From Wiki ... "Student Grant is a cartoon strip created by Simon Thorp for the British comic Viz.[1] Grant first appeared in 1992 and became popular, featuring regularly for the rest of the decade.
The character is a University student named Grant Wankshaft, attending the fictional Spunkbridge University, one of the former polytechnics which became universities in 1992. Grant is pretentious, lazy,[2] smug and conceited, and peppers his speech with the word "actually".[3].
Grant vainly thinks of himself as a world-wise liberal intellectual, but is frequently shown as bigoted, not especially bright, and reliant on his parents for support, with little idea about the world outside of campus. He has a number of friends just like him, They are opinionated and talk loudly and ignorantly about various subjects.
Several of Grant's collegiate friends have bizarre speech impediments, dental deformities or both."
(my addition .. they often accuse everyone else of being "wacist").
"Grant likes to think of himself as in touch with the working classes but is utterly middle class and possesses a latent contempt for non-students in general, regarding himself and his friends as their superiors. This has resulted in a number of savage beatings over the years."
Student Grant will be voting Remain. Along with Luvvie Darling.
Sid the Sexist, Two Fat Slags and Cockney Wanker will be for Leave.
Yes the staunchest Remain voter is a young middle class LD voting graduate who lives in London and likes to travel and reads the Guardian.
The staunchest Leave voter is a working class UKIP voting pensioner who left school at 16 and lives in the East of England and rarely goes abroad and reads the Sun
I can't talk about remain voters but I am as staunch a Leaver as you can get.
I have two degrees plus post graduate qualifications, live in the South East, have travelled widely (including periods of living in Portugal, The Middle East and the Caribbean) and have not even looked at the Sun newspaper for donkeys' years.
Why do some people insist on trying to pigeon-hole others? The degree of stereotyping, which applied in other circumstances would be seen as objectionable if not downright illegal, that we see on this site is really starting to get up my nose.
I am sure there are some working class pensioners who live in a coastal town and will be voting Remain too, there are exceptions for every rule but by looking at the polling data which is the subject of this thread you can determine which way a voter is more likely to vote based on their socio-economic characteristics
It's more than exceptional cases. If Leave win 50% then about 37% of professionals will vote Leave, and 37% of working class voters will vote Remain. Those are minorities, but big minorities.
Corbyn quite good tonight - he is doing himself no harm and I didn't think I would ever say that
Game changer?
He is sincere and authentic and, in a sea of self-serving shapeshifters, stands out as a consequence.
It's the quality that got him elected leader in the first place.
He sincerely opposed membership of the EU until internal party management 'persuaded' him to become a Remainer. Funny how the usually vociferous Corbynistas on Twitter have been almost anonymous throughout this campaign.
He'll be with Brexit where it really counts... In the Polling Booth!
And, in a post REMAIN world they'll be less of a risk of "integration" under him than there would be the Tories.
Could you ever see Jezza signing up to the Euro? Unlike Cameron and Osborne who'd sell their granny's if they thought they could get away with ditching the Pound.
It's very tiresome hearing Leavers declare that pretty much anyone campaigning for/supporting Remain is a rabid Europhile who would happily cede all political control to "the EU". The fact is that the vast majority of remainers are just as they ever were. Sceptical about many aspects of the EU, frustrated that it fails to progress reforms that would genuinely help it as an organisation, fiercely opposed to the Euro, but also still of the view that most of the country's problems are still in the gift of the country's politicians to solve (or at least if not, they would largely be just as unsolvable outside of the EU). If anything it is many Leavers who were hiding their true opinions in the past.
Now it is perfectly reasonable to have a debate about the extent to which the country's interests are served by pursuing changes in partnership with other sovereign nations, and furthermore the extent to which the pursuit of such changes requires the dimunition of ability to block anything we might not be so keen on (QMV vs VETO). But simply making everyone out to be on the extremes of the debate just because they have chosen a side and feel they have to justify their position vociferously is just silly.
From Wiki ... "Student Grant is a cartoon strip created by Simon Thorp for the British comic Viz.[1] Grant first appeared in 1992 and became popular, featuring regularly for the rest of the decade.
The character is a University student named Grant Wankshaft, attending the fictional Spunkbridge University, one of the former polytechnics which became universities in 1992. Grant is pretentious, lazy,[2] smug and conceited, and peppers his speech with the word "actually".[3].
Grant vainly thinks of himself as a world-wise liberal intellectual, but is frequently shown as bigoted, not especially bright, and reliant on his parents for support, with little idea about the world outside of campus. He has a number of friends just like him, They are opinionated and talk loudly and ignorantly about various subjects.
Several of Grant's collegiate friends have bizarre speech impediments, dental deformities or both."
(my addition .. they often accuse everyone else of being "wacist").
"Grant likes to think of himself as in touch with the working classes but is utterly middle class and possesses a latent contempt for non-students in general, regarding himself and his friends as their superiors. This has resulted in a number of savage beatings over the years."
Student Grant will be voting Remain. Along with Luvvie Darling.
Sid the Sexist, Two Fat Slags and Cockney Wanker will be for Leave.
Roger Melly would surely support Leave. I don't know who Spoilt Bastard and Morris Day, Pervert, would support.
They do hordes of government research and their own British Social Attitudes study. Prof, Curtice associates with them at times.
They usually work face to face, but were pulling together an online panel last year. They use proper random sampling methods. Up to 12 calls to track down respondents.
FWIW someone called IBRiS has released polling for Sunday and today showing Remain 47.4%, Leave 44.5%.
Well that is clear nonsense. They know so little that they are quoting the results to 3 significant figures.
Epic Maths Fail.
Agree. I absolutely hate polling that isn't rounded.
It would be okay, if an error was given , i.e. 47.4±2.3.
I agree polls should certainly give an error. It is basic GCSE science that all measurements should come with an error.
But, I think your example is not OK, because it implies that the 1 sigma error is known to 1 dp.
Instead of Remain 47.4%, Leave 44.5%, I think IBRIS should have reported something like Remain 47±3 %, Leave 45±3 %. (If you believe, optimistically, the error is about 3 % )
However, if IBRIS can't get basic stuff right, they won't have got complicated stuff right, so their poll is probably worthless.
No no no no no
An error margin is fine, as long as it does actually measure the error. And the error bar on a typical poll is much much bigger than the sampling error alone.
If the data had been analysed via a likelihood function, then I might agree with you.
I actually don't know what algorithms the polling companies used (are they published anywhere?)
The Slovakian national anthem sounds like it was written slightly tongue-in-cheek for the soundtrack to Grand Budapest Hotel. And should have 26 verses.
