13.5 but it all happened so quickly. 16 would've been insanely handy to trade.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    High turnout favours Leave doesn't it?

    Very high turnout means the young have come out to play. I can't imagine that being good for Leave.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,496
    Could it be possible that the speculators private exit polls are driving the pound and betting. Letter from Vote 84 leave MP's saying PM to stay
  • DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    Scott_P said:

    @SpiegelPeter: Sources briefed on hedge fund exit polls told me they had similar 52-48 result for Remain as of late afternoon https://t.co/fWk5qpoqSz

    I tell you what, hedge funds have big balls to go big on a MOE result.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,973
    JamesM said:

    My prediction at 10pm, pre-YouGov, was Remain 52.2% and 46.8% Leave.

    What about the other percent?
  • RodCrosby said:

    Grayling: turnout highest in areas with normally the lowest...

    I might still be collecting £120 tomorrow - unless TSE is right about Blucher
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,573
    viewcode said:

    On a somewhat serious point for a moment. There are many people here on both sides who fought hard. I know TSE and Casino_Royale, and many others, have given up their time and have canvassed and campaigned, and that effort should be recognised.

    By 6am tomorrow somebody will have lost. I won't patronise you: I hope REMAIN will win. But regardless of who wins, I would like to thank all those here on both sides, REMAIN and LEAVE, who took the time and effort to voice their thoughts and experiences. It would not have been the same without you, and even if you lose, I hope you all go on to greater success in life.

    Well said. More than anything else, I've hated what this campaign has brought out in Britain over the past few months - i hope this can be the attitude as we move on from such a divisive referendum.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Newcastle turnout projected to be 68-70%.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,706
    timmo said:

    viewcode said:

    On a somewhat serious point for a moment. There are many people here on both sides who fought hard. I know TSE and Casino_Royale, and many others, have given up their time and have canvassed and campaigned, and that effort should be recognised.

    By 6am tomorrow somebody will have lost. I won't patronise you: I hope REMAIN will win. But regardless of who wins, I would like to thank all those here on both sides, REMAIN and LEAVE, who took the time and effort to voice their thoughts and experiences. It would not have been the same without you, and even if you lose, I hope you all go on to greater success in life.

    That is appreciated
    You're welcome.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @davieclegg: Farage has conceded. The stock markets are calm. The bookies have 93% chance of Remain. Downing Street is relaxed. We're staying in the EU.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    tlg86 said:

    Save Dave letter being read out on Sky News - 84 Remain Tories signed it.

    Leavers first to go for reconciliation.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,478

    High turnout favours Leave doesn't it?

    Difficult to say. Could be a lot of WWC voters favouring leave. Could be a lot of young voters favouring remain.

    Probably a mix of both to be honest.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Could it be possible that the speculators private exit polls are driving the pound and betting. Letter from Vote 84 leave MP's saying PM to stay

    60 haven't.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,973
    Lowlander said:

    Gib TV just said UK turnout is 70%. Differential turnout in WWC areas could easily win this for Leave. The markets appear to be wrong.

    UK turnout 70% is good for a man short at 73...

    :)
  • timmo said:

    viewcode said:

    On a somewhat serious point for a moment. There are many people here on both sides who fought hard. I know TSE and Casino_Royale, and many others, have given up their time and have canvassed and campaigned, and that effort should be recognised.

    By 6am tomorrow somebody will have lost. I won't patronise you: I hope REMAIN will win. But regardless of who wins, I would like to thank all those here on both sides, REMAIN and LEAVE, who took the time and effort to voice their thoughts and experiences. It would not have been the same without you, and even if you lose, I hope you all go on to greater success in life.

    That is appreciated
    Likewise
    I am Leave 100% but good luck to both sides and I hope whatever the result the debate on PB going forwards is robust but polite

    Some hope !!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,266
    Scott_P said:

    @SpiegelPeter: Sources briefed on hedge fund exit polls told me they had similar 52-48 result for Remain as of late afternoon https://t.co/fWk5qpoqSz

    Glad they aren't gambling so hard on a moe poll with my money...oh wait they are!!!!
  • NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 739
    Curtice on BBC.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,592
    HYUFD said:

    Do pollsters ask about postal votes or just get the VI of the people they contact? The postals, about 25% of the total must give leave a lead before voting started today. If the country did vote 52/48 today that might not be enough for remain.

    I believe Yougov include postal voters
    As do all the others
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    If it really is 84% turnout this is wonderful news, whatever the result

    It isn't though.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited June 2016
    tlg86 said:

    this is the problem with ids, nothing matters more to him than being out of the eu.... it's shown.