Corbyn quite good tonight - he is doing himself no harm and I didn't think I would ever say that
Game changer?
He is sincere and authentic and, in a sea of self-serving shapeshifters, stands out as a consequence.
It's the quality that got him elected leader in the first place.
He sincerely opposed membership of the EU until internal party management 'persuaded' him to become a Remainer. Funny how the usually vociferous Corbynistas on Twitter have been almost anonymous throughout this campaign.
He'll be with Brexit where it really counts... In the Polling Booth!
And, in a post REMAIN world they'll be less of a risk of "integration" under him than there would be the Tories.
Could you ever see Jezza signing up to the Euro? Unlike Cameron and Osborne who'd sell their granny's if they thought they could get away with ditching the Pound.
It's very tiresome hearing Leavers declare that pretty much anyone campaigning for/supporting Remain is a rabid Europhile who would happily cede all political control to "the EU". The fact is that the vast majority of remainers are just as they ever were. Sceptical about many aspects of the EU, frustrated that it fails to progress reforms that would genuinely help it as an organisation, fiercely opposed to the Euro, but also still of the view that most of the country's problems are still in the gift of the country's politicians to solve (or at least if not, they would largely be just as unsolvable outside of the EU). If anything it is many Leavers who were hiding their true opinions in the past.
Now it is perfectly reasonable to have a debate about the extent to which the country's interests are served by pursuing changes in partnership with other sovereign nations, and furthermore the extent to which the pursuit of such changes requires the dimunition of ability to block anything we might not be so keen on (QMV vs VETO). But simply making everyone out to be on the extremes of the debate just because they have chosen a side and feel they have to justify their position vociferously is just silly.
Well, you can carry on voting for Cameron and Osborne then. Personally I'm OUT with them and IN with #TeamJezza
Corbyn quite good tonight - he is doing himself no harm and I didn't think I would ever say that
Game changer?
He is sincere and authentic and, in a sea of self-serving shapeshifters, stands out as a consequence.
It's the quality that got him elected leader in the first place.
He sincerely opposed membership of the EU until internal party management 'persuaded' him to become a Remainer. Funny how the usually vociferous Corbynistas on Twitter have been almost anonymous throughout this campaign.
He'll be with Brexit where it really counts... In the Polling Booth!
And, in a post REMAIN world they'll be less of a risk of "integration" under him than there would be the Tories.
Could you ever see Jezza signing up to the Euro? Unlike Cameron and Osborne who'd sell their granny's if they thought they could get away with ditching the Pound.
But simply making everyone out to be on the extremes of the debate just because they have chosen a side and feel they have to justify their position vociferously is just silly.
George Osborne has just revealed on LBC that their is no Brexit plan !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Says it is up to the Leave campaign to come up with a plan.
Leave haven't come up with a Brexit plan either. Which is a problem as we're supposed to be voting in it.
If they win, the Leave campaign is dissolved. They don't form a government.
Dissolved into chaos will be the truth of things! There will be those willing to ally with the remainers and seek to (re-) sign up to most of the EU provisions but outside of the Union. Others will be willing to make some concessions, e.g. on rules and payments, to stay within the single market. And there'll be the pure anti-EU kippers ready to cry betrayal at any suggestion we should engage with the EU on its terms, after we have left.
Corbyn quite good tonight - he is doing himself no harm and I didn't think I would ever say that
Game changer?
He is sincere and authentic and, in a sea of self-serving shapeshifters, stands out as a consequence.
It's the quality that got him elected leader in the first place.
He sincerely opposed membership of the EU until internal party management 'persuaded' him to become a Remainer. Funny how the usually vociferous Corbynistas on Twitter have been almost anonymous throughout this campaign.
He'll be with Brexit where it really counts... In the Polling Booth!
And, in a post REMAIN world they'll be less of a risk of "integration" under him than there would be the Tories.
Could you ever see Jezza signing up to the Euro? Unlike Cameron and Osborne who'd sell their granny's if they thought they could get away with ditching the Pound.
It's very tiresome hearing Leavers declare that pretty much anyone campaigning for/supporting Remain is a rabid Europhile who would happily cede all political control to "the EU". The fact is that the vast majority of remainers are just as they ever were. Sceptical about many aspects of the EU, frustrated that it fails to progress reforms that would genuinely help it as an organisation, fiercely opposed to the Euro, but also still of the view that most of the country's problems are still in the gift of the country's politicians to solve (or at least if not, they would largely be just as unsolvable outside of the EU). If anything it is many Leavers who were hiding their true opinions in the past.
Now it is perfectly reasonable to have a debate about the extent to which the country's interests are served by pursuing changes in partnership with other sovereign nations, and furthermore the extent to which the pursuit of such changes requires the dimunition of ability to block anything we might not be so keen on (QMV vs VETO). But simply making everyone out to be on the extremes of the debate just because they have chosen a side and feel they have to justify their position vociferously is just silly.
That would indeed be unfair.
What I think you're signing up for are endless battles not to cede powers to the EU. Some battles you'll win, some you'll lose, but the direction of travel will be clear.
Corbyn quite good tonight - he is doing himself no harm and I didn't think I would ever say that
Game changer?
He is sincere and authentic and, in a sea of self-serving shapeshifters, stands out as a consequence.
It's the quality that got him elected leader in the first place.
He sincerely opposed membership of the EU until internal party management 'persuaded' him to become a Remainer. Funny how the usually vociferous Corbynistas on Twitter have been almost anonymous throughout this campaign.
He'll be with Brexit where it really counts... In the Polling Booth!
And, in a post REMAIN world they'll be less of a risk of "integration" under him than there would be the Tories.
Could you ever see Jezza signing up to the Euro? Unlike Cameron and Osborne who'd sell their granny's if they thought they could get away with ditching the Pound.
But simply making everyone out to be on the extremes of the debate just because they have chosen a side and feel they have to justify their position vociferously is just silly.
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I agree. I find the name calling tedious. What is worse is the characterising of peoples views.
Oh, you want to vote in? You think we can't do anything you Quisling?
Of, you want to vote out? Your an economically illiterate racist thug....
George Osborne has just revealed on LBC that their is no Brexit plan !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Says it is up to the Leave campaign to come up with a plan.
Leave haven't come up with a Brexit plan either. Which is a problem as we're supposed to be voting in it.
If they win, the Leave campaign is dissolved. They don't form a government.
Dissolved into chaos will be the truth of things! There will be those willing to ally with the remainers and seek to (re-) sign up to most of the EU provisions but outside of the Union. Others will be willing to make some concessions, e.g. on rules and payments, to stay within the single market. And there'll be the pure anti-EU kippers ready to cry betrayal at any suggestion we should engage with the EU on its terms, after we have left.
The Leave campaign won't exist.
There will be the government and parliament. And Farage whining inpotently.
Corbyn quite good tonight - he is doing himself no harm and I didn't think I would ever say that
Game changer?
He is sincere and authentic and, in a sea of self-serving shapeshifters, stands out as a consequence.
It's the quality that got him elected leader in the first place.
He sincerely opposed membership of the EU until internal party management 'persuaded' him to become a Remainer. Funny how the usually vociferous Corbynistas on Twitter have been almost anonymous throughout this campaign.
He'll be with Brexit where it really counts... In the Polling Booth!
And, in a post REMAIN world they'll be less of a risk of "integration" under him than there would be the Tories.
Could you ever see Jezza signing up to the Euro? Unlike Cameron and Osborne who'd sell their granny's if they thought they could get away with ditching the Pound.
It's very tiresome hearing Leavers declare that pretty much anyone campaigning for/supporting Remain is a rabid Europhile who would happily cede all political control to "the EU". The fact is that the vast majority of remainers are just as they ever were. Sceptical about many aspects of the EU, frustrated that it fails to progress reforms that would genuinely help it as an organisation, fiercely opposed to the Euro, but also still of the view that most of the country's problems are still in the gift of the country's politicians to solve (or at least if not, they would largely be just as unsolvable outside of the EU). If anything it is many Leavers who were hiding their true opinions in the past.
Now it is perfectly reasonable to have a debate about the extent to which the country's interests are served by pursuing changes in partnership with other sovereign nations, and furthermore the extent to which the pursuit of such changes requires the dimunition of ability to block anything we might not be so keen on (QMV vs VETO). But simply making everyone out to be on the extremes of the debate just because they have chosen a side and feel they have to justify their position vociferously is just silly.
Well said, Mr. Alex. I think it entirely possible that with the same object in mind (e.g. the welfare of the Country in the long term) can rationally and reasonably come up with two different routes of how that might be best achieved. It really doesn't need all the bile and anger that we see on here recently and in wider political discourse. Wisdom, let alone good ideas are not the sole prerogative of one side.
Electorate in GB = 38,597,100, (E) 2,297,300 (W), 4,027,200 (S). Total = 44,921,600
Electorate of London = 5,216,352, Electorate of Gibraltar = 20,683
Electorate of NI = 1,241,079
Therefore:
Electorate of Scotland, Wales, NI, Gib , London combined = 12,802,614
Electorate of England less London = 33,380,748
Electorate of England less London is nearly three times the size of the rest of the UK electorate combined.
Therefore Even if Everybody in Wales, NI, Scotland London and Gibraltar voted Remain, just a 69-31% out vote in the rest of England would overturn their votes and result in OUT.
Electorate in GB = 38,597,100, (E) 2,297,300 (W), 4,027,200 (S). Total = 44,921,600
Electorate of London = 5,216,352, Electorate of Gibraltar = 20,683
Electorate of NI = 1,241,079
Therefore:
Electorate of Scotland, Wales, NI, Gib , London combined = 12,802,614
Electorate of England less London = 33,380,748
Electorate of England less London is nearly three times the size of the rest of the UK electorate combined.
Therefore Even if Everybody in Wales, NI, Scotland London and Gibraltar voted Remain, just a 69-31% out vote in the rest of England would overturn their votes and result in OUT.
Good Luck Remainers.
Have any polls suggested Leave at 70% in the regions?
Electorate in GB = 38,597,100, (E) 2,297,300 (W), 4,027,200 (S). Total = 44,921,600
Electorate of London = 5,216,352, Electorate of Gibraltar = 20,683
Electorate of NI = 1,241,079
Therefore:
Electorate of Scotland, Wales, NI, Gib , London combined = 12,802,614
Electorate of England less London = 33,380,748
Electorate of England less London is nearly three times the size of the rest of the UK electorate combined.
Therefore Even if Everybody in Wales, NI, Scotland London and Gibraltar voted Remain, just a 69-31% out vote in the rest of England would overturn their votes and result in OUT.
Good Luck Remainers.
Have any polls suggested Leave at 70% in the regions?
As many as have suggested 100% Remain in Scotland, Wales, NI, London and Gibraltar...
Corbyn quite good tonight - he is doing himself no harm and I didn't think I would ever say that
Game changer?
He is sincere and authentic and, in a sea of self-serving shapeshifters, stands out as a consequence.
It's the quality that got him elected leader in the first place.
He sincerely opposed membership of the EU until internal party management 'persuaded' him to become a Remainer. Funny how the usually vociferous Corbynistas on Twitter have been almost anonymous throughout this campaign.
He'll be with Brexit where it really counts... In the Polling Booth!
And, in a post REMAIN world they'll be less of a risk of "integration" under him than there would be the Tories.
Could you ever see Jezza signing up to the Euro? Unlike Cameron and Osborne who'd sell their granny's if they thought they could get away with ditching the Pound.
It's very tiresome hearing Leavers declare that pretty much anyone campaigning for/supporting Remain is a rabid Europhile who would happily cede all political control to "the EU". The fact is that the vast majority of remainers are just as they ever were. Sceptical about many aspects of the EU, frustrated that it fails to progress reforms that would genuinely help it as an organisation, fiercely opposed to the Euro, but also still of the view that most of the country's problems are still in the gift of the country's politicians to solve (or at least if not, they would largely be just as unsolvable outside of the EU). If anything it is many Leavers who were hiding their true opinions in the past.
Now it is perfectly reasonable to have a debate about the extent to which the country's interests are served by pursuing changes in partnership with other sovereign nations, and furthermore the extent to which the pursuit of such changes requires the dimunition of ability to block anything we might not be so keen on (QMV vs VETO). But simply making everyone out to be on the extremes of the debate just because they have chosen a side and feel they have to justify their position vociferously is just silly.
Well said, Mr. Alex. I think it entirely possible that with the same object in mind (e.g. the welfare of the Country in the long term) can rationally and reasonably come up with two different routes of how that might be best achieved. It really doesn't need all the bile and anger that we see on here recently and in wider political discourse. Wisdom, let alone good ideas are not the sole prerogative of one side.
Electorate in GB = 38,597,100, (E) 2,297,300 (W), 4,027,200 (S). Total = 44,921,600
Electorate of London = 5,216,352, Electorate of Gibraltar = 20,683
Electorate of NI = 1,241,079
Therefore:
Electorate of Scotland, Wales, NI, Gib , London combined = 12,802,614
Electorate of England less London = 33,380,748
Electorate of England less London is nearly three times the size of the rest of the UK electorate combined.