    And we now know that the problem with Cameron and Osborne is that nothing matters more to them than being in the EU. Whatever the outcome, this referendum has flushed out the Tories for what they are.
    the leave mps who have written to Cameron to stay on include Boris and Gove but they didn't ask IDS to sign it ... there's shades of grey here and IDS is a different shade to those 2 it seems
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,496
    tlg86 said:

    Save Dave letter being read out on Sky News - 84 Remain Tories signed it.

    Leave Tories
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Both Gove and Boris signed the Dave must stay letter
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    JamesM said:

    My prediction at 10pm, pre-YouGov, was Remain 52.2% and 46.8% Leave.

    And the 1%?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Leave could still edge this, just.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,480
    Scott_P said:

    @davieclegg: Farage has conceded. The stock markets are calm. The bookies have 93% chance of Remain. Downing Street is relaxed. We're staying in the EU.

    Not sure it's even worth counting the votes now.
  • LadyBucketLadyBucket Posts: 590
    john_zims said:

    @AndyJS:

    Remain 52%
    Leave 48%

    'That's too close for comfort.'


    Surely the polling companies haven't got it wrong again ?

    I find it slightly curious that Alex Salmond and Steve Baker MP (VoteLeave) both predicted a few days ago that it would 52% remain - 48% leave. As a mere voter, sometimes you just feel like a pawn in a very large game.

  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    edited June 2016
    Just got a glimpse of someone (Edit: at a count) with an SNP rosette. Weird.
  • PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,275
    General election 1951 turnout 82.6%.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,973
    AndyJS said:

    Leave could still edge this, just.

    We could, but it's currently feeling like a narrow loss. Which is still better than a big loss.
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941
    I keep coming back to what Pulpstar said about pollsters weighting by GE voting. This is going to distort the polling heavily in Remains favour. I'm really thinking about increasing my Leave backing - but ugh, can't decide.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    rcs1000 said:

    JamesM said:

    My prediction at 10pm, pre-YouGov, was Remain 52.2% and 46.8% Leave.

    What about the other percent?
    Undecided
  • High turnout favours Leave doesn't it?

    Difficult to say. Could be a lot of WWC voters favouring leave. Could be a lot of young voters favouring remain.

    Probably a mix of both to be honest.
    Locally-not a lot of young but plenty of WWC

    Male of that what you will
  • IanB2 said:

    DavidL said:

    Turnout at that level throws the polls out of the window.

    Agreed. None of their models cover turnout at those levels. Doesn't mean it is good for Leave of course.
    Indeed. Perhaps MI5 gave up on the rubbing out and just added the extra votes in,...?
    Nah - their cellar got flooded and ruined them all
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,480
    weejonnie said:

    JamesM said:

    My prediction at 10pm, pre-YouGov, was Remain 52.2% and 46.8% Leave.

    And the 1%?
    MI5 still deciding.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,478
    Kamal Ahmed pretty much calling it for Remain
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,736
    The Gibraltar Liberal Party leader has a Welsh-Andalucian accent. One a noted historic heartland of party Liberalism, one not.
  • JamesMJamesM Posts: 221
    Sorry, I of course meant Remain 53.2% and Leave 46.8%
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @paulwaugh: Working class areas turned out in huge numbers. Just imagine if the pollsters underestimated their Leave leanings/weighting #JustSayin
  • Scott_P said:

    @davieclegg: Farage has conceded. The stock markets are calm. The bookies have 93% chance of Remain. Downing Street is relaxed. We're staying in the EU.

    Of course
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    AndyJS said:

    Leave could still edge this, just.

    If it's going to be that close then Leave will win Sunderland. Wonder how the markets will react to that.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    John Curtice lying!

    Claims that the exit poll was correct last year.

    Prediction: Hung parliament
    Result: Conservative majority.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,973
    Lowlander said:

    I keep coming back to what Pulpstar said about pollsters weighting by GE voting. This is going to distort the polling heavily in Remains favour. I'm really thinking about increasing my Leave backing - but ugh, can't decide.

    If you sell on SpreadEx it's basically free. What's the chance of Remain being higher than 55%? And even if Remain win 52:48 you're quids in.

    If Leave edge it, you're a rich man.
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941
    SeanT said:

    I wonder if we may see an indyref result, where exceptional turnout surprisingly favoured NO, as quiet loyalists showed up and voted.

    I think quiet middle classes and lower middle classes have come out and surprisingly favoured IN, because Project Fear.

    The difference is that Indyref turnout was higher by the same amounts in each area as at a General or Scottish election. I don't think that will happen here, we could be getting 80% in the WWC shires and sub 70% in Scotland and Metropolitan areas outside London.

    That will make a huge distortion to the way polls predict the outcome.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    We need some Leave rumours to drop the betfair price so we can all cash out
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