Therefore Even if Everybody in Wales, NI, Scotland London and Gibraltar voted Remain, just a 69-31% out vote in the rest of England would overturn their votes and result in OUT.
Good Luck Remainers.
Have any polls suggested Leave at 70% in the regions?
As many as have suggested 100% Remain in Scotland, Wales, NI, London and Gibraltar...
George Osborne has just revealed on LBC that their is no Brexit plan !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Says it is up to the Leave campaign to come up with a plan.
Leave haven't come up with a Brexit plan either. Which is a problem as we're supposed to be voting in it.
If they win, the Leave campaign is dissolved. They don't form a government.
Dissolved into chaos will be the truth of things! There will be those willing to ally with the remainers and seek to (re-) sign up to most of the EU provisions but outside of the Union. Others will be willing to make some concessions, e.g. on rules and payments, to stay within the single market. And there'll be the pure anti-EU kippers ready to cry betrayal at any suggestion we should engage with the EU on its terms, after we have left.
The Leave campaign won't exist.
There will be the government and parliament. And Farage whining inpotently.
The government would presumably be led by Boris (who actually wants to remain, on different terms!) or some other leaver, with a cabinet of mostly leavers trying to keep the rest of the Tory party in line, given that parliament has clear remain majority. I would love it if Farage is indeed impotent, but in such circumstances I suspect the voice of the 'radicals' outside parliament could exert considerable leverage. Students of English history will recall Cromwell's ultimately doomed attempts to get an unwilling parliament to do his bidding whilst being harried endlessly by still-more radical ex-parliamentary groups....
Corbyn quite good tonight - he is doing himself no harm and I didn't think I would ever say that
Game changer?
He is sincere and authentic and, in a sea of self-serving shapeshifters, stands out as a consequence.
It's the quality that got him elected leader in the first place.
He sincerely opposed membership of the EU until internal party management 'persuaded' him to become a Remainer. Funny how the usually vociferous Corbynistas on Twitter have been almost anonymous throughout this campaign.
He'll be with Brexit where it really counts... In the Polling Booth!
And, in a post REMAIN world they'll be less of a risk of "integration" under him than there would be the Tories.
Could you ever see Jezza signing up to the Euro? Unlike Cameron and Osborne who'd sell their granny's if they thought they could get away with ditching the Pound.
It's very tiresome hearing Lea is just silly.
Well said, Mr. Alex. I think it entirely possible that with the same object in mind (e.g. the welfare of the Country in the long term) can rationally and reasonably come up with two different routes of how that might be best achieved. It really doesn't need all the bile and anger that we see on here recently and in wider political discourse. Wisdom, let alone good ideas are not the sole prerogative of one side.
Quite Mr L
Are we now at the stage where we can start to look back and ask what has this exercise revealed to us ? My initial thoughts
1.The Tories have a huge split which Cameron and Osborne have made worse. 2. Labour has lost touch with half its supporters 3. Cameron has nothing to offer but managerial fixes 4. Europe hasn't gone away you know 5 The traditional political Left Right axis bears no relation to what voters think, only tribal voting is keeping it a live 6. Farage should make way for someone who can take UKIP forward
Total polled: 596, Will vote 578, Won't vote 18 (Turnout 97%) Of voters: Remain 540, Leave 12, Don't know 26
That's about 2.5% of the population in the poll.
Just to note that this isn't a standard newspaper voodoo poll, The Chronicle contact a weighted panel and use an established methodology which has got them within a couple of percentage points of both recent elections.
Total polled: 596, Will vote 578, Won't vote 18 (Turnout 97%) Of voters: Remain 540, Leave 12, Don't know 26
That's about 2.5% of the population in the poll.
Just to note that this isn't a standard newspaper voodoo poll, The Chronicle contact a weighted panel and use an established methodology which has got them within a couple of percentage points of both recent elections.
Total polled: 596, Will vote 578, Won't vote 18 (Turnout 97%) Of voters: Remain 540, Leave 12, Don't know 26
That's about 2.5% of the population in the poll.
Just to note that this isn't a standard newspaper voodoo poll, The Chronicle contact a weighted panel and use an established methodology which has got them within a couple of percentage points of both recent elections.
We'll know her campaign is improving to your man Trump's calibre if she has to fire her campaign manager for attacking women and sniping at her daughter's husband.
Electorate in GB = 38,597,100, (E) 2,297,300 (W), 4,027,200 (S). Total = 44,921,600
Electorate of London = 5,216,352, Electorate of Gibraltar = 20,683
Electorate of NI = 1,241,079
Therefore:
Electorate of Scotland, Wales, NI, Gib , London combined = 12,802,614
Electorate of England less London = 33,380,748
Electorate of England less London is nearly three times the size of the rest of the UK electorate combined.
Therefore Even if Everybody in Wales, NI, Scotland London and Gibraltar voted Remain, just a 69-31% out vote in the rest of England would overturn their votes and result in OUT.
Good Luck Remainers.
Sadly, there are going to be plenty of places in England that will be majority for Remain: Bristol, Brighton, Cambridge, Oxford, and I wouldn't be surprised if Birmingham and Manchester joined their ranks.
Electorate in GB = 38,597,100, (E) 2,297,300 (W), 4,027,200 (S). Total = 44,921,600
Electorate of London = 5,216,352, Electorate of Gibraltar = 20,683
Electorate of NI = 1,241,079
Therefore:
Electorate of Scotland, Wales, NI, Gib , London combined = 12,802,614
Electorate of England less London = 33,380,748
Electorate of England less London is nearly three times the size of the rest of the UK electorate combined.
Therefore Even if Everybody in Wales, NI, Scotland London and Gibraltar voted Remain, just a 69-31% out vote in the rest of England would overturn their votes and result in OUT.
Good Luck Remainers.
Have any polls suggested Leave at 70% in the regions?
As many as have suggested 100% Remain in Scotland, Wales, NI, London and Gibraltar...
Total polled: 596, Will vote 578, Won't vote 18 (Turnout 97%) Of voters: Remain 540, Leave 12, Don't know 26
That's about 2.5% of the population in the poll.
Just to note that this isn't a standard newspaper voodoo poll, The Chronicle contact a weighted panel and use an established methodology which has got them within a couple of percentage points of both recent elections.
Electorate in GB = 38,597,100, (E) 2,297,300 (W), 4,027,200 (S). Total = 44,921,600
Electorate of London = 5,216,352, Electorate of Gibraltar = 20,683
Electorate of NI = 1,241,079
Therefore:
Electorate of Scotland, Wales, NI, Gib , London combined = 12,802,614
Electorate of England less London = 33,380,748
Electorate of England less London is nearly three times the size of the rest of the UK electorate combined.
Therefore Even if Everybody in Wales, NI, Scotland London and Gibraltar voted Remain, just a 69-31% out vote in the rest of England would overturn their votes and result in OUT.
Good Luck Remainers.
That looks like an enormous hurdle for LEAVE, although I think it's probably fair to take Wales out of the 100% REMAIN camp and include its electorate with the England, excl London, number.
George Osborne has just revealed on LBC that their is no Brexit plan !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Says it is up to the Leave campaign to come up with a plan.
Leave haven't come up with a Brexit plan either. Which is a problem as we're supposed to be voting in it.
If they win, the Leave campaign is dissolved. They don't form a government.
Dissolved into chaos will be the truth of things! There will be those willing to ally with the remainers and seek to (re-) sign up to most of the EU provisions but outside of the Union. Others will be willing to make some concessions, e.g. on rules and payments, to stay within the single market. And there'll be the pure anti-EU kippers ready to cry betrayal at any suggestion we should engage with the EU on its terms, after we have left.
The Leave campaign won't exist.
There will be the government and parliament. And Farage whining inpotently.
The government would presumably be led by Boris (who actually wants to remain, on different terms!) or some other leaver, with a cabinet of mostly leavers trying to keep the rest of the Tory party in line, given that parliament has clear remain majority.
There aren't enough plausible cabinet ministers amongst Tory Leavers to make a Tory cabinet be "mostly Leavers".
And they could very easily elect a nominal Remainer as leader.
Electorate in GB = 38,597,100, (E) 2,297,300 (W), 4,027,200 (S). Total = 44,921,600
Electorate of London = 5,216,352, Electorate of Gibraltar = 20,683
Electorate of NI = 1,241,079
Therefore:
Electorate of Scotland, Wales, NI, Gib , London combined = 12,802,614
Electorate of England less London = 33,380,748
Electorate of England less London is nearly three times the size of the rest of the UK electorate combined.
Therefore Even if Everybody in Wales, NI, Scotland London and Gibraltar voted Remain, just a 69-31% out vote in the rest of England would overturn their votes and result in OUT.
Good Luck Remainers.
While that sounds good, if we say they go 66-34 for Remain, then RoEngland needs to go ~62-38 for Leave. Polls are not showing that.
Are we now at the stage where we can start to look back and ask what has this exercise revealed to us ? My initial thoughts
1.The Tories have a huge split which Cameron and Osborne have made worse. 2. Labour has lost touch with half its supporters 3. Cameron has nothing to offer but managerial fixes 4. Europe hasn't gone away you know 5 The traditional political Left Right axis bears no relation to what voters think, only tribal voting is keeping it a live 6. Farage should make way for someone who can take UKIP forward
I fully agree with all six of your points. Even if Remain win this issue of our EU membership is not going away, much like Scottish independence.
I think him very clever and funny, but it wasn't his best effort. With the SindyRef he was strongly for No, but he still put more effort into explaining the issues on both sides while still being clearly for his side. In this piece his acknowledgements of the side were very token.
Unless I'm very much mistaken, I would say that the anecdotal evidence offered on this site to date strongly favours LEAVE, paricularly with reference to large numbers of voters, eg the Nissan workforce vs a few dozen people in North London. But then again, these are random reports, completely unsubstatiated and unweighted and although interesting, have about the same value as yesterday's fish and chips wrapping.
Most of the anecdotes come from active campaigners for LEAVE, experiencing the natural politeness of the great English public; almost all come from their sympathisers.
If the anecdotal evidence from here is a quarter way accurate Remain will do well to poll in the high teens.....
I was just thinking exactly that - particularly as every Leave vote that has been the subject of an anecdote has been a "surprise" as the poster would have expected them to vote Remain. Don't know why we are waiting till Friday to get the result really.
Electorate in GB = 38,597,100, (E) 2,297,300 (W), 4,027,200 (S). Total = 44,921,600
Electorate of London = 5,216,352, Electorate of Gibraltar = 20,683
Electorate of NI = 1,241,079
Therefore:
Electorate of Scotland, Wales, NI, Gib , London combined = 12,802,614
Electorate of England less London = 33,380,748
Electorate of England less London is nearly three times the size of the rest of the UK electorate combined.
Therefore Even if Everybody in Wales, NI, Scotland London and Gibraltar voted Remain, just a 69-31% out vote in the rest of England would overturn their votes and result in OUT.
Good Luck Remainers.
Sadly, there are going to be plenty of places in England that will be majority for Remain: Bristol, Brighton, Cambridge, Oxford, and I wouldn't be surprised if Birmingham and Manchester joined their ranks.
Birmingham probably will, but the peripheral counties ( where a lot of people commute ) will be solidly Leave.
Total polled: 596, Will vote 578, Won't vote 18 (Turnout 97%) Of voters: Remain 540, Leave 12, Don't know 26
That's about 2.5% of the population in the poll.
Just to note that this isn't a standard newspaper voodoo poll, The Chronicle contact a weighted panel and use an established methodology which has got them within a couple of percentage points of both recent elections.
Total polled: 596, Will vote 578, Won't vote 18 (Turnout 97%) Of voters: Remain 540, Leave 12, Don't know 26
That's about 2.5% of the population in the poll.
Just to note that this isn't a standard newspaper voodoo poll, The Chronicle contact a weighted panel and use an established methodology which has got them within a couple of percentage points of both recent elections.
Unless I'm very much mistaken, I would say that the anecdotal evidence offered on this site to date strongly favours LEAVE, paricularly with reference to large numbers of voters, eg the Nissan workforce vs a few dozen people in North London. But then again, these are random reports, completely unsubstatiated and unweighted and although interesting, have about the same value as yesterday's fish and chips wrapping.
Most of the anecdotes come from active campaigners for LEAVE, experiencing the natural politeness of the great English public; almost all come from their sympathisers.
If the anecdotal evidence from here is a quarter way accurate Remain will do well to poll in the high teens.....
I was just thinking exactly that - particularly as every Leave vote that has been the subject of an anecdote has been a "surprise" as the poster would have expected them to vote Remain. Don't know why we are waiting till Friday to get the result really.
I bet people who know, much less marry, PBers are going to be more inclined to LEAVE than crude demography would suggest.
Interesting that domestically owned manufacturers - JCB, Dyson, Aston Martin - arent afraid of Brexit, but all the multinationals are against it.
I think it also shows a split between those who primarily export to the EU from the UK, and those who primarily export to the rest of the world.
Yes that's a fair comment, though arguably people like Ford Renault and VW are more exporters to the UK than part of our manufacturing base, so they are going to scream loudest.
Total polled: 596, Will vote 578, Won't vote 18 (Turnout 97%) Of voters: Remain 540, Leave 12, Don't know 26
That's about 2.5% of the population in the poll.
Just to note that this isn't a standard newspaper voodoo poll, The Chronicle contact a weighted panel and use an established methodology which has got them within a couple of percentage points of both recent elections.
Total polled: 596, Will vote 578, Won't vote 18 (Turnout 97%) Of voters: Remain 540, Leave 12, Don't know 26
That's about 2.5% of the population in the poll.
Just to note that this isn't a standard newspaper voodoo poll, The Chronicle contact a weighted panel and use an established methodology which has got them within a couple of percentage points of both recent elections.
DC's clause on the meaning of 'Ever Closer Union' is perhaps the most important part of his deal, because it is a strong marker. Yes, I expect there to be bumps in the writing of this into EU treaties, but as an acknowledgement of reality, I don't expect it ultimately to be struck down and I do expect it to have significant bearing on the future development of the EU.
As for the inner core, if they want an army, let 'em.
In Mr Paxman's recent EU doccy, the House of Commons Library told him that 59% of UK laws in 2010-2013 came from the EU. That's plenty close enough already.
[Serious question]
How do you measure laws? By numbers of acts of parliament? By word count? By number of articles?
I ask this because if you look through the list of Acts of Parliament 2015 (here), you see remarkably few that appear EU inspired. There is the "European Union (Approvals) Act 2015", but most seem to be unremarkable and certainly not inspired by the EU.
Also includes secondary legislation, no doubt.
Yes, the facts are not really in dispute on this. There is a huge amount of standardisation legislation which mostly comes from the EU, as part of the development of the single market, and that's where the 59% comes from. Generally manufacturers don't especially care where they need to put labels or whether they need to be green or pink, but they'd rather not have to grapple with 28 different sets of regulations, so by common consent these things are increasingly standard throughout the EU. Where a standared has been set, countries are not allowed to say "Nah, we're gonna have pink labels instead" - so "taking back control" in that context means the ability to deviate from an agreed standard.
By contrast, there is not much primary legislation or legislation which most people would think was important that comes from the EU. The compulsory 4 weeks' holiday is an example, or (to take one that I had something to do with) the ban on painful experiments on animals to test cosmetics.
George Osborne has just revealed on LBC that their is no Brexit plan !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Says it is up to the Leave campaign to come up with a plan.
Leave haven't come up with a Brexit plan either. Which is a problem as we're supposed to be voting in it.
If they win, the Leave campaign is dissolved. They don't form a government.
Dissolved into chaos will be the truth of things! There will be those willing to ally with the remainers and seek to (re-) sign up to most of the EU provisions but outside of the Union. Others will be willing to make some concessions, e.g. on rules and payments, to stay within the single market. And there'll be the pure anti-EU kippers ready to cry betrayal at any suggestion we should engage with the EU on its terms, after we have left.
The Leave campaign won't exist.
There will be the government and parliament. And Farage whining inpotently.
The government would presumably be led by Boris (who actually wants to remain, on different terms!) or some other leaver, with a cabinet of mostly leavers trying to keep the rest of the Tory party in line, given that parliament has clear remain majority.
There aren't enough plausible cabinet ministers amongst Tory Leavers to make a Tory cabinet be "mostly Leavers".
And they could very easily elect a nominal Remainer as leader.
Given the weight of establishment support for remain, a leave vote would be as close to a revolution as you can get within a continuing democracy. Revolutions usually unleash massive expectations which cannot possibly be fulfilled, and history suggests the usual solution is that some strongman eventually takes control and metes out a punishment to the more radical revolutionary elements that is far worse than ever they would have encountered under the pre-existing regime. I don't really see Boris, or anyone else, stepping up to such a plate, do you?
Electorate in GB = 38,597,100, (E) 2,297,300 (W), 4,027,200 (S). Total = 44,921,600
Electorate of London = 5,216,352, Electorate of Gibraltar = 20,683
Electorate of NI = 1,241,079
Therefore:
Electorate of Scotland, Wales, NI, Gib , London combined = 12,802,614
Electorate of England less London = 33,380,748
Electorate of England less London is nearly three times the size of the rest of the UK electorate combined.
Therefore Even if Everybody in Wales, NI, Scotland London and Gibraltar voted Remain, just a 69-31% out vote in the rest of England would overturn their votes and result in OUT.
Good Luck Remainers.
That looks like an enormous hurdle for LEAVE, although I think it's probably fair to take Wales out of the 100% REMAIN camp and include its electorate with the England, excl London, number.
But contrarywise there will be big chunks of England - the London commuter belt, university cities, some of the big northern towns, that shouldn't be lumped in with Cornwall, Lincolnshire et al...
Total polled: 596, Will vote 578, Won't vote 18 (Turnout 97%) Of voters: Remain 540, Leave 12, Don't know 26
That's about 2.5% of the population in the poll.
Just to note that this isn't a standard newspaper voodoo poll, The Chronicle contact a weighted panel and use an established methodology which has got them within a couple of percentage points of both recent elections.
I think him very clever and funny, but it wasn't his best effort. With the SindyRef he was strongly for No, but he still put more effort into explaining the issues on both sides while still being clearly for his side. In this piece his acknowledgements of the side were very token.
Electorate in GB = 38,597,100, (E) 2,297,300 (W), 4,027,200 (S). Total = 44,921,600
Electorate of London = 5,216,352, Electorate of Gibraltar = 20,683
Electorate of NI = 1,241,079
Therefore:
Electorate of Scotland, Wales, NI, Gib , London combined = 12,802,614
Electorate of England less London = 33,380,748
Electorate of England less London is nearly three times the size of the rest of the UK electorate combined.
Therefore Even if Everybody in Wales, NI, Scotland London and Gibraltar voted Remain, just a 69-31% out vote in the rest of England would overturn their votes and result in OUT.
Good Luck Remainers.
While that sounds good, if we say they go 66-34 for Remain, then RoEngland needs to go ~62-38 for Leave. Polls are not showing that.
Sorry but I believe you have miscalculated.
If on 100% turnout London+Gib+RoUK votes 62-38 remain,
Then rest of England needs to vote leave by 56-44 to overturn it.
Thats eminently possible. No wonder Remain are worried once you factor differential turnout etc.in
Electorate in GB = 38,597,100, (E) 2,297,300 (W), 4,027,200 (S). Total = 44,921,600
Electorate of London = 5,216,352, Electorate of Gibraltar = 20,683
Electorate of NI = 1,241,079
Therefore:
Electorate of Scotland, Wales, NI, Gib , London combined = 12,802,614
Electorate of England less London = 33,380,748
Electorate of England less London is nearly three times the size of the rest of the UK electorate combined.
Therefore Even if Everybody in Wales, NI, Scotland London and Gibraltar voted Remain, just a 69-31% out vote in the rest of England would overturn their votes and result in OUT.
Good Luck Remainers.
While that sounds good, if we say they go 66-34 for Remain, then RoEngland needs to go ~62-38 for Leave. Polls are not showing that.
Sorry but I believe you have miscalculated.
If on 100% turnout London+Gib+RoUK votes 62-38 remain,
Then rest of England needs to vote leave by 56-44 to overturn it.
Thats eminently possible. No wonder Remain are worried once you factor differential turnout etc.in
What is it if Lon-Gib-Wal-Sco-NI go 67-33 for Remain? If it is ~57-43 for Leave in RestofEngland then this may be quite close.
Total polled: 596, Will vote 578, Won't vote 18 (Turnout 97%) Of voters: Remain 540, Leave 12, Don't know 26
That's about 2.5% of the population in the poll.
Just to note that this isn't a standard newspaper voodoo poll, The Chronicle contact a weighted panel and use an established methodology which has got them within a couple of percentage points of both recent elections.
Unless I'm very much mistaken, I would say that the anecdotal evidence offered on this site to date strongly favours LEAVE, paricularly with reference to large numbers of voters, eg the Nissan workforce vs a few dozen people in North London. But then again, these are random reports, completely unsubstatiated and unweighted and although interesting, have about the same value as yesterday's fish and chips wrapping.
Most of the anecdotes come from active campaigners for LEAVE, experiencing the natural politeness of the great English public; almost all come from their sympathisers.
If the anecdotal evidence from here is a quarter way accurate Remain will do well to poll in the high teens.....
I was just thinking exactly that - particularly as every Leave vote that has been the subject of an anecdote has been a "surprise" as the poster would have expected them to vote Remain. Don't know why we are waiting till Friday to get the result really.
I bet people who know, much less marry, PBers are going to be more inclined to LEAVE than crude demography would suggest.
Anecdotes are interesting, but there's not the slightest doubt that Remain will win this now.
Total polled: 596, Will vote 578, Won't vote 18 (Turnout 97%) Of voters: Remain 540, Leave 12, Don't know 26
That's about 2.5% of the population in the poll.
Just to note that this isn't a standard newspaper voodoo poll, The Chronicle contact a weighted panel and use an established methodology which has got them within a couple of percentage points of both recent elections.
Total polled: 596, Will vote 578, Won't vote 18 (Turnout 97%) Of voters: Remain 540, Leave 12, Don't know 26
That's about 2.5% of the population in the poll.
Just to note that this isn't a standard newspaper voodoo poll, The Chronicle contact a weighted panel and use an established methodology which has got them within a couple of percentage points of both recent elections.
Unless I'm very much mistaken, I would say that the anecdotal evidence offered on this site to date strongly favours LEAVE, paricularly with reference to large numbers of voters, eg the Nissan workforce vs a few dozen people in North London. But then again, these are random reports, completely unsubstatiated and unweighted and although interesting, have about the same value as yesterday's fish and chips wrapping.
Most of the anecdotes come from active campaigners for LEAVE, experiencing the natural politeness of the great English public; almost all come from their sympathisers.
If the anecdotal evidence from here is a quarter way accurate Remain will do well to poll in the high teens.....
I was just thinking exactly that - particularly as every Leave vote that has been the subject of an anecdote has been a "surprise" as the poster would have expected them to vote Remain. Don't know why we are waiting till Friday to get the result really.
I bet people who know, much less marry, PBers are going to be more inclined to LEAVE than crude demography would suggest.
Anecdotes are interesting, but there's not the slightest doubt that Remain will win this now.
Total polled: 596, Will vote 578, Won't vote 18 (Turnout 97%) Of voters: Remain 540, Leave 12, Don't know 26
That's about 2.5% of the population in the poll.
Just to note that this isn't a standard newspaper voodoo poll, The Chronicle contact a weighted panel and use an established methodology which has got them within a couple of percentage points of both recent elections.
Yeah. If the UK votes Brexit overall then my flat is going to be firebombed.
Can I formally appeal to PB for sanctuary in that event? There will be about 50 of us voters on the run and in fear of our lives. We'd be eternally grateful to any PBer who can offer a spare room or some sofa space at short notice. Cheers in advance.
Unless I'm very much mistaken, I would say that the anecdotal evidence offered on this site to date strongly favours LEAVE, paricularly with reference to large numbers of voters, eg the Nissan workforce vs a few dozen people in North London. But then again, these are random reports, completely unsubstatiated and unweighted and although interesting, have about the same value as yesterday's fish and chips wrapping.
Most of the anecdotes come from active campaigners for LEAVE, experiencing the natural politeness of the great English public; almost all come from their sympathisers.
If the anecdotal evidence from here is a quarter way accurate Remain will do well to poll in the high teens.....
I was just thinking exactly that - particularly as every Leave vote that has been the subject of an anecdote has been a "surprise" as the poster would have expected them to vote Remain. Don't know why we are waiting till Friday to get the result really.
I bet people who know, much less marry, PBers are going to be more inclined to LEAVE than crude demography would suggest.
Anecdotes are interesting, but there's not the slightest doubt that Remain will win this now.
Almost certainly correct, leaves only hope is low turnout
Unless I'm very much mistaken, I would say that the anecdotal evidence offered on this site to date strongly favours LEAVE, paricularly with reference to large numbers of voters, eg the Nissan workforce vs a few dozen people in North London. But then again, these are random reports, completely unsubstatiated and unweighted and although interesting, have about the same value as yesterday's fish and chips wrapping.
Most of the anecdotes come from active campaigners for LEAVE, experiencing the natural politeness of the great English public; almost all come from their sympathisers.
If the anecdotal evidence from here is a quarter way accurate Remain will do well to poll in the high teens.....
I was just thinking exactly that - particularly as every Leave vote that has been the subject of an anecdote has been a "surprise" as the poster would have expected them to vote Remain. Don't know why we are waiting till Friday to get the result really.
I bet people who know, much less marry, PBers are going to be more inclined to LEAVE than crude demography would suggest.
Anecdotes are interesting, but there's not the slightest doubt that Remain will win this now.
Unless I'm very much mistaken, I would say that the anecdotal evidence offered on this site to date strongly favours LEAVE, paricularly with reference to large numbers of voters, eg the Nissan workforce vs a few dozen people in North London. But then again, these are random reports, completely unsubstatiated and unweighted and although interesting, have about the same value as yesterday's fish and chips wrapping.
Most of the anecdotes come from active campaigners for LEAVE, experiencing the natural politeness of the great English public; almost all come from their sympathisers.
If the anecdotal evidence from here is a quarter way accurate Remain will do well to poll in the high teens.....
I was just thinking exactly that - particularly as every Leave vote that has been the subject of an anecdote has been a "surprise" as the poster would have expected them to vote Remain. Don't know why we are waiting till Friday to get the result really.
I bet people who know, much less marry, PBers are going to be more inclined to LEAVE than crude demography would suggest.
Anecdotes are interesting, but there's not the slightest doubt that Remain will win this now.
What is your reasoning behind that?
If you assume the worst you're either right or happy.
DC's clause on the meaning of 'Ever Closer Union' is perhaps the most important part of his deal, because it is a strong marker. Yes, I expect there to be bumps in the writing of this into EU treaties, but as an acknowledgement of reality, I don't expect it ultimately to be struck down and I do expect it to have significant bearing on the future development of the EU.
As for the inner core, if they want an army, let 'em.
In Mr Paxman's recent EU doccy, the House of Commons Library told him that 59% of UK laws in 2010-2013 came from the EU. That's plenty close enough already.
[Serious question]
How do you measure laws? By numbers of acts of parliament? By word count? By number of articles?
I ask this because if you look through the list of Acts of Parliament 2015 (here), you see remarkably few that appear EU inspired. There is the "European Union (Approvals) Act 2015", but most seem to be unremarkable and certainly not inspired by the EU.
Also includes secondary legislation, no doubt.
Yes, the facts are not really in dispute on this. There is a huge amount of standardisation legislation which mostly comes from the EU, as part of the development of the single market, and that's where the 59% comes from. Generally manufacturers don't especially care where they need to put labels or whether they need to be green or pink, but they'd rather not have to grapple with 28 different sets of regulations, so by common consent these things are increasingly standard throughout the EU. Where a standared has been set, countries are not allowed to say "Nah, we're gonna have pink labels instead" - so "taking back control" in that context means the ability to deviate from an agreed standard.
By contrast, there is not much primary legislation or legislation which most people would think was important that comes from the EU. The compulsory 4 weeks' holiday is an example, or (to take one that I had something to do with) the ban on painful experiments on animals to test cosmetics.
Quite a lot of technical standardisation comes from the WTO (where Norway are at the top table and we are not) then via the EU to us, surely?
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Sid the Sexist, Two Fat Slags and Cockney Wanker will be for Leave.
Now it is perfectly reasonable to have a debate about the extent to which the country's interests are served by pursuing changes in partnership with other sovereign nations, and furthermore the extent to which the pursuit of such changes requires the dimunition of ability to block anything we might not be so keen on (QMV vs VETO). But simply making everyone out to be on the extremes of the debate just because they have chosen a side and feel they have to justify their position vociferously is just silly.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/744959512239607808
Exciting!
They do hordes of government research and their own British Social Attitudes study. Prof, Curtice associates with them at times.
They usually work face to face, but were pulling together an online panel last year. They use proper random sampling methods. Up to 12 calls to track down respondents.
I actually don't know what algorithms the polling companies used (are they published anywhere?)
Buster Gonads, leave
London Evening Standard online straw poll on the EU Referendum:
67% LEAVE
33% REMAIN
After 64,038 readers had voted.
http://www.inquisitr.com/3224414/hillary-clinton-will-feel-the-bern-as-occupy-dnc-plans-a-march-of-8-10-million-bernie-sanders-supporters-in-philly/
Maybe this isn't a complete list.
What I think you're signing up for are endless battles not to cede powers to the EU. Some battles you'll win, some you'll lose, but the direction of travel will be clear.
Oh, you want to vote in? You think we can't do anything you Quisling?
Of, you want to vote out? Your an economically illiterate racist thug....
Not good.
There will be the government and parliament. And Farage whining inpotently.
The cinematography is stunning.
Oh, it was Russia.. LOL
Electorate of London = 5,216,352, Electorate of Gibraltar = 20,683
Electorate of NI = 1,241,079
Therefore:
Electorate of Scotland, Wales, NI, Gib , London combined = 12,802,614
Electorate of England less London = 33,380,748
Electorate of England less London is nearly three times the size of the rest of the UK electorate combined.
Therefore Even if Everybody in Wales, NI, Scotland London and Gibraltar voted Remain, just a 69-31% out vote in the rest of England would overturn their votes and result in OUT.
Good Luck Remainers.
Are we now at the stage where we can start to look back and ask what has this exercise revealed to us ? My initial thoughts
1.The Tories have a huge split which Cameron and Osborne have made worse.
2. Labour has lost touch with half its supporters
3. Cameron has nothing to offer but managerial fixes
4. Europe hasn't gone away you know
5 The traditional political Left Right axis bears no relation to what voters think, only tribal voting is keeping it a live
6. Farage should make way for someone who can take UKIP forward
REMAIN 94%
LEAVE 2%
DON'T KNOW 4%
Total polled: 596, Will vote 578, Won't vote 18 (Turnout 97%)
Of voters: Remain 540, Leave 12, Don't know 26
That's about 2.5% of the population in the poll.
Just to note that this isn't a standard newspaper voodoo poll, The Chronicle contact a weighted panel and use an established methodology which has got them within a couple of percentage points of both recent elections.
http://chronicle.gi/2016/06/support-for-remain-strengthens-in-gibraltar-poll/
Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Brexit (HBO)
(he's not LEAVE, btw)
Pretty much 100%
And they could very easily elect a nominal Remainer as leader.
By contrast, there is not much primary legislation or legislation which most people would think was important that comes from the EU. The compulsory 4 weeks' holiday is an example, or (to take one that I had something to do with) the ban on painful experiments on animals to test cosmetics.
And it hasn't been on SNL once. Not once
Grumble...
If on 100% turnout London+Gib+RoUK votes 62-38 remain,
Then rest of England needs to vote leave by 56-44 to overturn it.
Thats eminently possible. No wonder Remain are worried once you factor differential turnout etc.in
Must be a hidden message to vote Leave.
/SeanT-mode
What does Roy gain from not playing his strongest team? Like a boxer tying one hand behind his back.
Why not listen to some Carrisimi?
Can I formally appeal to PB for sanctuary in that event? There will be about 50 of us voters on the run and in fear of our lives. We'd be eternally grateful to any PBer who can offer a spare room or some sofa space at short notice. Cheers in advance.
http://www.six-nations-guide.co.uk/2016/italy-v-england.html